2026-04-08-Interview_The_East_Coast_Drone_Missing_Nuke_Mystery.timecode

[00:59.960 --> 01:13.320]  Joining us now is someone who has spent their life during reconnaissance and surveillance.
[01:13.320 --> 01:17.000]  He's now into drones, and I think you're going to find this very interesting.
[01:17.000 --> 01:21.840]  We're going to talk about what happened to the great drone mystery back in the, I guess
[01:21.840 --> 01:25.960]  it was about a year and a half ago, back on the East Coast, as well as what has recently
[01:25.960 --> 01:33.720]  happened with some drones seen of the military bases where War Pete and Rubio live and the
[01:33.720 --> 01:39.040]  threat really that it presents to all of us and how it is completely upending really the
[01:39.040 --> 01:40.920]  military order, I think.
[01:40.920 --> 01:45.720]  So joining us now is John Ferguson, and he's got a couple of different places where you
[01:45.720 --> 01:46.720]  can find him.
[01:46.720 --> 01:51.840]  He's got Saxon Unmanned as his company, and they have saxonunmanned.com.
[01:51.880 --> 01:57.280]  He also has a website about his personal story, johnbferguson.com, which is very fascinating.
[01:57.280 --> 01:59.080]  We'll try to talk a little bit about that as well.
[01:59.080 --> 02:05.240]  And he's also got another business, javajohns.net, just in case you're looking for some coffee.
[02:05.240 --> 02:07.280]  But thank you for joining us, John.
[02:07.280 --> 02:08.280]  Well thank you.
[02:08.280 --> 02:09.280]  It's very nice to be here.
[02:09.280 --> 02:10.280]  Thank you.
[02:10.280 --> 02:12.320]  Let's begin with the great drone mystery.
[02:12.320 --> 02:17.240]  There was a lot of people trying to tie this into UFOs and stuff, and it's like, well,
[02:17.240 --> 02:18.240]  they've got lights on them.
[02:18.240 --> 02:20.560]  You know, let you know which direction they're going.
[02:20.560 --> 02:21.800]  So that might be a tip-off.
[02:21.800 --> 02:23.960]  This is not something from another galaxy.
[02:23.960 --> 02:28.760]  But tell us, you know, when you looked at this investigation, what was your take on
[02:28.760 --> 02:30.360]  all this stuff?
[02:30.360 --> 02:34.200]  Well, you know, again, thank you for having me on.
[02:34.200 --> 02:42.080]  You know, the whole drone thing back in 2024 and 25, you know, I just, I'm a real common
[02:42.080 --> 02:48.080]  sense kind of a guy, and I just got really tired of hearing our, the people that we elected
[02:48.120 --> 02:53.160]  to run this country and elect or run our states were out there saying that they're coming
[02:53.160 --> 02:57.160]  out of the water and they're running in flagships and all this stuff.
[02:57.160 --> 02:59.440]  And we had sheriffs who said, I can't catch them.
[02:59.440 --> 03:02.040]  It's like it's supernatural or something.
[03:02.040 --> 03:06.760]  I just thought, oh my gosh, this country isn't so much trouble if these are the people that
[03:06.760 --> 03:08.160]  are running the country.
[03:08.160 --> 03:17.120]  So I just wanted to give a common sense approach, you know, and really just show America what
[03:18.120 --> 03:21.040]  as a manufacturer, a subject matter expert.
[03:21.040 --> 03:27.960]  And again, I've been I've been in unmanned system technology for for over three decades.
[03:27.960 --> 03:32.440]  Right. So I'm one of the few people in the United States that has not only subsurface
[03:32.440 --> 03:40.000]  subsea, but ocean surface and tactical robot crawler and unmanned aerial aircraft experience.
[03:40.000 --> 03:44.440]  Right. So I'm really kind of a different person than most.
[03:44.480 --> 03:47.360]  So I just wanted to give a common sense approach.
[03:47.360 --> 03:52.440]  The thing is, is that myself and two other gentlemen have been working for quite some
[03:52.440 --> 03:59.560]  time on trying to uncover the fact that some of the old Soviet era nuclear warheads had
[03:59.560 --> 04:02.960]  come up missing. There were 132 of them that came out missing and they were put into the
[04:02.960 --> 04:04.280]  black market.
[04:04.280 --> 04:09.400]  And we the gentleman that I was working with had accidentally been exposed to one of these
[04:09.400 --> 04:12.280]  warheads and became very sick.
[04:12.320 --> 04:16.760]  And so from that point forward, he was tracking these things to try to find out where they
[04:16.760 --> 04:20.760]  were. And so that's when they brought me in.
[04:20.760 --> 04:25.520]  And the information that we had is that they were here and that they were planning on using
[04:25.520 --> 04:28.080]  it as a false flag operation.
[04:28.080 --> 04:34.680]  And so when all of these elected officials were out there saying that they're aliens or
[04:34.680 --> 04:40.400]  little green men or whatever and all this other stuff, I just felt compelled to just say,
[04:40.400 --> 04:44.040]  look, folks, I couldn't say at the time what exactly it was.
[04:44.040 --> 04:48.280]  I just said, look, I do believe that they're not looking for anything nefarious.
[04:48.280 --> 04:49.400]  Don't try to shoot them down.
[04:49.400 --> 04:52.400]  Or I'm sorry, I don't think they're nefarious drones.
[04:52.400 --> 04:54.400]  I don't think they're an absolute nations drones.
[04:54.400 --> 04:56.560]  I think they're looking for something very specific.
[04:56.560 --> 05:02.200]  And I believe that they're looking for the radioactive warhead that we have been working
[05:02.200 --> 05:03.920]  on. We knew it was.
[05:04.840 --> 05:10.720]  And so I had some cease and desist letters from the Biden administration.
[05:10.720 --> 05:13.720]  And of course, I didn't cease and I didn't desist.
[05:13.720 --> 05:19.840]  But we kept going with our investigation and we proved that this is what they're looking
[05:19.840 --> 05:23.080]  for. Right. And they're flying.
[05:23.080 --> 05:30.960]  They're respecting somewhat of our FAA guidelines on unmanned system flight operations.
[05:30.960 --> 05:32.320]  They had lights on.
[05:32.320 --> 05:37.800]  You know, they're they're trying to to somewhat fly within our rules.
[05:37.800 --> 05:40.520]  Right. So I knew that they weren't an adversarial nations.
[05:40.520 --> 05:49.720]  And then what what what administration would allow huge, large aircraft like that fly over
[05:49.720 --> 05:53.760]  our critical infrastructure without permission like this aircraft behind me?
[05:53.760 --> 05:58.840]  It's 14 foot wing aircraft, 150, 200 grand at its base model.
[05:58.840 --> 06:05.120]  You know, could you imagine an adversarial nation flying dozens and dozens of these over
[06:05.120 --> 06:10.760]  our critical infrastructure and our country just going, I don't know.
[06:10.760 --> 06:14.040]  So, you know, it just it didn't make sense to me.
[06:14.040 --> 06:15.400]  So that's why I did that video.
[06:15.400 --> 06:20.240]  And then still to this day, a lot of people had asked me, whatever happened, did they
[06:20.240 --> 06:22.840]  find the nuke? And I was like, well, I don't know.
[06:22.840 --> 06:28.200]  And so we had also recently uncovered that that is still out there and it is still in
[06:28.240 --> 06:29.880]  the hands of the bad guys.
[06:30.280 --> 06:34.840]  And they are planning on using that thing September, October of this year.
[06:35.240 --> 06:41.720]  So we met with the authorities to try to bring this to light and get these folks to
[06:41.880 --> 06:46.360]  investigate this. And every time we brought it to the authorities, we've been shut down.
[06:46.800 --> 06:48.800]  So it's all been dismissed.
[06:48.800 --> 06:52.920]  So we turned over all of the black and white, the emails, the photos, the videos.
[06:53.600 --> 06:58.680]  You know, we there was a Pentagon report that stated that they had thought in the 90s
[06:58.680 --> 07:00.880]  that one of these assets was brought over.
[07:01.440 --> 07:09.000]  So what we did is we proved to where it was processed, who owned it, who sold it, who
[07:09.000 --> 07:13.360]  they sold it to, how they packed it, how they shipped it, how they brought it over here,
[07:13.720 --> 07:16.600]  who received it over here in the United States.
[07:16.920 --> 07:19.480]  And then we lost track of it from there.
[07:19.520 --> 07:21.120]  So, you know, these are facts.
[07:21.120 --> 07:22.640]  It's not conspiracy or anything.
[07:22.640 --> 07:24.120]  And that's where we're at.
[07:24.160 --> 07:25.000]  So who is this?
[07:25.040 --> 07:27.480]  Who are the bad actors that can you say who they are?
[07:28.560 --> 07:34.560]  You know, all of the bad guys that people speculate here in the United States are real.
[07:35.480 --> 07:39.640]  You know, please, I don't want to seem like I'm a politician and dodging a question, but
[07:40.320 --> 07:43.160]  for my own safety, I think I should leave it at that.
[07:43.160 --> 07:46.880]  But all of the bad actors that you know exist there, you're right.
[07:47.040 --> 07:47.560]  They're there.
[07:47.720 --> 07:48.400]  Yeah, yeah.
[07:48.640 --> 07:50.120]  Well, that's one of the things that really concerns me.
[07:50.120 --> 07:56.480]  When you look at Iran, for example, and the drones that they have, you know, who knows
[07:56.480 --> 07:57.640]  how many drones they've got?
[07:57.640 --> 08:01.320]  They were giving drones, selling drones to Russia during the Ukraine War.
[08:01.640 --> 08:04.280]  So they were making more than they thought they actually needed.
[08:04.280 --> 08:07.200]  So I imagine they've got quite a few of them that are there.
[08:07.200 --> 08:09.600]  And it really has changed the face of warfare, hasn't it?
[08:10.240 --> 08:11.520]  It absolutely has.
[08:11.520 --> 08:16.120]  And, you know, the Shaheed drone is, you know, it's an adequate drone.
[08:16.120 --> 08:21.040]  And I try to impress upon people that a drone doesn't have to be this highly
[08:21.040 --> 08:23.400]  technologically advanced piece of equipment.
[08:23.400 --> 08:23.760]  Right.
[08:24.120 --> 08:26.720]  I mean, my gosh, they're building drones out of cardboard.
[08:27.160 --> 08:27.600]  Oh, yeah.
[08:27.600 --> 08:29.000]  And they're working right.
[08:29.040 --> 08:33.240]  You know, they're building them out of balsa wood, which they've been doing for decades.
[08:33.240 --> 08:33.560]  Right.
[08:33.560 --> 08:38.520]  So the only thing a drone has to do is do its job.
[08:38.760 --> 08:41.600]  I know it sounds very basic, but it just has to fly.
[08:41.920 --> 08:49.120]  You know, there's a $500 module in that aircraft, any aircraft, really, a commercial
[08:49.120 --> 08:53.720]  aircraft that that tells the drone exactly what to do, when to do it, how much power
[08:53.720 --> 08:54.920]  to put out to wherever.
[08:55.320 --> 08:58.480]  And you can fly them completely 100% autonomously.
[08:58.520 --> 09:03.240]  You can you can plug in the coordinates and tell it what to do and just let her rip and
[09:03.240 --> 09:07.680]  you can pack up and go home and and it'll just go out there and just do the job.
[09:07.680 --> 09:10.040]  So it doesn't have to be technologically advanced.
[09:10.720 --> 09:13.400]  Again, it just has to carry a payload and do its job.
[09:13.440 --> 09:14.040]  And that's it.
[09:14.200 --> 09:15.680]  It's really been an equalizer, isn't it?
[09:15.680 --> 09:22.480]  It's like the the improvised side roadside bombs that we saw in Iraq, except this is
[09:22.480 --> 09:26.200]  a lot more flexible, a lot more reach that we've seen.
[09:26.400 --> 09:31.200]  Now, the drones that you sell at Saxon, tell us a little bit about your product line.
[09:31.200 --> 09:33.800]  You know, you mentioned the large one behind you.
[09:34.640 --> 09:36.280]  What type of drones do you sell?
[09:36.280 --> 09:37.360]  How big are they?
[09:37.360 --> 09:38.920]  What are they capable of doing?
[09:38.960 --> 09:42.240]  They carry a payload of, you know, how much and so forth?
[09:43.000 --> 09:49.320]  Yeah, you know, the drones that that we build, you know, I I've developed a couple of
[09:49.320 --> 09:53.040]  different technologies that try to help save lives.
[09:53.040 --> 10:00.760]  I've built subsea power pack systems, tactical crawlers, and my drones are are kind of
[10:00.760 --> 10:02.480]  unique in the industry.
[10:02.480 --> 10:06.920]  And the reason why is because I've managed projects overseas for submersible vehicles
[10:07.320 --> 10:13.920]  that have a cost of one point two to one point five million dollars a day cost.
[10:14.520 --> 10:19.640]  And so, you know, I've seen 50 cent parts drop a project for two weeks.
[10:19.680 --> 10:23.040]  So there's one thousand four hundred and forty minutes in the day.
[10:23.040 --> 10:27.800]  And when you have a project that's one point five million dollars in value or in cost
[10:27.800 --> 10:32.480]  per day, you know, every minute has a huge dollar sign attached to it.
[10:33.480 --> 10:39.400]  So I develop my tech, my aircraft to be, you know, modular, robust, you know, very
[10:39.400 --> 10:41.760]  rugged, very dependable.
[10:41.960 --> 10:51.280]  And it's designed to to save lives or to, you know, provide intelligence that, you
[10:51.280 --> 10:57.840]  know, our warfighters wouldn't normally get in the battlefield with a high level of
[10:59.120 --> 10:59.920]  dependability.
[10:59.920 --> 11:00.240]  Right.
[11:00.640 --> 11:02.760]  And of course, you did that when you were in the Marines.
[11:02.760 --> 11:05.840]  You were doing recon and you were doing it in the water yourself.
[11:05.840 --> 11:06.120]  Right.
[11:06.200 --> 11:07.160]  Tell us a little bit about that.
[11:07.840 --> 11:13.600]  Yeah, I want to make sure that I don't over oversell what I did in the Marine Corps
[11:13.600 --> 11:15.680]  because of stolen valor and all that other stuff.
[11:15.680 --> 11:17.680]  But I was a reconnaissance scout swimmer.
[11:17.960 --> 11:21.560]  You know, I wasn't like a Navy SEAL or a force recon guy.
[11:21.560 --> 11:24.440]  You know, I was I was low level reconnaissance scout swimmer guy.
[11:24.440 --> 11:29.080]  So they would drop us off in the water and we would swim in and attack the beach or
[11:29.120 --> 11:34.840]  the pier, do the reconnaissance and and then set in lanes for the boat company, the
[11:34.840 --> 11:37.680]  Raiders to come in and attack the objective.
[11:37.680 --> 11:43.000]  So so, yeah, I've done a lot of reconnaissance type submissions.
[11:43.080 --> 11:48.000]  And and that's really how I developed my company is because I wanted to kind of be
[11:48.080 --> 11:52.520]  back in the Marine Corps, not have to follow orders.
[11:52.840 --> 11:55.200]  Yeah, there was a guy that I worked with at Texas Instruments.
[11:55.240 --> 11:56.320]  I was a little bit older than I was.
[11:56.320 --> 12:00.560]  And I told you this as we were talking off air before the interview began.
[12:01.160 --> 12:02.720]  They would do that to him in Vietnam.
[12:02.720 --> 12:07.920]  They would take him and way out and behind enemy lines and drop him in the jungle.
[12:08.320 --> 12:11.120]  And they'd have to find their way out to come several days.
[12:11.120 --> 12:14.080]  And they're, you know, trying to move at night and sleep during the day.
[12:14.080 --> 12:18.360]  And he'd wake up and there's spiders all over him and enemy patrol just a few feet away.
[12:18.360 --> 12:20.360]  And he said it was a really harrowing experience.
[12:20.720 --> 12:24.040]  And, you know, they would just work their way back and write about what they saw.
[12:24.040 --> 12:27.800]  And he said what was really strange about that was then after you did that, they would
[12:27.960 --> 12:30.160]  fly you to Hawaii for a couple of weeks vacation.
[12:30.160 --> 12:31.640]  Then it was back in the jungle again.
[12:31.640 --> 12:34.880]  It's just like whips on them back and forth, these different experiences.
[12:34.880 --> 12:38.480]  So you were doing stuff kind of like that, I guess, except in the water.
[12:38.480 --> 12:42.960]  And then now, as you pointed out, with the drones, they can do that kind of surveillance
[12:43.320 --> 12:45.080]  without endangering people's lives.
[12:45.080 --> 12:46.840]  So that's a that's an important thing.
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[13:47.040 --> 13:53.480]  But talk a little bit about what you know in terms of the drones we see that are
[13:53.480 --> 14:01.160]  happening in this Mideast war right now that's going on with Iran and the how
[14:01.160 --> 14:05.400]  that has changed the battlefield and the threats that presents to critical
[14:05.400 --> 14:07.080]  infrastructure here in the United States.
[14:07.080 --> 14:11.640]  If probably not something that's difficult for somebody to get across the border
[14:11.640 --> 14:16.440]  with and it's also we have to be concerned about cartels as well as
[14:16.440 --> 14:19.360]  hostile nations attacking our infrastructure, don't we?
[14:20.320 --> 14:20.720]  Yeah.
[14:20.720 --> 14:22.640]  And that's, it's very serious.
[14:22.640 --> 14:24.320]  You brought up a really good point.
[14:24.720 --> 14:29.160]  You know, again, from the beginning of warfare, we've always sent out
[14:29.160 --> 14:30.840]  reconnaissance teams to collect data.
[14:31.280 --> 14:37.000]  And, you know, those folks have always given their lives to try to collect that
[14:37.040 --> 14:37.520]  data.
[14:37.520 --> 14:43.840]  And, you know, you don't need a big drone like this to go collect information on
[14:43.840 --> 14:46.280]  a, on a, on an objective anymore, right?
[14:46.560 --> 14:51.160]  A two or $3,000 drone that you buy at best buyer Amazon will do all of that for you.
[14:51.160 --> 14:54.920]  So, you know, these drones will fly over and they'll take pictures of critical
[14:54.920 --> 14:57.320]  infrastructure or the potential battlefield.
[14:57.720 --> 15:01.800]  And all of those images have geotagged images on them.
[15:01.800 --> 15:06.760]  So you can take all of those images and put them all together in this software.
[15:07.080 --> 15:11.360]  And you can create a map and this map could be accurate down to less than an inch.
[15:11.400 --> 15:11.720]  Right.
[15:11.720 --> 15:19.040]  So every military map you'll ever see or pilot's map will always have, you know,
[15:19.040 --> 15:23.000]  for the most part, they'll always have elevations on them.
[15:23.040 --> 15:25.560]  And that's very important for covering concealment, you know,
[15:25.560 --> 15:26.960]  depressions and et cetera.
[15:27.360 --> 15:32.800]  And so these drones can fly over a target and you can get the digital elevation
[15:32.800 --> 15:35.240]  model that tells you the elevations, right?
[15:35.440 --> 15:40.360]  You can get the altitudes or the height of buildings or the, you know, vehicles,
[15:40.360 --> 15:43.200]  and you can build a 3d map off of these.
[15:43.320 --> 15:48.080]  And so anytime you're going to go and attack an objective that you will need to
[15:48.080 --> 15:51.800]  have that data, cause maybe you want to blow up a building, but you don't know
[15:51.800 --> 15:55.640]  how big of a missile you need to use or whatever, but that information will tell
[15:55.640 --> 16:01.080]  you, okay, that's more information that you'll collect in minutes over what any
[16:01.080 --> 16:03.400]  human being can collect in the same amount of time.
[16:03.440 --> 16:08.160]  So that's very important, especially allowing drones to fly over here
[16:08.360 --> 16:11.720]  domestically, uh, over our critical infrastructure.
[16:12.160 --> 16:15.080]  Now the Ukraine and the Russians have done an amazing job.
[16:15.120 --> 16:18.720]  Not that I agree with that whole war, but the Ukrainians and the Russians have
[16:18.720 --> 16:23.880]  done a fantastic job of revolutionizing the battlefield because you can take a
[16:23.920 --> 16:29.360]  less than a thousand dollar drone and strap a grenade to it or some form of an
[16:29.400 --> 16:32.520]  explosive and you can set that out on its, on its mission.
[16:32.880 --> 16:35.760]  And that can absolutely devastate the battlefield.
[16:35.920 --> 16:40.480]  And so, you know, the Iranian drones, I mean, these things are, they're
[16:40.480 --> 16:46.200]  just adequate drones and they're, they're highly capable and they're, they're
[16:46.200 --> 16:49.160]  terrifying and that's what they're used for.
[16:49.560 --> 16:53.400]  Now the cartels, uh, the Marine Corps had published a few years ago during the
[16:53.400 --> 16:57.480]  Biden administration that the cartels were sending a hundred drones an hour,
[16:57.840 --> 17:03.040]  24 hours a day, seven days a week with a fentanyl, you know, coming into the
[17:03.040 --> 17:07.280]  United States and I spent several years working on the border to combat
[17:07.280 --> 17:10.280]  narco terrorism, human trafficking and child sex trafficking.
[17:10.320 --> 17:14.160]  You know, I just volunteered a lot of my time to do that, but I also work
[17:14.160 --> 17:16.960]  south of the border doing the exact same thing.
[17:17.280 --> 17:20.680]  And so I got a different perspective on the stuff coming into the United
[17:20.680 --> 17:22.920]  States than most people do, right?
[17:23.320 --> 17:30.680]  So with, you know, all of this fentanyl and all these nasty drugs and weapons
[17:30.680 --> 17:34.160]  that the cartels bringing in, you know, they can just do it with drones.
[17:34.240 --> 17:39.280]  And the problem is, is that our counter drone defense is great.
[17:39.360 --> 17:42.840]  There's a lot of great companies out there building it, but it needs to get
[17:42.840 --> 17:46.480]  better and it needs to get better fast because, you know, a lot of these
[17:46.480 --> 17:50.520]  things can slip through the wire, but mostly it's pretty good, but you know,
[17:50.520 --> 17:52.080]  we, we get those incursions.
[17:52.400 --> 17:54.720]  And again, you know, if we're going to be starting wars
[17:54.720 --> 17:57.880]  everywhere with everybody, it's going to be not just drugs coming across,
[17:57.880 --> 18:01.240]  but it's going to be, uh, things like bombs and that, that type of thing
[18:01.240 --> 18:02.440]  that's coming across as well.
[18:02.800 --> 18:06.280]  Um, so the drones that you have, like the large one behind you,
[18:06.320 --> 18:07.480]  what would that be used for?
[18:08.560 --> 18:13.920]  Uh, this is a great platform because it carries 15 to 20 pounds and you know,
[18:13.920 --> 18:19.400]  that 15 to 20 pounds can be a sensor or it could be some form of a munition.
[18:19.400 --> 18:20.520]  Of course we don't do that.
[18:20.640 --> 18:27.360]  Um, got to clarify that, but, um, you know, it flies for 18 plus hours.
[18:27.640 --> 18:31.520]  Not that you would fly a drone for that long, but it's again,
[18:31.520 --> 18:37.440]  it's very highly, uh, reliable, but a drone is really just a platform
[18:37.440 --> 18:42.480]  to give a sensor a ride and give it a good ride, a smooth ride, right?
[18:42.560 --> 18:46.880]  So, uh, again, you can put, we can use this for agriculture.
[18:46.920 --> 18:50.480]  We can use it for construction, uh, asset management.
[18:50.520 --> 18:53.600]  Uh, you can use it for search and rescue.
[18:53.680 --> 18:58.200]  It's largely built for ISR, which is intelligence surveillance reconnaissance.
[18:58.200 --> 19:03.520]  So you can put that little ball turret gamble where there to go gamble in there.
[19:03.520 --> 19:10.160]  You can zoom 30 times, uh, zoom power down to a, uh, a location.
[19:10.160 --> 19:14.880]  So you can really get a, you can get a good sense of what's down there.
[19:14.880 --> 19:19.240]  And if there's, uh, you know, targets of interest or whatever, you can
[19:19.240 --> 19:22.200]  loiter over a battlefield as a loitering munition.
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[20:27.680 --> 20:31.920]  you know, or, you know, find people lost, lost in the mountains, you know?
[20:31.920 --> 20:35.240]  So they're just, there's nothing you can't do with these things.
[20:35.240 --> 20:38.680]  The only things that limit you on drones is your imagination.
[20:38.920 --> 20:39.200]  Wow.
[20:39.600 --> 20:43.520]  Well, in our area, we've got our own personal drone, but I can't fly it
[20:43.520 --> 20:45.040]  because you've got so many hawks around here.
[20:45.040 --> 20:48.280]  I mean, I look at these people saying, how are we going to defend against stuff?
[20:48.280 --> 20:50.600]  It's like, well, if it's really small drones, you just get a bunch
[20:50.600 --> 20:54.880]  of predatory birds, you know, but, uh, uh, they wouldn't do too well
[20:54.880 --> 20:56.240]  against the one that's behind you.
[20:56.240 --> 20:58.200]  But, uh, birds are very intelligent.
[20:58.240 --> 21:03.840]  Uh, I've done work with birds and drones and, uh, their birds are so intelligent.
[21:03.840 --> 21:07.360]  We, you would never realize how intelligent they actually are.
[21:07.640 --> 21:12.800]  You know, there was an interesting, um, novel a few years ago by, uh, Daniel
[21:12.800 --> 21:14.520]  Suarez is called Kill Decision.
[21:14.920 --> 21:17.400]  I don't know if you're familiar with that or not, but, uh, he
[21:17.400 --> 21:18.520]  was really ahead of his time.
[21:18.520 --> 21:19.680]  It's about a decade ago.
[21:20.080 --> 21:23.720]  And in it, he was talking about drones and the use of warfare.
[21:23.720 --> 21:28.640]  And it was a very interesting the way he constructed it because he had a, a
[21:28.640 --> 21:32.840]  confluence of some military industrial types, along with some people who
[21:32.840 --> 21:34.600]  were entomologists in sex, right?
[21:34.960 --> 21:39.640]  And, uh, so they came up with a kind of a, a way to signal with each other,
[21:39.640 --> 21:42.960]  like, you know, mimicking insects that was, uh, that allowed
[21:42.960 --> 21:44.920]  them to do swarms of drones.
[21:45.320 --> 21:47.400]  Uh, where are we in terms of that?
[21:47.400 --> 21:50.560]  Do you think, uh, in terms of drone swarms, that's the thing
[21:50.560 --> 21:51.520]  that is really concerning.
[21:51.520 --> 21:55.440]  And of course, um, you know, when we, um, uh, look at warfare,
[21:55.440 --> 21:57.520]  that, that is a real issue.
[21:57.840 --> 22:02.880]  Uh, what about drones, uh, drone swarms and being able to lock onto a target
[22:02.880 --> 22:07.080]  and kind of have some communication between them in terms of artificial
[22:07.080 --> 22:08.480]  intelligence and that type of thing.
[22:09.560 --> 22:11.960]  Yeah, that's again, that's a great question.
[22:11.960 --> 22:15.120]  You know, this aircraft behind me here, it can swarm, you know,
[22:15.360 --> 22:17.080]  that's just software, right?
[22:17.560 --> 22:20.880]  So, you know, the autopilots will actually, I mean, again, the
[22:20.880 --> 22:25.040]  $500 autopilot will allow you to swarm this type of an aircraft.
[22:25.040 --> 22:27.560]  It's $500, right?
[22:27.920 --> 22:29.920]  So it's, it's very insignificant.
[22:29.960 --> 22:35.200]  Um, a lot of people say that the Shaheed drone is a 30, 40 or $50,000 drone,
[22:35.240 --> 22:39.400]  but I could, I guarantee I could make that drone for less than 20 grand, right?
[22:39.840 --> 22:44.600]  But that drone can swarm, uh, swarm technology is wonderful.
[22:44.600 --> 22:47.480]  And you get to see all kinds of pretty stuff on, you know, Superbowl
[22:47.480 --> 22:49.160]  halftime shows and all that stuff.
[22:49.280 --> 22:51.040]  It's, it's, it's wonderful.
[22:51.440 --> 22:58.360]  Um, there is some technology issues that we have with, um, with swarming drones.
[22:58.360 --> 23:03.080]  And when you have the larger drones, the swarm, yeah, that's a, that's a problem.
[23:03.080 --> 23:06.360]  But is it likely that we're here domestically in the United States,
[23:06.360 --> 23:09.400]  we're going to get hit with big drones like this in a swarm?
[23:09.480 --> 23:15.600]  Um, not really, it's highly unlikely, but a lot of people have seen the videos
[23:15.600 --> 23:19.960]  where you got little bitty small drones that can acquire a target and have an
[23:19.960 --> 23:23.440]  explosive and, you know, take, uh, take personnel out, right.
[23:23.680 --> 23:26.080]  And using AI, it can choose who to take out.
[23:26.720 --> 23:31.600]  There are certain laws of physics that you can't overcome and that you can't,
[23:32.200 --> 23:38.160]  you know, your, your battery life, your power consumption and the power
[23:38.160 --> 23:42.880]  discharge from the battery to keep the thing in the air is really limiting
[23:43.000 --> 23:44.800]  on your amount of flight time.
[23:44.800 --> 23:48.120]  So those little bitty drones, they only will get maybe three
[23:48.120 --> 23:49.440]  to five minutes of flight time.
[23:49.440 --> 23:51.120]  So you can't watch it.
[23:52.120 --> 23:55.800]  Find a target, acquire the target, then prosecute the
[23:55.800 --> 23:57.840]  target in three to five minutes.
[23:57.880 --> 23:59.240]  It's just, it's just not going to work.
[23:59.240 --> 24:03.400]  So I don't think people need to be too concerned about that.
[24:03.400 --> 24:08.040]  At this time, the battery technology is not out there yet, but that's not
[24:08.040 --> 24:13.320]  saying that we should not be concerned about adversarial nations, getting a
[24:13.320 --> 24:16.520]  hold of small drones and utilizing them here in the United States.
[24:16.920 --> 24:20.960]  And of course that video that was done, it was part of a Ted talk thing.
[24:20.960 --> 24:21.920]  I think somebody did work.
[24:22.240 --> 24:26.200]  They were talking about those assassination drones, determining
[24:26.400 --> 24:29.760]  which ones, which people are going to target, you know, and using that
[24:29.760 --> 24:34.080]  against politicians in Congress or something like that, but yeah, that's
[24:34.080 --> 24:35.840]  something that is down the road.
[24:35.840 --> 24:40.600]  It's just incremental increases in technology, I guess, but the other aspect of it.
[24:41.080 --> 24:43.680]  And, you know, we've had a couple of things that have come out in the news
[24:43.680 --> 24:47.520]  recently that had some domestic connections.
[24:47.680 --> 24:54.120]  One of them was the fact there's drones flying over the house of, let's see
[24:54.120 --> 24:58.480]  if I got the clip here, which one of those is at Lance over the military bases here?
[24:58.480 --> 25:03.200]  You got Warpete and Rubio pointing to the drones because they're flying over
[25:03.200 --> 25:06.480]  the military bases where these guys are living, because we had a lot of Trump
[25:06.480 --> 25:12.920]  administration people have now moved on to military bases, and so they had these
[25:12.920 --> 25:15.000]  drones that were spotted over that military base.
[25:15.440 --> 25:16.520]  Talk a little bit about that.
[25:16.720 --> 25:17.560]  What was behind that?
[25:18.560 --> 25:21.280]  Well, you know, a lot of people around the United States are getting wrapped
[25:21.280 --> 25:22.840]  around the axles on this thing.
[25:23.040 --> 25:28.920]  And, and of course it's very ominous to think that an adversarial nation can
[25:30.000 --> 25:36.200]  fly drones over our most critical infrastructure and our, you know,
[25:37.120 --> 25:38.800]  executive leadership in our country.
[25:38.800 --> 25:39.080]  Right.
[25:39.800 --> 25:41.240]  This happens all the time.
[25:41.760 --> 25:48.080]  It's, it's not new to have people who are ill-equipped and ill-informed to fly
[25:48.080 --> 25:52.120]  their aircraft over these bases when they're not allowed to, you know, the
[25:52.120 --> 25:57.200]  Chinese have, of course the administration is working on getting the Chinese spy
[25:57.200 --> 26:03.400]  drones out of here, but they have a software built, a software packet that's
[26:03.920 --> 26:09.480]  integrated into the system where it won't allow you to fly into a no fly zone.
[26:09.480 --> 26:11.920]  And those are clearly marked on the maps.
[26:11.920 --> 26:19.160]  When you plan your route, you can bypass that, but you are electing to bypass
[26:19.160 --> 26:19.480]  that.
[26:19.480 --> 26:23.160]  And if you break the law, then, you know, that's on you.
[26:23.720 --> 26:28.480]  And we also have a, what we call remote ID, what's a little module that is in
[26:28.480 --> 26:33.360]  every aircraft sold here in the United States that shows law enforcement of, you
[26:33.360 --> 26:34.920]  know, who owns the aircraft.
[26:34.920 --> 26:39.040]  And then I believe it shows the location of the pilot's ground station.
[26:39.040 --> 26:45.400]  I'm not sure if that's correct, but, um, you know, these people can fly
[26:45.400 --> 26:47.120]  drones over military bases.
[26:47.120 --> 26:49.040]  And I think it's just people doing stupid stuff.
[26:49.680 --> 26:51.920]  Again, I'll go back to one of my original statements.
[26:51.960 --> 26:56.920]  Do you honestly think that this administration or any other administration
[26:56.920 --> 27:04.080]  would allow this large of a drone to fly over the base without permission?
[27:04.440 --> 27:06.760]  Yeah, cause we just had that situation down in Mar-a-Lago.
[27:06.760 --> 27:10.840]  We had somebody who was sounded like they were kind of out of it, uh, snow
[27:10.840 --> 27:14.640]  fly area there and, uh, they sent up jets to intercept them.
[27:14.640 --> 27:17.320]  And they said, yeah, this guy, we kind of wake him up, you know, basically
[27:17.320 --> 27:18.520]  he's not paying any attention.
[27:18.960 --> 27:22.120]  Well, what was really alarming to me was I saw these comments like just
[27:22.120 --> 27:23.720]  blow them out of the, out of the sky.
[27:23.720 --> 27:25.200]  You know, this guy doesn't deserve to live.
[27:25.200 --> 27:31.920]  And it's like, whoa, let's back up a little bit here, but, uh, but yeah,
[27:31.920 --> 27:35.080]  they're very quick to scramble the jets for things like that.
[27:35.280 --> 27:40.560]  And of course, um, uh, even if it's flying over the homes of, uh, politicians,
[27:40.560 --> 27:43.880]  high level politicians like that, those are going to be pretty hardened targets.
[27:44.200 --> 27:49.080]  Uh, what's not hardened, I think are the utility power plants or things
[27:49.080 --> 27:51.520]  like oil refineries here in this country.
[27:51.880 --> 27:54.120]  Uh, there's so many issues with that.
[27:54.440 --> 27:57.440]  They immediately started talking about, uh, well, we're, we got
[27:57.440 --> 27:59.240]  to worry about our AI data centers.
[27:59.240 --> 28:04.040]  So we're going to have some automatic guns that are, uh, maybe driven by AI
[28:04.040 --> 28:06.040]  that are going to shoot these things down.
[28:06.040 --> 28:09.560]  It's like, well, yeah, they don't ever talk about it for us though.
[28:09.600 --> 28:12.360]  You know, they're worried about our high ranking officials.
[28:12.360 --> 28:14.320]  They're worried about the artificial intelligence.
[28:14.320 --> 28:18.680]  It's going to be used to spy and surveil us, but they're not really worried
[28:18.680 --> 28:20.400]  about whether or not we can turn the lights on.
[28:20.520 --> 28:23.760]  Um, that, that seems to be the common thread with all this stuff.
[28:24.400 --> 28:29.480]  Well, I would challenge you to go back in our 250 year, uh, history and find
[28:29.480 --> 28:32.840]  any administration that gives a damn about the American people, right?
[28:33.600 --> 28:37.880]  Um, but, uh, but you know, you can shoot these drones down.
[28:37.920 --> 28:41.960]  The problem is, is that we trip over our own bureaucracy here in the
[28:41.960 --> 28:45.760]  United States where other countries don't, you know, you can disrupt the
[28:45.880 --> 28:49.200]  frequency with these drones and they have frequency hopping.
[28:49.200 --> 28:54.960]  So typically we use 2.4 or 5.8 or 900, um, you know, frequency
[28:54.960 --> 28:57.280]  here to fly our aircraft.
[28:57.280 --> 28:58.880]  That's pretty common, right?
[28:59.200 --> 29:02.720]  Uh, there there's a lot of other bands, but you know, when you
[29:02.720 --> 29:07.440]  hit a drone with some sort of, uh, frequency disruptor, you know,
[29:07.440 --> 29:11.600]  they can frequency hop and they can switch to a different freak and continue on.
[29:11.600 --> 29:12.800]  So those are difficult.
[29:13.120 --> 29:15.720]  You can shoot them with lasers, you can shoot them with microwave
[29:15.720 --> 29:18.320]  pulses, uh, or you can just shoot them with bullets.
[29:18.360 --> 29:22.800]  The problem is, okay, if you've identified the drone and you're
[29:22.800 --> 29:26.160]  going to make that decision to take that drone down, but what about the family
[29:26.160 --> 29:29.480]  of four that's in the Cessna that's 10,000 feet, you know, just because
[29:29.480 --> 29:35.800]  you shoot some form of a energy weapon or whatever frequency disruption weapon,
[29:35.840 --> 29:39.240]  you know, at the drone, it doesn't stop at the drone, right?
[29:39.240 --> 29:44.400]  So they don't want to drop, uh, a manned aircraft over, you know,
[29:44.400 --> 29:45.680]  because of a drone, right?
[29:46.200 --> 29:50.320]  So what I propose is things that we do on accident.
[29:50.320 --> 29:52.440]  We should be able to do on purpose and that's crash one
[29:52.440 --> 29:53.880]  drone into another, right?
[29:54.480 --> 30:00.280]  So, you know, you, if you can take, uh, an unmanned aircraft, like our
[30:00.280 --> 30:05.680]  smaller ones, and you can fly that into, uh, a drone that needs to be taken down,
[30:05.680 --> 30:10.680]  you have more control and their software that will, you know, select that target.
[30:10.760 --> 30:15.120]  And then you can automatically engage that target using another aircraft that
[30:15.120 --> 30:22.760]  way, it's just going to have a less of a probability of having, um, you know,
[30:22.760 --> 30:25.600]  adverse effects on the civilians, you know, in the area.
[30:25.640 --> 30:29.760]  And that's, that's what I propose, but we have to really shore up our, our
[30:29.760 --> 30:34.520]  defensive posture here in America regarding unmanned systems.
[30:34.880 --> 30:37.960]  Well, you know, there's something that we've had this debate for a long time.
[30:37.960 --> 30:41.800]  It began a long time ago with EMP, you know, electromagnetic pulse, you know,
[30:41.800 --> 30:45.520]  what if somebody flies a new can expose it in the atmosphere, takes out all
[30:45.520 --> 30:51.080]  kinds of electronics and maybe takes out some of these, uh, big, um, unique
[30:51.080 --> 30:55.760]  transformers that have a very long lead time to get them replaced and only made
[30:55.760 --> 30:59.040]  in a couple of places in the world, you know, incredibly expensive, difficult to
[30:59.040 --> 30:59.480]  replace.
[30:59.920 --> 31:03.520]  And so there's some very simple things that could be done to protect against
[31:03.520 --> 31:05.080]  EMP, but they don't do that.
[31:05.520 --> 31:08.280]  So I imagine they're not going to do much to protect the infrastructure
[31:08.320 --> 31:10.080]  against drone attacks either.
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[32:10.560 --> 32:15.280]  And there's so many critical places of critical infrastructure, as we're
[32:15.320 --> 32:20.120]  seeing with this situation with Iran, you know, you've got a refinery.
[32:20.120 --> 32:23.720]  It's very, you don't need much of an explosive to get that thing going.
[32:24.040 --> 32:28.680]  And so when you look at these vulnerable infrastructures, like, you know, power
[32:28.680 --> 32:34.280]  generation, power transformers that are, that can be taken out and cause massive
[32:34.960 --> 32:38.720]  cascading effects, and nobody's really doing anything about that, are they?
[32:39.640 --> 32:40.040]  Yeah.
[32:40.080 --> 32:44.480]  Well, you know, all of the reconnaissance on America is pretty much done.
[32:45.000 --> 32:45.320]  Right.
[32:45.320 --> 32:50.640]  So, you know, the, the company DJI, they build an amazing aircraft.
[32:50.800 --> 32:52.320]  I mean, everybody loves the aircraft.
[32:52.320 --> 32:53.400]  They're, they're easy.
[32:53.400 --> 32:54.440]  They're dependable.
[32:54.840 --> 32:56.560]  You know, they're, they're just good aircraft.
[32:56.920 --> 33:02.360]  But the problem is, is that they got caught spying on, on, well, through their
[33:02.360 --> 33:06.160]  drone, so pretty much every country in the world has had those DJI drones
[33:07.240 --> 33:09.040]  flying everywhere.
[33:09.040 --> 33:14.040]  So all of our, all of that data, you know, goes back, has gone back to, to China.
[33:14.080 --> 33:14.400]  Right.
[33:15.160 --> 33:18.800]  And that's why the Biden and Trump administration was working on getting them
[33:18.800 --> 33:22.120]  kicked out of, of the United States.
[33:22.120 --> 33:26.080]  And, you know, critical infrastructure now, you cannot use those types of, you
[33:26.080 --> 33:29.000]  know, Chinese drones because they were caught collecting our data.
[33:29.520 --> 33:36.960]  So all of our power lines and refineries and, you know, sewer plants and construction
[33:36.960 --> 33:43.560]  sites and hospitals and every single thing you could ever possibly imagine has
[33:43.560 --> 33:45.520]  already been mapped, right.
[33:46.160 --> 33:56.520]  So there's no requirement anymore really to select targets to map because they've
[33:56.520 --> 33:58.800]  mostly all been mapped, right.
[33:59.320 --> 34:03.720]  And so there's nothing that the government can do now about that other
[34:03.720 --> 34:06.280]  than just, you know, stop the spying.
[34:06.880 --> 34:08.480]  They just, there's nothing else you can do.
[34:08.480 --> 34:09.400]  It's all been mapped.
[34:09.400 --> 34:16.960]  So what these drones are do have done is they have really tested our weaknesses
[34:16.960 --> 34:22.600]  here in the United States and the media has done a great job of telling everybody
[34:22.600 --> 34:25.960]  in the world, you know, what our weaknesses are.
[34:25.960 --> 34:29.320]  And that's why I've said a couple of times on this show is that we've got to
[34:29.320 --> 34:35.440]  really beef up our defensive posture here in the United States regarding unmanned
[34:35.440 --> 34:39.800]  aircraft because, you know, almost every nation in the world has suffered some
[34:39.800 --> 34:42.920]  form of an invasion at one point or another, right.
[34:43.000 --> 34:47.840]  Throughout history, you know, I think we're probably past due for another one.
[34:48.200 --> 34:54.480]  And I think I don't want to, I don't want to strike fear into Americans, but I do
[34:54.480 --> 34:59.200]  want Americans to understand that this war that we're fighting, this environment
[34:59.200 --> 35:04.560]  that we're in, the technology that is being utilized and couple that with AI
[35:05.000 --> 35:14.880]  that I do believe that we are going to really get hit with, with drones as some
[35:14.880 --> 35:17.960]  form of a drone attack very soon.
[35:18.120 --> 35:19.120]  I don't know when you think.
[35:19.120 --> 35:19.480]  I agree.
[35:19.520 --> 35:19.840]  Yeah.
[35:20.200 --> 35:23.280]  And when you look at it, you talk about how everything is already mapped out.
[35:23.280 --> 35:27.280]  A good example of that, I think, is the fact that we have these very sophisticated
[35:27.280 --> 35:30.840]  systems in the Gulf States that were there.
[35:30.920 --> 35:35.160]  And some of the very first ones that got taken out, there was a, I believe it was
[35:35.160 --> 35:42.160]  a billion dollar radar facility that was kind of the nerve center, the eyes and
[35:42.160 --> 35:45.600]  ears of these anti-ballistic missile systems.
[35:45.600 --> 35:47.640]  And that was one of the first things that they targeted.
[35:47.640 --> 35:50.120]  They knew that we operate in an environment.
[35:50.120 --> 35:53.080]  Now, as you point out, everybody knows everything about everybody.
[35:53.080 --> 35:57.080]  All the stuff is exposed and they know where the targets are.
[35:57.080 --> 35:58.920]  And it's not that difficult.
[35:59.160 --> 36:04.600]  As you were pointing out, you got some, you can get some very inexpensive devices
[36:04.600 --> 36:08.480]  to drive the drone and you've already got it mapped out as to where it is.
[36:08.480 --> 36:12.960]  And that's what they did at the opening rounds of the retaliation strikes from Iran.
[36:13.360 --> 36:17.760]  They went right after a lot of very high value targets and radar
[36:17.760 --> 36:19.080]  targets and things like that.
[36:19.080 --> 36:21.080]  And so that's something that's very different.
[36:21.080 --> 36:24.880]  And as you point out, you know, we in America, we've gone through a couple of
[36:24.880 --> 36:27.640]  world wars without anything happening on our soil.
[36:27.680 --> 36:32.520]  So we think, well, we're we don't have anything to worry about, but now there's
[36:32.520 --> 36:37.440]  this asymmetry to the warfare that I think is really going to bite us, I think.
[36:38.160 --> 36:38.440]  Yeah.
[36:38.440 --> 36:43.760]  Well, you know, there's, there's some information that was just quietly
[36:43.760 --> 36:51.200]  released about Iran taking delivery of over 500, what do they call that?
[36:52.200 --> 37:00.040]  So, my gosh, uh, starts with an S season missile or whatever, uh, they just took
[37:00.040 --> 37:06.560]  over from China, uh, from North Korea of North Korea, and these are a hypersonic
[37:06.560 --> 37:13.160]  type missile that you can't, you can't really shoot down and they have taken
[37:13.160 --> 37:15.840]  over 500 of these, right?
[37:15.840 --> 37:19.760]  They've taken delivery of all of these and, and there's, and they can reach,
[37:19.920 --> 37:23.440]  you know, here in the United States and most definitely Israel, right?
[37:24.120 --> 37:30.080]  So, uh, you know, this, this whole conflict with Iran, um, you know,
[37:30.600 --> 37:36.200]  guy hope and pray that this will be, you know, this will be ending very, very,
[37:36.200 --> 37:43.120]  very soon, but we, we do have a very high probability of this thing, you
[37:43.120 --> 37:45.040]  know, escalating out of control.
[37:45.120 --> 37:47.400]  It looks like it's already doing that in terms of reports on
[37:47.400 --> 37:48.720]  Karg Island getting hit.
[37:48.720 --> 37:48.960]  Yeah.
[37:49.000 --> 37:51.280]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[37:51.480 --> 37:58.120]  So one of the things that I really just absolutely despise is, uh, you know, on
[37:58.120 --> 38:04.480]  the mainstream media and, and a lot of shows, you know, you have these old
[38:04.480 --> 38:09.080]  generals and old retired senators and, you know, people of authority who are
[38:09.080 --> 38:14.960]  very respectable people, uh, but they're, they're going out on the, the news and
[38:14.960 --> 38:17.480]  they're saying, well, the Trump's administration is going to do this and
[38:17.480 --> 38:19.640]  this is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen.
[38:20.200 --> 38:23.080]  I was never a high level, you know, person in the military.
[38:23.080 --> 38:27.000]  I mean, I, I, I was mischievous and I always got in trouble.
[38:27.000 --> 38:30.040]  So, you know, I bounced off the rank structure like a yo-yo.
[38:30.040 --> 38:32.480]  So, but, but I was a good Marine, right?
[38:32.520 --> 38:38.120]  But again, I just closed my ears when I hear all this stuff, because nobody
[38:38.120 --> 38:42.840]  knows the decisions that are being made inside the administration, right?
[38:43.560 --> 38:47.120]  I get that it's a lot of fun to talk about it and speculate, but for these
[38:47.120 --> 38:50.200]  people that go up and just say, well, we're going to do this and this and this.
[38:51.240 --> 38:58.320]  You know, I just, yeah, I just, I can't listen to it because nobody really knows.
[38:59.000 --> 39:04.400]  But if we're speculating, you know, this truly does with all of the things that
[39:04.400 --> 39:08.320]  are happening and there's a lot of things that we don't know that's happening
[39:08.440 --> 39:13.760]  behind closed doors, especially in Iran, that I, I, I do speculate that this
[39:13.760 --> 39:16.360]  could get very messy unless I'm hoping.
[39:16.360 --> 39:18.240]  What is it tonight at eight o'clock?
[39:18.520 --> 39:19.600]  Yeah, that's right.
[39:19.600 --> 39:19.760]  Yeah.
[39:19.760 --> 39:21.080]  We're recording this on Tuesday.
[39:21.080 --> 39:24.840]  And so, uh, yeah, Tuesday night, but of course, earlier this morning, uh,
[39:24.840 --> 39:26.400]  they already attacked Karg Island.
[39:26.400 --> 39:29.480]  So, I mean, he's kicking stuff off and escalating.
[39:30.480 --> 39:33.120]  Yeah, I'm anticipating that they're not going to have an
[39:33.120 --> 39:34.520]  agreement by eight o'clock tonight.
[39:35.760 --> 39:36.200]  That's right.
[39:36.760 --> 39:37.080]  Yeah.
[39:37.080 --> 39:38.320]  That's what I'm concerned about.
[39:38.360 --> 39:43.320]  And, um, and again, the other thing that is concerning is that as you watch
[39:43.320 --> 39:46.840]  government officials, and I know maybe part of it is they're trying to project
[39:46.840 --> 39:51.520]  confidence or whatever, but what comes across is kind of a detached hubris
[39:51.960 --> 39:53.680]  that thinks that we can't be touched.
[39:54.040 --> 39:58.560]  And, and that really is disturbing because that is a, an invitation for
[39:58.560 --> 40:02.120]  disaster, I think, whether we're talking about, you know, civil defense.
[40:02.120 --> 40:04.640]  And of course you point out the American government doesn't do
[40:04.640 --> 40:05.640]  anything about civil defense.
[40:05.640 --> 40:09.440]  So it's a great book about that a few years ago, uh, called Raven rock, the
[40:09.440 --> 40:12.080]  plan to save themselves and let the rest of us die.
[40:13.320 --> 40:16.440]  I don't know about how there was no civil defense plan ever really during
[40:16.440 --> 40:19.080]  the, uh, during the cold war for people.
[40:19.080 --> 40:21.760]  And of course, I don't really think there is now at this point either.
[40:21.760 --> 40:26.960]  You see other countries like Germany, uh, as they're trying to escalate the war.
[40:26.960 --> 40:31.160]  And it seems to me like Germany and France and these different European
[40:31.160 --> 40:33.640]  countries, uh, want to escalate the war.
[40:33.640 --> 40:38.560]  And so, but they are, uh, at least doing civil defense drills and drills about
[40:38.560 --> 40:43.080]  how to do mass evacuations and things like that, not in the American, uh,
[40:43.160 --> 40:44.720]  government, they're not going to do anything like that.
[40:45.720 --> 40:49.840]  Well, you know, we discussed at the beginning of this show that there are at
[40:49.840 --> 40:55.600]  least one, maybe two, uh, nuclear warheads here in the United States act.
[40:56.080 --> 40:56.600]  Okay.
[40:56.680 --> 40:57.240]  Fact.
[40:57.640 --> 41:03.320]  So we also have enough fentanyl or car fentanyl in the United States to kill
[41:03.320 --> 41:08.360]  every man, woman, and child on the planet, 10 times over, and you've got to
[41:08.360 --> 41:09.720]  let that sink in, right?
[41:10.160 --> 41:12.760]  And I always said that it was just in the United States.
[41:12.760 --> 41:15.480]  There's enough fentanyl in the United States to kill every man, woman, and
[41:15.480 --> 41:17.120]  child in the United States, 10 times over.
[41:17.120 --> 41:21.080]  Well, the news, the mainstream media had done like a really quick blurb on that
[41:21.080 --> 41:23.600]  and said, it's enough in the whole world.
[41:23.640 --> 41:24.080]  Right.
[41:24.440 --> 41:30.560]  So, you know, the, we also let over 30 million people into this country in the
[41:30.560 --> 41:34.200]  Biden administration, and there were some that were bad, right?
[41:35.200 --> 41:41.320]  So to say that we can't be touched is not something that I would get on board
[41:41.320 --> 41:46.160]  with because everything that we need to be touched is already here.
[41:46.240 --> 41:50.280]  And, you know, we found, uh, during the border work that I've done, we found
[41:50.280 --> 41:55.360]  that, um, China was bringing shipping containers in through the cartels with,
[41:55.880 --> 41:59.040]  you know, millions of rounds of ammunition and small arms.
[41:59.320 --> 42:04.360]  And, uh, the Iranian truck drivers were distributing those containers
[42:04.360 --> 42:05.680]  all around the United States.
[42:06.080 --> 42:10.680]  So, you know, again, fact, not conspiracy or speculation or anything
[42:10.680 --> 42:12.520]  like, like I did the work, right?
[42:12.560 --> 42:22.040]  So, um, so everything that they need to do some form of nefarious assault
[42:22.080 --> 42:24.000]  on this country is already here.
[42:24.560 --> 42:29.720]  So are they going to, you know, pull up a container ship and launch a bunch
[42:29.720 --> 42:31.320]  of drones out of a container ship?
[42:31.760 --> 42:38.800]  You know, a hundred percent intent, zero percent probability, you know, as we
[42:38.800 --> 42:42.720]  have those big gray things off the coast, uh, the Navy that won't
[42:42.720 --> 42:43.760]  let that happen, right?
[42:43.760 --> 42:45.760]  So, yeah.
[42:46.160 --> 42:51.040]  Well, just so many different, I mean, we saw in, um, so attacks, I forget
[42:51.040 --> 42:53.640]  it was a Ukrainian, I think it was Ukrainians doing it to the Russians
[42:53.640 --> 42:58.520]  when they destroyed so many of those, uh, very high value planes on the ground.
[42:58.920 --> 43:04.120]  Uh, the way they did that was they had some, uh, uh, semi trailers that, uh,
[43:04.120 --> 43:06.160]  had like a false, uh, ceiling in it.
[43:06.160 --> 43:06.480]  Right.
[43:06.840 --> 43:09.720]  And, uh, they opened that up and these things, you know, they parked them
[43:09.720 --> 43:13.880]  not too far away from the airport and then fly all those drones in that were
[43:13.880 --> 43:16.720]  hidden and concealed in the, um, 18 wheelers.
[43:17.000 --> 43:19.840]  So there's a lot of different ways that you can do things like that.
[43:19.840 --> 43:20.120]  Right.
[43:20.760 --> 43:22.800]  You think the Ukrainians did that by themselves?
[43:25.000 --> 43:25.560]  Yeah, that's right.
[43:25.560 --> 43:27.040]  They're really resourceful, aren't they?
[43:27.920 --> 43:28.760]  I'm curious.
[43:31.600 --> 43:33.360]  There's a lot to read between the lines there.
[43:33.480 --> 43:33.920]  Yeah.
[43:34.000 --> 43:34.280]  Yeah.
[43:34.320 --> 43:35.840]  There is, uh, there is, isn't there.
[43:36.200 --> 43:41.040]  Well, again, things have changed so much and we don't really, uh, really understand
[43:41.040 --> 43:44.200]  it and I thought it was interesting when you're talking about how a little tiny
[43:44.200 --> 43:49.440]  part can completely scuttle, uh, the whole mission if it's substandard, we
[43:49.440 --> 43:52.960]  certainly have seen that with the, uh, aircraft carrier, haven't we?
[43:52.960 --> 43:55.360]  The, uh, uh, the Gerald Ford class.
[43:55.360 --> 43:56.960]  So they had the toilet issue.
[43:58.240 --> 43:58.480]  Yeah.
[43:58.480 --> 44:02.120]  So I guess they had not an Achilles heel, but they had an Achilles something
[44:02.120 --> 44:03.160]  though, or the other, right.
[44:03.160 --> 44:04.520]  That caused a problem.
[44:05.440 --> 44:09.120]  And now we've got the same situation with the, uh, the spacecraft, the
[44:09.120 --> 44:13.160]  Artemis, they were saying their toilets aren't working, so, uh, we are looking
[44:13.160 --> 44:18.200]  at an S H T F, uh, kind of scenario with so many different areas and it seems to
[44:18.200 --> 44:22.880]  be always the really complicated, sophisticated systems that they build
[44:22.880 --> 44:27.320]  that seem to be taken down by the very, very simple, uh, bug that's in it
[44:27.320 --> 44:28.040]  somewhere, right?
[44:28.360 --> 44:28.600]  Yeah.
[44:28.640 --> 44:35.040]  You know, I, I was managing a project, um, over in West Africa, um, and our
[44:35.040 --> 44:40.120]  cost, I think our cost was like $1.2 million a day, and, uh, there's these
[44:40.120 --> 44:42.200]  little fuses called Pico fuses.
[44:42.840 --> 44:48.200]  Uh, we had, uh, we had some Pico fuses go out in one of our subs and, uh, and
[44:48.200 --> 44:50.760]  that dropped the whole entire project for about two weeks.
[44:50.760 --> 44:57.760]  So if you can imagine 50 cent part dropping a $1.2 million project and,
[44:57.760 --> 45:00.640]  uh, boy, I'll tell you what, some heads rolled over that one.
[45:01.400 --> 45:01.720]  Yeah.
[45:01.720 --> 45:02.040]  Wow.
[45:02.520 --> 45:04.160]  Well, it certainly is interesting talking to you.
[45:04.440 --> 45:06.480]  Tell us a little bit about your personal story.
[45:06.560 --> 45:08.960]  Uh, you've got a website, johnbferguson.com.
[45:08.960 --> 45:09.560]  What's that about?
[45:10.360 --> 45:12.040]  Yeah, that should be going live.
[45:12.080 --> 45:17.000]  Uh, I hope here in the next couple of hours, but, uh, you know, I have
[45:17.000 --> 45:21.600]  somewhat of an interesting story and I can, it came from Kansas and, um, I,
[45:21.680 --> 45:27.600]  I had a lot of, oh, oh, sorry.
[45:27.600 --> 45:31.160]  My, let me get out of here.
[45:31.160 --> 45:33.840]  Uh, so sorry about that.
[45:33.880 --> 45:34.360]  That's all right.
[45:34.720 --> 45:38.800]  So kind of like Dorothy, you got swept up into the air with the, uh, not a
[45:38.800 --> 45:40.000]  tornado, but a drone, right?
[45:40.640 --> 45:41.000]  Yeah.
[45:41.000 --> 45:46.720]  Well, you know, I, coming from a small town in Kansas, um, you know, I had lived
[45:46.720 --> 45:51.280]  under a stepfather that was very abusive and, and actually he had tortured me.
[45:51.840 --> 45:56.680]  And, um, and, you know, I suffered through many years of that.
[45:56.840 --> 46:02.640]  And, uh, it's interesting, but I have this story about all of this abuse, you
[46:02.640 --> 46:07.520]  know, growing up and, and, you know, my father rescuing me and, and, uh, and
[46:07.520 --> 46:09.200]  that had affected me considerably.
[46:09.200 --> 46:12.640]  And, and still, you know, even still to this day, you know, you suffer
[46:12.640 --> 46:14.560]  those, uh, you know, those effects.
[46:14.560 --> 46:14.920]  Right.
[46:15.680 --> 46:20.160]  So one of the things that, you know, how old were you when that was happening?
[46:20.240 --> 46:23.440]  Uh, third grade, third grade divorce happened.
[46:23.960 --> 46:28.680]  And, uh, in my fourth grade year, uh, I was an angry child because I was
[46:28.680 --> 46:32.560]  retaliating against this divorce and I, a kid was picking on me, so I broke his
[46:32.560 --> 46:37.720]  nose and so they took a box and they put it in the auditorium and they put the
[46:37.720 --> 46:44.520]  desk in the box and for the whole entire year, I had to stay at that desk in that
[46:44.520 --> 46:49.600]  box in the auditorium and not, you know, communicate with other people and they
[46:49.600 --> 46:55.320]  would funnel all of the children in during the lunch hour next to the box.
[46:55.320 --> 47:00.000]  And they would all ridicule me, you know, for they did this for the entire year.
[47:00.360 --> 47:03.440]  Uh, cause you know, when they were going to have lunch in the auditorium, right.
[47:03.520 --> 47:09.640]  And so I missed out on my fourth grade year and I always was, you know, left
[47:09.640 --> 47:11.760]  behind, uh, left behind academically.
[47:11.760 --> 47:12.080]  Right.
[47:12.520 --> 47:16.280]  And then, you know, coming home, uh, you know, every night to being
[47:16.280 --> 47:22.880]  tortured by my stepfather was, uh, you know, it was a, it was a really ungodly,
[47:23.080 --> 47:27.960]  uh, situation for me and I can't believe I actually survived the whole thing.
[47:28.440 --> 47:36.000]  But, um, but then, you know, I was always kind of not really taken serious.
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[48:36.920 --> 48:42.240]  And so when I got into my high school years, I had retaliated and, uh, I
[48:42.240 --> 48:46.080]  joined the Marine Corps and the Marine Corps whipped me into shape and taught
[48:46.080 --> 48:51.080]  me how to set goals and so I came from, you know, this, uh, this, you know,
[48:51.080 --> 48:56.840]  tortured young child and who shouldn't have ever survived all the way through
[48:56.840 --> 48:58.680]  high school and into the Marine Corps.
[48:58.680 --> 49:02.680]  And then became a deep sea diver and a piloting submersible vehicles.
[49:02.680 --> 49:07.040]  And, and now, you know, I get to meet with presidents and kings and queens
[49:07.040 --> 49:08.680]  and sovereign councils.
[49:08.720 --> 49:15.000]  And, um, you know, I've, I've, I've tried to achieve and I try to do this and be
[49:15.000 --> 49:19.920]  very humble, uh, you know, and not narcissistic because I, those are big
[49:19.920 --> 49:25.000]  keywords for me, but now I've traveled to 87 countries around the world and I've
[49:25.000 --> 49:29.880]  got to go meet some of the most amazing people in the world and I've been asked
[49:29.920 --> 49:38.240]  to take my story and get in front of those who, who may need to hear the story
[49:38.400 --> 49:44.480]  of my survival, but not only my survival, but my ability is to achieve goals
[49:45.000 --> 49:46.880]  and really try to become somebody.
[49:46.880 --> 49:51.160]  And, and here in the state of Kansas, uh, you know, God willing, I, you know,
[49:51.160 --> 49:57.200]  probably run for office here, uh, Burundi and South Sudan have, uh, uh, you know,
[49:57.200 --> 50:01.720]  ask if I could be an ambassador, the U S ambassador to their, to their countries,
[50:01.720 --> 50:07.840]  which certainly is a possibility, but, um, I want to make sure that it's not
[50:07.840 --> 50:13.280]  about me, but it's about the survival and it's about the willingness to, to
[50:13.280 --> 50:20.080]  really focus and try to achieve and try to get out of that nasty situation.
[50:20.080 --> 50:22.480]  So, yeah, that, that truly is amazing.
[50:22.840 --> 50:25.520]  That, that story about what happened during the fourth grade is amazing.
[50:25.520 --> 50:29.800]  My wife was a elementary school teacher and they had a open classroom situation.
[50:29.800 --> 50:33.440]  So she could hear, couldn't avoid hearing what was going on the next room.
[50:33.480 --> 50:36.800]  And there was a very abusive teacher and the adjacent room.
[50:37.200 --> 50:41.480]  And there was this little kid who, um, she just picked on him and it would
[50:41.480 --> 50:44.400]  make him stand in the trash can said, you're nothing but a piece of trash.
[50:44.560 --> 50:46.400]  What happened to you is way beyond that.
[50:46.640 --> 50:48.880]  I mean, she saw that and she said, she went to the principal and she
[50:48.880 --> 50:50.760]  said, you've got to do something about this.
[50:50.760 --> 50:51.480]  You're going to stop her.
[50:51.480 --> 50:55.080]  And he goes, I know she's very abusive, but there's nothing we can do about it.
[50:55.080 --> 50:55.920]  She's got tenure.
[50:56.360 --> 50:58.600]  And so Karen got out of it.
[50:59.160 --> 50:59.600]  What's that?
[51:00.320 --> 51:00.640]  Yeah.
[51:01.000 --> 51:04.560]  My stepdad, you know, he would put aluminum foil over the vents in my room,
[51:04.560 --> 51:05.840]  which was the size of a closet.
[51:06.360 --> 51:12.680]  And during the summers, I couldn't get any air in my, my sheets were sticking
[51:12.680 --> 51:16.040]  to my back because I had sweat and I'd stick my face out through the screen.
[51:16.080 --> 51:17.160]  Just try to get air.
[51:17.160 --> 51:20.280]  And I'd chew ice all night just to lower my core temperature down.
[51:20.280 --> 51:25.520]  And I, and the same during this, the, the winter, but, uh, I was always
[51:25.520 --> 51:29.920]  kicked out of the house during the, the, the day, so I was never allowed to come
[51:29.920 --> 51:34.680]  back in, they would lock the refrigerator so I couldn't get food, you know, I mean,
[51:34.680 --> 51:40.000]  all, I was whipped with a graphite fishing rod and the hook had hooked
[51:40.000 --> 51:42.320]  into my leg and ripped my leg out.
[51:42.320 --> 51:49.320]  And I mean, just all of this, just horrible stuff that, uh, um, but I think
[51:49.320 --> 51:51.680]  it made me the person that I am today.
[51:51.680 --> 51:55.080]  And that's not necessarily like a good thing, right.
[51:55.800 --> 51:59.640]  But, but it's given me the strength with the Marine Corps has given me the
[51:59.640 --> 52:04.680]  strength to fight through it and not become a serial killer or the Marines
[52:04.680 --> 52:07.440]  ought to, the Marines ought to fund a pile biopic for you.
[52:07.440 --> 52:09.160]  You know, I don't know.
[52:09.240 --> 52:09.680]  I don't know.
[52:09.680 --> 52:13.720]  But the big thing is that, uh, you know, I never really ever thought that I would
[52:13.720 --> 52:17.880]  stand on a stage and talk to people about my story, but, uh, you know, I've
[52:17.880 --> 52:22.360]  been asked to do that by the Mexicans, um, you know, come up and talk about what
[52:22.360 --> 52:26.440]  they're fighting down south and the border and, you know, this story.
[52:26.440 --> 52:31.920]  And, you know, I've, I've, um, I've been in a situation, I was smuggled into
[52:31.920 --> 52:38.840]  China because I was dying, um, uh, I've, I've flatlined, I've crossed over twice.
[52:39.480 --> 52:43.920]  Um, and so I'm writing this book called nine lives and counting, because of all
[52:43.920 --> 52:48.000]  of the different countries I've been to, I've been in situations where I've stood
[52:48.000 --> 52:52.840]  at the, uh, the edge of death and, and I've, I've tripped over that line a couple
[52:52.840 --> 52:57.560]  of times and just recently, uh, I just came back from, uh, an African nation,
[52:57.560 --> 53:01.280]  trying to help stop some genocide over in an African nation that I won't mention.
[53:01.920 --> 53:05.200]  And, uh, I got dysentery and almost didn't make it there either.
[53:05.240 --> 53:06.720]  So this was just a couple of months ago.
[53:07.560 --> 53:09.760]  It's a hell of a diet program for me though.
[53:10.320 --> 53:11.320]  I lost 30 pounds.
[53:12.920 --> 53:13.760]  That's one way to do it.
[53:13.760 --> 53:14.120]  Isn't it?
[53:14.120 --> 53:17.080]  But, uh, you said you, uh, flatlined a couple of times and crossed over.
[53:17.080 --> 53:18.440]  You have a near death experience.
[53:18.440 --> 53:19.280]  You want to talk about that?
[53:19.680 --> 53:19.920]  Yeah.
[53:19.920 --> 53:20.160]  Yeah.
[53:20.160 --> 53:21.400]  A few times, a few times.
[53:21.920 --> 53:25.640]  And that's why the book is called nine lives and counting, because, uh, I've
[53:25.640 --> 53:30.720]  been in those situations where I've, I've crossed over into, um, you know, I've
[53:30.720 --> 53:37.360]  crossed, I've stepped over that line several times and, um, and you know, I,
[53:37.360 --> 53:41.560]  I've left my body, I turn around and I looked, I saw my body laying there.
[53:41.560 --> 53:46.360]  And I just remember this, um, is crystal clear as it, as if it just happened
[53:46.360 --> 53:52.480]  15 minutes ago and, um, you know, I just said the Lord's prayer and, and I just
[53:52.480 --> 53:53.840]  said, Lord, please not here.
[53:53.840 --> 53:54.480]  Not now.
[53:54.560 --> 53:58.840]  And, uh, you know, I, I have a family.
[53:58.840 --> 53:59.920]  I can't leave.
[54:00.200 --> 54:01.120]  I can't leave.
[54:01.120 --> 54:02.000]  Not here.
[54:02.040 --> 54:03.120]  No, not in China.
[54:04.360 --> 54:11.880]  And, uh, um, and, and I clearly, I survived and, um, a lot of people said,
[54:11.880 --> 54:13.160]  well, did you see the white light?
[54:13.160 --> 54:15.520]  And I said, no, but I smelled a lot of sulfur.
[54:17.360 --> 54:17.840]  That's it.
[54:17.840 --> 54:18.520]  That's a, that's a joke.
[54:18.520 --> 54:24.560]  That's a joke, but it was a, it was a very wonderful feeling to, um, you know,
[54:24.560 --> 54:25.480]  it was kind of like, you had it.
[54:26.000 --> 54:28.000]  It's kind of like you were laying there and somebody were stacking
[54:28.000 --> 54:31.360]  rocks on your chest and you were being crushed.
[54:31.400 --> 54:34.360]  And then all of a sudden somebody just started lifting those rocks off of you,
[54:34.880 --> 54:41.200]  you know, but I knew that, that God had, um, I knew he had other plans for me,
[54:41.760 --> 54:45.520]  you know, so, yeah, there's an interesting, uh, interesting book by a
[54:45.680 --> 54:49.480]  pastor in Austin and he said, uh, he thinks this is something, you know,
[54:49.480 --> 54:51.160]  the medical equipment that we've got now.
[54:51.160 --> 54:55.960]  He said, he thinks that is something that is really, he sees it as, uh, an
[54:55.960 --> 54:59.640]  evangelism opportunity because he said, uh, even though you got a lot of people
[54:59.680 --> 55:02.960]  interpret it differently, he said, if you look at what they're saying, there,
[55:02.960 --> 55:06.960]  there's, uh, some amazing experiences that some people had and some people
[55:06.960 --> 55:11.400]  who are different religion, they weren't projecting, uh, what they came across.
[55:11.400 --> 55:14.040]  They weren't projecting that from what they expected, for example.
[55:14.440 --> 55:17.440]  And he said, if you, if you look at it, the common experiences that are there,
[55:17.440 --> 55:19.120]  he said, they really line up with the Bible.
[55:19.520 --> 55:23.760]  And so he sees it as an evangelical tool, you know, to talk to people.
[55:23.760 --> 55:28.520]  Of course, you know, that's, it's not sufficient, but, um, um, it is
[55:28.520 --> 55:31.400]  interesting and it is something that we're seeing happening more and more, I
[55:31.400 --> 55:35.800]  guess, because of the ability to revive people, the medical technology that
[55:35.800 --> 55:37.480]  we've got that we used to not have.
[55:38.480 --> 55:45.480]  Yeah, you know, um, I never made it to the point to where I saw family members
[55:45.480 --> 55:51.320]  or I saw God or I saw Jesus or, you know, anything like that, you know, I, you
[55:51.320 --> 55:59.360]  know, what, everything that I experienced was what I felt and, you know, I felt a,
[55:59.680 --> 56:04.480]  a huge presence, you know, I knew, and it gives me shivers just talking about it
[56:04.480 --> 56:13.000]  now, but, but, you know, I know that, uh, that there's a God, you know, and, uh,
[56:13.880 --> 56:16.280]  I don't have to worry about that.
[56:16.320 --> 56:17.880]  I know what I know.
[56:17.880 --> 56:23.880]  And, you know, people can listen to, listen to my story and they can
[56:23.880 --> 56:25.480]  choose to believe me or not.
[56:25.480 --> 56:31.440]  And that's okay because I know in my heart and my mind that there is something
[56:31.440 --> 56:34.080]  so much larger out there and it's, and it's peaceful.
[56:34.280 --> 56:40.600]  It's, it's not, it's not anything other than just warmth, love, and peace.
[56:40.640 --> 56:42.960]  And that's all I, that's all I know about it.
[56:43.160 --> 56:51.520]  And I know, and I have this, this feeling in my mind that, that I'm meant to do
[56:51.520 --> 56:56.040]  something, you know, here in this life, maybe I've already done it.
[56:56.320 --> 56:57.520]  Maybe I haven't done it yet.
[56:57.560 --> 56:58.760]  Maybe I'm doing it now.
[56:59.000 --> 57:04.520]  I don't know, but, uh, you know, when I, when I ultimately decided to check out,
[57:05.040 --> 57:09.040]  uh, I will, I will know if I've accomplished cause I'm sure he'll let me know.
[57:10.200 --> 57:12.640]  I'm sure he'll let me know if I've accomplished the mission.
[57:13.960 --> 57:14.440]  That's right.
[57:14.720 --> 57:18.280]  Well, it certainly is interesting to talk to you and, uh, drones are one of those
[57:18.280 --> 57:21.560]  things that are really exploding in terms of their influence on our lives.
[57:21.560 --> 57:23.400]  And I hope it's going to be a positive one.
[57:23.680 --> 57:26.680]  Uh, of course, you know, we already have a lot of the, uh, one of the things
[57:26.680 --> 57:28.040]  that I find really fascinating.
[57:28.320 --> 57:29.840]  Do you see a lot of YouTube videos?
[57:29.840 --> 57:33.840]  And of course people flying over volcanoes are going really fast with,
[57:33.840 --> 57:37.560]  uh, the, the really super fast drones that they can fly through obstacles
[57:37.560 --> 57:38.200]  and stuff like that.
[57:38.480 --> 57:42.080]  So it can make some very interesting video that's there, but, uh, it is
[57:42.080 --> 57:48.160]  something that has completely changed the calculus for, uh, for war and, uh,
[57:48.200 --> 57:49.360]  and also for terrorism.
[57:49.360 --> 57:51.080]  And it's something we should really pay attention to.
[57:51.440 --> 57:54.120]  Thank you so much for joining us again, John Ferguson.
[57:54.440 --> 57:58.240]  Um, uh, before we go, tell us briefly a little bit about, uh, the coffee,
[57:58.240 --> 58:02.920]  javajohns.net or Java, is it John or John's?
[58:03.040 --> 58:03.920]  I think it's John, right?
[58:03.920 --> 58:05.320]  It's Java John's with an S.
[58:05.400 --> 58:05.840]  Okay.
[58:06.520 --> 58:06.760]  Yeah.
[58:06.880 --> 58:07.840]  Tell us a bit about that.
[58:08.640 --> 58:14.960]  Uh, piloting submersible vehicles, traveling around the world, uh, 2002, uh,
[58:14.960 --> 58:20.640]  was a, was a kind of a different time, uh, somewhat different than it is now.
[58:20.880 --> 58:25.480]  But, uh, but I wanted to just stop traveling as much and get home.
[58:25.520 --> 58:30.160]  So I started a coffee roastery and my wife and I ran it and it's
[58:30.160 --> 58:31.640]  still in operation today.
[58:31.640 --> 58:35.160]  So we, we roast fresh coffee daily.
[58:35.240 --> 58:39.760]  And, uh, I actually consider myself one of the first Patriots coffee companies
[58:39.760 --> 58:45.560]  because the, during the war, my platoon commander had, uh, he was on his
[58:45.600 --> 58:51.520]  sixth tour in Iraq and, uh, he had suffered a traumatic brain injury and he
[58:51.520 --> 58:56.240]  started the warriors regiment, not the wounded warriors nonprofit, but the regiment.
[58:56.560 --> 58:59.560]  So he was helping injured men and women come home.
[59:00.160 --> 59:02.840]  And so I wanted to do the same.
[59:02.840 --> 59:07.720]  So we decided to build a chopper, a motorcycle called the chopper of honor.
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[01:00:08.520 --> 01:00:12.840]  In honor of all of those men and women who have, you know, been injured or
[01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:18.120]  killed in the war, and I would take their story and I would put their picture and
[01:00:18.120 --> 01:00:22.200]  their story on the coffee bag and we would sell those coffee bags and the
[01:00:22.200 --> 01:00:23.960]  proceeds would go to those families.
[01:00:24.560 --> 01:00:31.480]  So, and I'll still do that today, but, but yeah, we've, we've been roasting
[01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:38.120]  coffee since 2002 and I'm starting to scale the company now, you know, along
[01:00:38.120 --> 01:00:40.040]  with Saxon, the, you know, the drone company.
[01:00:40.080 --> 01:00:44.360]  But I think it's important that, that we just do our part.
[01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:50.600]  We try to create jobs growth and, and help those that need it.
[01:00:51.040 --> 01:00:53.840]  Well, that's pretty good track record you got there.
[01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:55.400]  You've gone for 24 years, I guess.
[01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.200]  And so that's pretty good for a business.
[01:00:57.200 --> 01:00:59.400]  A lot of businesses don't make it that long.
[01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.280]  You know, the first five years is really critical.
[01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.240]  Tell me a little bit about, since you got a small business and you're doing coffee
[01:01:05.680 --> 01:01:08.280]  and you've got to import that, how are the tariffs affecting you?
[01:01:09.120 --> 01:01:12.360]  And what, what do you think is, what are you looking for in your business in
[01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:16.400]  terms of, you know, we're going to see, I think transportation costs explode
[01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:17.520]  here in the next few months.
[01:01:18.040 --> 01:01:18.240]  Yeah.
[01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.040]  What, what are you thinking about as a small businessman, when you're
[01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:25.440]  looking at all this economic chaos that's being unleashed on the world right now?
[01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:31.400]  Oh my gosh, you know, I'm an optimistic individual, but I'm only optimistic
[01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.920]  until it affects my checkbook, but, you know, coffee prices have gone up, you
[01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:44.720]  know, considerably where I'm being affected more is we were manufacturing
[01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:47.000]  our, our drones in Poland.
[01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.560]  But then we've, we've, we fell out of love with those folks because they were
[01:01:52.560 --> 01:01:54.320]  selling our aircraft behind our backs.
[01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.640]  And, you know, they were, they were doing us pretty dirty.
[01:01:57.640 --> 01:02:02.120]  So we, and then of course, when president Trump got back in office and
[01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:06.400]  of course we are really undergoing the Made in America initiative.
[01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.800]  We decided it was just a good time for us to repatriate our manufacturing back
[01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:11.760]  here to the United States.
[01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.560]  And that's what we're absolutely, we're, we're doing that right now.
[01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:18.440]  So, everything's just gone up.
[01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:22.480]  The transportation prices are just unbearable.
[01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.240]  You know, this, the fuel price and everything.
[01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.280]  And what about being able to get, you know, components, you know, and it
[01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.400]  turns even things like aluminum that's being affected by what's happening in
[01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.360]  the Gulf right now, are you having any shortage yet?
[01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:39.080]  Everything.
[01:02:39.080 --> 01:02:44.520]  Well, you know, again, it's the, the tariffs are, are a huge issue, but right
[01:02:44.520 --> 01:02:50.040]  now, you know, we're getting requests for, for drones, for very inexpensive drones.
[01:02:50.040 --> 01:02:52.960]  We're not getting a request for like two or three or five or 10.
[01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:59.360]  We're getting requests for 1400, 5,000, 7,000, 10,000 drones at a whack, right?
[01:02:59.600 --> 01:03:01.120]  What are people doing with that many drones?
[01:03:02.560 --> 01:03:04.440]  Well, they're sending them to the battlefield or.
[01:03:05.160 --> 01:03:07.400]  So it's a government, it's the government that's doing that, right?
[01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:07.840]  Yeah.
[01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:08.240]  Yeah.
[01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:13.320]  Or, or interceptor type drones so that, you know, they can intercept a drone on
[01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.080]  drone, which is literally what I was saying at the beginning of our interview here.
[01:03:18.040 --> 01:03:24.760]  But the problem is, is that the, we have this thing is, is NDA compliant.
[01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.920]  They have to be made in America and that's okay.
[01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.120]  That's, that's wonderful.
[01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.880]  But it is more expensive.
[01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:36.600]  The problem is that all of the lithium batteries that we use, all of the lithium
[01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:40.640]  cells are, they're manufactured in, in China, right?
[01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:44.400]  All of the motors, the copper, the windings, the magnets, you know, those
[01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.240]  are all manufactured in China.
[01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:56.720]  So, um, we're really being stifled by not only the disruption in the relationship
[01:03:56.720 --> 01:04:01.840]  between China and the United States right now, but also all of these conflicts that
[01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:08.200]  are happening around the world are, there's this massive influx of requirements for
[01:04:08.200 --> 01:04:14.760]  drones and these manufacturing, uh, companies that are manufacturing these
[01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.120]  components, they can't keep up.
[01:04:18.120 --> 01:04:24.960]  So, uh, it's a great industry to be in because you're busy, but it's not great
[01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:31.320]  when you can't fulfill the, uh, the requirements that you have here in
[01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:32.440]  the United States, right?
[01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:37.480]  So it doesn't do any good to get an order for 5,000 drones and get them delivered
[01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:40.960]  in, in a month or two or three or six when, when you can't get them.
[01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:45.480]  It doesn't do any good to have a domestic drones if you don't have any source of
[01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.920]  domestic batteries to run them with that.
[01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:52.200]  That was my whole issue with the tariff stuff is like, okay, well, your goal is
[01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:54.520]  this, but you don't even have a way to get there.
[01:04:54.520 --> 01:04:59.360]  You're just going to slam the door shut on what's coming in right now without
[01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:03.200]  having prepared to make sure that you've got the raw materials, to make sure that
[01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:06.280]  you've got the components that are not manufactured here.
[01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.080]  I mean, you can't do it all at once.
[01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.080]  I've said so many times we need to send a copy of a Leonard Reed's
[01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:13.640]  eye pencil to the white house.
[01:05:15.720 --> 01:05:20.120]  You know, the Chinese, they subsidize their drone technology.
[01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.840]  I mean, they've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of really smart engineers,
[01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:29.240]  just sitting around thinking up, you know, cool stuff to do.
[01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:30.200]  Right.
[01:05:30.520 --> 01:05:35.720]  Um, and that's why they're leading in the drone industry on the commercial side,
[01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:40.120]  not, not so much the military side, the commercial side, um, and you know, with
[01:05:40.120 --> 01:05:43.640]  all of the tariff stuff that Trump's doing and all of the investment that he's
[01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:47.240]  bringing back into the country and all of the dough stuff and there's all, there's
[01:05:47.240 --> 01:05:51.400]  all this money that's supposed to be coming into the United States, you know,
[01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:55.880]  why don't we just shave off two or three, you know, billion of that and invest that
[01:05:55.880 --> 01:06:00.240]  into our drone manufacturing facilities that are manufacturing American made
[01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:06.480]  drones here in America, you're creating jobs where you're creating growth, you're
[01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:12.360]  creating sustainability, you're making people happy and you have, you would be
[01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:20.520]  building one of the most, uh, incredible defensive, uh, uh, technologies in the
[01:06:20.520 --> 01:06:21.320]  United States.
[01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:23.400]  So why don't we do that?
[01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.320]  I mean, that's what I would do, but I'm, I'm not in the white house.
[01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:28.840]  Well, I'm not in the white house either.
[01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:31.320]  My approach would be just to get the government off of our back.
[01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.200]  And I think that we kind of figured out ourselves that seemed to always be the
[01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:39.560]  advantage that Americans had over planned economies where the government's going to
[01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:43.200]  decide because usually what happens with the government we see with our own is a
[01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:44.160]  malinvestment.
[01:06:44.160 --> 01:06:48.200]  I mean, you can see malinvestment with China in terms of the housing market and
[01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:49.760]  the real estate market that they did there.
[01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:54.880]  Um, but, um, so yeah, my, my instinct is always go back to the free market.
[01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.160]  How about if we get freer rather than more subsidized?
[01:06:58.160 --> 01:07:00.160]  Uh, that's kind of my biases.
[01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:00.760]  I look at it.
[01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:03.680]  It sure has been, you know, I, no, I'm sorry.
[01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:08.480]  I, uh, again, I have been working in these, uh, central African nations for
[01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:09.560]  many, many, many years.
[01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:17.720]  You know, I got sick and tired of dealing with United States bureaucracy, right?
[01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:23.920]  When the drones stuff came out, uh, the, the FAA had a very challenging job and
[01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:25.800]  that's how to integrate these into our airspace.
[01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:30.520]  And I knew that the FAA was going to have to stifle drone growth in America.
[01:07:30.560 --> 01:07:30.920]  Right.
[01:07:31.240 --> 01:07:35.560]  So I went overseas and we have this thing called BV loss beyond visual line of
[01:07:35.560 --> 01:07:39.760]  sight, and everybody was like, Oh my gosh, I want to do BV loss, you know?
[01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:43.120]  Well, I've been doing it for years overseas because I wasn't going to
[01:07:43.120 --> 01:07:45.120]  be stifled by the FAA, right?
[01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.200]  And again, nothing bad about the FAA.
[01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:49.680]  They, they, they have to do it right.
[01:07:49.720 --> 01:07:52.120]  Or they're going to cause, you know, loss of life.
[01:07:52.160 --> 01:07:52.520]  Right.
[01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:57.600]  So here in the United States, I go and work in these central African nations to
[01:07:57.600 --> 01:08:02.440]  try to, you know, build relationships between these African nations and the
[01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:07.840]  United States or us, because I don't want to rely specifically on our economy.
[01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:12.200]  I want to merge two economies so we can all grow together.
[01:08:12.240 --> 01:08:17.640]  And like we get African, uh, water machines that make water out of humidity.
[01:08:18.160 --> 01:08:22.200]  So there's African villages out there that have never had a clean glass of
[01:08:22.200 --> 01:08:24.640]  drinking water their entire lives.
[01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:30.040]  So we bring these water machines over there and they get to have a clean
[01:08:30.120 --> 01:08:34.200]  glass of water, something that we take advantage of here in America.
[01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:34.560]  Right.
[01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:42.040]  So, so I try to think outside the box and not just specifically in our own economy.
[01:08:42.040 --> 01:08:47.600]  I like to create multiple, many economies and that way everyone gets to benefit.
[01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:51.720]  And I think this was missing with this Fortress America approach that is there.
[01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:57.640]  You know, we, we just can't, um, can't, uh, understand how, uh, when we
[01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.520]  interconnect with things like that and we have free trade and we have freedom
[01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:04.640]  to do things, what a powerful thing that is, but if you're going to shut it down
[01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.480]  and if you're going to get territorial and tribal about things and you're going
[01:09:07.480 --> 01:09:11.440]  to regulate everything, you're going to regulate it to death and, and that's
[01:09:11.440 --> 01:09:12.880]  what I'm afraid we're seeing right now.
[01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:18.760]  But, um, we're way over time, so I'm going to need to cut this off, but it's
[01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.080]  been really fascinating talking to you, John Ferguson and again, the website.
[01:09:23.080 --> 01:09:28.480]  So he's got javajohns.net Saxons and man.com where you can see the kinds
[01:09:28.480 --> 01:09:30.400]  of drones that they manufacture there.
[01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:36.480]  And if you want to hear his life story, he's working on John B Ferguson.com.
[01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:37.840]  I'll be checking that out.
[01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:38.720]  Thank you so much, John.
[01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.000]  It was fascinating talking to you.
[01:09:40.240 --> 01:09:40.800]  And wonderful.
[01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:41.240]  Thank you.
[01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:41.800]  Likewise.
[01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:42.320]  Thank you.
[01:09:42.360 --> 01:09:42.720]  Bye bye.
[01:09:53.120 --> 01:09:59.840]  The common man, they created common core and dumbed down our children.
[01:10:00.280 --> 01:10:05.160]  They created common past to track and control us their commons project to
[01:10:05.160 --> 01:10:09.840]  make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.
[01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:16.480]  They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary, but each
[01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:20.400]  of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
[01:10:21.360 --> 01:10:22.840]  That is what we have in common.
[01:10:23.320 --> 01:10:25.160]  That is what they want to take away.
[01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.280]  Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
[01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.640]  They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us.
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