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[01:35.200 --> 01:37.300]  It's The David Knight Show.
[01:43.100 --> 01:46.500]  As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday, the 20th of February.
[01:46.900 --> 01:49.300]  Year of our Lord, 2026.
[01:49.800 --> 01:52.400]  Well, today we have a couple of interesting interviews for you.
[01:52.900 --> 01:55.700]  We have Goatree is going to be joining us later in the program.
[01:56.100 --> 02:00.300]  We're going to talk about cyber security, especially in light of what Kim Dotcom
[02:00.300 --> 02:03.200]  said this week about Palantir being hacked.
[02:03.800 --> 02:10.300]  We need to understand that as technology has evolved, it's no longer really about
[02:11.000 --> 02:14.300]  our safety and our security, just as we talk about national security.
[02:14.600 --> 02:15.700]  That's not about our safety.
[02:15.700 --> 02:16.700]  It's not about our peace.
[02:16.700 --> 02:18.000]  It's not about our privacy.
[02:18.500 --> 02:23.500]  And when we talk about cyber security, that is no longer really about any of
[02:23.500 --> 02:24.900]  those things for us either.
[02:25.400 --> 02:30.800]  This is really about perpetrating their power, their surveillance, their
[02:30.800 --> 02:32.300]  continuity of government.
[02:33.000 --> 02:38.800]  And we're going to talk to an individual who grew up in a missionary family and
[02:38.800 --> 02:44.800]  one of the heaviest drug use areas in the world during the AIDS crisis.
[02:44.800 --> 02:50.400]  It's kind of like, I guess I'd describe it as a mixture of the Waltons meets
[02:50.400 --> 02:56.400]  a panic in Needle Park, but has a lot to say about the solution to drug addiction.
[02:56.900 --> 02:59.100]  It's not about destroying boats in Venezuela.
[02:59.100 --> 03:02.400]  It's not about destroying the Constitution and the rule of law.
[03:02.900 --> 03:07.000]  It's really about restoring the rule of Christ in our lives.
[03:09.700 --> 03:14.200]  Well, yesterday I talked about the head fakes, the lies, the betrayals of many
[03:14.200 --> 03:16.800]  different areas that Donald Trump has done.
[03:16.800 --> 03:20.500]  Of course, many people only think of what's going on with the Epstein files.
[03:20.700 --> 03:24.200]  I didn't have enough time to get to, I think, one of the key things that
[03:24.200 --> 03:27.700]  was a part of this, and that is Pam Bondi.
[03:28.100 --> 03:31.500]  There was a good article by Brian Shalhavi on health impact news.
[03:31.800 --> 03:36.300]  Pam Bondi has been denying justice for Epstein victims for almost two decades
[03:36.300 --> 03:40.900]  now, and I played the other day, her campaign victory, where she was
[03:40.900 --> 03:44.600]  bragging about the fact how she was going to get tough on sex offenders.
[03:45.000 --> 03:46.800]  Well, she actually didn't.
[03:46.900 --> 03:50.300]  Did you realize that she was, as all this stuff was happening
[03:50.300 --> 03:53.200]  with Epstein in Florida, she was attorney general there.
[03:53.700 --> 03:56.700]  And that's the gist of Brian Shalhavi's story.
[03:56.900 --> 04:02.800]  Pam Bondi was the attorney general in Florida from 2011 through 2019.
[04:03.400 --> 04:06.500]  She had experience in covering up Epstein's crimes from his
[04:06.500 --> 04:09.600]  sweetheart deal in 2008 in the state of Florida.
[04:09.600 --> 04:16.800]  So she was not attorney general when he had his, basically got away
[04:16.800 --> 04:21.700]  with all of it with Alex Acosta, the federal attorney and local law
[04:21.700 --> 04:24.600]  enforcement there, and that was when his defense attorneys were
[04:24.600 --> 04:26.600]  Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr.
[04:26.600 --> 04:31.300]  However, there was a lot of information that came out after that, a lot
[04:31.300 --> 04:35.700]  of outrage and a lot of concern from the victims as to who these
[04:35.700 --> 04:37.900]  other people are that are not getting punished.
[04:38.300 --> 04:42.400]  They wanted to limit this strictly to Jeffrey Epstein, and there
[04:42.400 --> 04:46.900]  are victims that were crying out then to have the people that he
[04:46.900 --> 04:49.900]  was pimping for essentially, something that happened to them.
[04:50.100 --> 04:54.000]  She also refused to bring justice to the victims when they went public
[04:54.000 --> 04:58.100]  in November 2018 as published by the Miami Herald.
[04:58.900 --> 05:03.400]  And so as you've got Roger Stone and Benny Johnson now trying to deflect
[05:03.400 --> 05:07.200]  this over to Hillary Clinton, and certainly the Clintons deserve
[05:07.200 --> 05:10.400]  to have consequences for this, of course.
[05:11.100 --> 05:14.500]  But that does not inoculate Donald Trump.
[05:14.500 --> 05:17.700]  It does not inoculate Pam Bondi from what she has done.
[05:17.700 --> 05:20.200]  As a matter of fact, here's that commercial that she was running.
[05:20.400 --> 05:26.800]  She actually talked about, campaigned on justice for sex offender victims.
[05:26.800 --> 05:31.100]  Florida ranks third nationally in calls for help for human trafficking
[05:31.400 --> 05:35.700]  where young women and children are enslaved and abused.
[05:35.800 --> 05:38.100]  I knew we needed all hands on deck.
[05:38.300 --> 05:41.700]  Businesses and hospitals to spot it, our great law enforcement
[05:41.700 --> 05:44.600]  to stop it and tougher penalties to punish it.
[05:44.900 --> 05:48.200]  We're taking on Medicaid fraud, pill mills, gangs, and more.
[05:48.400 --> 05:53.400]  And I'll fight to put human trafficking monsters where they belong behind bars.
[05:55.200 --> 05:56.500]  Our attorney general.
[05:56.900 --> 05:57.300]  Yeah.
[05:57.500 --> 05:57.800]  Yeah.
[05:57.800 --> 05:59.800]  What a joke that woman is.
[05:59.800 --> 06:03.300]  I mean, so you've got all these people that were involved with Epstein
[06:03.300 --> 06:05.700]  and she's not going to do anything about them.
[06:05.700 --> 06:09.300]  And the victims were asking for that in the wake of the 2008 case.
[06:09.300 --> 06:13.000]  They were outraged at the special treatment that Jeffrey Epstein got
[06:13.000 --> 06:16.600]  and of the cover-up for all the victims even at that time.
[06:17.400 --> 06:18.600]  She did nothing about it.
[06:18.600 --> 06:21.700]  She built her brand on protecting the survivors.
[06:21.700 --> 06:24.700]  But when it came to Florida's most notorious sex criminal,
[06:25.200 --> 06:26.200]  she looked the other way.
[06:26.800 --> 06:31.300]  And actually this was originally a Bloomberg article from July of last year
[06:31.700 --> 06:32.600]  talking about that.
[06:32.600 --> 06:36.200]  They said Bondi was elected after Epstein had served his sentence in Palm Beach
[06:36.200 --> 06:41.300]  and quite quietly rather quickly tried to establish her office as an advocate
[06:41.300 --> 06:45.700]  for victims of sex trafficking, erecting billboards across the state
[06:45.700 --> 06:49.500]  to bring awareness to the issue, creating the statewide Council on Human Trafficking.
[06:49.900 --> 06:53.100]  In their last months in office, she announced a criminal investigation
[06:53.500 --> 06:58.300]  and allegations of past sex abuse by Catholic priests in Florida.
[06:59.000 --> 07:04.400]  If you got a guy who's working for Massad, she's not interested in past abuse by him.
[07:05.300 --> 07:08.900]  Bondi kept her distance from the state's most prominent sex trafficking case,
[07:08.900 --> 07:13.200]  even as Epstein's victims pleaded with the courts to invalidate the provisions
[07:13.200 --> 07:15.600]  for his non-prosecution agreement.
[07:16.100 --> 07:18.600]  And they filed lawsuits alleging that he abused them
[07:18.600 --> 07:20.600]  when he was on work release from jail.
[07:21.500 --> 07:26.600]  Again, as I've talked about, he got this deal where they let him come back
[07:26.600 --> 07:33.500]  to the prison to sleep, but he was out all day like the town drunk in Mayberry RFD.
[07:33.800 --> 07:34.800]  Otis the town drunk.
[07:35.000 --> 07:38.500]  He just had the keys and he would let himself back in and sleep it off at night.
[07:38.600 --> 07:42.100]  I mean, it makes sense given that his job was sex trafficking for Massad
[07:42.100 --> 07:45.300]  that his work release would involve sex crimes.
[07:46.100 --> 07:47.800]  Yeah, that's what I do for a living, right?
[07:47.800 --> 07:50.100]  So of course, if you're going to put me on work release,
[07:50.100 --> 07:52.600]  I'm going to be doing some of the same stuff you just locked me up for.
[07:53.100 --> 07:57.500]  In November 2018, the Miami Herald released its investigative series on Epstein.
[07:57.900 --> 08:00.000]  It was called Perversion of Justice.
[08:00.400 --> 08:05.900]  It exposed the details of the government's decision to allow Epstein to bypass federal charges.
[08:06.400 --> 08:09.900]  Instead of suggesting the state get to the truth, however,
[08:10.300 --> 08:13.300]  Bondi remained conspicuously silent.
[08:13.700 --> 08:16.100]  Perhaps that's why she was picked for the job, you think?
[08:16.700 --> 08:19.700]  When Bondi took the top job at the Justice Department under Trump,
[08:20.000 --> 08:22.200]  she got a second chance to rectify the damage.
[08:22.500 --> 08:25.500]  She could have announced a sweeping internal probe,
[08:25.900 --> 08:30.400]  released the DOJ files in a show of transparency and revamped the agency.
[08:30.700 --> 08:33.500]  So this kind of miscarriage of justice wouldn't occur again.
[08:34.200 --> 08:36.400]  However, she did not do that.
[08:36.500 --> 08:38.300]  She did just the opposite of all that.
[08:38.500 --> 08:42.500]  She again leaned into public relations rather than into substance.
[08:42.800 --> 08:48.100]  She went on Fox News in February to boast that Epstein's client list was sitting on my desk.
[08:48.100 --> 08:49.600]  That's what she was saying a year ago.
[08:50.100 --> 08:54.800]  She had long capitalized on MAGA World's obsession with the records,
[08:55.200 --> 08:59.400]  telling Sean Hannity in January of 2024 that the files, quote,
[08:59.700 --> 09:02.200]  should have come out a long time ago, unquote,
[09:02.700 --> 09:06.500]  and blaming it on a, quote, two-tiered justice system.
[09:07.300 --> 09:09.400]  Well, certainly she understands what the problem is.
[09:10.400 --> 09:12.800]  And she is part of the problem, right?
[09:12.800 --> 09:15.100]  She is part of that two-tiered justice system.
[09:15.300 --> 09:16.500]  As a matter of fact, you know,
[09:16.500 --> 09:21.000]  we don't want to pay any attention to anybody other than just the Democrats.
[09:21.500 --> 09:24.800]  We want to ignore what Trump did.
[09:24.800 --> 09:28.100]  And yet, this is kind of interesting by Trump's own admission.
[09:28.100 --> 09:30.400]  And, you know, I'm just devastated over what's happened.
[09:30.400 --> 09:31.800]  He's been a friend for a long time.
[09:32.400 --> 09:33.200]  A great guy.
[09:33.200 --> 09:34.500]  Was he at her wedding?
[09:34.500 --> 09:35.300]  He was at my wedding.
[09:35.800 --> 09:38.700]  Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
[09:42.300 --> 09:44.000]  What do you mean by personal relationships?
[09:44.600 --> 09:46.000]  Have you socialized with him?
[09:46.900 --> 09:47.400]  Yes, sir.
[09:47.900 --> 09:48.400]  Yes?
[09:48.400 --> 09:48.900]  Yes, sir.
[09:49.600 --> 09:54.300]  Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of
[09:56.300 --> 09:58.700]  females under the age of 18?
[10:02.600 --> 10:05.300]  Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today,
[10:05.900 --> 10:10.000]  I'm going to assert my fifth, sixth, and fourteenth amendment right, sir.
[10:11.100 --> 10:13.100]  I don't know how the fourteenth amendment applies to that.
[10:13.100 --> 10:14.300]  What were you going to say, Lance?
[10:15.200 --> 10:19.700]  Just this article from Bloomberg is doing the same thing in reverse.
[10:19.700 --> 10:23.200]  You know, they're talking about MAGA's strange obsession with it back,
[10:23.200 --> 10:24.800]  you know, when Biden was in office.
[10:24.800 --> 10:28.200]  It was weird to have an obsession with it then, but now it's weird that
[10:28.200 --> 10:29.100]  they're covering it up.
[10:29.400 --> 10:32.400]  It's the same double thing just on the other side.
[10:32.400 --> 10:33.000]  That's right.
[10:33.000 --> 10:33.300]  Yeah.
[10:33.300 --> 10:36.800]  Bloomberg didn't care at all when it was Clinton, just like the MAGA
[10:36.800 --> 10:41.300]  people try to point away from Trump when it's his turn to be looked at.
[10:41.600 --> 10:45.400]  She destroyed every last ounce of independence her office might have had
[10:45.800 --> 10:49.900]  when she went to the White House in May and warned Trump that his name
[10:49.900 --> 10:51.300]  was in the Epstein files.
[10:51.700 --> 10:53.000]  Of course his name is in there.
[10:54.200 --> 10:56.100]  Did she even need to know that from her?
[10:56.400 --> 10:59.700]  Bondi is probably the number one most guilty person in the U.S.
[10:59.700 --> 11:03.800]  for perverting justice and covering up Epstein's crimes and refusing to
[11:03.800 --> 11:09.400]  prosecute the pedophiles and failing to protect Epstein's victims, says
[11:09.400 --> 11:11.500]  Branchal Harvey, and I absolutely agree with him.
[11:12.200 --> 11:16.200]  How does one prosecute, however, the attorney general of the United States
[11:16.200 --> 11:18.400]  who controls the Department of Justice?
[11:19.000 --> 11:23.200]  It was a brilliant move by Trump after he failed to get Matt Gates, who
[11:23.200 --> 11:26.300]  was previously under investigation for child sex trafficking by the
[11:26.300 --> 11:27.300]  Department of Justice.
[11:27.800 --> 11:32.600]  Trump tried to get him as the attorney general, but that failed.
[11:33.100 --> 11:37.500]  Gates had resigned from Congress when he was not approved, but just
[11:37.500 --> 11:42.400]  to prevent a congressional ethics report from being published on his
[11:42.400 --> 11:44.700]  sexual activities with underage girls.
[11:45.100 --> 11:50.800]  When you look at the Trump administration, how can anybody think that
[11:50.800 --> 11:53.500]  this guy is going to give you an honest assessment of this?
[11:53.500 --> 11:56.900]  How could you think that he is not a part of this?
[11:56.900 --> 11:59.000]  It absolutely does not make any sense.
[11:59.000 --> 12:02.900]  Well, I don't want to take time away from our interviews that we've got
[12:02.900 --> 12:06.100]  here, and we're going to go to the first one.
[12:06.100 --> 12:08.600]  We're shooting up with Jonathan Tepper in just a moment.
[12:08.600 --> 12:11.600]  But I want to say before we stop, here we are.
[12:11.800 --> 12:13.600]  This is the 20th of February.
[12:14.200 --> 12:16.300]  We've got about one week left in February.
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[12:47.700 --> 12:51.900]  And while we're all busy, life keeps moving forward, but
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[13:30.800 --> 13:57.900]  We're not quite halfway up the gas gauge right now.
[13:57.900 --> 14:00.800]  So I just want to say we're not going to put this behind
[14:00.800 --> 14:05.200]  a paywall, but I just want to speak to people who, if you
[14:05.200 --> 14:08.000]  listen to the show for a while and you have never contributed
[14:08.000 --> 14:11.600]  to us, we would really appreciate it at this point in time.
[14:12.000 --> 14:15.800]  If you just give us $5, I mean that would, even just a few
[14:15.800 --> 14:19.700]  of the people that did that, that would put us way over
[14:19.700 --> 14:20.200]  our budget.
[14:20.200 --> 14:24.700]  We had 28,000 people listen to the show just on Rumble last
[14:24.700 --> 14:31.300]  week, and imagine if those people gave us $5 a piece.
[14:31.300 --> 14:35.500]  That would be several months worth of our budget alone, but
[14:35.500 --> 14:39.300]  we would appreciate it at this time if you find value in
[14:39.300 --> 14:40.900]  the show, if you could support us.
[14:40.900 --> 14:43.500]  And I want to thank some of the people who have supported
[14:43.500 --> 14:45.100]  us in just the last day or so.
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[14:59.500 --> 15:01.500]  Mary T, and Mary Ann.
[15:01.500 --> 15:02.600]  Thank you so much.
[15:03.100 --> 15:07.400]  We're going to join our first interview here with Jonathan
[15:07.400 --> 15:08.700]  Tepper in just one moment.
[15:08.700 --> 15:09.600]  We'll be right back.
[16:20.800 --> 16:49.000]  You're listening to The David Knight Show.
[16:49.500 --> 16:54.200]  Joining us now is author Jonathan Tepper, and his book
[16:54.200 --> 16:59.600]  is Shooting Up, Memoir of Heroin, AIDS, Love and Loss.
[16:59.600 --> 17:05.700]  He grew up as an American missionary kid in the epicenter
[17:05.700 --> 17:08.100]  of the AIDS epidemic in Spain.
[17:08.100 --> 17:10.800]  He has an amazing story about what his family went through,
[17:10.800 --> 17:14.500]  and as they created a vast network to help people who are
[17:14.500 --> 17:18.000]  addicted to drugs and then wound up being in the center of
[17:18.000 --> 17:19.000]  the AIDS epidemic.
[17:19.000 --> 17:20.600]  Thank you so much for joining us today.
[17:21.100 --> 17:22.300]  Well, thank you so much for having me.
[17:22.300 --> 17:23.000]  It's a pleasure.
[17:23.200 --> 17:23.900]  Thank you, Jonathan.
[17:23.900 --> 17:27.100]  And you know, one of the things I like about this, looking
[17:27.100 --> 17:30.600]  at your story, of course, it's a much darker version of an
[17:30.600 --> 17:33.200]  almost sounds trivial to compare it to the Waltons.
[17:33.200 --> 17:37.800]  But what I like is when you got the memoirs of an adult going
[17:37.800 --> 17:40.900]  back and looking at his childhood and reinterpreting it
[17:40.900 --> 17:45.400]  through, you know, the experience that he's had as an adult
[17:45.800 --> 17:47.500]  talking about what he saw as a child.
[17:47.500 --> 17:48.900]  I always liked that kind of a story.
[17:48.900 --> 17:50.700]  That's one of the things that really drew me to your story.
[17:50.700 --> 17:53.300]  And of course, also the Christian involvement there,
[17:53.300 --> 17:54.800]  your parents as missionaries.
[17:55.500 --> 18:00.200]  So they go to Spain as missionaries and they kind of
[18:00.200 --> 18:04.500]  get drawn into this situation of helping drug addicts.
[18:04.500 --> 18:07.400]  That wasn't their first priority, was it?
[18:07.400 --> 18:10.400]  What was their original mission when they went to Spain?
[18:10.400 --> 18:10.900]  Yes.
[18:11.100 --> 18:16.000]  My parents moved to Spain in 1983 and my father and mother
[18:16.300 --> 18:19.500]  had worked in Mexico beforehand for about four years with
[18:19.500 --> 18:22.100]  university students and they thought they would go to Spain
[18:22.400 --> 18:23.800]  and do exactly the same thing.
[18:23.800 --> 18:26.600]  So start a church among university students and be a
[18:26.600 --> 18:28.800]  university chaplain.
[18:29.500 --> 18:32.000]  But they settled in the neighborhood of San Blas in
[18:32.000 --> 18:32.500]  Madrid.
[18:33.200 --> 18:34.900]  Missionaries tend to be poor.
[18:34.900 --> 18:37.400]  And so I think they settled there because the rent was cheap,
[18:38.000 --> 18:40.400]  not fully knowing what the neighborhood was like.
[18:40.800 --> 18:44.900]  And the neighborhood had one of the highest rates of heroin
[18:44.900 --> 18:48.000]  use and juvenile crime in Europe at the time.
[18:48.500 --> 18:53.400]  And they started helping young men and women and families
[18:53.400 --> 18:56.300]  trying to send their sons and daughters off to drug rehab
[18:56.300 --> 18:58.700]  centers outside of Madrid because there were almost no
[18:58.700 --> 18:59.900]  centers in Madrid at the time.
[19:00.300 --> 19:04.800]  And it was through that sort of helping people day to day
[19:05.100 --> 19:09.400]  that led them to feel that they had a calling from God to
[19:09.400 --> 19:14.200]  change the mission or what they were trying to do and start
[19:14.500 --> 19:17.000]  a drug rehab center working with heroin addicts.
[19:17.000 --> 19:18.100]  And so that's what they did.
[19:18.100 --> 19:21.600]  And the drug center started in 1985, two years later.
[19:22.000 --> 19:24.600]  And how old were you at the time when all this began?
[19:24.900 --> 19:26.700]  I was seven when we arrived in Spain.
[19:26.700 --> 19:29.900]  And so they were, my parents were sending me and my three
[19:29.900 --> 19:33.500]  brothers out to hand out little flyers with our home phone
[19:33.500 --> 19:34.500]  number and address.
[19:35.100 --> 19:39.000]  And then they would have meetings in the house.
[19:39.800 --> 19:41.900]  So the addicts were coming over.
[19:42.600 --> 19:46.300]  And so I was like seven, eight, nine interacting with the
[19:46.300 --> 19:48.400]  addicts often as they shoot out handing them flyers.
[19:48.400 --> 19:51.000]  And then the men and women in the program became like older
[19:51.000 --> 19:52.900]  brothers to my brothers and me.
[19:53.100 --> 19:53.500]  Wow.
[19:53.500 --> 19:57.900]  And of course crime goes hand in hand with that because people
[19:57.900 --> 19:59.400]  having to support their habit.
[19:59.800 --> 20:04.200]  And so you got to be friends with some people who were some
[20:04.200 --> 20:06.000]  serious criminals there as well.
[20:06.300 --> 20:09.700]  But it kind of reminds me the way your parents got involved
[20:09.700 --> 20:12.200]  in this just one person basically coming in.
[20:12.200 --> 20:15.100]  I think it and then another and then another gradually
[20:15.100 --> 20:17.000]  building until it got to be fairly large.
[20:17.000 --> 20:21.100]  It reminds me of George Mueller back in Victorian times at
[20:21.100 --> 20:22.700]  the time of Charles Dickensworth.
[20:22.900 --> 20:26.600]  The real big issue then was not drug abuse, but it was kids
[20:26.600 --> 20:28.200]  who were orphans on the streets.
[20:28.600 --> 20:31.300]  And he brought in one then another, then another before
[20:31.300 --> 20:31.900]  he knew it.
[20:32.200 --> 20:35.100]  He had this vast organ orphanage that was there in
[20:35.100 --> 20:35.900]  Victorian England.
[20:36.800 --> 20:38.400]  Your parents grew that ministry.
[20:38.400 --> 20:41.300]  And of course they grew it without the help of the original
[20:41.600 --> 20:44.400]  missionary society that the people who sent them over and
[20:44.400 --> 20:47.100]  were supporting them wanted something else done rather than
[20:47.100 --> 20:47.400]  this.
[20:47.400 --> 20:48.800]  This was what your parents saw.
[20:48.800 --> 20:51.900]  They were drawn to that need and got involved in it and then
[20:51.900 --> 20:56.100]  had to find a way to support themselves and that mission
[20:56.100 --> 20:57.200]  grew quite a bit, didn't it?
[20:57.800 --> 20:58.100]  Yes.
[20:58.100 --> 21:01.800]  So the the Drug Rehab Center when it started had one addict
[21:01.800 --> 21:04.800]  to came in off the street and he was sharing an apartment
[21:04.800 --> 21:05.800]  with Lindsay McKenzie.
[21:05.800 --> 21:07.600]  He was a young Australian missionary.
[21:07.900 --> 21:11.100]  And then Raoul invited eight of his friends in so they were
[21:11.100 --> 21:12.100]  all living in the apartment.
[21:12.400 --> 21:15.000]  The neighbors rightly complained about having, you know, a
[21:15.000 --> 21:17.500]  lot of recovering addicts living in a residential apartment.
[21:17.900 --> 21:20.400]  So then they moved out to a farm and then there were about
[21:20.400 --> 21:21.700]  30 men living on the farm.
[21:22.000 --> 21:25.400]  And I think it was as you draw the parallel with George
[21:25.400 --> 21:29.200]  Miller, it was not some grand plan to have an organization
[21:29.200 --> 21:32.100]  or to build something, but rather naturally evolved.
[21:32.100 --> 21:33.300]  Yeah, exactly.
[21:33.300 --> 21:37.700]  Showing love to one person at a time trying to answer a need
[21:38.000 --> 21:41.200]  and I think the addicts themselves, one needed help, but
[21:41.200 --> 21:44.400]  two responded to that love and compassion and then they
[21:44.400 --> 21:46.800]  wanted to help their friends and that really was how the
[21:46.800 --> 21:51.200]  Drug Center grew from its beginning in 1985 and then 40
[21:51.200 --> 21:54.500]  years later, it's still running in 20 countries with over
[21:54.500 --> 21:56.000]  2,000 addicts in the program.
[21:56.300 --> 21:56.700]  Wow.
[21:57.100 --> 21:58.400]  And how'd you feel about these guys?
[21:58.400 --> 22:01.500]  I mean, these are some pretty hardened street guys and you're
[22:01.500 --> 22:02.200]  pretty young.
[22:02.700 --> 22:03.600]  Did it scare you?
[22:03.600 --> 22:05.800]  Did you were you fascinated with their lifestyle?
[22:05.800 --> 22:07.500]  What's your reaction in general?
[22:07.500 --> 22:09.800]  It was probably more fascination than than fear, but there
[22:09.800 --> 22:11.800]  were a couple addicts that I was afraid of one of them in
[22:11.800 --> 22:16.200]  particular was Manolo Machara and his nickname in Spanish
[22:16.200 --> 22:19.900]  meant crazy and he got that because a dealer had stuck a
[22:19.900 --> 22:22.700]  gun in his face and so he took the barrel of the gun and
[22:22.700 --> 22:26.200]  stuck in his mouth and dared the dealer to shoot him and
[22:26.200 --> 22:29.300]  so people thought he was crazy, but he would grab my hand
[22:29.300 --> 22:31.000]  and just squeeze until it hurt.
[22:31.400 --> 22:34.600]  And I would punch him and it wouldn't do anything to him.
[22:35.200 --> 22:37.800]  I was always glad when the first addict was around he
[22:37.800 --> 22:41.400]  would protect me, but overall the addicts really looked
[22:41.400 --> 22:42.000]  after us.
[22:42.000 --> 22:44.000]  My parents thought that they wouldn't do anything to us
[22:44.000 --> 22:45.900]  because we didn't have drugs and we didn't have money.
[22:46.200 --> 22:49.600]  So, you know, we were more curiosity to them than anything.
[22:50.300 --> 22:52.000]  You weren't attractive targets.
[22:52.400 --> 22:53.000]  Exactly.
[22:53.200 --> 22:55.900]  All they're looking at is money and drugs money for the
[22:55.900 --> 22:58.700]  next hit that they're going to use for the next drugs that
[22:58.700 --> 22:59.100]  are there.
[22:59.300 --> 23:00.900]  So your family is on your own.
[23:01.400 --> 23:05.900]  And they have to find money for this and money to support
[23:05.900 --> 23:06.600]  themselves.
[23:07.200 --> 23:08.100]  So what do they do?
[23:08.900 --> 23:12.400]  So a lot of the addicts had been manual laborers, you
[23:12.400 --> 23:17.200]  know before they had gotten into a life of drugs and one
[23:17.200 --> 23:20.400]  of the ways that they were raising money was basically
[23:20.400 --> 23:21.100]  starting businesses.
[23:21.100 --> 23:24.500]  So they started a secondhand furniture store where people
[23:24.500 --> 23:27.800]  would, you know, try to get rid of furniture donate it and
[23:27.800 --> 23:30.900]  the men would pick it up and restore the furniture and
[23:30.900 --> 23:31.400]  sell it.
[23:31.700 --> 23:34.800]  There were also, you know, gardening teams or plumbing
[23:34.800 --> 23:35.600]  brick masonry.
[23:35.900 --> 23:40.000]  So the men just did any odd jobs they could to pay the
[23:40.000 --> 23:40.500]  bills.
[23:40.900 --> 23:43.900]  And so these were essentially businesses run by, you know,
[23:43.900 --> 23:48.500]  recovering and former heroin addicts and all that revenue
[23:48.600 --> 23:51.200]  provided for a free drug rehab for the addicts.
[23:51.600 --> 23:52.100]  That's great.
[23:52.200 --> 23:54.900]  So what is the motivation of these guys coming out?
[23:54.900 --> 23:57.500]  Are they just looking for a place to live a place to crash
[23:57.500 --> 23:57.900]  or something?
[23:57.900 --> 24:01.400]  Are they really trying to get off of drugs and were they
[24:01.400 --> 24:03.000]  looking for Christ for example?
[24:03.700 --> 24:07.300]  So I think most of them did want to get off drugs.
[24:07.300 --> 24:10.500]  So they saw that, you know, in the early stages, obviously
[24:10.500 --> 24:14.200]  like people enjoy the first time they shoot up or, you
[24:14.200 --> 24:16.400]  know, the first couple of times, but then obviously it
[24:16.400 --> 24:19.400]  becomes less pleasurable or you're trying to increase the
[24:19.400 --> 24:24.100]  high and and then it's the life of heroin that leads them
[24:24.100 --> 24:27.400]  to, you know, lose their jobs to lose family and friends.
[24:27.400 --> 24:30.500]  They end up most of the kids are the young men and women
[24:30.900 --> 24:34.500]  stole much of their family's belongings or money and not
[24:34.500 --> 24:36.400]  that they were had that much to begin with because almost
[24:36.400 --> 24:38.200]  all of these were working-class families.
[24:38.700 --> 24:41.900]  And so it ends up breaking their social bonds and they
[24:41.900 --> 24:43.900]  often end up kicked out of their house living on the
[24:43.900 --> 24:44.400]  street.
[24:44.700 --> 24:47.400]  And so for many of them, they did want to go for heroin
[24:47.400 --> 24:50.600]  and then also, you know, wanted to simply get a roof
[24:50.600 --> 24:56.100]  over their head and the some of them obviously were aware
[24:56.400 --> 25:00.500]  of the Christian ethos behind the program, but I don't
[25:00.500 --> 25:02.700]  know that they were specifically sitting out to, you
[25:02.700 --> 25:03.900]  know, become Christians.
[25:04.000 --> 25:07.700]  I think they were attracted to the daily example of love
[25:07.700 --> 25:09.800]  that was shown to them when they had seen the friends
[25:09.800 --> 25:13.100]  that they used to shoot up with now clean and off drugs.
[25:13.400 --> 25:15.900]  That was, I think one of the things that truly inspired
[25:15.900 --> 25:16.300]  them.
[25:16.500 --> 25:18.200]  And so is that love in action.
[25:18.900 --> 25:21.700]  And so you have some interesting stories about one
[25:21.700 --> 25:24.600]  of the guys who was doing furniture repair.
[25:24.900 --> 25:27.600]  One of the businesses that you guys were at and you
[25:27.600 --> 25:30.600]  thought it was an interesting analogy for this whole
[25:30.600 --> 25:31.100]  program.
[25:31.100 --> 25:32.100]  Tell us a little bit about that.
[25:32.600 --> 25:32.900]  Oh, yeah.
[25:32.900 --> 25:37.300]  So at first when I started writing the book, I hadn't
[25:37.300 --> 25:40.100]  like explicitly set out some of these themes in my own
[25:40.600 --> 25:43.400]  brain, but I guess they these come out subconsciously
[25:43.800 --> 25:46.700]  and I was writing about one of the main characters in
[25:46.700 --> 25:47.000]  the book.
[25:47.000 --> 25:50.000]  His name is his comedy and he ran a secondhand furniture
[25:50.000 --> 25:54.500]  store and I was struck by the beauty of them taking
[25:54.500 --> 25:57.200]  these discarded pieces of furniture that often, you
[25:57.200 --> 26:00.100]  know, we're in a terrible state repairing them,
[26:00.100 --> 26:02.600]  restoring them, turning them into beautiful objects
[26:02.600 --> 26:05.400]  often, you know, antiques that, you know, you didn't
[26:05.400 --> 26:06.800]  know that they were beautiful when they came in
[26:06.800 --> 26:09.000]  the store, but they were when they came out and I
[26:09.000 --> 26:11.400]  thought it was a beautiful metaphor for their lives.
[26:11.400 --> 26:14.400]  The way that, you know, people's lives can be restored
[26:14.400 --> 26:17.900]  and turned around and and then it becomes a theme
[26:17.900 --> 26:20.700]  throughout the book where in the early days, you
[26:20.700 --> 26:22.800]  know, the there was not much of a budget for the drug
[26:22.800 --> 26:23.400]  rehab center.
[26:23.700 --> 26:26.900]  So they would take over abandoned houses or farms
[26:28.600 --> 26:31.500]  and that were in a state of disrepair and rebuild
[26:31.500 --> 26:34.900]  them and redid them and these houses too were a
[26:34.900 --> 26:38.500]  metaphor for rebuilding and restoration.
[26:38.700 --> 26:41.500]  So it's a theme that runs through the book and is
[26:42.200 --> 26:45.800]  central part of sort of the history and ethos of
[26:45.800 --> 26:46.300]  the program.
[26:46.700 --> 26:47.000]  That's right.
[26:47.000 --> 26:49.500]  And it really strikes me as something that Christ
[26:49.500 --> 26:51.100]  does with us, you know, the carpenter, you know, he
[26:51.100 --> 26:54.400]  takes the the he sees something that is there of
[26:54.400 --> 26:57.400]  value and he takes us apart and he fixes us and
[26:57.400 --> 26:58.700]  puts us back together again.
[26:58.700 --> 27:00.400]  That's what was happening in those addicts lives.
[27:00.400 --> 27:02.800]  I think that's a really apt metaphor.
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[28:41.700 --> 28:44.100]  So how did your relationship with them?
[28:44.100 --> 28:45.400]  Did they become Christians?
[28:45.900 --> 28:49.400]  I'm sure not all of them did, but did a good number of them?
[28:49.800 --> 28:52.900]  Yeah, no one was under any obligation to believe anything.
[28:52.900 --> 28:56.600]  So people could live in the program and they did have
[28:56.600 --> 28:58.300]  to participate in the morning devotional.
[28:58.300 --> 29:00.400]  So I mean, they had to sit there and listen.
[29:00.400 --> 29:02.200]  And then there was a Sunday morning church service.
[29:03.100 --> 29:06.200]  But, and so obviously they were exposed to quite a lot
[29:06.200 --> 29:09.600]  of preaching and Bible verses.
[29:10.000 --> 29:13.500]  But I think most of the addicts did end up converting
[29:13.500 --> 29:17.700]  because they saw that, you know, they often explicitly
[29:17.700 --> 29:19.400]  said I want what he's got, right?
[29:19.400 --> 29:23.000]  So if the first addict in the program came in and turned
[29:23.000 --> 29:26.200]  his life around and they had known him as a violent criminal
[29:26.200 --> 29:28.900]  on the streets and an addict and then they saw that he turned
[29:28.900 --> 29:31.900]  into someone who would give up his own bed so that people
[29:31.900 --> 29:34.300]  could sleep, you know, while he slept on the sofa or the
[29:34.300 --> 29:36.800]  floor that deeply touched people.
[29:36.800 --> 29:41.400]  And so it was that lived example of love and compassion
[29:41.400 --> 29:45.500]  that motivated others to want to come in and then transmit
[29:45.500 --> 29:48.800]  that to the next group of people who came in or the next generation.
[29:49.100 --> 29:49.500]  Yes.
[29:49.800 --> 29:52.100]  Yes, that's another story that sort of reminds me of the
[29:52.100 --> 29:56.700]  cross and switchblade and that became gradually built
[29:56.700 --> 29:57.900]  into an entire program.
[29:57.900 --> 30:02.200]  And I talked to a pastor a few weeks ago, Matt Trohala,
[30:02.300 --> 30:04.700]  who has a ministry and that's what got him.
[30:04.700 --> 30:10.000]  He was from a broken family and it was that program that
[30:10.000 --> 30:12.900]  eventually got to him and made a difference for him.
[30:12.900 --> 30:16.200]  So it's not a situation where somebody, you know, go in there
[30:16.200 --> 30:19.200]  and you don't hand them a track and tell them go read this
[30:19.200 --> 30:22.400]  or give them some, you know, try to scare them.
[30:22.800 --> 30:26.800]  But instead they see the fruit of what Christ does in
[30:26.800 --> 30:29.900]  other people's lives, starting with your parents and moving
[30:29.900 --> 30:35.400]  out like a ripple in a pond, you know, gradually affecting
[30:35.400 --> 30:36.300]  more and more people.
[30:36.700 --> 30:37.900]  That's a great way to do it.
[30:37.900 --> 30:38.400]  I think.
[30:38.800 --> 30:43.200]  Yes, one of the key lessons in writing is show don't tell.
[30:43.900 --> 30:46.400]  You should set the scene rather than tell the reader that
[30:46.400 --> 30:49.800]  they need to know something and it creates for better writing
[30:49.800 --> 30:51.500]  and better enjoyment from the reader.
[30:51.700 --> 30:54.000]  But I would say in life in general, it's actually a good
[30:54.000 --> 30:55.300]  rule of show don't tell.
[30:55.600 --> 30:59.600]  And one of the things that my parents quoted when the
[30:59.600 --> 31:02.300]  drug center was starting was from Saint Francis of Assisi
[31:02.300 --> 31:04.900]  who said preach the gospel at all times, use words if
[31:04.900 --> 31:07.100]  necessary in this idea of show don't tell.
[31:07.200 --> 31:07.600]  Right.
[31:07.600 --> 31:08.900]  Yeah, that's great.
[31:09.200 --> 31:11.700]  You have an interesting title for one of these chapters,
[31:12.000 --> 31:14.000]  an older brother and a missing eyeball.
[31:14.000 --> 31:15.300]  What is that about?
[31:16.100 --> 31:19.600]  So the visits out to the men's residences in the farms were
[31:19.600 --> 31:24.500]  always humorous, odd and memorable.
[31:24.600 --> 31:29.300]  And so in that specific chapter, I was very young.
[31:29.300 --> 31:32.300]  I had to be probably nine or so at the time, but my brothers
[31:32.300 --> 31:34.200]  and I would go out and stay with Raul on the farm.
[31:34.600 --> 31:38.700]  And, you know, one of the addicts, he used to rob stores
[31:38.700 --> 31:43.700]  by taking an axe under his trench coat and destroy things.
[31:43.700 --> 31:47.500]  And another one, he had a pet ferret that he brought into
[31:47.500 --> 31:49.700]  the drug center and he would swim around in the makeshift
[31:49.700 --> 31:50.100]  pool.
[31:50.300 --> 31:55.600]  But one of them had an eyeball that would occasionally fall
[31:55.600 --> 31:58.800]  out when he was playing soccer and football and they'd have
[31:58.800 --> 32:00.600]  to stop the game and search for the eyeball.
[32:00.900 --> 32:03.500]  And then when you subway, you know, one of his eyes, if he
[32:03.500 --> 32:05.100]  fell asleep, one of his eyes would close and the other would
[32:05.100 --> 32:06.300]  just sort of stare at the people.
[32:06.700 --> 32:09.800]  So these were like very interesting characters.
[32:09.800 --> 32:11.900]  They were larger than life in many ways.
[32:11.900 --> 32:14.100]  And what I tried to do in that chapter is sort of give them
[32:14.100 --> 32:17.500]  a flavor for the different characters in the drug center.
[32:17.800 --> 32:18.400]  Yeah, yeah.
[32:18.400 --> 32:22.100]  And so you're living as children in this area, this very poor,
[32:22.100 --> 32:23.200]  very rough area.
[32:23.600 --> 32:27.000]  You play soccer in the streets and it wasn't just the people
[32:27.000 --> 32:28.900]  who had come to your family for help.
[32:28.900 --> 32:32.500]  But you point out that you would see syringes in the street
[32:32.500 --> 32:35.700]  and a lot of things like that, even with blood on them.
[32:35.700 --> 32:38.800]  Talk a little bit about the environment there of that town.
[32:39.400 --> 32:44.400]  Yeah, so Spain in the mid-80s was growing very, very quickly
[32:44.400 --> 32:47.900]  and in 1975, Franco had died and so they transitioned from
[32:47.900 --> 32:49.500]  dictatorship to democracy.
[32:49.800 --> 32:52.400]  So you had this sort of high rate of economic growth, a lot
[32:52.400 --> 32:56.100]  of social housing projects being built at the outskirts of
[32:56.100 --> 33:00.300]  Madrid and then the way Spanish zoning and planning works,
[33:00.300 --> 33:03.500]  basically you have these sort of either high-rise housing
[33:03.500 --> 33:06.400]  and social housing and then like empty fields.
[33:06.400 --> 33:10.700]  And in the empty fields you had behind our house, there was
[33:10.700 --> 33:14.300]  a dump where brick masons and others would dump construction
[33:14.300 --> 33:15.000]  material.
[33:15.400 --> 33:16.600]  There's quite a lot of garbage too.
[33:16.600 --> 33:19.700]  And then further down, two blocks away, there was a gypsy
[33:19.700 --> 33:24.000]  village that had about 3,000 gypsies and they sold a lot of
[33:24.000 --> 33:24.300]  drugs.
[33:24.300 --> 33:25.300]  They certainly weren't the only ones.
[33:25.300 --> 33:26.400]  Spaniards sold them too.
[33:26.700 --> 33:29.200]  But people came from all over Madrid to buy their drugs at
[33:29.200 --> 33:34.900]  this sort of camp called Los Focos and so we would see, you
[33:34.900 --> 33:38.600]  know, the used needles everywhere in the fields by the gypsy
[33:38.600 --> 33:44.100]  camp and generally it had blood that was drying or it dried
[33:44.500 --> 33:49.000]  and it was sort of through that that then, you know, comes
[33:49.000 --> 33:50.800]  about in the book where I talk about how most of the early
[33:50.800 --> 33:56.400]  addicts shared needles and became HIV positive and then in
[33:56.400 --> 33:59.700]  jail one of the addicts, they had like, you know, I think
[33:59.700 --> 34:01.800]  two syringes for 200 inmates.
[34:01.800 --> 34:06.600]  And so the AIDS, the HIV virus spread very, very quickly among
[34:06.600 --> 34:09.900]  the addicts in the mid to early 80s.
[34:11.700 --> 34:13.300]  Yeah, that's one of the things I've talked about in terms of
[34:13.300 --> 34:14.500]  our war on drugs.
[34:14.900 --> 34:19.400]  You know, it has been so fruitless that we've done this
[34:19.400 --> 34:23.700]  over half a century now because it is a spiritual problem at
[34:23.700 --> 34:24.200]  its root.
[34:24.200 --> 34:25.800]  It really is and you're not going to stop it with
[34:25.800 --> 34:26.400]  interdiction.
[34:26.400 --> 34:28.700]  I've talked about you talking about how they're sharing
[34:28.700 --> 34:29.800]  needles in a prison.
[34:29.800 --> 34:32.200]  They don't have enough needles, but they got plenty of drugs.
[34:33.000 --> 34:35.300]  They're doing fine with drugs and we have people in the United
[34:35.300 --> 34:39.000]  States that are dying from overdose in prisons all the time.
[34:39.000 --> 34:42.200]  So what kind of a society do we have to have if you've got to
[34:42.200 --> 34:44.700]  try to interdict that by force?
[34:45.100 --> 34:47.700]  There's something else there that is really the answer.
[34:47.700 --> 34:51.400]  I think and so all this is happening before the AIDS epidemic
[34:51.400 --> 34:54.500]  but then your family winds up at the very center of that.
[34:54.500 --> 34:55.000]  Of course.
[34:55.000 --> 34:56.700]  Now you mentioned heroin over and over again.
[34:56.700 --> 35:00.300]  Is that are there other drugs that people are using or is
[35:00.300 --> 35:02.600]  that kind of the king of it all?
[35:02.800 --> 35:04.900]  Why is so much of a focus on heroin?
[35:05.500 --> 35:08.900]  Yeah, so heroin really was sort of the end of the line where
[35:08.900 --> 35:10.300]  most people didn't start with heroin.
[35:10.700 --> 35:13.600]  They were generally starting, you know, with alcohol and
[35:13.600 --> 35:16.200]  cigarettes, which don't necessarily lead to harder drugs,
[35:16.200 --> 35:21.100]  but then they would do, you know, hashish and cocaine.
[35:21.600 --> 35:26.300]  They were generally doing multiple drugs before they got to
[35:26.300 --> 35:26.800]  heroin.
[35:27.300 --> 35:30.200]  They were rarely starting with it, but heroin was the big
[35:30.200 --> 35:34.600]  drug in the neighborhood and in Madrid at the time and it's
[35:34.600 --> 35:39.400]  certainly the most addictive and the one that has the most
[35:39.400 --> 35:41.600]  impact in terms of taking over people's lives where they need
[35:41.600 --> 35:45.800]  to, you know, constantly be getting drugs to shoot up.
[35:46.200 --> 35:49.800]  Yeah, well, it's interesting and I wonder what the situation
[35:49.800 --> 35:50.600]  is right now.
[35:50.600 --> 35:52.900]  Have they moved on to fentanyl or something like that?
[35:53.700 --> 35:55.300]  But you're out of that scene now, right?
[35:56.000 --> 35:59.100]  Well, in the United States, a lot of the opioids and fentanyl
[35:59.100 --> 36:00.800]  have really taken over in Spain.
[36:01.100 --> 36:03.600]  I think it's starting to I'm out of that, but obviously I speak
[36:03.600 --> 36:06.000]  to my father who still runs the drug rehab center, but there
[36:06.000 --> 36:09.100]  are sort of newer drugs and they're of the same family in
[36:09.100 --> 36:15.100]  terms of like opioids, but heroin is still at least in
[36:15.100 --> 36:16.700]  Madrid is very, very big.
[36:17.000 --> 36:19.300]  Now, what was it that got people off of the drugs because I
[36:19.300 --> 36:23.100]  know that you look at a lot of the secular programs where
[36:23.100 --> 36:26.200]  they're just doing counseling, they'll offer them methadone
[36:26.200 --> 36:29.300]  or something like that as an alternative and then people
[36:29.300 --> 36:30.500]  come addicted to that.
[36:30.800 --> 36:32.800]  What was happening with your family?
[36:32.800 --> 36:35.200]  What what were they doing to get people off of drugs?
[36:35.200 --> 36:36.100]  What was the path?
[36:36.700 --> 36:41.600]  So the the drug center in Betel at the time and still didn't
[36:41.800 --> 36:46.600]  use sort of drug substitutes like methadone and it was just
[36:46.700 --> 36:48.300]  cold turkey to get off.
[36:48.300 --> 36:52.700]  So there was no alcohol nicotine or any other drugs in the
[36:52.700 --> 36:54.700]  program or methadone.
[36:54.700 --> 36:59.400]  The Spanish government didn't and private organizations
[36:59.400 --> 37:04.300]  didn't have any methadone treatments in the 80s in Spain
[37:04.300 --> 37:06.600]  and it really was basically I think in the early 90s that
[37:06.600 --> 37:09.500]  they started giving out quite a lot more methadone and then
[37:09.500 --> 37:11.900]  as they became aware of the AIDS virus, they started giving
[37:11.900 --> 37:15.100]  out tons of little small bleach bottles where even if they
[37:15.100 --> 37:17.600]  were using the same needle, they could at least clean the
[37:17.600 --> 37:20.900]  needles and that came later.
[37:20.900 --> 37:25.000]  One of the issues with methadone is that while there is
[37:25.500 --> 37:27.400]  you know, there is some success with it.
[37:27.400 --> 37:30.700]  Generally people are supplementing their methadone with
[37:30.700 --> 37:31.300]  other drugs.
[37:31.300 --> 37:34.900]  So they're probably drug users and that at least from the
[37:34.900 --> 37:39.500]  research that I've seen is backing your point.
[37:39.700 --> 37:43.400]  It's not a purely physical addiction that causes the whole
[37:43.400 --> 37:44.900]  addiction problem.
[37:44.900 --> 37:48.100]  There's generally other things that drive people to take drugs
[37:48.100 --> 37:51.100]  whether it's for example in the neighborhood at the time very
[37:51.100 --> 37:54.700]  high youth unemployment rate and drugs entering a lot of young
[37:54.700 --> 37:56.600]  people, you know, were not in school.
[37:56.600 --> 37:59.000]  They were not working and plenty of time to experiment with
[37:59.000 --> 37:59.500]  drugs.
[37:59.500 --> 38:04.100]  And so if you did get off heroin, but go back to hang out
[38:04.100 --> 38:05.100]  with the exact same friends.
[38:05.100 --> 38:08.200]  You were doing heroin before, you know, you're likely to get
[38:08.200 --> 38:09.000]  right back on it.
[38:09.000 --> 38:14.500]  And so the change in the lifestyle the change in the
[38:14.800 --> 38:18.100]  surroundings that the you know, dealing with underlying problems
[38:18.100 --> 38:19.400]  is generally much more effective.
[38:19.700 --> 38:23.200]  And so a lot of the men and women program, you know, didn't
[38:23.200 --> 38:24.600]  go back to their old friends.
[38:24.600 --> 38:26.800]  They stayed in the program and tried to bring in the friends
[38:26.800 --> 38:30.100]  to the program or tried to go out and have different friends,
[38:30.100 --> 38:34.600]  you know, who were not involved in the same habit talking
[38:34.600 --> 38:37.300]  about how your family was in your own little universe.
[38:37.700 --> 38:38.800]  What was the life for you?
[38:38.800 --> 38:41.100]  I mean your American kids are speaking English.
[38:41.100 --> 38:43.100]  I mean, I'm sure he spoke Spanish a lot as well.
[38:43.100 --> 38:46.900]  But, you know, are you there immersed in the Spanish school
[38:46.900 --> 38:48.300]  system or your home school?
[38:48.800 --> 38:50.500]  What that look like on a daily basis?
[38:51.100 --> 38:54.400]  Yeah, so we were briefly in the Spanish school system, but
[38:54.400 --> 38:57.100]  then there was a very small missionary school that my
[38:57.100 --> 39:01.300]  parents sent us to and there were many years where my
[39:01.300 --> 39:04.200]  parents didn't have enough money to send us even to that
[39:04.200 --> 39:05.200]  missionary school.
[39:05.300 --> 39:07.800]  Missionaries tend not to have very much money and some years
[39:08.200 --> 39:10.800]  there were not a lot of tithes and in the late 1980s the
[39:10.800 --> 39:13.700]  dollar lost about half its value versus the peseta after
[39:13.700 --> 39:14.500]  the Plaza Cords.
[39:14.900 --> 39:17.700]  And so we were home school for about two years by my mother
[39:18.500 --> 39:22.000]  and there's a chapter called Our Own Little Universe.
[39:22.300 --> 39:25.400]  My parents were highly literate and used to have very long
[39:25.400 --> 39:28.700]  devotionals in the morning and after dinner, which we hated
[39:28.700 --> 39:33.000]  at the time where they'd read things like St. Augustine's
[39:33.000 --> 39:34.700]  City of God and T.S.
[39:34.700 --> 39:38.700]  Eliot and while I hated it at the time, I think it really
[39:38.700 --> 39:43.000]  did provide us with a great education and we had this
[39:43.000 --> 39:45.800]  sort of very strange life hyper literate life at home and
[39:45.800 --> 39:49.800]  then going out and spending time on the farms with the
[39:49.800 --> 39:52.400]  recovering addicts and playing soccer out the street.
[39:52.400 --> 39:57.800]  So and that continued throughout our entire educational
[39:57.800 --> 39:58.400]  life.
[39:58.900 --> 39:59.800]  That's kind of interesting.
[39:59.800 --> 40:03.600]  Yeah, that's something that I did with our kids on when we
[40:03.600 --> 40:04.300]  were homeschooling them.
[40:04.300 --> 40:07.700]  I I bored them to death reading to them, but actually they
[40:07.700 --> 40:08.900]  got to where they liked it.
[40:09.100 --> 40:12.400]  We tried to teach them to read at the very beginning and
[40:12.400 --> 40:14.500]  they pushed back on it, you know, they were not interested
[40:14.500 --> 40:15.100]  in those books.
[40:15.100 --> 40:17.900]  And so we kind of thought well, let's regroup this and see
[40:17.900 --> 40:20.800]  how we can approach it and decided that what we would do
[40:20.800 --> 40:23.000]  is try to build a love of literature for them.
[40:23.000 --> 40:26.900]  So I was the one who's going to read all the books to them
[40:26.900 --> 40:29.200]  and that's basically how it worked.
[40:29.200 --> 40:31.000]  I guess it kind of worked that way with you as well.
[40:31.000 --> 40:33.700]  You talked about how there was a tremendous amount of books
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[42:15.900 --> 42:18.600]  Yes, I think one of the most important things for teaching
[42:18.700 --> 42:22.100]  is not necessarily conveying specific information, but
[42:22.100 --> 42:25.000]  rather cultivating that love of learning, that curiosity.
[42:25.400 --> 42:28.900]  And I think if parents or teachers do that, then the kids
[42:28.900 --> 42:30.500]  will end up teaching themselves.
[42:30.500 --> 42:34.000]  So they will have the desire to go pick up the books to read
[42:34.000 --> 42:35.000]  great works of literature.
[42:35.200 --> 42:38.300]  We had encyclopedias, National Geographic, and so we spent
[42:38.300 --> 42:40.600]  a lot of our time just randomly pulling them off the shelves
[42:40.600 --> 42:41.100]  and reading.
[42:41.500 --> 42:42.800]  I absolutely loved it.
[42:42.800 --> 42:45.700]  And then we ended up working our way through our parents
[42:46.100 --> 42:48.400]  library when we were homeschooled.
[42:48.400 --> 42:52.000]  And then when we were able to go back to school, that practice
[42:52.000 --> 42:57.000]  and habit of sort of reading for ourselves continued.
[42:57.300 --> 43:01.100]  And then when I went off to college, I realized that actually
[43:01.100 --> 43:03.500]  I was like fairly bored in a lot of my classes and ended up
[43:03.500 --> 43:06.800]  doing quite a lot of advanced studies and research projects
[43:06.800 --> 43:10.000]  with professors because I realized that was the way I enjoyed
[43:10.100 --> 43:12.400]  learning most and unfortunately the professors were kind
[43:12.400 --> 43:13.300]  enough to indulge me.
[43:13.600 --> 43:14.200]  That's great.
[43:14.200 --> 43:16.600]  Yeah, you point out that you and your brothers learned that
[43:16.600 --> 43:19.500]  you could teach yourselves anything from books.
[43:19.800 --> 43:20.800]  I think that's the key thing.
[43:20.800 --> 43:24.400]  I think having the tools of learning, somebody expressed it
[43:24.400 --> 43:27.200]  as saying, you know, when we're teaching and this is something
[43:27.200 --> 43:29.100]  people need to think about when they're doing homeschooling.
[43:29.400 --> 43:31.800]  It's not the filling of a bucket, but it's a lighting of
[43:31.800 --> 43:34.100]  a fire that you're trying to get, right?
[43:34.100 --> 43:37.000]  That love of learning or that love of finding out that
[43:37.000 --> 43:37.800]  information.
[43:38.200 --> 43:39.400]  And that's the key thing.
[43:39.400 --> 43:41.400]  Sounds like that's what your parents did with you as well.
[43:42.100 --> 43:43.100]  Yeah, absolutely.
[43:43.500 --> 43:47.400]  And I think if you do that, then it comes from inside.
[43:47.400 --> 43:50.400]  It's the students who want to, you know, and I had different
[43:50.400 --> 43:53.200]  interests my brothers had, but each one of us then had the
[43:53.200 --> 43:55.600]  desire to go off and follow our own passions.
[43:56.400 --> 44:01.300]  You talk about how you you went back to America and you had
[44:01.300 --> 44:03.800]  a tragedy that happened in your family in a car accident.
[44:03.800 --> 44:04.800]  Tell us a bit about that.
[44:05.600 --> 44:11.300]  Yes, so missionaries and it depends, it varies by mission,
[44:11.300 --> 44:13.600]  but generally they'll go back for what's called a furlough
[44:13.600 --> 44:15.300]  and that might be every three years or four years.
[44:16.000 --> 44:17.900]  We would go back every four years.
[44:18.200 --> 44:23.100]  And so in 1991, we were visiting my mother's family staying
[44:23.100 --> 44:25.800]  in Wilmington, North Carolina and my father wanted to go on
[44:25.800 --> 44:27.300]  a road trip to Kitty Hawk.
[44:27.300 --> 44:32.100]  And so we were driving there and my older brother who was
[44:32.100 --> 44:38.000]  just about to turn 17 was driving and the car went off
[44:38.000 --> 44:41.100]  the road on a country on a bend in the country road and my
[44:41.100 --> 44:43.700]  youngest brother Timothy who I was closest to and I used to
[44:43.700 --> 44:47.000]  walk him to school every day and cared for him.
[44:47.600 --> 44:52.400]  He died in that car accident and it completely changed my
[44:52.400 --> 44:54.500]  life. It changed my entire family's life that you know,
[44:54.500 --> 44:56.800]  really there really is only before and after you know,
[44:56.800 --> 45:01.100]  when you have a family faces a tragedy like that and the
[45:01.700 --> 45:04.900]  after he died, we all grieved differently.
[45:04.900 --> 45:08.800]  I think often there's research and statistics showing that
[45:08.800 --> 45:11.200]  obviously it leads to increase in divorce rates and couples
[45:11.200 --> 45:13.200]  because the husbands and the wife grieve differently.
[45:13.900 --> 45:16.900]  It affected my brothers and me and our personality, but much
[45:16.900 --> 45:20.600]  more broadly a lot of the men and our families in Madrid
[45:20.700 --> 45:21.400]  in our neighborhood.
[45:22.200 --> 45:25.800]  They lost sons and daughters to overdoses and then to AIDS
[45:26.200 --> 45:30.600]  and I think it made us much more loving and empathetic to
[45:30.600 --> 45:32.600]  them and understanding their loss.
[45:32.900 --> 45:35.400]  And I think they also realized my parents didn't leave the
[45:35.400 --> 45:37.200]  mission field or go back to United States.
[45:37.500 --> 45:41.000]  They continued working trying to help others and so I think
[45:41.000 --> 45:44.300]  they realized that you know, we were sort of just like them
[45:44.300 --> 45:49.500]  and you know, no one in life is spared a sickness or death
[45:49.800 --> 45:54.200]  and it really was the defining event of my life certainly
[45:54.500 --> 45:59.500]  and I hope it's led us all to have more love and compassion
[45:59.500 --> 46:00.100]  and empathy.
[46:00.400 --> 46:02.400]  How old was Timothy when he died?
[46:02.900 --> 46:04.500]  It was a week before he turned 10.
[46:04.700 --> 46:05.200]  Wow.
[46:06.000 --> 46:08.800]  And you pointed out in your book that you and he as you
[46:08.800 --> 46:12.500]  just said were very very close on issues.
[46:12.500 --> 46:15.900]  You were five years older than him and you both shared love
[46:15.900 --> 46:19.200]  of jazz you said and the two of you were talking about what
[46:19.200 --> 46:20.000]  you wanted to do in life.
[46:20.000 --> 46:21.600]  Did were you a musician?
[46:21.600 --> 46:23.800]  Did you guys aspire to being musicians because you were
[46:23.800 --> 46:25.100]  about 15 years old or so?
[46:25.100 --> 46:28.600]  Yeah, I used to play the trumpet and I think our dreams
[46:28.600 --> 46:31.700]  of course were always exceeded our abilities, but we
[46:31.700 --> 46:32.400]  certainly...
[46:32.700 --> 46:34.100]  For all of us of course, yeah.
[46:34.200 --> 46:37.800]  Yes, we loved listening to jazz and when we went back to
[46:37.800 --> 46:40.700]  the library in Wilmington, North Carolina, which was down
[46:40.700 --> 46:44.000]  near the Cotton Exchange, you know the public library we
[46:44.000 --> 46:47.600]  could rent or sorry check out as many books or recordings
[46:47.600 --> 46:49.800]  that we wanted and we just absolutely loved listening to
[46:50.200 --> 46:56.000]  Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Louis Armstrong and so we
[46:56.000 --> 46:58.300]  loved Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker.
[46:58.300 --> 47:01.100]  They were the great duo and so I was going to be Dizzy
[47:01.100 --> 47:04.100]  Gillespie on my trumpet and he was he just got my saxophone
[47:04.100 --> 47:06.500]  for the you know a month before he died and he was going
[47:06.500 --> 47:09.600]  to be like Charlie Parker and in the book I touch on the
[47:09.600 --> 47:14.100]  fact that almost all of these guys were either heroin addicts
[47:14.100 --> 47:17.900]  or you know drugs and alcoholism as well in the case of
[47:17.900 --> 47:23.300]  like Stan Getz, but the it's interesting in John Coltrane
[47:23.400 --> 47:26.400]  got off heroin and he had a religious experience and he
[47:26.400 --> 47:29.900]  recorded an entire album called A Love Supreme which is
[47:30.100 --> 47:33.100]  about God and so it was very interesting the parallels
[47:33.100 --> 47:35.400]  between the jazz musicians and the addicts we were growing
[47:35.400 --> 47:38.100]  up around and so I have a few pages in there on that which
[47:38.100 --> 47:41.000]  was sort of a yeah we were really into at the time.
[47:41.200 --> 47:42.700]  I didn't know that about John Coltrane.
[47:42.700 --> 47:46.000]  I didn't know that he got off of it had a religious experience
[47:46.000 --> 47:47.300]  Christian experience that he had.
[47:47.400 --> 47:47.800]  Yeah.
[47:48.000 --> 47:48.300]  Wow.
[47:48.400 --> 47:48.900]  Interesting.
[47:49.200 --> 47:52.700]  Yeah, it's kind of you know, I actually played once with
[47:52.700 --> 47:54.100]  Dizzy Gillespie in college.
[47:54.300 --> 47:55.800]  We paid him to play with us.
[47:56.600 --> 48:00.200]  He came for a concert series and so the jazz band we had
[48:00.200 --> 48:04.100]  in college is Dizzy Gillespie boy had a set of chops cheeks
[48:04.100 --> 48:05.700]  that went out there.
[48:06.500 --> 48:10.200]  It was very unusual and quite a trademark.
[48:10.300 --> 48:12.900]  I think that helped is his popularity quite a bit.
[48:12.900 --> 48:15.900]  It certainly was an interesting way to look at.
[48:15.900 --> 48:20.200]  We also had Maynard Ferguson and Don Ellis at the thing.
[48:20.200 --> 48:23.200]  And so yeah, I was very much involved in that but I was
[48:23.300 --> 48:26.300]  again as you point out my dreams were bigger than my
[48:26.300 --> 48:27.700]  achievements in that area.
[48:27.900 --> 48:31.000]  But when you get into the music world like that you do see
[48:31.000 --> 48:35.000]  a lot of drugs, especially if you're playing as a musician
[48:35.000 --> 48:37.400]  and they still had live music back in those days.
[48:37.700 --> 48:39.700]  And what was it?
[48:40.600 --> 48:43.900]  Did you ever have a situation where you looked at people
[48:43.900 --> 48:47.100]  as you got older if you look to people and you saw them
[48:47.300 --> 48:52.300]  doing drugs and other things and you were tempted in that
[48:52.300 --> 48:54.300]  or you thought about doing that you ever have a situation
[48:54.300 --> 48:55.900]  like that being immersed in that environment.
[48:56.600 --> 49:00.600]  So there's always a lot of curiosity in terms of you know,
[49:00.700 --> 49:04.500]  what's the physical sensation like and I do deal with that
[49:04.500 --> 49:06.700]  a little bit in the book and you know, I was curious as
[49:06.800 --> 49:09.500]  to how much did it cost to get a gram of heroin and how
[49:09.500 --> 49:11.000]  did you prepare it and all these kinds of things.
[49:11.000 --> 49:13.100]  But I never ever did drugs.
[49:13.100 --> 49:15.800]  I knew people who had died of overdoses.
[49:15.800 --> 49:21.400]  I had seen people being tended to be taken in ambulances
[49:22.100 --> 49:25.600]  who would overdose by the gypsy camp and it was just not
[49:25.600 --> 49:28.500]  something that I ever wanted to do because you know,
[49:28.700 --> 49:31.100]  there's always the possibility of overdosing too.
[49:31.900 --> 49:36.900]  And so it was something that I never even experimented with.
[49:38.400 --> 49:39.300]  And that's a key thing.
[49:39.300 --> 49:44.000]  I think you know, when we look at this and people that we
[49:44.000 --> 49:47.500]  are around that we when we see alcoholism when we see drug
[49:47.500 --> 49:49.500]  addiction or some of these other things and we see how
[49:50.200 --> 49:53.400]  it has been so destructive on these people's lives.
[49:53.400 --> 49:56.200]  I think that's a real deterrent certainly was for me,
[49:56.200 --> 50:00.100]  you know being around that in some regards, but also, you
[50:00.100 --> 50:02.800]  know growing up in a family like yours where that was not
[50:02.800 --> 50:03.200]  done.
[50:03.200 --> 50:05.700]  And so you see these two different worlds contrasted and
[50:05.700 --> 50:07.600]  it's like, yeah, I really don't want that.
[50:07.900 --> 50:09.300]  I think it's a valuable lesson.
[50:10.200 --> 50:10.600]  Yes.
[50:10.600 --> 50:14.000]  And I think that unfortunately some people, you know, are
[50:14.000 --> 50:15.800]  exposed to it and still do it.
[50:15.800 --> 50:18.400]  But it was certainly it's a it can be a very good antidote.
[50:19.500 --> 50:20.900]  It even put me off of dancing.
[50:20.900 --> 50:25.300]  I got to say he's the one he's the one he's I say running
[50:25.300 --> 50:27.500]  joke with my wife and I was like, I'm sorry.
[50:27.500 --> 50:28.200]  I'm not going to dance.
[50:28.200 --> 50:32.600]  Watch too many drunk people out there dancing and put me off
[50:32.600 --> 50:34.800]  of that in just a small way.
[50:34.800 --> 50:35.900]  That's just a small part of it.
[50:35.900 --> 50:38.200]  But in the bigger picture you see that as well.
[50:38.600 --> 50:43.600]  Now you talk about your calling and something that you saw on
[50:43.600 --> 50:44.800]  an inscription on a wall.
[50:44.800 --> 50:45.900]  Tell us a little bit about that.
[50:46.300 --> 50:49.200]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson and I want you to pause what you're
[50:49.200 --> 50:53.200]  doing for just one minute and I want you to hear about love
[50:53.200 --> 50:55.000]  generosity and compassion.
[50:55.000 --> 50:58.200]  We say those words all the time and they sound good.
[50:58.200 --> 50:59.000]  They feel good.
[50:59.300 --> 51:00.600]  But here's the truth.
[51:00.800 --> 51:04.800]  Those words don't mean anything unless they turn into action.
[51:05.100 --> 51:08.300]  And right now not later today, not tomorrow.
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[52:24.500 --> 52:29.400]  Yes, so the early addicts shared needles become HIV positive
[52:29.400 --> 52:32.500]  and then the average incubation periods about five years
[52:32.500 --> 52:36.800]  and for some it's much shorter for some it's longer but most
[52:36.800 --> 52:40.400]  of the early generation of addicts were spending quite a
[52:40.400 --> 52:43.800]  lot of time in the hospital in the late 80s early 90s and
[52:43.800 --> 52:47.000]  many died there but I used to go visit them in junior high
[52:47.100 --> 52:50.600]  and high school evenings and weekends and then the main
[52:50.600 --> 52:54.700]  hospital Madrid where they would take the addicts for AIDS
[52:54.700 --> 52:58.600]  was Ramón y Cajal and it was named after the first Spaniard
[52:58.600 --> 53:03.300]  to win a Nobel Prize in medicine and in science and at the
[53:03.300 --> 53:04.600]  entrance to the hospital.
[53:04.600 --> 53:08.400]  There's a quote from him and it said todo hombre puede ser
[53:08.400 --> 53:10.900]  el escultor de su propio cerebro si se lo propone which is
[53:11.300 --> 53:14.200]  every man can become the sculptor of his own mind if he
[53:14.200 --> 53:19.300]  sets himself the task and that quote was deeply inspiring
[53:19.500 --> 53:23.700]  to me and particularly after my brother died where I found
[53:24.300 --> 53:26.000]  solace or escape in books.
[53:26.900 --> 53:30.900]  You know the idea that I could be the sculptor of my own
[53:30.900 --> 53:31.300]  mind.
[53:31.300 --> 53:36.500]  I could develop my mind was something that inspired me and
[53:36.500 --> 53:38.300]  it still does to this day.
[53:38.300 --> 53:41.300]  That was one of the great experiences of my life seeing
[53:41.300 --> 53:44.300]  that quote and then trying to apply it.
[53:45.300 --> 53:47.000]  And how did you apply that in your life?
[53:47.000 --> 53:50.300]  You say you went to University in the United States and what
[53:50.300 --> 53:52.200]  did you study and what you wind up doing?
[53:52.200 --> 53:53.000]  How did that affect you?
[53:53.900 --> 53:56.900]  So when I got to I went to the University of North Carolina
[53:56.900 --> 54:01.500]  at Chapel Hill and I wasn't very good socially.
[54:01.500 --> 54:03.600]  I didn't have that many friends.
[54:03.600 --> 54:09.900]  I went in 94 that was the 94 95 was the peak of death from
[54:09.900 --> 54:10.300]  AIDS.
[54:10.300 --> 54:12.600]  And so a lot of my friends were still in Madrid and I didn't
[54:12.600 --> 54:15.700]  know if I'd be able to get back and see them again.
[54:16.000 --> 54:21.000]  And so I really withdrew and poured all my energies into my
[54:21.000 --> 54:25.000]  studies, you know, but I studied economics and history at
[54:25.000 --> 54:26.800]  Chapel Hill and I ended up graduating with highest honors
[54:26.800 --> 54:32.100]  and history and honors and economics and I partly in a
[54:32.100 --> 54:35.200]  financial need trying to get a lot of scholarships and
[54:35.200 --> 54:38.800]  fellowships, but also I think, you know, I was trying to make
[54:38.800 --> 54:42.800]  my brother and Timothy proud, you know, of me was trying to
[54:42.800 --> 54:47.000]  live a life for two and then in my my senior year, you know,
[54:47.000 --> 54:51.000]  I applied and was enormously fortunate that I was able to
[54:51.000 --> 54:54.200]  become a Rhodes Scholar and go off to Oxford.
[54:54.200 --> 54:54.800]  Wow.
[54:54.800 --> 54:55.900]  What was that like?
[54:55.900 --> 55:02.700]  That's a very from the slums of Spain where there's heroin
[55:02.700 --> 55:04.200]  on the streets anything to Oxford.
[55:04.200 --> 55:06.400]  What kind of a culture shock was that for you?
[55:06.400 --> 55:13.600]  You know, it was pretty big, but it felt like an immense
[55:13.600 --> 55:14.000]  relief.
[55:14.000 --> 55:18.300]  My parents had sacrificed an enormous amount and over the
[55:18.300 --> 55:20.500]  years and whenever they did have money, they would give it
[55:20.500 --> 55:24.600]  to the drug rehab center, but I felt that what they had done
[55:24.600 --> 55:30.400]  is give us the gift of learning and reading and so the the
[55:30.400 --> 55:33.200]  Rhodes application and interview itself.
[55:33.200 --> 55:36.200]  It was it's very very difficult things to statistically to get
[55:36.200 --> 55:39.500]  and I think my year or something like 990 nominations
[55:39.500 --> 55:45.800]  and 32 scholarships and so it totally changed my life.
[55:45.800 --> 55:48.000]  I don't know where I would be or what I'd be doing otherwise,
[55:48.000 --> 55:52.200]  but it allowed me to go to Oxford and I met an enormous
[55:52.200 --> 55:56.400]  amount of very interesting people that I'm still most many
[55:56.400 --> 55:56.600]  of them.
[55:56.600 --> 55:59.400]  I'm still friends with today and absolutely love but it was
[55:59.400 --> 56:00.200]  and even there again.
[56:00.200 --> 56:04.000]  It was a bit schizophrenic leave Oxford and go back to
[56:05.000 --> 56:09.600]  visit friends in Marseille or Naples and work in the drug
[56:09.600 --> 56:15.500]  rehabs like in my Oxford breaks, you know, well talking about
[56:15.500 --> 56:17.300]  the extremes of life again.
[56:17.300 --> 56:19.100]  We're talking to Jonathan Tepper.
[56:19.100 --> 56:23.900]  The book is shooting up a memoir of heroin AIDS love and loss
[56:23.900 --> 56:27.900]  and you had so many people that you loved and lost because of
[56:27.900 --> 56:31.400]  AIDS and as this all began, I remember in the United States
[56:31.400 --> 56:35.700]  everybody was uncertain of how it was being passed along and
[56:35.700 --> 56:39.400]  there were concerns about even you know, well if this is going
[56:39.400 --> 56:42.300]  to be passed in the blood can we is this something that we
[56:42.300 --> 56:44.600]  can get from mosquitoes or something like that.
[56:44.600 --> 56:48.800]  Well, what was that the fear of that like there in the area
[56:48.800 --> 56:50.300]  and epicenter really of that?
[56:51.600 --> 56:55.600]  I still remember vividly when my parents told us about the
[56:55.600 --> 57:00.200]  virus because we had been out playing soccer and came in too
[57:00.200 --> 57:03.300]  late for dinner and I thought they were going to punish us.
[57:03.300 --> 57:04.200]  They called us into the living room.
[57:04.200 --> 57:07.600]  If they're going to punish us for staying out too late and
[57:07.600 --> 57:09.800]  instead they told us about the virus and they told us about
[57:09.800 --> 57:13.400]  how it was transmitted and in 1985 they did know how it was
[57:13.400 --> 57:14.100]  transmitted.
[57:14.100 --> 57:16.200]  They knew that it came from either bodily fluids.
[57:16.900 --> 57:19.300]  So you know, it's sex which obviously were too young for
[57:19.300 --> 57:22.100]  its time or sharing needles, which we didn't do but they told
[57:22.100 --> 57:24.800]  us to you know, not touch the dirty needles, which we took is
[57:24.800 --> 57:25.400]  obvious.
[57:25.700 --> 57:29.700]  So I almost wondered why they were telling us that but even
[57:29.700 --> 57:35.000]  so in society at large there was still this enormous irrational
[57:35.000 --> 57:37.800]  fear of people with AIDS, you know where you couldn't get it
[57:37.800 --> 57:40.600]  by shaking their hand or hugging them or giving them a kiss
[57:40.600 --> 57:43.300]  on the cheek as one does in Spain to you know, both cheeks
[57:43.300 --> 57:49.700]  to men and women to say hi and some of my early memories of
[57:50.500 --> 57:52.400]  I didn't go to the hospital because my parents were thought
[57:52.400 --> 57:54.800]  I was too young but my father went and told the stories and
[57:54.800 --> 57:58.000]  then when I went you could see it sometimes even family
[57:58.000 --> 58:02.200]  members were afraid to go and hug their own children, you
[58:02.200 --> 58:06.000]  know, were HIV positive and I think the level of ignorance
[58:06.000 --> 58:08.800]  was very high for many many years even after it was well
[58:08.800 --> 58:12.800]  established how it was spread or not and the people with AIDS
[58:12.800 --> 58:16.000]  in the 1980s whether it was gays in the United States, which
[58:16.000 --> 58:18.700]  is where it started and was the main or Spain, which is
[58:18.700 --> 58:23.300]  in your Venus drug use really were sort of the lepers and
[58:23.400 --> 58:28.500]  outcasts in the 1980s and my parents view was that if you
[58:28.500 --> 58:32.100]  read the New Testament Jesus spent time, you know with the
[58:32.100 --> 58:37.100]  lepers healing them with the outcasts and so my we never
[58:37.100 --> 58:39.300]  treated anyone any differently and my parents, you know,
[58:39.300 --> 58:41.500]  thought it was the essence of the Christian love and
[58:41.500 --> 58:43.900]  compassion to try to show love to them.
[58:44.500 --> 58:49.000]  Yeah, I remember watching a been her with my kids and Travis
[58:49.000 --> 58:52.200]  was we were watching it and at one point, you know, leprosy
[58:52.200 --> 58:52.700]  is at center.
[58:52.700 --> 58:55.400]  I've been when the characters get slippery and at one point
[58:55.400 --> 58:58.500]  the main character reaches over and touches and he jumped
[58:58.500 --> 59:01.600]  like it was some kind of a slasher film or something so it
[59:01.600 --> 59:05.700]  is that you see these horrible wasting diseases that people
[59:05.700 --> 59:06.200]  are concerned.
[59:06.200 --> 59:09.900]  They're going to get and it is understandable how people
[59:09.900 --> 59:10.600]  feel that way.
[59:10.600 --> 59:14.700]  But now all the people that you were involved in, especially
[59:14.700 --> 59:18.700]  the early people that you became very close to some of
[59:18.700 --> 59:20.800]  the first addicts that came into the program.
[59:21.100 --> 59:22.600]  They all wound up getting AIDS, right?
[59:22.600 --> 59:24.000]  Was it fatal for all of us?
[59:24.600 --> 59:26.000]  Yes, for almost all of them.
[59:26.000 --> 59:28.800]  There's one or two from the very early days who are still
[59:28.800 --> 59:32.300]  alive, but like that early generation that I met on the
[59:32.300 --> 59:36.000]  streets, they died in 1994.
[59:36.000 --> 59:41.000]  Well, even before but the peak was 94 95 and the comedy
[59:41.000 --> 59:43.500]  and other main character in the book was like an older
[59:43.500 --> 59:44.700]  brother 96.
[59:45.500 --> 59:50.100]  So it was it was an entire generation of addicts, you
[59:50.100 --> 59:52.000]  know, who ended up dying.
[59:52.000 --> 59:54.700]  And so it wasn't just one loss.
[59:54.700 --> 59:58.000]  It really was like, you know, being in a war zone where
[59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.300]  there are dozens and dozens of deaths and it really did
[01:00:01.300 --> 01:00:03.900]  mark me and the drug rehab center.
[01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:07.200]  And even at the time it's, you know, my parents organized
[01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:09.800]  the conference about AIDS so people could ask questions
[01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:10.900]  and talk to each other about it.
[01:00:11.600 --> 01:00:13.100]  And then we knew about it.
[01:00:13.100 --> 01:00:15.000]  But I think everyone just sort of got on with their lives
[01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.200]  and tried to help other people.
[01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:19.200]  It was only in the 20th year anniversary of the drug rehab
[01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:22.400]  center when you know, they were doing a video and slideshow
[01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.300]  of the history of the center and they had, you know, the
[01:00:25.300 --> 01:00:27.700]  friends that we've lost and they had photos of a lot of
[01:00:27.700 --> 01:00:28.400]  the early people.
[01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:30.800]  And this was at the time I started writing the books.
[01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.100]  I wrote this about 20 years ago and just put it aside and
[01:00:34.100 --> 01:00:36.500]  I was just struck by the number of people, you know, one
[01:00:36.500 --> 01:00:39.800]  after the other in that that slideshow and it's and then
[01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.500]  that's I think when the magnitude of the loss and what
[01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:47.500]  we had actually lived through really hit me truly is an
[01:00:47.600 --> 01:00:50.700]  amazing life that you had there and your parents looked
[01:00:50.700 --> 01:00:51.200]  at the fullest.
[01:00:51.200 --> 01:00:54.800]  Your mother has passed away, but your dad is still at this
[01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:55.500]  work, isn't he?
[01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.700]  Yes, he's 79.
[01:00:57.900 --> 01:01:01.300]  He had a minor stroke last year, which fortunately he's
[01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:02.700]  recovered from very well.
[01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:06.500]  And he wants to work helping others until the day he dies.
[01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.800]  And I think he will.
[01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:09.500]  I hope he will.
[01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:13.800]  He's an old lion and his work, he doesn't want to retire.
[01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:15.000]  He just wants to help other people.
[01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:18.500]  You talked about as he's reading at the at the dinner
[01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:19.000]  table.
[01:01:19.300 --> 01:01:22.300]  He calls it as pontifications as he's teaching you in that.
[01:01:22.700 --> 01:01:23.700]  What about your brothers?
[01:01:23.700 --> 01:01:25.100]  Did any of them get involved in that?
[01:01:25.100 --> 01:01:26.700]  What did they wind up doing in their lives?
[01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:30.500]  So my older brother David did work quite a few years running
[01:01:30.500 --> 01:01:32.000]  the drug rehab Center in New York City.
[01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.600]  So he'd been an accountant and so his background in training
[01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:40.000]  was in business and accounting, but he worked with my parents
[01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:40.600]  for a while.
[01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:44.700]  He had an autistic son and ended up for family reasons.
[01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:47.600]  Leaving the drug rehab Center ran his own accounting and
[01:01:47.600 --> 01:01:48.700]  investment practice.
[01:01:48.700 --> 01:01:50.700]  And now he works with me running private capital.
[01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:54.500]  And then my younger brother, Peter, he well, he and David
[01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:58.100]  actually both went and got Oxford degrees after I did and
[01:01:58.100 --> 01:02:01.600]  they studied theology, but Peter ended up staying on and
[01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:04.400]  became a student chaplain at St.
[01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:05.200]  Old Bates Oxford.
[01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:08.200]  It's an Anglican Church and then he moved to Florida and
[01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:11.900]  now pastors and Anglican Church in or Episcopalian Church
[01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:13.100]  in Florida.
[01:02:13.100 --> 01:02:16.200]  So he stayed, you know, further and closer to what my
[01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:18.600]  parents were doing in terms of a ministry, but my brother
[01:02:18.600 --> 01:02:21.400]  David and I, you know, work in investing.
[01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:22.800]  Where is he in Florida?
[01:02:23.100 --> 01:02:24.000]  I grew up in Florida.
[01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.100]  Yes, he is.
[01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:29.900]  I think he lives in DeLand and I think his church is in
[01:02:31.700 --> 01:02:32.900]  my mind's going blank right now.
[01:02:32.900 --> 01:02:33.800]  It's right outside.
[01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.200]  It's near near the coast.
[01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:38.800]  It's one of these it's I grew up in Tampa is reasonably asking
[01:02:39.100 --> 01:02:42.000]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson and I want you to pause what you're
[01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.200]  doing for just one minute and I want you to hear about
[01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:46.000]  Alejandra.
[01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:50.100]  She lives in a remote community with very few resources and
[01:02:50.100 --> 01:02:51.900]  little to no health care.
[01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.300]  So when Alejandra gets sick her parents have no real options
[01:02:56.500 --> 01:03:01.100]  no doctors in their community and no money for real medical
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[01:04:38.600 --> 01:04:42.100]  I was just thinking about how our paths probably cross one
[01:04:42.100 --> 01:04:45.600]  time or the other because we were there near Chapel Hills
[01:04:45.600 --> 01:04:48.300]  where we lived right about the time that you were there.
[01:04:48.300 --> 01:04:51.900]  So probably ships have passed in the night who knows.
[01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:57.700]  So it is a fascinating book your parents and your family
[01:04:57.700 --> 01:05:01.300]  had a fascinating life and and it is a life of love and
[01:05:01.300 --> 01:05:03.800]  accomplishment that I think you can all be proud of and
[01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:07.000]  I think it's really important for us to go back and look at
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:08.400]  these true life stories.
[01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.500]  I I prefer you know truth is always stranger than fiction
[01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:16.300]  and it is always much more important of course.
[01:05:16.300 --> 01:05:20.600]  And so I think we can all learn a lot from these true stories
[01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:23.000]  and like I said before at the very beginning of this.
[01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.400]  I really like these stories of people talking about their
[01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:29.200]  childhood as an adult and the perspective that they have on
[01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:33.300]  it as they get further along in life and as their adults.
[01:05:33.700 --> 01:05:35.400]  So thank you so much for joining us.
[01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.200]  Jonathan Tepper and the book is shooting up a memoir of heroin
[01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:44.000]  AIDS love and loss and people can pre book this now right
[01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:45.200]  when is this coming out?
[01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.700]  It'll be out next week inside.
[01:05:47.700 --> 01:05:49.900]  I don't know when the podcast will be released but it'll be
[01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:50.300]  out.
[01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:53.200]  I think February 17th and they can buy it wherever they buy
[01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:57.500]  books Amazon Barnes and Noble or their local bookstore again.
[01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:00.500]  The title is shooting up a memoir of heroin AIDS love and
[01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:00.900]  loss.
[01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:02.600]  The author is Jonathan Tepper.
[01:06:02.600 --> 01:06:04.100]  Thank you so much Jonathan.
[01:06:04.100 --> 01:06:07.400]  Thank you for sharing your life and your story and look forward
[01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:08.700]  to reading the full thing.
[01:06:08.700 --> 01:06:11.900]  I've got the synopsis here that but looking forward to reading
[01:06:11.900 --> 01:06:12.400]  the whole thing.
[01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:13.100]  Thank you so much.
[01:06:13.100 --> 01:06:13.800]  Thank you so much.
[01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:14.200]  Thank you.
[01:06:14.200 --> 01:06:15.300]  It's been an absolute pleasure.
[01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:15.700]  Thank you.
[01:06:15.700 --> 01:06:16.300]  Have a good day.
[01:06:16.700 --> 01:06:17.300]  Thanks you too.
[01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:52.700]  Making sense.
[01:07:52.700 --> 01:07:53.900]  Common again.
[01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.000]  You're listening to the David Knight show.
[01:08:00.500 --> 01:08:07.900]  All right, joining us now is a guest that we've had on many
[01:08:07.900 --> 01:08:11.200]  times for very interesting and he knows a lot of interesting
[01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:11.600]  things.
[01:08:11.700 --> 01:08:15.300]  I want to get him on to talk about what Kim com was saying
[01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:17.600]  in terms of Palantir of all people being hacked.
[01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.200]  This is something that's happening over and over again,
[01:08:21.100 --> 01:08:24.200]  whether it's a Pentagon or whether it's Palantir or whether
[01:08:24.200 --> 01:08:29.300]  it's the NSA these these people that you think would have
[01:08:29.300 --> 01:08:33.400]  the sophistication and not have a problem or constantly getting
[01:08:33.400 --> 01:08:33.900]  hacked.
[01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:38.400]  And so I want to talk to him about the increased vulnerability
[01:08:38.400 --> 01:08:43.900]  as we become more and more of an internet connected AI connected
[01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:44.700]  system.
[01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:50.300]  But go tree has something to say about this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping
[01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:53.000]  as well that goes back to something he was working on more
[01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  than a decade ago.
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.800]  Thank you for joining us.
[01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:55.300]  Go tree.
[01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:57.900]  My pleasure, David.
[01:08:57.900 --> 01:08:59.800]  It's always great to be back with you.
[01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:00.500]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:09:00.500 --> 01:09:05.200]  Tell us a little bit about your comments about this Nancy Guthrie
[01:09:05.200 --> 01:09:05.500]  thing.
[01:09:05.500 --> 01:09:08.500]  One of the first things I noticed about it was the fact that
[01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:12.600]  she had, you know, they eventually showed this picture of
[01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:13.900]  the perp at her door.
[01:09:13.900 --> 01:09:18.800]  They said they she was not using their online storage system.
[01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:19.700]  She didn't pay for that.
[01:09:19.700 --> 01:09:21.600]  She was just using it for real-time monitoring.
[01:09:21.900 --> 01:09:25.400]  And so they said at first, well that only we only store stuff
[01:09:25.400 --> 01:09:27.400]  if it's the paid accounts and stuff like that.
[01:09:27.400 --> 01:09:30.500]  But then it turns out that they were storing it anyway.
[01:09:30.500 --> 01:09:32.800]  That's why it showed up a few days later, but you have other
[01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:33.900]  things that you noticed in it.
[01:09:34.200 --> 01:09:35.400]  Talk to us a little bit about that.
[01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:40.800]  Well, to me, I hate to go off sounding like a conspiracy
[01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:41.500]  theorist.
[01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:43.600]  Well, this is the right show for that.
[01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:45.600]  Yeah, I know.
[01:09:45.700 --> 01:09:46.500]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:09:46.900 --> 01:09:50.300]  The scary part of that is when we turn into conspiracy theorists
[01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:51.300]  it comes true.
[01:09:51.400 --> 01:09:53.200]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:09:54.900 --> 01:10:01.700]  But this thing is striking me as made for TV.
[01:10:02.700 --> 01:10:06.700]  I mean, you turn the news on everybody's breathlessly hanging
[01:10:06.700 --> 01:10:11.900]  on to some special analyst giving his special analyst opinion.
[01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:17.200]  And I'm looking at this in this stuff that they're doing is so
[01:10:17.200 --> 01:10:18.100]  amateurish.
[01:10:18.100 --> 01:10:26.400]  I don't know both sides of the criminal and the FBI.
[01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.900]  I'm so I mean, I can't watch it.
[01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:33.700]  I mean, I'll throw stuff at the TV and start renting that.
[01:10:33.700 --> 01:10:36.600]  I just, I don't need to get my blood pressure up over this.
[01:10:36.700 --> 01:10:39.000]  What's some of the amateur stuff that the FBI is doing?
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:47.200]  Well, you know, when it goes back then for war days, I sent
[01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:51.600]  you that bill that we were doing for the alphabet soup.
[01:10:52.900 --> 01:10:57.400]  And it was a, we called it war driving.
[01:10:57.400 --> 01:11:00.100]  I don't know what sophisticated term they got right now, but
[01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:06.600]  you go run through and you're picking up every device, every
[01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.500]  network, everything that's being sent out.
[01:11:10.900 --> 01:11:14.900]  And these things you could deploy them.
[01:11:15.100 --> 01:11:16.500]  It was a, it was a car.
[01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:18.900]  I mean, if you want to show the picture of it.
[01:11:19.300 --> 01:11:22.700]  Yeah, it was a, it was a, an interceptor Dodge.
[01:11:22.700 --> 01:11:25.700]  So it's one of these souped up Dodges that they give to the
[01:11:25.700 --> 01:11:27.300]  police police interceptor.
[01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:30.600]  It was a Dodge in 2015.
[01:11:31.300 --> 01:11:33.900]  They got the first Hillcats that came out.
[01:11:33.900 --> 01:11:36.200]  Didn't even know what that word at the time.
[01:11:37.400 --> 01:11:37.700]  Yeah.
[01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:38.500]  Oh man.
[01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:39.500]  I love that car.
[01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.400]  Anyhow, I remember you said that you can have a Batmobile.
[01:11:44.400 --> 01:11:45.200]  I want this thing.
[01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:47.500]  That's right.
[01:11:48.900 --> 01:11:52.200]  But it was a mobile complete.
[01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:58.400]  I, it performed several six or seven different things at the time.
[01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:03.700]  And one of them was sniffing for cell phones, cell phone
[01:12:03.700 --> 01:12:07.800]  things, it was very versatile.
[01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:12.800]  And what we had done is we had went through and actually built a into
[01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:22.500]  the grill, a amplified sniffer, which as they were staying with this helicopter.
[01:12:23.100 --> 01:12:23.400]  Okay.
[01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:29.500]  First off, you've got to start the pacemaker only has a range 50 feet.
[01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:36.600]  If you amplify the signal or your, your sniffer, we had it up to about a football
[01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:44.400]  field, but we were on a time, time constraint and, uh, weren't able to
[01:12:44.400 --> 01:12:46.300]  really advance it out further than that.
[01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:49.200]  If they wanted to throw more money and gave us more time, we probably
[01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:51.600]  could have expanded it exponentially.
[01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:53.500]  And this was a decade ago.
[01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:57.500]  And I'm, I'm really not kept up that much with a Nancy Guthrie story,
[01:12:57.700 --> 01:13:01.000]  but, uh, you said they've got a helicopter that's out there trying
[01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.400]  to find the pacemaker signal, right?
[01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:05.600]  Yeah.
[01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:10.300]  And this is what's blowing my mind that this is just one of the dozen things
[01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:13.000]  that I'm like, I'm asking, what are they doing?
[01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:21.800]  Um, they are buzzing these houses at apparently 50 feet or less, since
[01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:26.100]  that's as far as the pacemaker will, will reach out and they're
[01:13:26.100 --> 01:13:27.400]  searching for that signal.
[01:13:28.200 --> 01:13:34.000]  Yeah, I'm sitting there, you know, thinking, what are they doing?
[01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:40.800]  I mean, can you imagine the rotor wash hitting the house and the yard?
[01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:43.000]  Yeah.
[01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:46.400]  Probably got a lot of, got a lot of small dogs.
[01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:49.500]  Yeah.
[01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:54.000]  Garden gnomes, pink flamingos raining down in Mexico someplace.
[01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:54.800]  I don't know.
[01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:56.300]  Yeah.
[01:13:56.900 --> 01:14:01.100]  But I, uh, I'm looking at it.
[01:14:01.100 --> 01:14:04.400]  Here's this guy sitting in, in the door of the, the, the, the
[01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.700]  helicopter with a box.
[01:14:08.300 --> 01:14:09.200]  What are they doing?
[01:14:09.900 --> 01:14:13.000]  I mean, they're probably roof shingles, roof tiles, everything
[01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:14.500]  else being ripped off these houses.
[01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:16.000]  Not to mention by breaks.
[01:14:17.300 --> 01:14:20.800]  Uh, Lance says, uh, you know, why does a pacemaker need to announce
[01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:22.000]  this location in the first place?
[01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:25.200]  And of course, going back to one of the things we talked about over
[01:14:25.200 --> 01:14:28.900]  a decade ago, these black hat conferences and DEFCON conferences
[01:14:28.900 --> 01:14:30.800]  that have a regular basis in Vegas.
[01:14:31.200 --> 01:14:36.300]  And, uh, there was a friend of yours who was showing how they could be
[01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:38.400]  hacked, that was one of the first devices that he's looking at how
[01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:42.500]  you could kill somebody by hacking into these devices.
[01:14:42.900 --> 01:14:43.900]  And what happened to him?
[01:14:45.700 --> 01:14:47.000]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson.
[01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.400]  And I want to be honest with you for a second about how an
[01:14:50.400 --> 01:14:52.500]  act of compassion really feels.
[01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.900]  A couple of years ago, I made the choice to partner with an amazing
[01:14:56.900 --> 01:14:59.400]  organization called compassion international.
[01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:00.200]  Why?
[01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:03.200]  Because I wanted to sponsor a child in need.
[01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.700]  It was a nice idea.
[01:15:04.700 --> 01:15:05.200]  Sure.
[01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:10.900]  But I had no idea just how much that simple act would change my life as well.
[01:15:11.400 --> 01:15:15.600]  I sponsored Nadia and got to watch her life change right in front of
[01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:20.300]  my eyes, going from starving, literally alone on the streets to
[01:15:20.300 --> 01:15:22.000]  getting the healthcare and education.
[01:15:22.200 --> 01:15:25.700]  She needs to reach her God given full potential.
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:30.300]  I got to be a part of that change and the light of that compassion,
[01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:34.000]  not only illuminates in her, it illuminates now in me.
[01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:36.600]  That is the power of compassion.
[01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.200]  The light of Christ shines on all of us.
[01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:44.400]  Feel it for yourself and change literally a child's life.
[01:15:44.700 --> 01:15:45.700]  Change the world.
[01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:47.600]  And you also change yourself.
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[01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.800]  That's compassion.com.
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:35.600]  Barnaby, when I had a man, this is one of the first, I'll say it.
[01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.900]  If people can argue with me, I knew him personally.
[01:16:39.900 --> 01:16:47.300]  Uh, he was assassinated the night before he was going to, uh, the
[01:16:47.300 --> 01:16:50.100]  black cat convention and show this.
[01:16:51.100 --> 01:16:57.700]  And the way we click to work is we did not show this for malicious intent.
[01:16:57.700 --> 01:17:04.500]  We showed the vulnerability so that people could correct it.
[01:17:04.900 --> 01:17:05.300]  Right.
[01:17:05.300 --> 01:17:05.600]  Right.
[01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:11.500]  If we showed them how simple it was to hack into pacemakers in insulin
[01:17:11.500 --> 01:17:14.200]  pumps, all this, it's on them.
[01:17:14.400 --> 01:17:19.400]  It is their responsibility to patch this so that they're secure.
[01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:24.300]  And they will not do it unless they're drug out into the public.
[01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:25.600]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:26.800]  Right.
[01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.400]  That's right.
[01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:34.400]  That night before Barnaby was supposed to give his demonstration, he died
[01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:39.000]  of heroin, a heroin overdose in the hotel.
[01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:44.000]  That would be like someone saying David died of a heroin overdose.
[01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:45.900]  Barnaby didn't do that kind of stuff.
[01:17:46.100 --> 01:17:46.400]  Yeah.
[01:17:47.900 --> 01:17:48.200]  Yeah.
[01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:52.400]  So that was a big one.
[01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:58.400]  And apparently, I mean, I hate to say it because I, it really,
[01:18:00.400 --> 01:18:08.300]  it hurts me to say this, but I, after that I dropped it, but I have
[01:18:08.300 --> 01:18:13.300]  my doubts that they have patched any of this and I don't want to scare people.
[01:18:14.300 --> 01:18:14.700]  Right.
[01:18:14.900 --> 01:18:15.400]  But.
[01:18:18.700 --> 01:18:20.600]  Well, we know that they tolerate a lot of this.
[01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:21.600]  Yeah.
[01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:22.900]  We know they tolerate a lot of this.
[01:18:22.900 --> 01:18:26.100]  I mean, just take a look at, it wasn't that long ago that they had the
[01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:30.300]  power issue and look at, um, uh, when San Francisco right away, what
[01:18:30.300 --> 01:18:31.800]  happened to Waymo, right?
[01:18:31.900 --> 01:18:34.000]  All of the self-driving cars lost it.
[01:18:34.200 --> 01:18:35.300]  They blocked everything.
[01:18:35.400 --> 01:18:40.100]  And that goes back to a novel that was written back in 2011, Robo
[01:18:40.100 --> 01:18:46.000]  apocalypse, and, uh, posited how, uh, and that story, the villain was
[01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.700]  a, uh, a rogue AI that brought all this stuff on, but what it was showing
[01:18:50.700 --> 01:18:53.200]  was a vulnerability of a society.
[01:18:53.200 --> 01:18:57.600]  Once it becomes an internet of things and an internet of people, you have
[01:18:57.600 --> 01:18:59.100]  all these, and that's what's really happening.
[01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:01.200]  I think what's happening with our military.
[01:19:01.500 --> 01:19:06.100]  I mean, they are pushing in a really hard way to try to get everything
[01:19:06.100 --> 01:19:09.700]  online and interconnected, which means that it's just a lot more vulnerable.
[01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:10.200]  Isn't it?
[01:19:12.100 --> 01:19:17.300]  This is a prime example, David, of the incompetence of both the criminal.
[01:19:17.300 --> 01:19:21.400]  The criminal must have like a sixth grade understanding of technology.
[01:19:22.100 --> 01:19:27.500]  And then the FBI with all these toys have been built and given to them.
[01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:29.600]  And they don't know how to use it.
[01:19:32.900 --> 01:19:34.700]  I'm just picturing Cash Patel's expression.
[01:19:34.700 --> 01:19:36.900]  If you try to explain some of this stuff, I'm sure you'd be,
[01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:38.700]  I don't know, bug eyed.
[01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:42.500]  He can call me if he wants to.
[01:19:44.300 --> 01:19:45.600]  He's bug eyed about everything.
[01:19:47.200 --> 01:19:47.600]  Yeah.
[01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:49.400]  Get your checkbook out cash.
[01:19:49.400 --> 01:19:50.500]  We can fix some stuff.
[01:19:52.300 --> 01:19:53.800]  Yeah, that's, that's amazing.
[01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:57.500]  Well, um, you know, when we, when we look at this, uh, one of the things that
[01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:02.000]  Kim dot com said was, and you've talked about this many times, the back doors.
[01:20:02.500 --> 01:20:06.600]  Um, you know, when you look at the technological side of this, the really
[01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.500]  dangerous thing is that there's back doors and everything.
[01:20:10.100 --> 01:20:11.500]  And they demand to have it.
[01:20:12.100 --> 01:20:13.900]  They demand to have it there for the developers.
[01:20:13.900 --> 01:20:16.500]  They demand to have it there for, let's say the CEOs or whatever.
[01:20:16.700 --> 01:20:19.200]  And once you've got those back doors, you get into everything.
[01:20:19.500 --> 01:20:23.000]  And that's one of the things that Kim dot com said in terms of what was
[01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:25.300]  revealed with this hack into Palantir.
[01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.300]  He said, I'll quote his tweet here that he put out.
[01:20:28.300 --> 01:20:33.400]  He said, um, they have backdoored devices, cars, jets of world leaders.
[01:20:33.900 --> 01:20:36.900]  They've accumulated the biggest archive of black blackmail
[01:20:36.900 --> 01:20:38.000]  material anybody's got.
[01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.700]  So basically what he's saying is Palantir is the new Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:20:43.500 --> 01:20:43.900]  Yeah.
[01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:47.600]  And, uh, you know, remember colonial pipeline?
[01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:48.200]  Oh yeah.
[01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:49.600]  That fell off.
[01:20:49.700 --> 01:20:53.800]  That fell off the map in a hurry because, Oh no, the CEO did it.
[01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:58.400]  It wasn't no big technology spoof or CFO.
[01:20:58.400 --> 01:20:59.700]  I better be careful here.
[01:20:59.700 --> 01:21:01.300]  So one of the insiders did it.
[01:21:01.300 --> 01:21:06.000]  I don't know who, but it was back doors, back doors and all that.
[01:21:06.500 --> 01:21:09.600]  Then the railroad hacks, you know, it's like back doors.
[01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:14.000]  And, uh, there's one reason I left, uh, uh, I finally said enough.
[01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:16.400]  You cannot help the people.
[01:21:16.400 --> 01:21:21.500]  It's unwilling to help themselves, uh, because they, they will say we've
[01:21:21.500 --> 01:21:23.500]  patched it, but nothing's been patched.
[01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:25.700]  You give them top shelf.
[01:21:26.400 --> 01:21:27.600]  Well, they may patch it.
[01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:32.400]  That's like saying, uh, the wind is broken and you take a hammer and
[01:21:32.400 --> 01:21:35.700]  knock more out and then put a piece of plywood over it, you know, it's like,
[01:21:35.700 --> 01:21:41.400]  what, I remember you're talking about the banking industry, the, uh, uh,
[01:21:41.400 --> 01:21:44.400]  ATMs and stuff like that, you know, finding the vulnerabilities in that.
[01:21:44.400 --> 01:21:48.300]  And you tell the, uh, uh, the companies and they didn't want to go out and fix it.
[01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:50.700]  No, it did.
[01:21:50.700 --> 01:21:55.500]  I've laid the whole thing out, uh, where they had tears where if you stole over
[01:21:55.500 --> 01:22:00.900]  a million dollars in cash, it was cost operations, raising rates on your, uh,
[01:22:00.900 --> 01:22:04.800]  uh, uh, users, you know, we'll just spread it out.
[01:22:06.200 --> 01:22:06.600]  Yeah.
[01:22:06.700 --> 01:22:10.600]  And then after you got to a certain level, which back in the old days, about
[01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:16.500]  $5 million, I mean, uh, it was like the banglades did, they went in there and
[01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:21.300]  they stole like, I don't know, a hundred million dollars they had ever read team
[01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:25.700]  in town and ever cyber dog, they could find turn loose on them.
[01:22:25.700 --> 01:22:31.700]  They got them like it within a week, which if, you know, that was back in
[01:22:31.700 --> 01:22:35.400]  the days when people were taking care of business, there's stuff going on right
[01:22:35.400 --> 01:22:38.100]  now, I'm like, man, what has happened?
[01:22:39.500 --> 01:22:42.400]  I, but I think this whole thing's orchestrated.
[01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:47.400]  It's like built for the 24 seven news cycle.
[01:22:47.400 --> 01:22:50.800]  And you have all these specialists that, uh, aren't very special.
[01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:54.200]  Yeah.
[01:22:54.200 --> 01:22:59.840]  I look at this and, and when I look at this, uh, full speed ahead, uh, let's
[01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:03.760]  incorporate AI into everything in the Pentagon, they they've convinced
[01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.760]  themselves they're in an AI race with the Chinese and they got to get there
[01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:09.860]  first, it doesn't matter if this stuff works or not, it doesn't matter if we
[01:23:09.860 --> 01:23:11.560]  can control it once we let it loose.
[01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:12.760]  And, um,
[01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:14.460]  that's the key to it all.
[01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:23.420]  Well, all this technology that we've built and handed to these people, they
[01:23:23.420 --> 01:23:24.560]  don't know what to do with it.
[01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.600]  They're going to plug it in AI, make it simple.
[01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.160]  Let's keep it, you know, the kiss method, keep it simple.
[01:23:30.160 --> 01:23:30.720]  Stupid.
[01:23:31.220 --> 01:23:34.460]  We can put a, uh, train to ring a thing on it and sure.
[01:23:34.460 --> 01:23:35.320]  It'll work great.
[01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:37.200]  Yeah.
[01:23:37.200 --> 01:23:41.360]  It's going to be, um, you know, when, when you look at the fact that they are
[01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:44.680]  constantly getting hacked, as I said before, you know, you've had the NSA
[01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:49.600]  get hacked, the CIA is on vault seven tools, the tools that they used to hack
[01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.220]  other people and disguise their identity that got stolen from them.
[01:23:53.360 --> 01:23:57.840]  So it's a spy versus spy countermeasures and counter countermeasures
[01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:58.880]  that keep going and going.
[01:23:59.280 --> 01:24:03.760]  And, and yet in spite of that and the vulnerabilities that all this heavy
[01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:09.640]  automation introduces into every system, uh, they're escalating this at a very
[01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:13.800]  rapid rate and I think much, much faster than they can actually keep track of it
[01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:14.480]  or test it.
[01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:17.540]  Exactly.
[01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:24.320]  And, uh, the thing is, if you're not competent enough in person or have a
[01:24:24.360 --> 01:24:32.680]  person that can manage it, you plug it into a mainframe, which is what they'll
[01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:38.600]  be running, who's going to be running the AI, the same idiot that can't
[01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.160]  manage what he's already got.
[01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:44.920]  What do you think about these AI agents?
[01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:49.400]  Cause we occasionally we get, um, stories when things go really, really wrong,
[01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:53.200]  like it deletes an entire company's database and says, Oh, I just deleted
[01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:54.000]  database.
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:54.960]  I'm sorry about that.
[01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.960]  I know you told me not to do that, but I did it anyway.
[01:24:57.960 --> 01:24:59.040]  And you can't get it back.
[01:24:59.400 --> 01:25:01.640]  Uh, we've actually covered stories like that.
[01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:06.160]  What, what do you think about this and this race to put AI agents out and give
[01:25:06.160 --> 01:25:08.840]  them control over real world assets?
[01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:09.440]  What do you think?
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[01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:14.680]  Well, once again, this is one reason I finally just do
[01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:19.920]  the towel in on, uh, uh, information security and, uh, uh, pen
[01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:21.280]  testing and the whole thing.
[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:25.320]  You've got to go back once again through history, which we've been screaming
[01:27:25.320 --> 01:27:30.160]  about for 30, 40 years, everything's on the cloud.
[01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:31.800]  What is the cloud?
[01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.560]  Well, it's a, it's a new term, but it's an old, what we used to call FTP
[01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:38.120]  server file transfer protocol.
[01:27:38.200 --> 01:27:39.840]  Well, that's been so old school.
[01:27:40.240 --> 01:27:41.600]  Let's name it the cloud.
[01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:48.520]  It's written on someone else's, uh, uh, server, someone else is managing it.
[01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:54.440]  You simply use it and now you're going to turn AI loose on it.
[01:27:55.080 --> 01:27:59.960]  It's like the Fox in the hen house, all the chickens in the hen house.
[01:28:00.400 --> 01:28:04.600]  They've got a real problem and what Fox eats is what Fox wants to eat.
[01:28:05.080 --> 01:28:05.440]  Yeah.
[01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:06.160]  Yeah.
[01:28:06.160 --> 01:28:09.600]  And of course the Pentagon, I remember when they were talking about the contract,
[01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.360]  there's this big competition between Amazon and Microsoft as who was going
[01:28:13.360 --> 01:28:14.760]  to provide the Jedi system.
[01:28:15.160 --> 01:28:18.680]  And that was basically putting all the Pentagon stuff on the cloud.
[01:28:19.080 --> 01:28:23.880]  It's like, why would anybody just, it gives everybody in the world,
[01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:28.800]  essentially an opportunity to take a, um, uh, uh, uh, have their
[01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:30.280]  shot at cracking it right.
[01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:31.440]  Once you do that,
[01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:37.040]  yeah, one stop shopping, you know, if you know who's on the cloud, pick
[01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:39.760]  the account and start cracking.
[01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:40.960]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:41.640]  Right.
[01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:48.400]  You give them physical access and then they just need to figure out how to get
[01:28:48.400 --> 01:28:52.000]  past the electronic obstacles that are there, but you know, they've basically
[01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.280]  gotten them a great deal of the way there.
[01:28:54.280 --> 01:28:57.600]  I mean, if you really want to keep something that was vitally important,
[01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:02.160]  secure, I would think you would remove it off of the ability for people to be able
[01:29:02.160 --> 01:29:06.640]  to even get to it, unless they went into some facility that physically got into
[01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:10.600]  some facility, then they would have to still go through the process of breaking
[01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:11.760]  in through the electronic stuff.
[01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:13.720]  But they don't take those kinds of precautions.
[01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.800]  Not even with the stuff that is at the very essence of what
[01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:18.800]  these agencies are doing.
[01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:24.400]  You know, I have had calls at three in the morning where a hack was
[01:29:24.400 --> 01:29:27.840]  in process or downloading a company server.
[01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:33.400]  And my suggestion to him was kill the power.
[01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:39.480]  You can't do that to these clouds.
[01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.160]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:29:42.080 --> 01:29:45.040]  You know, I hate to keep going back.
[01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:49.160]  I didn't intend to do this, but I keep going back to the past tech.
[01:29:49.160 --> 01:29:50.760]  We got it right first time.
[01:29:51.400 --> 01:29:54.640]  They keep tinkering with it and don't know how to use it.
[01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:58.680]  They've over-perfected things to the point where it's unusable.
[01:29:59.080 --> 01:29:59.320]  Yeah.
[01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:00.680]  I'm going to tell you this.
[01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:05.680]  Corey Doctorow, the science fiction writer has got a term for that.
[01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:07.120]  He calls it in shitification.
[01:30:10.120 --> 01:30:11.840]  It looks like what we're seeing all the time, doesn't it?
[01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:21.760]  You know, when I came out of compact in 1986, uh, we will.
[01:30:23.200 --> 01:30:26.480]  This is my first expedition into the military.
[01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:31.400]  They wanted to secure the nuclear ballistic missiles.
[01:30:32.240 --> 01:30:33.520]  I'll tell you how we did it.
[01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:34.640]  And they were never hacked.
[01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:37.840]  The computer system was totally offline.
[01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:39.760]  There was no way to reach it from the outside.
[01:30:41.480 --> 01:30:49.960]  And, you know, you see the movies, the, uh, uh, codes were on five inch floppy
[01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:53.760]  disc, that was what was in the safe.
[01:30:55.880 --> 01:31:00.440]  If the signals came through, they had a series of, of release systems.
[01:31:00.440 --> 01:31:03.480]  Finally, they would get around to cracking open the safe with the
[01:31:03.480 --> 01:31:06.040]  poppies, the poppies were updated every day.
[01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:08.600]  They were delivered with the mail, I guess.
[01:31:10.040 --> 01:31:17.600]  So then if you got to a certain level, operators would put the
[01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:21.720]  poppies into the PC and the countdown start.
[01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:27.680]  Once you got to that zero, you would turn a key like your car key.
[01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.560]  And then you could push the button and there was all hell with break loops.
[01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:36.800]  They were never hacked, but people don't understand that allowing
[01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:42.320]  out outside access to your material is your own doings.
[01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:44.520]  You cannot help the stupid.
[01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:47.480]  And that's the key.
[01:31:47.480 --> 01:31:50.760]  And like you and I say, in terms of putting stuff on the cloud, we
[01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:52.200]  see this happening over and over again.
[01:31:52.200 --> 01:31:53.640]  How did they break into the NSA?
[01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.240]  How'd they steal the CIA's tools?
[01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:56.560]  How do they get into the Pentagon files?
[01:31:56.560 --> 01:32:02.320]  And it's because they allow people to have access to the database and then
[01:32:02.320 --> 01:32:05.080]  it becomes a much, much, much simpler problem.
[01:32:05.120 --> 01:32:08.560]  Still, there's some things that you have to get past, but if you
[01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:14.280]  don't keep that offline, then if it's online, then they've got an opportunity.
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[01:33:57.320 --> 01:34:01.920]  Well, I would probably, I have not kept up with Palantir.
[01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:09.160]  I've been off on some other stuff, but I'm going to venture a guess that
[01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:14.680]  either the government or Palantir, probably since Trump's been doing away
[01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:21.320]  with a lot of government employees, probably have a government employee
[01:34:22.080 --> 01:34:29.560]  that was assigned Palantir or vice versa that was terminated and human
[01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:34.080]  resources, for whatever reason, dropped the ball and did not take their
[01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:35.760]  credentials to that cloud back.
[01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.960]  Well, on open market, something like that's very valuable.
[01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.720]  If you're unemployed and you've got the opportunity to sell something
[01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:50.520]  as simple as your credentials, boom, done.
[01:34:51.400 --> 01:34:52.400]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:34:52.400 --> 01:34:58.640]  Now they're probably going to try to invoke something like, oh, it was so
[01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:00.760]  complicated, you can't understand it.
[01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:01.960]  Well, fine, whatever.
[01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.360]  Let's look at what they're doing to this, that's free page.
[01:35:05.480 --> 01:35:06.360]  They're displaying.
[01:35:06.360 --> 01:35:12.440]  They don't have very much skills, but this is how the real
[01:35:12.440 --> 01:35:14.480]  world works in cybersecurity.
[01:35:15.480 --> 01:35:17.720]  And it's stuff that is going on.
[01:35:18.440 --> 01:35:20.560]  They were talking about her ransom in Bitcoin.
[01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.600]  I'm like, this guy don't know what he's doing.
[01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:26.760]  Don't they understand that Bitcoin is recorded forever on the blockchain?
[01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:27.520]  That's right.
[01:35:28.080 --> 01:35:30.640]  So I have to go back to John McAfee.
[01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:35.320]  Remember you interviewed him and he was talking about the Monero coin.
[01:35:35.480 --> 01:35:36.000]  That's right.
[01:35:36.440 --> 01:35:36.880]  That's right.
[01:35:38.120 --> 01:35:38.400]  Yeah.
[01:35:38.400 --> 01:35:39.320]  And now there's a couple of them.
[01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:42.840]  There's also Zano.
[01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:44.320]  Yeah.
[01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:46.000]  That's been around for a long time.
[01:35:46.240 --> 01:35:48.000]  Now they've got several others that are out there.
[01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:49.040]  And it has never been bring.
[01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:52.240]  It never been breached.
[01:35:52.480 --> 01:35:52.720]  Yeah.
[01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:57.000]  When that goes into the system, it's gone and there's no way to tracing it.
[01:35:58.120 --> 01:36:05.800]  So that tells me that, uh, don't know how to cover himself in a, uh, you know,
[01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:11.360]  and, and, and then the camera, uh, doesn't understand what he's doing.
[01:36:11.360 --> 01:36:19.280]  Secondly, if I was going to take a ring camera or whatever, pop it out of there.
[01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:22.200]  I'm going to use some real serious low tech and it's called the
[01:36:22.200 --> 01:36:24.480]  hill of the boot and crush it.
[01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:27.240]  That's right.
[01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:28.000]  Yeah.
[01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:31.120]  You know, when you look at this stuff, it's like Bitcoin, for example,
[01:36:31.120 --> 01:36:33.560]  as you said, you know, it's going to be traceable.
[01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:38.440]  And that's why I look at this and, um, you know, we've had situations where
[01:36:38.440 --> 01:36:40.560]  people have had their accounts hacked.
[01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.400]  One of them was the guy who was a billionaire and it was nearly a million
[01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:47.800]  dollars and you know, people are saying there, they're watching these
[01:36:48.120 --> 01:36:51.240]  transactions, these large transactions they call from whales.
[01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:51.560]  All right.
[01:36:52.040 --> 01:36:57.120]  And so some guys watching these transactions go by and, uh, he sees
[01:36:57.160 --> 01:36:59.920]  nearly a million dollars go through there and he goes, Hmm, who is that?
[01:37:00.320 --> 01:37:04.400]  And he's able to track the guy down and he tracks the guy down and he calls
[01:37:04.400 --> 01:37:05.680]  them up that are billion.
[01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:06.200]  Yeah.
[01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:06.880]  Yeah.
[01:37:07.120 --> 01:37:11.160]  I think it's a millions and billions of dollars, but he found out who this guy
[01:37:11.160 --> 01:37:16.480]  was, uh, he finds out he not only sees a transaction there, but he's able to
[01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:21.160]  trace that down and figure out who it is and sends him a text or an email and
[01:37:21.160 --> 01:37:25.720]  says, uh, uh, did, you know, why, why are you doing this or ask him something
[01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:26.000]  about it?
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.800]  And the guy didn't know that he had been ripped off.
[01:37:29.080 --> 01:37:33.480]  It was a stranger who saw the transaction, tracked it down to him and contacted him.
[01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:37.080]  So when I look at Bitcoin to me, you know, we talk about putting these
[01:37:37.080 --> 01:37:38.640]  things out there where they're available.
[01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:43.240]  It's almost like you have a safe with all your money in it and you decide that
[01:37:43.280 --> 01:37:44.520]  we're going to keep that safe.
[01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:46.520]  It's going to be on the town square.
[01:37:48.280 --> 01:37:51.760]  Not maybe a very secure safe, but it's at the town square.
[01:37:52.320 --> 01:37:54.560]  Anybody's got a crack at it that wants to take it.
[01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:55.000]  Right.
[01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:59.720]  You've got a $10,000 safe and a $2 lot.
[01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:03.400]  That's right.
[01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:08.880]  But then, you know, I've got to go back and I can explain some of this to you.
[01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:14.960]  Um, I was working with ARPA on the Memex project.
[01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:18.920]  Now there's something that's going to be really scary when you plug it in the AI.
[01:38:20.480 --> 01:38:27.720]  Uh, it's called ME, MEX and they had a parallel, I'm trying to recall the,
[01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:29.280]  the, the code name for it.
[01:38:30.040 --> 01:38:36.680]  They had a, uh, uh, naval labs.
[01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:44.720]  Uh, I, I'm having my memory is what it used to be, but they were running in
[01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:53.760]  2014, 2015, they were running a simultaneous, uh, blockchain that mimicked Bitcoin.
[01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:55.080]  Hmm.
[01:38:55.520 --> 01:39:01.320]  So I don't know whatever happened to that project, but I did download some of
[01:39:01.320 --> 01:39:08.320]  the source data, which I don't know where it got off to, but you could set up, uh,
[01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:14.640]  accounts that mimic each other, same number, same everything, but they're on
[01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.360]  a different blockchain and they would jump from blockchain to blockchain.
[01:39:19.360 --> 01:39:26.600]  So if someone got ahold of that, I mean, literally got ahold of that and we're
[01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:34.880]  able to use that, uh, technology and convince someone to jump or not even,
[01:39:35.120 --> 01:39:41.360]  even unknowingly jump from the blockchain to that, uh, uh, other blockchain.
[01:39:41.480 --> 01:39:46.840]  You got them, but you've got control of them and all these work off notes anyhow.
[01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:54.440]  So if you build a, a clone node, you can build these wallets any way you want.
[01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:56.160]  I mean, at one time I was running nodes.
[01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:59.920]  I think I had like 300 Bitcoin wallets.
[01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:01.320]  Just, I don't know.
[01:40:01.320 --> 01:40:01.640]  I don't know.
[01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:02.200]  It's down.
[01:40:02.200 --> 01:40:07.520]  I was just experimenting and just keep clicking formal wallet.
[01:40:08.440 --> 01:40:14.520]  Now, you know, anyhow, I lost a bunch of Bitcoin doing that, you know,
[01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:20.680]  time transfer and all that, but yeah, all this comes, everything we're talking
[01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:24.760]  about, you throw out a subject, it all comes back to what it was done right.
[01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:31.240]  First time and you keep tweaking, keep, keep it just to the point where it's
[01:40:31.240 --> 01:40:34.880]  unworkable, people are unable to use it.
[01:40:35.480 --> 01:40:36.000]  That's right.
[01:40:36.400 --> 01:40:36.840]  That's right.
[01:40:37.120 --> 01:40:37.400]  Yeah.
[01:40:37.400 --> 01:40:39.400]  That's the sort of thing we see in engineering.
[01:40:39.400 --> 01:40:43.560]  Usually there's a guy who's got a vision for this thing and, you know, you have a
[01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:48.000]  very small, you know, one or a couple of people who put together a system.
[01:40:48.280 --> 01:40:49.120]  That's what I've seen.
[01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:51.000]  And people say, oh, that's pretty good.
[01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:53.560]  They buy it and then the corporation takes it in.
[01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:56.600]  And then you get a team of people who didn't have anything to do with the
[01:40:56.600 --> 01:40:58.680]  development of it, don't really know what's going on with it.
[01:40:59.080 --> 01:41:02.920]  And the thing gets ruined as they maintain it, quote unquote, or add
[01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:04.640]  features to it or this or that.
[01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:08.840]  And that's kind of what's going to be happening with the AI stuff.
[01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:10.680]  I think they're using it for programming.
[01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.960]  And where I've seen from a lot of people say, well, uh, because I
[01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:16.960]  didn't put this thing together, it's really hard for me to maintain it.
[01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:20.480]  I don't really understand what it did or why it did what it did.
[01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.320]  And, uh, it's kind of opaque, even though I've been in this
[01:41:23.320 --> 01:41:24.720]  for decades doing this.
[01:41:26.320 --> 01:41:27.000]  Of course.
[01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:29.400]  I mean, you could do anything on AI.
[01:41:29.400 --> 01:41:35.160]  You can write books, you can compose music, uh, you know, I hate to go
[01:41:35.160 --> 01:41:39.200]  all way off into the weeds, but one of my, I thought was the funniest thing
[01:41:39.200 --> 01:41:42.080]  I'd ever seen, uh, on YouTube.
[01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:47.480]  There is a music video called that's one ugly baby.
[01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.640]  I don't suggest you users like that to watch it.
[01:41:52.040 --> 01:41:58.760]  It's AI and they took an old Motown song and modded it to where they're singing
[01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:06.480]  about ugly babies, you know, I was like, man, this is getting just too crazy.
[01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:07.040]  Yeah.
[01:42:07.480 --> 01:42:07.720]  Yeah.
[01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:12.680]  But with AI, you know, you have got people don't understand
[01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:14.080]  what they're doing using it.
[01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:18.600]  And they're going to, once again, let's simplify.
[01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:23.080]  Let's put everything on AI, let it control it.
[01:42:23.080 --> 01:42:25.560]  It'll give us warning beeps if something's wrong.
[01:42:26.480 --> 01:42:27.320]  No, it won't.
[01:42:29.240 --> 01:42:29.400]  Yeah.
[01:42:29.400 --> 01:42:32.440]  As a matter of fact, you go back to Gaza and a lot of people were saying, well,
[01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:37.400]  um, I think this was set up because this is in an area where the Israeli
[01:42:37.400 --> 01:42:41.160]  government had automated, uh, guard towers and things like that.
[01:42:41.160 --> 01:42:42.800]  Very high tech, very sophisticated.
[01:42:43.440 --> 01:42:44.360]  And you see things like that.
[01:42:44.360 --> 01:42:47.800]  And everybody believes that because it's high tech, sophisticated, expensive,
[01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:50.760]  that it's going to be working correctly.
[01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:53.560]  So therefore they had to, uh, have had a false flag.
[01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:54.800]  Now that may have happened.
[01:42:55.200 --> 01:42:59.400]  Uh, however, when you look at some of the things that you sent me a video
[01:42:59.440 --> 01:43:03.120]  of, uh, a guy that was, uh, what was it as eight years old?
[01:43:03.440 --> 01:43:06.720]  And he was talking about how to become invisible to surveillance cameras.
[01:43:07.160 --> 01:43:10.320]  And it was a really simple idea, really simple ideas.
[01:43:10.320 --> 01:43:13.800]  As a matter of fact, yeah, we got to, where is that clip?
[01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:14.240]  Do you have it?
[01:43:14.240 --> 01:43:15.160]  Yeah, here it is right here.
[01:43:15.160 --> 01:43:17.120]  I'm going to pull this up and show the audience here.
[01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:21.600]  Uh, what he did was he look at his head is just this glowing ball
[01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:22.600]  and you can't see anything.
[01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:27.440]  And his insight was that since they put these cameras, these surveillance
[01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:34.240]  cameras around them, they want them to, um, be, um, somewhat, um, uh, hidden
[01:43:34.240 --> 01:43:37.240]  from view in terms of people understanding that they're being surveilled.
[01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:39.920]  They will put a night vision on them.
[01:43:40.280 --> 01:43:45.040]  And so he said, uh, if you get something that has a, um, you know, the same
[01:43:45.040 --> 01:43:49.800]  frequency that this is using in terms of light stuff, that you could put that on
[01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:55.840]  your glasses and put out a very bright spectrum of light that it's only sensitive
[01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:57.200]  to, but that people can't see.
[01:43:57.200 --> 01:44:00.600]  It's not an invisible spectrum, but it's going to basically create a
[01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:05.680]  massive lens flare for that night vision camera and it can't see who you are.
[01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:06.080]  Yeah.
[01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:10.800]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson and I want you to pause what you're doing for just one
[01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:15.400]  minute and I want you to hear about love, generosity and compassion.
[01:44:15.440 --> 01:44:18.560]  We say those words all the time and they sound good.
[01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.920]  They feel good, but here's the truth.
[01:44:21.160 --> 01:44:25.160]  Those words don't mean anything unless they turn into action.
[01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:30.520]  And right now, not later today, not tomorrow, there's a child in the world
[01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:35.600]  who doesn't know if they'll eat, if they'll have a chance to learn or
[01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:37.440]  if there's any hope at all.
[01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:43.240]  And while we're all busy, life keeps moving forward, but that child is waiting.
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[01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:49.840]  Well, you know, when we were pin testing, we would take these RF
[01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:54.600]  diodes that were tiny and we'd build a hat band out of them.
[01:45:55.520 --> 01:46:00.720]  And, uh, then for the nine, uh, little old, I forget what size battery it was.
[01:46:01.480 --> 01:46:04.680]  And we walk around there just in plain sight and they, the
[01:46:04.680 --> 01:46:05.680]  cameras couldn't read us.
[01:46:06.120 --> 01:46:13.000]  If we really wanted to get stealthy, we would, uh, uh, either, uh, well, I
[01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:19.200]  think we sewed them into, uh, like jackets and stuff and, uh, you couldn't
[01:46:19.200 --> 01:46:22.160]  make heads, tails out of body shape, face, anything.
[01:46:22.160 --> 01:46:23.880]  It's just one big glowing orb.
[01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:24.960]  That's right.
[01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:31.880]  And we were hacking, hacking ATM machines and they were like, how are you doing this?
[01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:35.120]  Well, we were doing it at their permission.
[01:46:35.400 --> 01:46:35.720]  Right.
[01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:36.120]  Right.
[01:46:36.240 --> 01:46:36.400]  Yeah.
[01:46:37.240 --> 01:46:42.240]  You know, pen testing, Hey, your ATM is vulnerable, but I walked
[01:46:42.240 --> 01:46:44.720]  through facilities and they're like, Oh, it's a ghost.
[01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:46.320]  Well, that's the thing.
[01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:49.520]  You know, when you look at this, when it's being used for, uh, something
[01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:53.200]  like the defense industry or something like that, um, you know, you think that
[01:46:53.200 --> 01:46:57.520]  you've got some really sophisticated system and yet it might have a very,
[01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:01.600]  very simple, uh, vulnerability like you were just talking about.
[01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:05.320]  And, um, you know, that, that's the thing I see happening with, uh, the
[01:47:05.320 --> 01:47:07.800]  rapid introduction of this technology.
[01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.160]  You know, it used to be back in the day when I was in engineering, that
[01:47:11.160 --> 01:47:13.080]  was a long time ago, about 40 years ago.
[01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:16.560]  Uh, I remember one of the reasons that I didn't want to get the course.
[01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:19.360]  I didn't want to develop stuff for the military cause the way what
[01:47:19.360 --> 01:47:20.680]  the military was doing with it.
[01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:23.760]  But, uh, I had friends who got into that and they were complaining.
[01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:26.200]  They said the stuff we're using is so old.
[01:47:26.200 --> 01:47:29.360]  We're not allowed to use anything unless it's been around and tested
[01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:32.920]  for years, unless they've taken it to the, to the North pole, unless they've
[01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:36.440]  taken it to the desert and all the rest of the stuff, they've got to, you know,
[01:47:36.480 --> 01:47:41.080]  have this stuff, um, it's going to be tested in all these different environments
[01:47:41.080 --> 01:47:42.800]  and have a very long history behind it.
[01:47:43.240 --> 01:47:44.760]  That's not really what's happening now.
[01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:46.360]  They're rushing to get stuff out.
[01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:49.320]  And I think that's creating a whole new class of vulnerability.
[01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:50.920]  Yeah.
[01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:58.360]  Well, yes, it's like the technicians and, uh, the people that you teach the
[01:47:58.360 --> 01:48:00.400]  stuff to, they're, they're retiring.
[01:48:00.400 --> 01:48:02.680]  They're, yeah, they're on their way out.
[01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:03.840]  It's like William Beny, man.
[01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.840]  You ought to be able to, I know he's deep in his age, but you should try to
[01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:12.200]  book William Beny and let, uh, Beny tell some stories.
[01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:13.880]  Yeah, try to get him.
[01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.520]  My son, my aunt just said, uh, by the way, they looked at the footage and
[01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.040]  said, we've been hacked by a lens flare.
[01:48:21.280 --> 01:48:23.280]  Uh, it's been hacked by the human torch.
[01:48:25.480 --> 01:48:25.880]  Yeah.
[01:48:26.360 --> 01:48:28.640]  Oh, it's like, uh, we've been hacked by aliens.
[01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:31.200]  Where's his spaceship?
[01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:33.360]  Maybe it's Lucifer being of light.
[01:48:35.080 --> 01:48:35.480]  Yeah.
[01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:38.360]  But that's what I'm saying.
[01:48:38.360 --> 01:48:42.640]  Back in the day, you did not put it out until it was perfect.
[01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:49.960]  Now you've got these, uh, and another problem that we have with, uh, uh, the,
[01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:54.640]  the tech industry is who wants to go to work for, for the government and set
[01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:56.520]  a cubicle for a hundred thousand a year.
[01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:00.840]  When you can go out there, take some existing technology, tweak it a little
[01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:07.800]  bit and go and have a a hundred million dollar IPO or work for someone and they
[01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:12.920]  paid half a mil or a mil a year for you, what you know and know how to make work.
[01:49:14.200 --> 01:49:18.200]  So the government's behind the eight ball on this one big.
[01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:21.200]  And I was watching that, that with that.
[01:49:22.160 --> 01:49:22.440]  Ms.
[01:49:22.440 --> 01:49:22.960]  Guthrie.
[01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:24.600]  And I'm like, what did they do?
[01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:27.520]  Turn loose the village idiots to solve this.
[01:49:27.520 --> 01:49:30.960]  I mean, you've got the village idiot doing the crime.
[01:49:31.400 --> 01:49:33.560]  Now you've got the village idiots running it.
[01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:34.640]  Oh yeah.
[01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.720]  You really do literally have the village idiots running the FBI.
[01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:38.760]  That's that's for sure.
[01:49:39.160 --> 01:49:40.360]  Uh, cash for telling crew.
[01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:42.240]  It was amazing.
[01:49:42.440 --> 01:49:43.280]  I'm attached.
[01:49:45.200 --> 01:49:45.480]  Yeah.
[01:49:45.480 --> 01:49:47.320]  Call me get your book out.
[01:49:47.320 --> 01:49:48.400]  We'll fix some stuff.
[01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:57.760]  Uh, anyhow, uh, this kind of stuff, and now you're talking about AI, the
[01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:01.400]  people that really know AI, they're out there doing stuff that actually
[01:50:01.400 --> 01:50:07.080]  makes money for themselves, the people that the hundred thousand dollar
[01:50:07.080 --> 01:50:10.960]  crew, which I don't mean to be slamming anybody, they really don't know what
[01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:16.120]  they're doing, they're going by the manual and you only know what the manual
[01:50:16.120 --> 01:50:16.760]  tells you.
[01:50:19.360 --> 01:50:19.600]  Yeah.
[01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:20.440]  Oh, that's right.
[01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:20.800]  Yeah.
[01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:25.320]  If that's one reason I just threw up my hands and said, I, you know, I've got
[01:50:25.320 --> 01:50:29.240]  better things to keep doing this because you tell these people this while
[01:50:29.240 --> 01:50:32.840]  showing you these old, uh, links and stuff.
[01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:34.200]  We've already solved it.
[01:50:34.200 --> 01:50:35.040]  Where is it at?
[01:50:35.080 --> 01:50:35.760]  Use it.
[01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:38.080]  So where do you see this going?
[01:50:39.240 --> 01:50:42.880]  Where do you see this going as we have our, as technology gets more and more
[01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:46.320]  advanced as the rate of change increases more and more, as there's
[01:50:46.320 --> 01:50:51.680]  less and less, um, rugged ruggedness in the system, more and more
[01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:54.800]  vulnerabilities, where do you see this all happening as, you know, it seems
[01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:58.920]  to me like it's getting shakier as it is getting more advanced and it's
[01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.480]  happening at such a rapid rate that nobody's keeping up with.
[01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:03.160]  Where does this all crash?
[01:51:06.080 --> 01:51:07.440]  You see that happening soon?
[01:51:07.440 --> 01:51:08.720]  What do you think's going to happen?
[01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:12.040]  That's what I look at it.
[01:51:12.040 --> 01:51:13.880]  The house bar is up this high.
[01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:18.080]  So how high can they keep continue building that house cards?
[01:51:18.120 --> 01:51:19.480]  I really don't know.
[01:51:20.240 --> 01:51:27.800]  I think, you know, I think if people had a reality check, but they're all
[01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:38.840]  disbelieving, they're all, uh, not understanding the obvious it will continue
[01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:40.920]  until something really bad happens.
[01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:43.920]  And I don't know what you define as bad.
[01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:46.680]  You know, where is bad anymore?
[01:51:47.200 --> 01:51:47.520]  Yeah.
[01:51:48.200 --> 01:51:50.920]  Million people dead, 10 million dead.
[01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:59.000]  So, and then when you work for the government, it's that old saying politicians
[01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:03.200]  and government people, I'm not responsible for the things I do.
[01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:04.400]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:52:04.400 --> 01:52:05.280]  And they got immunity.
[01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:08.000]  Yeah.
[01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:08.880]  How do you stop it?
[01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:11.920]  Yeah.
[01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.480]  You have so many different systems that are involved in it.
[01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:18.360]  Uh, you got medical systems, uh, infrastructure, transportation.
[01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.680]  You have defense systems with weapons.
[01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:25.040]  I mean, now there is going to be a major push for autonomous killer weapons,
[01:52:25.040 --> 01:52:28.320]  autonomous killer robots, as well as drones and things like that.
[01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:31.280]  Uh, by the way, you know, there was also another interesting video.
[01:52:31.280 --> 01:52:31.800]  Do you have that?
[01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:32.440]  Yeah, we've got it.
[01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:37.560]  Uh, I'll show the audience this, uh, this is, um, protecting
[01:52:37.560 --> 01:52:40.440]  yourself from an aerial drone using an umbrella.
[01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.680]  Thermal drones versus umbrellas.
[01:52:43.320 --> 01:52:43.640]  Yeah.
[01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:46.440]  And look, it's a split screen here.
[01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:48.440]  It looks like let's go to IR.
[01:52:48.440 --> 01:52:49.640]  I can see anything.
[01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:50.560]  They can see what he's doing.
[01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:53.240]  They put the umbrella on and he disappears now completely.
[01:52:53.440 --> 01:52:58.000]  I'm looking at a steeper angle and it's still quite difficult to be honest.
[01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:02.640]  I think he is slightly hearing the drone and pointing his umbrella towards that.
[01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:04.000]  Now, can you close it?
[01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:06.120]  Yeah.
[01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:08.000]  Do it and open it again.
[01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:11.880]  That's too good, man.
[01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:12.520]  That's too good.
[01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:15.960]  You know, it's kind of interesting because, uh, that's where Eric
[01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:17.080]  Schmidt is hanging out now.
[01:53:17.080 --> 01:53:22.760]  You know, he, he left Google and he has been, um, uh, big man in on
[01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:27.400]  campus at the Pentagon for quite some time, setting up a very advanced
[01:53:27.440 --> 01:53:31.720]  systems and AI based systems and, and that type of thing.
[01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:36.000]  And yet, you know, they could go out and spend, uh, billions of dollars on
[01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:39.240]  some kind of autonomous, uh, killer drone thing they're, they're talking
[01:53:39.240 --> 01:53:43.520]  about creating a no man's land, which is pretty much what they've done in the
[01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:47.440]  area between Ukraine and Russia now with all the improvised drones and that's
[01:53:47.480 --> 01:53:50.120]  changing the nature of warfare very, very rapidly.
[01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:53.960]  And so you put all that stuff together and then, you know, maybe somebody
[01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:56.800]  finds a way to, uh, uh, vulnerability.
[01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:58.520]  That's as simple as opening up an umbrella.
[01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:01.480]  So they can't see you with the advanced targeting that it's got.
[01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:07.320]  Well, even worse is they are perfecting the drone forms.
[01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:14.520]  I mean, uh, it's new year, you remember, I forget it was one, one, uh, city that
[01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:19.760]  was doing, uh, uh, uh, demonstrations of art in the sky with the drone swarm.
[01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:27.520]  Everybody's like, Ooh, uh, this, I'm not even gonna tell you how to do it.
[01:54:28.040 --> 01:54:32.760]  It's one simple modification where you can put a bomb on it and it will release it.
[01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:39.880]  So if you've got $550 drones in a swarm loaded with whatever
[01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:41.680]  Molotov cocktails, whatever,
[01:54:44.040 --> 01:54:45.920]  you've got a force to be reckoned with.
[01:54:46.280 --> 01:54:46.680]  Oh yeah.
[01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:52.800]  As a matter of fact, uh, all this, yeah, I was going to say goat tree, all the,
[01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:55.800]  all this, go ahead, go ahead.
[01:54:55.800 --> 01:54:56.200]  I'm sorry.
[01:54:56.280 --> 01:55:01.840]  This, all this push about trying to, um, stop ghost guns and the
[01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:06.280]  licensing, um, uh, not licensing, but the, uh, requirements that are being
[01:55:06.600 --> 01:55:09.840]  talked about in terms of a, it's Washington state, isn't that Lance?
[01:55:10.320 --> 01:55:13.960]  Uh, yeah, Washington state, there's a bill in, uh, New York.
[01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:18.080]  And now there's I think five states that are putting out similar stuff.
[01:55:18.080 --> 01:55:19.280]  It's a push.
[01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:20.040]  Yeah.
[01:55:20.040 --> 01:55:22.080]  They're trying to stop 3d printers.
[01:55:22.080 --> 01:55:26.280]  And I, as, uh, uh, Lance has taken on all this and I think it's the right one.
[01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:30.720]  He doesn't think there's worried about, uh, ghost guns and creating ghost guns
[01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:34.400]  as much as they are worried about stopping people printing their own drones.
[01:55:36.200 --> 01:55:36.680]  Right.
[01:55:37.160 --> 01:55:42.000]  Hey, you could, I'll tell you what, I have a 200 drones form full of all kinds
[01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.000]  of nasty stuff I can drop on you and you've got a ghost gun.
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:46.360]  Who are you most worried about?
[01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.080]  That's exactly right.
[01:55:49.640 --> 01:55:49.960]  Yeah.
[01:55:50.360 --> 01:55:52.960]  That's the asymmetric warfare of the future right there.
[01:55:54.320 --> 01:55:54.600]  Yeah.
[01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:58.800]  You got, uh, low tech people playing with high tech stuff.
[01:55:59.000 --> 01:55:59.280]  Yeah.
[01:55:59.280 --> 01:56:02.520]  And they're desperate to stop that down and shut that down right now.
[01:56:03.160 --> 01:56:07.760]  So, uh, yeah, it isn't, it's interesting as we see these things changing very
[01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:12.560]  rapidly, but, um, uh, it is an odd mixture and that's kind of where you
[01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:18.840]  operated as cybersecurity, uh, this odd mixture of, uh, technology and human
[01:56:18.840 --> 01:56:23.800]  nature, and always when I talk to you about the different cases that you were
[01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:27.880]  on, it was always, uh, almost kind of like a Colombo thing, you know, the,
[01:56:28.200 --> 01:56:32.960]  the Occam's razor was, uh, well, who is it that's got a gripe with the company
[01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:37.000]  or who is it that, um, could really profit from this because I know the
[01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:38.280]  back where the back door is.
[01:56:38.280 --> 01:56:42.040]  So really more often than not, it was really about human nature in terms of
[01:56:42.040 --> 01:56:44.280]  finding the culprits in these things.
[01:56:46.040 --> 01:56:50.360]  Well, then here's something I've got all mine shut off.
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[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:34.280]  But if you're on automatic updates on your computer or PC, whatever they call
[01:58:34.280 --> 01:58:40.720]  them now, your phone, any device that has automatic updates, you've got a back
[01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:47.720]  door open now, if I wanted to say, if I wanted to, let's, let's start Microsoft.
[01:58:49.080 --> 01:58:51.200]  I hack in there and get that code.
[01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:56.840]  I can put anything I want on your device under their name.
[01:59:00.480 --> 01:59:04.200]  You aren't sure what they're sending to you, but you're totally got you.
[01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:09.920]  You've been the door open and they can come in that way.
[01:59:10.400 --> 01:59:13.840]  They do do a lot of sharing with the government.
[01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.840]  So, I mean, who knows who they shared with.
[01:59:17.280 --> 01:59:17.520]  Yeah.
[01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:23.600]  And the reasons why a lot of this software's, I mean, this is so old school
[01:59:23.720 --> 01:59:30.000]  that, uh, they allow you to create back doors, if you know how, so you can have
[01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.280]  your own personal back door into anything.
[01:59:34.040 --> 01:59:41.280]  And while I'm on my rant, people really ought to shut off the vendor, go
[01:59:41.280 --> 01:59:44.080]  download what you're sure you're downloading.
[01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:51.840]  Oh man, my temper got up and I forgot what I was going to say.
[01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:52.400]  So go ahead.
[01:59:52.560 --> 01:59:55.760]  So, um, so turn off your automatic updates.
[01:59:55.760 --> 01:59:57.520]  Any other things that you would tell?
[01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:01.080]  I mean, I do that just because I don't want them constantly messing with my
[02:00:01.080 --> 02:00:07.120]  machine, you know, an update, they may break something even if it's a legit update.
[02:00:07.480 --> 02:00:09.160]  So, uh, yeah, I always turn that off.
[02:00:09.200 --> 02:00:11.880]  Any other things like that, that you'd tell people, you know, I hate
[02:00:11.880 --> 02:00:14.080]  to sound as nihilistic as I do.
[02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:24.280]  But it's to the point where if you could use, um, uh, 1960s technology, that's
[02:00:24.280 --> 02:00:26.600]  the only safe place I can think of going.
[02:00:27.080 --> 02:00:30.600]  I'm talking about, uh, putting in landline.
[02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:35.440]  I'm talking about finding 1960, 1970s version TVs.
[02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:36.160]  Yeah.
[02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:37.960]  TVs that don't watch you back.
[02:00:39.400 --> 02:00:39.960]  Yeah.
[02:00:40.280 --> 02:00:45.240]  You know, don't, don't, don't record when you're, what you're doing on TV or
[02:00:45.240 --> 02:00:47.080]  what you're watching or anything else.
[02:00:47.160 --> 02:00:56.720]  Uh, you know, it's like we have created such a society that is so reliant on
[02:00:56.720 --> 02:01:00.680]  tech that we're letting it get away from us.
[02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:01.200]  Yeah.
[02:01:01.200 --> 02:01:01.920]  It really has.
[02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:02.240]  Yeah.
[02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:05.040]  And I think that's the government's involvement in it.
[02:01:05.040 --> 02:01:08.760]  When you look at what they have funded, it's what Eisenhower warned us about
[02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:10.240]  the military industrial complex.
[02:01:10.240 --> 02:01:12.760]  And he said, also the academic aspect of it as well.
[02:01:13.080 --> 02:01:16.040]  And it's because the government is funding all this stuff that the
[02:01:16.040 --> 02:01:20.400]  government is funding things that can be used for centralized control
[02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:21.960]  and manipulation of people.
[02:01:22.200 --> 02:01:25.240]  And that's why when we talk about this, we talk about this all the time
[02:01:25.240 --> 02:01:28.920]  with Eric Peters, when he comes on, you know, get yourself a car that
[02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:33.120]  doesn't have all the electronics, especially not a car that is constantly
[02:01:33.120 --> 02:01:36.880]  online, uh, because of the types of vulnerabilities that you've pointed
[02:01:36.880 --> 02:01:39.520]  out with the black hat conferences and things like that.
[02:01:39.520 --> 02:01:42.960]  They've, they've illustrated just how dangerous these things can be.
[02:01:43.280 --> 02:01:47.280]  Uh, it could be somebody hacking it, or it could just be that the device
[02:01:47.280 --> 02:01:50.840]  itself, uh, is not working properly.
[02:01:52.280 --> 02:01:57.120]  You remember when we went back to those auto, uh, automated cars where
[02:01:57.120 --> 02:02:01.440]  you just turn it down, you sit there behind steering wheel and you're,
[02:02:01.480 --> 02:02:03.400]  you're not in control of anything.
[02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:03.960]  That's right.
[02:02:04.400 --> 02:02:15.040]  I explained it then that this is all on a sliding scale of, uh, uh, basically,
[02:02:15.040 --> 02:02:19.280]  uh, uh, uh, I forget what did they even call it, but it's its own, uh,
[02:02:22.520 --> 02:02:26.040]  AT&T just texted me, I doubt y'all not talk about them.
[02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:33.120]  It's on a sliding scale, uh, basically a probability.
[02:02:34.400 --> 02:02:39.880]  So I say the president on that scale, one to 10 president gets 10
[02:02:40.280 --> 02:02:41.640]  is programmed in your car.
[02:02:41.640 --> 02:02:44.520]  You're going to avoid running into him at all costs.
[02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:48.560]  And it becomes, uh, of course the programmers, they're going to
[02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:54.240]  give themselves a 10 to, uh, it becomes a, who, who's the decider here?
[02:02:55.120 --> 02:02:58.280]  Let's say, uh, you give a school bus load.
[02:02:58.480 --> 02:02:58.800]  Yeah.
[02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:06.320]  The short bus loaded with, uh, kids, uh, uh, uh, uh, eight, but you have a,
[02:03:06.320 --> 02:03:13.200]  uh, uh, rare species of squirrel that, uh, is endangered and you give it a nine.
[02:03:13.200 --> 02:03:17.280]  So you're driving alone and that squirrel runs out at you and you've
[02:03:17.280 --> 02:03:19.120]  got the short bus coming at you.
[02:03:19.840 --> 02:03:23.960]  The computer is going to say hit the short bus because it's
[02:03:24.440 --> 02:03:26.240]  lower rated than the squirrel.
[02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:27.080]  Yeah.
[02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:28.080]  Right.
[02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:32.040]  So, you know, who gets to decide these things?
[02:03:32.040 --> 02:03:35.160]  Who gets to decide of, uh, who's a zero?
[02:03:35.880 --> 02:03:38.000]  You know, that means everything runs into you.
[02:03:38.680 --> 02:03:42.000]  Well, and of course it's not even just that kind of hierarchy that
[02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:45.760]  could be imposed on us of values, but it's also, uh, if the
[02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:47.040]  device is going to work properly.
[02:03:47.120 --> 02:03:51.320]  I mean, we just had a situation where, um, you know, car was passing
[02:03:51.320 --> 02:03:55.960]  another car and, uh, because the, um, auto lane change thing, this
[02:03:55.960 --> 02:04:00.000]  Reddit, uh, they're trying to get out of the way of the oncoming traffic.
[02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:03.760]  And it pushed them back in at the last minute and, uh, they had a head on
[02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:05.040]  collision and killed everybody in the car.
[02:04:05.040 --> 02:04:07.720]  So you have these types of situations.
[02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:08.080]  Yeah.
[02:04:08.720 --> 02:04:09.080]  Yeah.
[02:04:10.640 --> 02:04:12.720]  You know, people are like, oh, this is great.
[02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:14.200]  I can read the cloud.
[02:04:14.200 --> 02:04:15.720]  Nobody reads papers anymore.
[02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:20.600]  I can text crazy stuff on X and drink coffee while on my commute.
[02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:24.160]  You know, no clue what your, your car is programmed to do.
[02:04:24.440 --> 02:04:24.960]  That's right.
[02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:27.120]  You have no input on it.
[02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:33.320]  And, uh, actually I'm sitting, you know, I've got a pristine, uh, 1998 car.
[02:04:34.080 --> 02:04:35.760]  Uh, they don't even have a CD player.
[02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:37.120]  I'm sitting in it right now.
[02:04:37.240 --> 02:04:41.120]  It's like, I don't want to, I can go buy whatever.
[02:04:41.480 --> 02:04:41.800]  Yeah.
[02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:44.680]  Well, yeah, that's exactly right.
[02:04:46.360 --> 02:04:49.280]  You have a lot of the cars like Tesla's and things like that.
[02:04:49.280 --> 02:04:52.560]  The, even the door locks are under kind of software control.
[02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:54.560]  So if there's an accident, you can't get out of your car.
[02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:57.200]  It's difficult for them to open the car doors.
[02:04:57.520 --> 02:04:59.160]  I had a friend of mine with a Tesla.
[02:04:59.160 --> 02:05:01.400]  He got stuck in the car for quite some time.
[02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:05.160]  He had to get, fortunately he had his phone with them and he contacted
[02:05:05.160 --> 02:05:07.160]  tech support to get them to open his door.
[02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:10.840]  Um, and it wasn't the heat of summer.
[02:05:10.840 --> 02:05:14.200]  So, you know, he didn't die of the heat in the meantime, but, you know, once
[02:05:14.200 --> 02:05:18.720]  you overly complicate things, you know, you take away the ability for people to,
[02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:22.720]  uh, just even crank down their window, for example, since now all the cars
[02:05:22.720 --> 02:05:24.000]  have got electric windows.
[02:05:24.280 --> 02:05:27.280]  Now you've got issues with people and they drive into a body of water.
[02:05:27.280 --> 02:05:30.200]  They can't get out of the car like they used to be able to.
[02:05:30.200 --> 02:05:34.280]  So, uh, as those are just simple examples of what's happening as
[02:05:34.280 --> 02:05:36.440]  we needlessly complicate everything.
[02:05:36.440 --> 02:05:42.440]  I think we are turning into a Rube Goldberg society, uh, even if it's not
[02:05:42.440 --> 02:05:50.320]  malicious, it's even worse, it is just out of, uh, complacency.
[02:05:50.320 --> 02:05:55.840]  I don't know if complacency is the right word, laziness, it has been so
[02:05:55.840 --> 02:06:02.680]  simplified that we go with it without thinking about what we got, you know?
[02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:03.480]  Oh, okay.
[02:06:04.120 --> 02:06:07.080]  My coffee, we went over this with IOT years ago.
[02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:13.760]  I've got a, uh, IOT, uh, coffee pot and, uh, you don't realize how open
[02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:15.600]  that IOT is to everything.
[02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:17.440]  I don't even know if they call it that anymore.
[02:06:17.480 --> 02:06:17.640]  Yeah.
[02:06:17.640 --> 02:06:18.480]  The internet of things.
[02:06:19.200 --> 02:06:19.720]  Exactly.
[02:06:20.480 --> 02:06:21.040]  Yeah.
[02:06:22.800 --> 02:06:24.480]  Well, my pet peeve is our black hat.
[02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:26.160]  Go ahead.
[02:06:26.160 --> 02:06:26.520]  Sorry.
[02:06:26.600 --> 02:06:31.640]  Well, if I'm a black hat and I really hate you, I can hack into your IOT
[02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:37.040]  coffee pot and I don't know, do something, set it on fire and it burn your house down.
[02:06:37.240 --> 02:06:38.400]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:06:39.120 --> 02:06:39.440]  Yeah.
[02:06:39.440 --> 02:06:44.120]  I, it's to the point where we have a, I was going to say, we've got a television
[02:06:44.120 --> 02:06:48.480]  in our living room that is, um, uh, you know, of course they, they don't give
[02:06:48.480 --> 02:06:51.920]  you a knob on the front where you can just turn the thing on or off or even a
[02:06:51.920 --> 02:06:53.640]  button, nothing that you can see.
[02:06:53.640 --> 02:06:57.080]  And they put it on the back and it's black on black.
[02:06:57.080 --> 02:06:58.360]  And it's like, I'm trying to reach around.
[02:06:59.400 --> 02:07:02.400]  You can't see anything and you can't really even feel anything.
[02:07:02.400 --> 02:07:05.320]  They don't even give you some kind of a tactile feedback to
[02:07:05.320 --> 02:07:06.840]  turn the thing on or off manually.
[02:07:07.160 --> 02:07:10.640]  And it's like, and now we're struggling to find the remote control.
[02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:14.000]  Cause we've got a two year old that is roaming the house and moving everything
[02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:16.040]  around, but it's like, why complicate this?
[02:07:16.200 --> 02:07:18.560]  Why can't we just have a button that turns it on or off or a
[02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:19.640]  knob that turns it off?
[02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:23.680]  Everything is, um, you know, the geeks are out there thinking, oh, wouldn't
[02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:27.200]  it be cool if we hid this and we did that and we put that under software control.
[02:07:27.560 --> 02:07:32.480]  And, uh, they've made everything very, very difficult, but, um, any, anything
[02:07:32.480 --> 02:07:36.560]  that you would tell people in terms of, uh, precautions, like, you know, make
[02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:40.000]  sure that you don't have automatic update on, of course, but other things
[02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:42.120]  like that, that'd be of any practical value to people.
[02:07:42.920 --> 02:07:47.440]  Uh, when you're not using it and everybody's going to say, I've lost my mind,
[02:07:47.520 --> 02:07:54.560]  but if you're on a rock router, turn it off when you're not using it, of course,
[02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:56.360]  you're always using it.
[02:07:57.400 --> 02:08:04.560]  So I would go hardwired, uh, into, uh, with computers and things that are online.
[02:08:05.200 --> 02:08:11.240]  I would plug directly in, uh, I would not be using it.
[02:08:11.240 --> 02:08:15.560]  I would not be using wifi any more than necessary, which I'm doing right now,
[02:08:15.560 --> 02:08:23.080]  but, uh, it's, it's, it's a, it's a necessity, but it's an unneeded
[02:08:23.080 --> 02:08:28.160]  necessity because it opens you up to, uh, all sorts of things.
[02:08:28.200 --> 02:08:30.480]  Whereas if you plug directly into.
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[02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:36.880]  Uh, the wall, you have knocked off a lot of this, uh, uh, well, like I
[02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:42.040]  was saying, we're driving, I can drive around and if I can find a router open,
[02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:43.400]  that's what we call it.
[02:10:43.400 --> 02:10:44.200]  We're driving.
[02:10:44.880 --> 02:10:47.520]  I get in your router and do all kinds of cool stuff.
[02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:48.960]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:10:49.120 --> 02:10:51.920]  And of course they can even use the wifi signals.
[02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:55.880]  They can even use the wifi signals to see you inside of your house.
[02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:59.440]  Now, you know, they can kind of reverse engineer those, the signals that are
[02:10:59.440 --> 02:11:03.880]  there, but, uh, you, you'd have the bonus of a health issue as well.
[02:11:04.720 --> 02:11:04.960]  Hmm.
[02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:13.000]  So what you did on your, your television, you, you don't even realize it.
[02:11:13.040 --> 02:11:15.800]  I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say, it's a Sanyo.
[02:11:17.120 --> 02:11:20.720]  No, it's some, I don't know who actually makes it as some off label thing that
[02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:22.960]  we got for cheap, uh, sale on.
[02:11:23.280 --> 02:11:23.600]  Okay.
[02:11:25.600 --> 02:11:26.840]  Fiso or something like that.
[02:11:26.840 --> 02:11:30.440]  So maybe it is made by saying, you, I don't know, but yeah, go ahead.
[02:11:31.080 --> 02:11:36.880]  Well, what you found is when you turned it off and that black screen was there
[02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:45.160]  was without, uh, uh, uh, without even realizing it, these things now have gotten
[02:11:45.200 --> 02:11:51.760]  to where they're using subliminal programming where let's say you sit down
[02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:55.840]  and watch the news, I don't know which news, it don't matter.
[02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:01.720]  Uh, they, you've got, well, first off, you've got several billion pixels.
[02:12:02.800 --> 02:12:08.600]  You cannot use several billion pixels for one image.
[02:12:10.080 --> 02:12:17.760]  So I can prove it if people want to, I mean, if they care enough, put the TV
[02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:28.760]  on, uh, the news right now, look at the newscaster in your eyes and walk up to
[02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:34.800]  the TV until you can see the two white dots in their eyes, those white dots
[02:12:34.800 --> 02:12:37.200]  there are meant to hold your attention.
[02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:45.200]  So naturally you're looking at the face and in the background, they will
[02:12:45.200 --> 02:12:53.640]  have, uh, some other pixels dedicated to, uh, basically ghost programming.
[02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:55.880]  That is for the advertisers.
[02:12:56.760 --> 02:13:02.120]  So you're fixated on watching that broadcaster and on your peripheral
[02:13:02.120 --> 02:13:09.800]  vision, you're catching whatever they're advertising, let's say of hamburgers.
[02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:11.960]  We've sat there long enough.
[02:13:11.960 --> 02:13:13.680]  It's going to get into your subconscious.
[02:13:13.680 --> 02:13:15.840]  The next thing you know, you're craving hamburgers.
[02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:16.800]  Yeah.
[02:13:17.480 --> 02:13:19.120]  That's why all those pixels are there.
[02:13:19.440 --> 02:13:20.680]  It's like they live, right?
[02:13:22.200 --> 02:13:22.440]  Yeah.
[02:13:22.440 --> 02:13:22.800]  Sorry.
[02:13:23.360 --> 02:13:24.440]  Why did we deterred?
[02:13:25.080 --> 02:13:25.440]  That's right.
[02:13:25.440 --> 02:13:30.080]  Behind the news is saying obey and comply.
[02:13:30.080 --> 02:13:30.360]  Yeah.
[02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:34.600]  I will tell you the funniest thing in the world to do.
[02:13:35.360 --> 02:13:36.200]  It's so simple.
[02:13:36.240 --> 02:13:42.840]  Just mute the, uh, broadcaster or you can't hear them and watch them.
[02:13:43.400 --> 02:13:45.840]  I look like the most ridiculous thing on the earth.
[02:13:47.280 --> 02:13:48.000]  I'm serious.
[02:13:48.280 --> 02:13:56.040]  Without, without that layered, uh, sound, you're going to be going, what in the
[02:13:56.040 --> 02:14:00.160]  world, but when you combine it all together, it works as addictive.
[02:14:00.680 --> 02:14:01.440]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:14:01.800 --> 02:14:02.200]  That's right.
[02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:03.200]  Yeah.
[02:14:03.200 --> 02:14:09.120]  There's a lot of, I haven't gone back to the old, uh, I haven't
[02:14:09.120 --> 02:14:12.320]  gone back to old Zenith TV yet, but I wish I could.
[02:14:12.680 --> 02:14:13.080]  Yeah.
[02:14:13.160 --> 02:14:16.000]  I mean, my, my big thing is, you know, just the on off button.
[02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:18.320]  You know, it sometimes it's difficult to turn it on.
[02:14:18.320 --> 02:14:21.600]  Sometimes it turns itself like on when you don't want it on, you know?
[02:14:21.600 --> 02:14:23.440]  So ours does that as well.
[02:14:24.360 --> 02:14:26.040]  Some ghosts in the machine for sure.
[02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:29.000]  Well, maybe it knows best.
[02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:30.920]  It's like David's getting addicted to this.
[02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:31.960]  Let's turn it off.
[02:14:32.040 --> 02:14:32.400]  Yeah.
[02:14:32.480 --> 02:14:32.760]  Yeah.
[02:14:33.080 --> 02:14:35.800]  Well, you know, that's one of the things that Jack Lawson, for example, he's
[02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:38.360]  been putting together the civil defense manual for quite some time.
[02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:45.480]  And he always deliberately put it out as a two volume paper, uh, because again,
[02:14:45.480 --> 02:14:50.480]  you know, when it hits the fan, uh, you're going to need to have that book that's
[02:14:50.480 --> 02:14:53.840]  there and other people that I've talked to that are about prepping and other
[02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:58.080]  things that they have computers that they have stored things on and they've got it
[02:14:58.080 --> 02:15:02.120]  on, um, let's say CDs or something like that, if it's really important and they
[02:15:02.120 --> 02:15:06.320]  want to have it and it's on an air gapped computer that's not connected to the
[02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:07.240]  internet ever.
[02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.080]  And so there's certain things like that that are important for people to do.
[02:15:11.080 --> 02:15:11.520]  I think
[02:15:13.080 --> 02:15:17.640]  that's one of the smartest things people, I mean, I'm not saying preppers, but
[02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:22.760]  you know, what if we have a, it could be any incident, a hurricane.
[02:15:22.800 --> 02:15:25.920]  Well, you don't have very many hurricanes in Tennessee, but you
[02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:33.000]  did have a flood and you're isolated for, I don't know, for several days and you
[02:15:33.000 --> 02:15:36.640]  need knowledge that you've already downloaded.
[02:15:36.640 --> 02:15:42.520]  I don't know, maybe medical knowledge, uh, survival knowledge, uh, whatever
[02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:47.360]  it's there on hand or you can't access it because it's sent on YouTube or
[02:15:47.360 --> 02:15:48.520]  something, which is down.
[02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:49.080]  Yeah.
[02:15:49.280 --> 02:15:49.560]  Yeah.
[02:15:50.040 --> 02:15:51.560]  But if you got it in a book, you got it.
[02:15:53.760 --> 02:15:53.960]  Yeah.
[02:15:54.000 --> 02:15:57.880]  Well, our video, some people got to where they can't read anymore.
[02:15:57.880 --> 02:16:01.520]  It's like, give them a video, whatever it takes.
[02:16:01.640 --> 02:16:07.440]  But you know, that collection of knowledge is probably one of the
[02:16:07.440 --> 02:16:09.240]  smartest things a person can do.
[02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:10.040]  Yes.
[02:16:10.760 --> 02:16:11.600]  Yes, absolutely.
[02:16:12.120 --> 02:16:14.400]  Well, there's a, some helpful hints for people.
[02:16:14.400 --> 02:16:15.600]  And it's always great talking to you.
[02:16:15.600 --> 02:16:17.360]  Always interesting talking to you and you're not doing
[02:16:17.360 --> 02:16:18.600]  cyber security anymore, right?
[02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:22.320]  Uh, you want to, uh, are you still doing any writing?
[02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:25.600]  Uh, yeah, I am.
[02:16:25.640 --> 02:16:32.240]  Uh, I'm, I've redirected my, uh, focus to something that's called, uh,
[02:16:34.560 --> 02:16:39.320]  Oh Lord, it's called quantum, uh, levitation.
[02:16:41.320 --> 02:16:41.760]  Quantum.
[02:16:44.360 --> 02:16:44.680]  Yep.
[02:16:46.400 --> 02:16:49.480]  And it is in its, it's in its infancy.
[02:16:50.400 --> 02:16:54.800]  And if we can ever crack some codes on some, some materials is going
[02:16:54.800 --> 02:16:57.560]  to change the world once again.
[02:16:58.120 --> 02:17:01.120]  Hey, here I am talking about changing the world and reverting
[02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:02.680]  back to old school stuff.
[02:17:02.680 --> 02:17:03.680]  So go figure.
[02:17:04.240 --> 02:17:04.560]  Yeah.
[02:17:05.440 --> 02:17:11.320]  If you can imagine, if you can imagine freight trains being powered by, uh,
[02:17:12.200 --> 02:17:15.880]  like leaf blowers, that's the energy it would take.
[02:17:15.880 --> 02:17:22.720]  You have a thin line where it doesn't touch anything applies to cars.
[02:17:22.720 --> 02:17:23.800]  It applies to everything.
[02:17:24.640 --> 02:17:32.040]  Uh, the technology is here, but a lot of the components aren't
[02:17:32.080 --> 02:17:33.840]  and it's still in its infancy.
[02:17:35.080 --> 02:17:39.880]  But when that does hit, you're going to get more industry, uh, pushback,
[02:17:40.320 --> 02:17:41.320]  probably outlawed.
[02:17:42.200 --> 02:17:46.120]  I mean, you've got, you know, the tiring industry, it's one of probably
[02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:48.280]  a trillion dollar a year business.
[02:17:49.120 --> 02:17:52.800]  Oh, they are not going to like big, going the way of the horse and buggy
[02:17:52.800 --> 02:17:53.520]  and things like that.
[02:17:53.560 --> 02:17:59.600]  I'm not talking George Jetson stuff, but I'm talking, uh, where your car
[02:17:59.600 --> 02:18:02.200]  is traveling maybe an inch off the ground.
[02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:07.000]  And it also is encapsulated to where nothing can run into you.
[02:18:08.720 --> 02:18:09.960]  Uh, it's magnetism.
[02:18:09.960 --> 02:18:13.800]  It pushes back negative push back from positive and that sort of thing.
[02:18:14.720 --> 02:18:15.480]  That is interesting.
[02:18:15.480 --> 02:18:20.720]  I also, I was just looking at, uh, go ahead.
[02:18:20.800 --> 02:18:21.120]  Sorry.
[02:18:21.720 --> 02:18:22.160]  Well, go ahead.
[02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:25.040]  I was just looking, you're going to do deep space.
[02:18:25.600 --> 02:18:26.600]  Yeah, go ahead.
[02:18:26.600 --> 02:18:27.000]  Oh, okay.
[02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:27.440]  Go ahead.
[02:18:28.720 --> 02:18:29.480]  Deep space.
[02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:35.320]  If you're doing deep space, uh, travel, you're going to have to
[02:18:35.320 --> 02:18:37.000]  have an artificial gravity.
[02:18:37.320 --> 02:18:42.200]  You can't just let people float around and stuff float around in the vehicle.
[02:18:43.320 --> 02:18:49.280]  For, uh, years, cause if they're unable to, I mean, they get the muscular or
[02:18:49.280 --> 02:18:52.040]  not, they have muscular deterioration, stuff like that.
[02:18:53.080 --> 02:18:57.080]  Well, if they, uh, shoot for a planet that has time, 10 gravitation, they
[02:18:57.080 --> 02:18:58.720]  aren't even going to be able to walk.
[02:18:59.400 --> 02:18:59.720]  Yeah.
[02:19:00.240 --> 02:19:03.200]  So, you know, it, it applies to everything.
[02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:11.160]  You could put, uh, knee pads and, uh, uh, elbow pads and I guess a helmet on
[02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:14.640]  people that are prone to fall and they could fall all they want.
[02:19:14.640 --> 02:19:15.720]  They'll never get the floor.
[02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:23.040]  And, uh, it's just, you know, it's just, it will rewrite the rules of the world.
[02:19:23.920 --> 02:19:29.920]  And here I am saying, well, you know, I want to go back to 1960s technology.
[02:19:29.920 --> 02:19:32.040]  We had it right first, but yet I'm doing this.
[02:19:32.040 --> 02:19:32.920]  So go figure.
[02:19:33.040 --> 02:19:33.520]  That's right.
[02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:34.160]  That's right.
[02:19:34.440 --> 02:19:34.760]  Yeah.
[02:19:34.760 --> 02:19:36.080]  You know, it's kind of interesting.
[02:19:36.080 --> 02:19:39.920]  Um, I just saw an article about how, uh, they're, uh, you know, between
[02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:42.880]  Musk and Bezos and they got their different ideas about what they want to
[02:19:42.880 --> 02:19:45.680]  do with space exploration, but they're also talking about.
[02:19:45.760 --> 02:19:50.080]  Uh, the same kind of approach that Gerard, Gerard K O'Neill was talking
[02:19:50.080 --> 02:19:53.000]  about in his book, High Frontiers at the end of the 1970s, and they're
[02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:59.960]  talking about doing maglev, um, uh, launching a materials off the moon's surface.
[02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:04.040]  So, uh, yeah, there's a lot of things like that, that are, uh, going to
[02:20:04.040 --> 02:20:05.680]  change things very, very rapidly.
[02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:11.240]  Uh, and again, as we look at it, it's not just us going back and hanging
[02:20:11.240 --> 02:20:12.560]  on to the things that are familiar.
[02:20:12.880 --> 02:20:17.600]  There is a lot of wisdom in terms of, uh, pulling back against some
[02:20:17.600 --> 02:20:21.320]  of these technological things, just because it's something new and just
[02:20:21.320 --> 02:20:24.800]  because it's some kind of a gee whiz technology thing doesn't necessarily
[02:20:24.800 --> 02:20:26.360]  mean that you want to do that, you know?
[02:20:26.520 --> 02:20:30.560]  And, uh, I guess that's one of the things as engineers we look at and we
[02:20:30.560 --> 02:20:34.560]  always get caught up in a new way of doing things, but sometimes, uh, there's
[02:20:34.560 --> 02:20:37.000]  wisdom in some of the older things.
[02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:40.520]  If you are thinking about the consequence of it, it's always great
[02:20:40.520 --> 02:20:41.480]  talking to you, Goatree.
[02:20:41.480 --> 02:20:42.760]  Thank you so much for coming on.
[02:20:44.320 --> 02:20:45.560]  Oh, it's my pleasure, David.
[02:20:45.560 --> 02:20:46.800]  And I hope you're feeling better.
[02:20:47.240 --> 02:20:48.720]  Yeah, a little bit, a little bit better.
[02:20:48.720 --> 02:20:49.560]  Thank you so much.
[02:20:49.560 --> 02:20:54.560]  Um, and, um, you know, probably you'll need one of those, um, those helmets
[02:20:54.560 --> 02:20:56.920]  and knee pads that you're talking about before too much longer.
[02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:02.440]  Well, if we could ever get past this liquid, we could get past
[02:21:02.440 --> 02:21:04.160]  this liquid nitrogen problem.
[02:21:04.160 --> 02:21:06.320]  I, you'll be the first on my list to get one.
[02:21:06.720 --> 02:21:07.160]  Okay.
[02:21:07.440 --> 02:21:07.840]  All right.
[02:21:07.840 --> 02:21:08.440]  Thanks a lot.
[02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:09.680]  I have a good day.
[02:21:09.680 --> 02:21:11.480]  Thank you again for talking to us, Goatree.
[02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:12.560]  Always great talking to you.
[02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:14.680]  My pleasure.
[02:21:14.720 --> 02:21:15.160]  Bye bye.
[02:21:15.320 --> 02:21:15.640]  Bye bye.
[02:21:16.080 --> 02:21:17.280]  Well, that's it for our show today.
[02:21:17.280 --> 02:21:19.720]  I just want to remind you, as I said at the beginning of the program, we've
[02:21:19.720 --> 02:21:24.160]  only got about a week left in the month and we're not quite at the halfway mark.
[02:21:24.880 --> 02:21:29.920]  You know, it's, um, we, we hear in both, um, Deuteronomy as well as in the
[02:21:29.920 --> 02:21:34.480]  New Testament, the phrase I'm sure you've heard, don't muzzle the ox as
[02:21:34.480 --> 02:21:35.720]  he's treading out the grain.
[02:21:36.200 --> 02:21:40.400]  Well, if I'm the ox, I guess what I'm trying to tread on and try to keep
[02:21:40.840 --> 02:21:45.560]  from being tread on us is the grain, the acronym of genetics, robotics,
[02:21:45.560 --> 02:21:47.480]  artificial intelligence, and nanotech.
[02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:51.600]  We have to keep an eye out for what these people are trying to do to us.
[02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:55.200]  And if you would like to help us sound the alarm, we really would appreciate
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