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[01:00.000 --> 01:06.040]  The world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
[01:06.040 --> 01:14.440]  It's the David Knight Show.
[01:14.440 --> 01:21.120]  As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday, the 27th of February, year of our Lord, 2026.
[01:21.120 --> 01:24.680]  Well today we're going to have a couple of interviews I think you're going to find really
[01:24.680 --> 01:26.020]  informative.
[01:26.020 --> 01:29.480]  We have one person who's going to share his cancer story.
[01:29.480 --> 01:35.400]  He has now 52 years past the point they said he'd be dead.
[01:35.400 --> 01:38.040]  I think you're going to find it very enlightening, very hopeful.
[01:38.040 --> 01:45.440]  As a matter of fact, he's got an acronym for what he does, HOPE, helping other people escape
[01:45.440 --> 01:51.180]  the kind of medieval treatment that we have in the cancer community that's here.
[01:51.180 --> 01:55.860]  But we're also going to be talking about another thing that a lot of people will dismiss as
[01:55.860 --> 01:56.860]  medieval.
[01:56.860 --> 02:01.660]  I want to finish up what I began yesterday in terms of talking about the satanic singularity
[02:01.660 --> 02:03.780]  that we see coming towards us.
[02:03.780 --> 02:09.420]  And of course it's all the different aspects of the Epstein, pedophile, satanic, ritual
[02:09.420 --> 02:10.980]  child abuse that's there.
[02:10.980 --> 02:17.060]  The pharmacia, the sorcery, the push towards using these hallucinogenic drugs that have
[02:17.060 --> 02:23.180]  always been throughout millennia have been used as a way to contact the occult.
[02:23.180 --> 02:29.020]  And of course, the way the CIA has used this and artichoke and MKUltra and many other things,
[02:29.020 --> 02:33.300]  there's all these different threads seem to be coming together.
[02:33.300 --> 02:39.300]  And the Trump administration seems to be ready to do this through so-called disclosure.
[02:39.300 --> 02:42.060]  Well, let's begin with that.
[02:42.060 --> 02:45.340]  I was talking about this yesterday and I ran out of time and there's a lot more that I
[02:45.340 --> 02:47.300]  really wanted to say.
[02:47.300 --> 02:49.580]  Didn't get a chance to cover it.
[02:49.580 --> 02:55.500]  And I just started talking about DMT, which in case you don't know what that is, it's
[02:55.500 --> 03:00.620]  something that has been used for a very long time in the Amazon, and they have used it
[03:00.620 --> 03:04.740]  for psychedelic rituals as part of religions there.
[03:04.740 --> 03:09.420]  And this is something that we have seen used for thousands of years.
[03:09.420 --> 03:14.020]  Of course, the Bible refers to that as pharmacia, translated as sorcery.
[03:14.020 --> 03:18.940]  I used to refer to that all the time as Big Pharma, pharmacia, because it talked about
[03:18.980 --> 03:25.020]  how the biggest men on earth in terms of money and importance and things like that would
[03:25.020 --> 03:27.860]  not repent of their murders and other things.
[03:27.860 --> 03:32.860]  And I think it also ties into that, but this is quite literally what was being talked about
[03:32.860 --> 03:33.860]  in the Bible.
[03:33.860 --> 03:36.460]  And now there's an attempt to mainstream it.
[03:36.460 --> 03:40.660]  It's an attempt that is coming multiple places from government officials and politicians.
[03:40.660 --> 03:45.940]  It's not just the CIA using it for their own occultic programs, but these are politicians
[03:45.940 --> 03:47.220]  that are using it now.
[03:47.220 --> 03:53.780]  And just to give you an idea of DMT, they're now pushing it as a promising therapy for
[03:53.780 --> 03:54.780]  depression.
[03:54.780 --> 03:58.140]  And you've got some pharmaceutical companies that are getting on board to make a lot of
[03:58.140 --> 03:59.140]  money out of it.
[03:59.140 --> 04:06.020]  If you look it up, you will find a lot of people talking about mechanical elves and
[04:06.020 --> 04:10.620]  other beings that they come in contact with when they take DMT.
[04:10.620 --> 04:16.580]  And I know someone who told me that he took it, and he said it's the scariest thing he
[04:16.940 --> 04:21.260]  ever had happen to him in his life, and he gets really wide-eyed when he starts to talk
[04:21.260 --> 04:22.940]  about it.
[04:22.940 --> 04:27.460]  There are common descriptions of what people come across.
[04:27.460 --> 04:28.460]  Here's an example of this.
[04:28.460 --> 04:32.340]  And this is a book that was written by somebody who actually likes it and is pushing it.
[04:32.340 --> 04:34.300]  There's a lot of people who are very excited about it.
[04:34.300 --> 04:40.020]  They even call themselves some of them psychonauts and saying that they're like astronauts who
[04:40.020 --> 04:44.060]  are traveling but into a different dimension.
[04:44.540 --> 04:50.540]  And they want to share their experiences with these beings that they come in contact with.
[04:50.540 --> 04:57.180]  And so here's this one book, The Illustrated Field Guide to DMT Entities, Machine Elves,
[04:57.180 --> 05:01.780]  Tricksters, Teachers, and Other Interdimensional Beings.
[05:01.780 --> 05:07.500]  And there's a quote from another author of another book that's called DMT, The Spirit
[05:07.500 --> 05:09.180]  Molecule.
[05:09.180 --> 05:12.660]  Richard Strassman is the author of that, is an MD.
[05:12.660 --> 05:16.980]  He said, The psychedelic version of fantastic beasts and where to find them.
[05:16.980 --> 05:19.940]  We know where to find them, and now we know what to expect.
[05:19.940 --> 05:25.020]  New species will be discovered, others may die out, but this compendium of DMT beings
[05:25.020 --> 05:31.140]  provides a most exhaustive snapshot of our day's varieties.
[05:31.140 --> 05:36.620]  Another one, another review from the author of another book about the same type of thing,
[05:36.620 --> 05:40.700]  The Visionary, The Mysterious Origins of Human Consciousness.
[05:40.740 --> 05:45.820]  He writes, The DMT experience is fundamentally about exploring and traveling to unknown or
[05:45.820 --> 05:52.140]  forgotten realms, realms that are unutterably strange and yet strangely familiar.
[05:52.140 --> 05:55.980]  These realms are inhabited by intelligent beings with much to teach.
[05:55.980 --> 06:00.180]  Like any challenging and perhaps even perilous journey, it's important to prepare and to
[06:00.180 --> 06:05.540]  be willing to learn from the experiences and the hard-won knowledge of others.
[06:05.540 --> 06:09.420]  Another review, DMT is fascinating for many reasons, but not the least because it seems
[06:09.420 --> 06:17.220]  to provide ready access to hyperdimensional realm populated by a vast collection of nonhuman,
[06:17.220 --> 06:21.100]  intelligent, apparently independent entities.
[06:21.100 --> 06:26.980]  Often these entities seem to have a message or many messages for our species or an individual
[06:26.980 --> 06:30.900]  psychonaut that are weighted with portent.
[06:30.900 --> 06:35.180]  They definitely seem to have a classification system and characteristics that are familiar
[06:35.180 --> 06:37.220]  to many psychedelic voyagers.
[06:38.020 --> 06:40.740]  And then one more I'll give you here.
[06:40.740 --> 06:45.300]  The demonic, from the demonic to the divine, this is the most beautiful, comprehensive
[06:45.300 --> 06:51.180]  and I dare say indispensable guide to the resident fauna of the DMT realm.
[06:51.180 --> 06:57.420]  You won't want to venture into the hyperdimensional hinterlands without this field guide in your
[06:57.420 --> 06:58.420]  back pocket.
[06:58.420 --> 07:02.700]  I imagine when somebody's on a trip of this kind of stuff, you're not going to be pulling
[07:02.700 --> 07:05.440]  out a book to read it.
[07:05.440 --> 07:11.460]  This guy is the author of Alien Information Theory and Reality Switch Technologies.
[07:11.460 --> 07:15.580]  The best bestiary or hyperspace denizens so far.
[07:15.580 --> 07:19.860]  So again, there's a whole culture that has come up around this.
[07:19.860 --> 07:20.860]  And this is ancient.
[07:20.860 --> 07:27.320]  It's been happening for thousands of years and yet in our lifetime since World War II,
[07:27.320 --> 07:31.360]  we've had this fable of UFOs that has taken place.
[07:31.360 --> 07:36.840]  That is the fable, folks, and yet they want to present that as a scientific reality.
[07:36.840 --> 07:41.840]  That is what is before us and we need to get a handle on the reference points.
[07:41.840 --> 07:46.380]  This is one that, you know, generally I would say I see eye to eye pretty much on politics
[07:46.380 --> 07:50.560]  with David Icke, but this is where we part ways.
[07:50.560 --> 07:55.480]  Because what he does is he looks at it in the same way that Arthur C. Clarke did in
[07:56.080 --> 08:02.280]  the film that I talked about yesterday, Childhood's End, where he posits in his science fiction
[08:02.280 --> 08:07.320]  he has a group of aliens actually coming from a planet of fire.
[08:07.320 --> 08:13.280]  And they look exactly like all the medieval depictions of Satan or demons, complete with
[08:13.280 --> 08:17.760]  the baphomet horns and the cloved hooves and all the rest of stuff and red skin and all
[08:17.760 --> 08:19.040]  the rest of that.
[08:19.040 --> 08:24.240]  And so what he's doing is he's saying, well, it was space aliens all along, you just got
[08:24.240 --> 08:27.800]  it wrong thinking that it was demons, right?
[08:27.800 --> 08:29.200]  And David Icke says the same thing as well.
[08:29.200 --> 08:32.840]  He says, you've got all these religions and cultures, they talk about gens, they talk
[08:32.840 --> 08:37.360]  about demons and all the rest of stuff, but it's really just space aliens.
[08:37.360 --> 08:41.080]  I say they flipped the labels, they flipped the switch.
[08:41.080 --> 08:46.120]  They have done this because they can't posit the idea of there being a god.
[08:46.120 --> 08:50.760]  And so this is an evolutionary inversion of reality.
[08:50.760 --> 08:52.800]  And that's what we need to come to grips with.
[08:52.800 --> 08:58.360]  All of these different streams are coming together, the ritualized drugs that play tricks
[08:58.360 --> 09:01.520]  with your mind and perhaps do take you to another realm.
[09:01.520 --> 09:02.520]  Who knows what's happening?
[09:02.520 --> 09:07.520]  I had a, there was a guy that was working on documentary that I met at an event that
[09:07.520 --> 09:13.320]  I was speaking at and they had gone to Burning Man and what they said, they saw there and
[09:13.320 --> 09:19.520]  were told that they had all these executives, all these Silicon Valley big tech executives,
[09:19.520 --> 09:21.120]  the multi-billionaires.
[09:21.160 --> 09:25.160]  They were all in a tent, a bunch of them in a tent and they were doing DMT and they were
[09:25.160 --> 09:30.520]  getting technology from these mechanical elves that they would then use.
[09:30.520 --> 09:35.180]  Now I don't know if that was true or not, but he said these people thought it was happening.
[09:35.180 --> 09:40.880]  And so when you look at this and what is behind it, whether you're talking about the technocracy
[09:40.880 --> 09:47.400]  and their idea of a singularity, which again is a counterfeit repetition of the lies of
[09:47.400 --> 09:53.920]  the Garden of Eden, when you look at these different threads, the ancient ritualized
[09:53.920 --> 09:59.960]  drugs that would get people in contact with these spirits, as well as the ritualized child
[09:59.960 --> 10:05.520]  abuse, all of it is connected to these intelligence agencies and to Jeffrey Epstein and the people
[10:05.520 --> 10:06.520]  of that ilk.
[10:06.520 --> 10:09.560]  And so all these different threads are coming together.
[10:09.560 --> 10:15.520]  And I think when you look at how they're going to push this out and to what end this is going
[10:15.520 --> 10:20.960]  to be, I think they're ready to do it because we had, as I pointed out yesterday, we had
[10:20.960 --> 10:25.080]  Barack Obama just kind of casually, oh yeah, they're real, you know, and let that sit there
[10:25.080 --> 10:28.560]  for about a day and then he came back from it.
[10:28.560 --> 10:32.600]  The next day, Laura Trump, I don't know if it was the next day, but it was soon after
[10:32.600 --> 10:37.480]  that, Laura Trump on Fox News was talking about it and I reported this and she said,
[10:37.480 --> 10:40.520]  yeah, my father-in-law has got the letter written.
[10:40.520 --> 10:43.680]  It's just a question of timing.
[10:43.680 --> 10:47.080]  And so we can look at this from a purely political standpoint and say, yeah, he wants to have
[10:47.080 --> 10:51.360]  something that's going to distract people and certainly there will be an advantage to
[10:51.360 --> 10:52.760]  him for that.
[10:52.760 --> 10:54.600]  But he is also selling this as well.
[10:54.600 --> 11:00.160]  He was then asked a question by Peter Ducey of Fox News on Air Force One about what Obama
[11:00.160 --> 11:03.080]  had said and this is what Trump said.
[11:03.080 --> 11:07.560]  Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
[11:07.560 --> 11:11.480]  Have you seen any evidence of non-human visitors to Earth?
[11:11.480 --> 11:13.240]  Well, he gave classified information.
[11:13.240 --> 11:15.320]  He's not supposed to be doing that.
[11:15.320 --> 11:16.320]  So aliens are real?
[11:16.320 --> 11:17.520]  Well, I don't know if they're real or not.
[11:17.520 --> 11:19.720]  I can tell you he gave classified information.
[11:19.720 --> 11:21.400]  He's not supposed to be doing that.
[11:21.400 --> 11:23.760]  He made a mistake.
[11:23.760 --> 11:26.040]  He took it out of classified information.
[11:26.040 --> 11:28.000]  No, I don't have an opinion on it.
[11:28.000 --> 11:29.520]  I never talk about it.
[11:29.520 --> 11:30.840]  A lot of people do.
[11:30.840 --> 11:33.320]  A lot of people believe it.
[11:33.320 --> 11:34.680]  Do you believe it, Peter?
[11:34.680 --> 11:37.720]  Well, the president can declassify anything that he wants to.
[11:37.720 --> 11:39.280]  So if you want to make an announcement.
[11:39.280 --> 11:41.360]  I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.
[11:41.360 --> 11:43.000]  We know illegal aliens.
[11:43.080 --> 11:45.800]  Yeah, maybe he will declassify it, right?
[11:45.800 --> 11:47.600]  And like Laura Trump says, I got the letter written.
[11:47.600 --> 11:50.000]  It's just a matter of when he wants to drop that.
[11:50.000 --> 11:52.800]  And of course, then they asked Pete Hegseth,
[11:52.800 --> 11:55.480]  because this is kind of under the Department of Defense.
[11:55.480 --> 11:57.560]  And here's what Pete Hegseth had to say.
[11:57.560 --> 12:00.600]  Three days ago, President Trump directed you to begin the process
[12:00.600 --> 12:05.200]  of identifying and releasing the UFO and the rape files.
[12:05.200 --> 12:07.840]  Did you ever think that you would be the secretary of war
[12:07.840 --> 12:12.280]  in charge of potentially declassifying extraterrestrial life
[12:12.760 --> 12:15.920]  I did not. I did not have that on my bingo card at all.
[12:15.920 --> 12:17.320]  And are you prepared to do that now?
[12:17.320 --> 12:19.440]  Of course. I mean, we've got our people working on it right now.
[12:19.440 --> 12:22.920]  I don't want to oversell how much time it will take, right?
[12:22.920 --> 12:24.040]  We're digging in.
[12:24.040 --> 12:26.880]  We're going to be in full compliance with that executive order.
[12:26.880 --> 12:28.360]  Are you here to provide that for the president?
[12:28.360 --> 12:32.000]  So there'll be more coming on that as far as the process of what we'll do.
[12:32.000 --> 12:33.240]  And what sort of time frame?
[12:33.240 --> 12:35.360]  Do you have any sense for how long this is going to take?
[12:35.360 --> 12:37.800]  I don't have a time frame for you yet, but stand by.
[12:37.800 --> 12:38.600]  We'll get it for you.
[12:38.600 --> 12:40.520]  And you'll give us the latest on what's happening.
[12:40.520 --> 12:41.800]  Do you think aliens exist?
[12:41.840 --> 12:44.320]  We'll see. I get to do the review and find out along with you.
[12:46.320 --> 12:48.400]  Well, there are definitely other beings.
[12:48.400 --> 12:52.320]  And of course, every Christian knows that we're not the only intelligent life.
[12:52.320 --> 12:53.960]  We know that God is there.
[12:53.960 --> 12:56.160]  We know that there's angels and demons.
[12:56.160 --> 13:00.560]  And we also know that all this stuff that they like to present as hidden
[13:00.560 --> 13:02.880]  knowledge is simply the occult.
[13:03.520 --> 13:06.240]  And the American government has been trading in the occult
[13:06.240 --> 13:08.880]  and working in the occult for a very, very long time.
[13:08.880 --> 13:11.160]  Going back to the CIA in the mid 20th century,
[13:11.800 --> 13:15.280]  Project Artichoke is about 70 years ago,
[13:15.280 --> 13:20.200]  the CIA discussed hiding mind control drugs and vaccines.
[13:20.560 --> 13:22.920]  This is from Children's Health Defense.
[13:22.920 --> 13:28.160]  The program Project Artichoke ran from 1951 to 1956.
[13:28.760 --> 13:32.680]  So in the 1950s, the CIA brainstormed ways to secretly perform
[13:33.160 --> 13:37.320]  mind control on humans, including concealing drugs and vaccines
[13:37.320 --> 13:39.680]  and widely consumed food products.
[13:39.680 --> 13:42.520]  A newly unearthed CIA document revealed
[13:43.120 --> 13:45.440]  the Daily Mail first reported the story on Monday.
[13:45.960 --> 13:49.560]  The seven page document special research for Artichoke.
[13:49.960 --> 13:53.280]  It described a series of ideas for how to develop chemicals
[13:53.280 --> 13:55.920]  designed to alter human behavior via drugs.
[13:56.480 --> 14:00.160]  The proposals contained in the document were part of the CIA's top secret
[14:00.160 --> 14:03.440]  Project Artichoke, which ran from 51 to 56.
[14:03.920 --> 14:07.400]  According to the Daily Mail, it included administering drugs in secret
[14:07.960 --> 14:10.440]  as part of a long range approach to subjects.
[14:11.040 --> 14:13.960]  Again, we know they did this with LSD
[14:14.920 --> 14:19.000]  and there was a famous scientist who was taken out with that.
[14:19.600 --> 14:22.440]  And so they had no qualms whatsoever
[14:23.120 --> 14:27.240]  giving things to people surreptitiously and without informed consent.
[14:27.240 --> 14:31.640]  The study should include the whole practice of putting
[14:32.280 --> 14:36.280]  products in food that's consumed that has a psychedelic effect.
[14:36.400 --> 14:39.760]  Isn't that essentially fluoride in the water supply for one thing?
[14:39.920 --> 14:41.800]  Yeah, you could put that in that category as well.
[14:41.800 --> 14:45.240]  Yeah, they definitely want to control our minds in order to dumb them down,
[14:45.880 --> 14:47.800]  not to open them up to other beings.
[14:47.800 --> 14:49.600]  But all of these things are part of it.
[14:49.600 --> 14:52.400]  When you look at the CIA, how evil they have been.
[14:52.400 --> 14:56.200]  They have it's not just this didn't start with Jeffrey Epstein.
[14:56.800 --> 14:58.440]  They were doing this a long time before that.
[14:58.440 --> 15:03.120]  They were setting up honey pot traps to blackmail people with sexual stuff.
[15:03.160 --> 15:07.440]  And in terms of mind control drugs and all the rest of this,
[15:08.080 --> 15:10.560]  pedophile rings, all of this.
[15:10.560 --> 15:15.040]  And this truly is a convergence of a lot of these different
[15:15.040 --> 15:17.400]  evil streams that have been out there.
[15:17.400 --> 15:18.760]  They're all related to each other.
[15:18.760 --> 15:22.520]  When you look at what is happening, you know, we've been sold a
[15:23.240 --> 15:27.320]  mythology through Hollywood for quite some time about UFOs
[15:27.320 --> 15:32.000]  to try to put it into a scientific approach, a scientific and mathematical approach.
[15:32.560 --> 15:36.400]  And what it is, is a rebranding of an ancient truth
[15:37.120 --> 15:40.400]  because the ancient truth has to be kept from us, right?
[15:40.400 --> 15:44.800]  As I talked about yesterday, there was one scientist who was a secularist and atheist.
[15:45.360 --> 15:46.560]  He did an investigation of it.
[15:46.560 --> 15:51.840]  He said, well, they're not behaving as if they were aliens from another planet.
[15:51.840 --> 15:56.960]  They're tricksters and they're deceptive and there's religious aspects of it as well.
[15:57.520 --> 16:00.560]  But again, going back to the CIA, the study should include
[16:00.640 --> 16:05.280]  chemicals, they said, or drugs that can effectively be concealed in common items such as
[16:05.280 --> 16:09.440]  food, water, Coca-Cola, beer, liquor, cigarettes, et cetera.
[16:09.440 --> 16:12.560]  This type of drug should be capable of use in standard medical treatments
[16:13.120 --> 16:16.240]  like vaccinations, shots, et cetera.
[16:16.960 --> 16:20.160]  And so they experimented on people as part of Project Artichoke.
[16:20.800 --> 16:25.840]  They included also mushrooms in this that produce a certain type of intoxication,
[16:25.840 --> 16:31.200]  mental derangement, and of course, LSD was a synthetic that was created by them,
[16:31.200 --> 16:32.240]  popularized by them.
[16:32.880 --> 16:39.440]  And then as they're pushing these drugs like LSD and Ken Kesey and his merry band of pranksters,
[16:40.320 --> 16:43.040]  they then said, well, that's so dangerous.
[16:43.040 --> 16:45.040]  We need to have drug prohibition.
[16:45.680 --> 16:46.880]  That was the beginning of the drug war.
[16:46.880 --> 16:49.120]  And of course, who is pushing the drugs the most?
[16:49.120 --> 16:50.560]  It's the CIA.
[16:50.560 --> 16:54.000]  Again, this is all a convergence of all these different elements coming together.
[16:54.000 --> 17:00.640]  So I think disclosure will be something that they can use as a deceptive method to distract
[17:00.640 --> 17:04.720]  people from what is really happening, as well as the other things that they wish to do.
[17:04.720 --> 17:09.680]  According to Ben Tapper, a Nebraska chiropractor who was included in the Disinformation Dozen
[17:09.680 --> 17:14.960]  in 2021 for questioning vaccine safety, he said, a disturbing reality that government
[17:14.960 --> 17:20.480]  agencies have historically explored ways to manipulate human behavior through chemical
[17:20.480 --> 17:25.360]  and biological means, including concepts involving food and medical interventions.
[17:26.000 --> 17:27.840]  This is not speculation.
[17:27.840 --> 17:29.280]  It's not conspiracy.
[17:29.280 --> 17:35.680]  And it should deeply concern every American who values bodily autonomy and informed consent.
[17:36.560 --> 17:45.680]  So again, Project Artichoke grew into and became MKUltra, which has been exposed before.
[17:45.760 --> 17:51.840]  But Naomi Wolf, who has written about Pfizer and Pfizer's crimes against humanity,
[17:51.840 --> 17:55.680]  that's the name of her book, the documents further confirm a long history of intelligence
[17:55.680 --> 17:58.880]  agencies' research targeting human thought and behavior.
[17:59.840 --> 18:06.240]  As I've said for the longest time, we make a big mistake when we don't understand how
[18:06.240 --> 18:13.200]  powerful their technology is and that there are no limits on what they are morally capable of either.
[18:14.160 --> 18:18.240]  Certainly, when we look at the history of the CIA, it comes up over and over again.
[18:18.240 --> 18:22.640]  She said, researchers have long suspected the church committee's revelation that
[18:22.640 --> 18:26.960]  the CIA's notorious MKUltra mind control experiments, mostly using LSD,
[18:27.520 --> 18:32.320]  had the effect of obscuring the agency's much larger Project Artichoke.
[18:33.360 --> 18:37.680]  And so this is all when you look at the disclosure talk that is coming out there.
[18:38.240 --> 18:41.600]  Just understand that you need to have some discernment.
[18:41.680 --> 18:44.080]  You need to have a frame of reference.
[18:44.080 --> 18:49.280]  Are you going to base this on some papers from the Pentagon and from the CIA,
[18:49.280 --> 18:50.560]  people who work for them?
[18:50.560 --> 18:52.880]  Is that going to be your frame of reference for the truth?
[18:53.520 --> 18:56.480]  Or are you going to rest it on the scriptures, on the Bible?
[18:57.200 --> 19:00.320]  That's the key for you to get through this, to understand
[19:01.200 --> 19:06.080]  what is true and where you stand on this, because a lot of these things are coming through.
[19:06.080 --> 19:09.440]  So I point out, last year, a pharmaceutical research and development executive
[19:10.160 --> 19:16.000]  talking about this, and of course, Sasha Latopova, I'm sure you know of her,
[19:16.000 --> 19:20.320]  and Debbie Lerman, released the COVID dossier, presenting evidence that the
[19:20.320 --> 19:28.240]  military industrial coordination of the COVID response was not a public health event,
[19:28.240 --> 19:33.440]  but a global operation coordinated through public private intelligence and military alliances
[19:34.080 --> 19:39.360]  involving laws designed for chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapon attacks.
[19:40.320 --> 19:42.320]  And of course, it was also a PSYOP.
[19:43.520 --> 19:47.040]  And we know that these are the germ games that they practiced for 20 years,
[19:47.040 --> 19:49.680]  first one being Dark Winter, and that was an alliance
[19:50.240 --> 19:55.200]  of these public health agencies, the corporations, as well as the intelligence agencies.
[19:55.200 --> 20:00.640]  And they practiced and rehearsed this stuff for 20 years before they unleashed it on us.
[20:01.200 --> 20:06.800]  The entire thing was a PSYOP, and of course, Yale, the only studies that were really done
[20:06.880 --> 20:12.480]  in terms of the COVID stuff, they didn't do any studies to determine the safety or the efficacy
[20:12.480 --> 20:17.280]  of any vaccines or any of the rest of that stuff. The studies that they did were how they were going
[20:17.280 --> 20:23.680]  to manipulate people and trick people into taking these vaccines when there wasn't going to be
[20:24.480 --> 20:28.080]  any safety or efficacy that was determined with any of this.
[20:28.080 --> 20:31.920]  They would skip all the testing, except for the psychological operation.
[20:31.920 --> 20:34.000]  That was very heavily tested.
[20:34.800 --> 20:38.160]  Well, we're going to take a quick break here, and we're going to come back.
[20:38.800 --> 20:44.400]  I've got the interview with the cancer survivor over half a century, and he's doing great.
[20:44.400 --> 20:46.480]  He's probably in better health than I am.
[20:46.480 --> 20:51.040]  And what he had to say about what worked for him and what continued to work for him.
[20:51.040 --> 20:55.680]  And I think it's very important. I just saw an article from retired Senator Ben Sasse.
[20:56.320 --> 20:59.600]  He has terminal cancer. He's got tumors all over his body.
[20:59.600 --> 21:04.800]  And he says there's nothing else that can be done. He's basically given up.
[21:04.800 --> 21:08.720]  But he did have an interesting quote. He said, I remember when Tim Keller died,
[21:08.720 --> 21:13.680]  Tim Keller, a Christian pastor and teacher, he said, Tim Keller, when he had
[21:14.640 --> 21:19.920]  same type of cancer that Ben Sasse had, he said, there's a lot of things that I regret.
[21:19.920 --> 21:24.960]  But he says, one thing that I would not give up is I would never want to go back
[21:24.960 --> 21:27.760]  to the prayer life that I had before I had cancer.
[21:27.760 --> 21:32.240]  And so Ben Sasse said, I didn't understand that at the time, but I understand it now.
[21:32.880 --> 21:34.560]  Well, that is an important thing.
[21:34.560 --> 21:39.760]  But it's also important for us to know that there are things out there that
[21:39.760 --> 21:42.960]  apparently for some people, certainly at least for our guest,
[21:43.600 --> 21:47.200]  work far better than any of the standard cancer treatments.
[21:47.200 --> 21:50.640]  And then after his interview, we're going to have an interview with
[21:50.640 --> 21:55.120]  someone who is going to talk about how real estate is being changed,
[21:55.120 --> 21:59.120]  the buying and selling of real estate, how technology is impinging on that.
[21:59.120 --> 22:02.640]  Everything is being rapidly changed by technology.
[22:02.640 --> 22:08.240]  And that's one of the things. And he has an international brokerage firm.
[22:08.240 --> 22:11.600]  And he's going to talk a little bit about what the real estate picture looks like
[22:11.600 --> 22:15.920]  internationally. Curiously enough, he's based out of Venezuela.
[22:16.560 --> 22:21.440]  And he finds these depressed areas, like somebody might go into Detroit
[22:22.000 --> 22:25.360]  and look for a bargain there and hope that it's going to turn around.
[22:25.360 --> 22:28.960]  He thinks that Venezuela is at rock bottom and it's going to turn around.
[22:28.960 --> 22:31.440]  So he thinks it's a big business opportunity.
[22:31.440 --> 22:32.640]  But he also helps people.
[22:33.200 --> 22:37.360]  A lot of them may be here because they come from another country
[22:37.360 --> 22:40.480]  and they're thinking as they retire, they're going to go back to their home country.
[22:41.280 --> 22:44.640]  It could be Ireland, it could be Greece, it could be Mexico or whatever.
[22:44.640 --> 22:47.600]  And a lot of people looking to save money as they retire.
[22:47.600 --> 22:50.160]  So he's got a business that helps people do that.
[22:50.160 --> 22:52.080]  So I think you'll find that interesting as well.
[22:52.080 --> 22:56.480]  We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back with the Cancer Survivor.
[24:20.160 --> 24:35.120]  You're listening to The David Knight Show.
[24:36.720 --> 24:38.640]  Well, joining us now is Rick Hill.
[24:38.640 --> 24:42.240]  He's an ambassador for Oasis of Hope Hospital.
[24:42.240 --> 24:44.880]  He's also, most importantly, a cancer survivor.
[24:44.880 --> 24:45.920]  And he's written about that.
[24:46.480 --> 24:52.720]  He had cancer 52 years ago and he found something that's very effective.
[24:52.720 --> 24:55.920]  So we want to find out a little bit about his story because
[24:56.560 --> 25:00.080]  we're seeing an uptick in cancer, not only that, but in turbo cancer.
[25:00.080 --> 25:04.640]  We've got just this last week or so, we now have the Trump administration
[25:04.640 --> 25:10.400]  pushing for glyphosate, compelling its production and offering legal immunity for that.
[25:10.400 --> 25:14.880]  So what can we do as individuals to protect ourselves from cancer?
[25:14.960 --> 25:17.120]  So we wanted to talk to Rick Hill about that.
[25:17.120 --> 25:18.240]  Thank you for joining us, sir.
[25:18.960 --> 25:19.760]  Well, you're welcome.
[25:19.760 --> 25:20.800]  Looking forward to this.
[25:20.800 --> 25:21.760]  And you're quite right.
[25:22.960 --> 25:27.280]  You know, most of what has happened in this administration has been good.
[25:27.920 --> 25:34.960]  But man, he's got a backtrack on this because we MAGA supporters, or me, I should say,
[25:35.840 --> 25:38.960]  don't like this and I'm going to be vocal about it.
[25:39.680 --> 25:42.240]  Yeah, glyphosate is not good for us.
[25:43.200 --> 25:48.000]  And they gave him a million dollars toward his campaign last year.
[25:48.640 --> 25:50.880]  And I just, I think that's caving in.
[25:52.000 --> 25:52.560]  No, yeah.
[25:52.560 --> 25:56.080]  That seems to be the magic number, a million dollars.
[25:58.640 --> 26:02.800]  They always seem to be able to get at least a thousand times return on their investment.
[26:02.800 --> 26:07.600]  You just give somebody thousands of dollars, you get millions or billions of dollars,
[26:07.600 --> 26:11.600]  you know, in this particular case, they got a lot more than millions of dollars.
[26:11.600 --> 26:16.160]  But anyway, yeah, let's talk a little bit about your story.
[26:16.160 --> 26:21.760]  And then we'll talk about the pushback from the cancer industry as to what you're saying.
[26:21.760 --> 26:23.440]  And I think we have seen all that.
[26:23.440 --> 26:27.840]  This is an opportunity, I think, that they handed us because people have been trying
[26:27.840 --> 26:32.480]  to talk about alternative medicine and say, why can't we try this or try that?
[26:32.480 --> 26:34.640]  We saw that all shut down during the pandemic.
[26:34.640 --> 26:36.640]  They said, well, here's this terrible pandemic.
[26:36.640 --> 26:39.680]  It's the worst thing we've ever seen in an industry.
[26:39.680 --> 26:41.840]  And yet we're not going to let you try anything.
[26:41.840 --> 26:48.480]  You're going to sit there locked down until we've got our solution is delivered to you.
[26:48.480 --> 26:50.480]  And then we'll compel you to take that.
[26:50.480 --> 26:52.160]  And I think that woke a lot of people up.
[26:52.160 --> 26:54.240]  I mean, if that doesn't wake you up, what will you, right?
[26:55.600 --> 26:57.520]  Yeah, it was a frightening time.
[26:57.520 --> 26:58.080]  Yeah.
[26:58.080 --> 27:06.160]  I mean, golly, I didn't survive the Mayo Clinic and then my flight to Florida, to Tijuana
[27:06.880 --> 27:09.120]  to be taken out by a vaccine.
[27:09.200 --> 27:09.360]  Yeah.
[27:10.400 --> 27:11.920]  And I didn't get it.
[27:11.920 --> 27:12.720]  I refused it.
[27:13.360 --> 27:15.920]  And, you know, I just said Thanksgiving.
[27:16.640 --> 27:19.840]  There are things we didn't talk about with our family.
[27:19.840 --> 27:20.240]  That's right.
[27:20.240 --> 27:21.280]  And that was one of them.
[27:21.280 --> 27:21.680]  Yeah.
[27:21.680 --> 27:23.200]  Well, a lot of people were taken in by it.
[27:23.200 --> 27:25.280]  A lot of people, unfortunately, have been taken out by it.
[27:25.280 --> 27:28.240]  But let's talk about cancer and tell us your story.
[27:28.240 --> 27:30.800]  You were diagnosed in 1974.
[27:30.800 --> 27:32.000]  What kind of cancer did you have?
[27:32.960 --> 27:39.120]  The technical term, Travis, is embryonal cell carcinoma.
[27:39.840 --> 27:44.640]  And that is a germ cancer, meaning I probably had it from birth.
[27:45.520 --> 27:52.880]  And I was 24 when I was diagnosed and they did eight and a half hours of exploratory
[27:52.880 --> 27:53.520]  surgery.
[27:53.520 --> 27:56.400]  Remember, they didn't have scans way back then.
[27:56.400 --> 27:57.120]  Wow.
[27:57.200 --> 28:03.280]  And so they operated up here in my clavicle and found in the lymphatic system of cancer.
[28:03.920 --> 28:07.520]  And the lymphatic system is like a superhighway.
[28:07.520 --> 28:13.520]  Once you get it in there, man, especially if it's high grade embryonal cell carcinoma,
[28:13.520 --> 28:14.640]  that's like stage four.
[28:15.840 --> 28:21.520]  And in the system like that, it runs like a racehorse.
[28:22.320 --> 28:25.200]  And they operated on my feet, they found it.
[28:25.920 --> 28:27.120]  Head to toe.
[28:27.120 --> 28:27.520]  Wow.
[28:27.520 --> 28:31.040]  Stowed me back up and said, invite your family in.
[28:32.320 --> 28:33.840]  You are in trouble.
[28:33.840 --> 28:34.160]  Wow.
[28:34.720 --> 28:38.960]  So my family flew into town and I was scheduled to have chemo.
[28:39.840 --> 28:43.760]  And here's where the story really gets interesting.
[28:45.360 --> 28:54.400]  Imagine a guy down to 120 pounds on morphine scheduled for chemotherapy on Monday.
[28:54.400 --> 28:58.000]  It's now Friday and I get a letter in the mail.
[28:58.000 --> 29:04.800]  I open it says, dear Rick, if you want to live, you're going to have to leave the Mayo Clinic.
[29:06.480 --> 29:12.160]  So I knew this guy, he's a Baptist pastor, and I called him up and I said, you know,
[29:12.160 --> 29:21.200]  whatever you're smoking, send me some because I'm about a week away from meeting our creator.
[29:21.920 --> 29:24.160]  And he said, well, I know that that's why I wrote you.
[29:24.160 --> 29:25.840]  I said, well, John, what are you?
[29:25.840 --> 29:26.880]  Not John Richardson.
[29:27.760 --> 29:29.360]  His name is John Valentine.
[29:30.000 --> 29:31.680]  I said, John, what are you thinking?
[29:31.680 --> 29:33.680]  Why would I leave the Mayo Clinic?
[29:33.680 --> 29:35.600]  It's a citadel of modern medicine.
[29:36.160 --> 29:40.560]  He said, I agree with that, but I don't think it's medicine you need.
[29:41.360 --> 29:43.280]  And I said, well, what do you think I need?
[29:43.280 --> 29:44.560]  He said, are you sitting down?
[29:46.640 --> 29:48.800]  The story was so bizarre.
[29:49.600 --> 29:52.400]  He said, you're going to have to leave and go to Tijuana.
[29:53.280 --> 30:00.160]  And there they're going to take a derivative of the apricot fruit and inject it in your veins.
[30:01.440 --> 30:06.400]  I said, that's the story you want me to give my family that have flown in to say goodbye,
[30:07.120 --> 30:09.600]  that I'm leaving the Mayo Clinic.
[30:09.600 --> 30:14.560]  I've got good insurance and I'm going to go to TJ for apricot.
[30:15.520 --> 30:18.160]  And he said, I know it doesn't sound good, does it?
[30:18.160 --> 30:18.960]  He said, no.
[30:19.920 --> 30:22.800]  And I said, look, John, I'm not going to argue with you.
[30:22.800 --> 30:26.880]  I have an appointment with my chemotherapist in about an hour.
[30:26.880 --> 30:31.040]  I'm going to drive over there and I'm going to tell them what you told me.
[30:33.120 --> 30:34.960]  And he said, good luck with that, pal.
[30:35.840 --> 30:36.400]  So I did.
[30:36.400 --> 30:39.680]  I got my car, drove over there, sat down, told him the story.
[30:39.680 --> 30:41.760]  I just told your viewers.
[30:43.360 --> 30:45.840]  And I thought I was going to learn new swear words.
[30:46.640 --> 30:50.720]  I thought this chemotherapist was you little pipsqueak, you know,
[30:52.720 --> 30:57.520]  and instead he folded his arms, sat back in his chair.
[30:58.480 --> 31:04.640]  And he says to me, you know, Rick, it is warm in Tijuana this time of year.
[31:08.000 --> 31:10.560]  And I thought, did I hear what I just heard?
[31:10.560 --> 31:14.800]  And, you know, he's not going to jeopardize his 300k job a year.
[31:14.800 --> 31:15.360]  Oh, yeah.
[31:15.440 --> 31:18.480]  And I stood up and I said, message delivered.
[31:19.520 --> 31:21.520]  I appreciate your honesty.
[31:22.480 --> 31:25.120]  And I walked to the door, put my hand on the handle,
[31:25.120 --> 31:28.560]  turned and said, I probably will never see you again.
[31:29.440 --> 31:31.600]  And he smiled and I left.
[31:32.400 --> 31:38.480]  Two days later, I'm in TJ and that was like going down the rabbit hole.
[31:38.480 --> 31:42.560]  I mean, I grew up, I grew up a Detroit greaser.
[31:42.560 --> 31:43.600]  You know what a greaser is?
[31:43.600 --> 31:45.040]  Like, like Fonzie.
[31:46.160 --> 31:49.440]  That is what I look like in 1974.
[31:49.440 --> 31:54.240]  I'm a little messed up there, but that's after 10 hours of being under surgery.
[31:56.560 --> 32:01.440]  And if there was a health food store in Detroit, I'd never been to it
[32:02.240 --> 32:03.760]  and didn't know where it was.
[32:05.360 --> 32:10.480]  And I wouldn't have, I mean, my mother grew up in Alabama.
[32:10.480 --> 32:14.160]  I grew up on soul food, which is fried pork.
[32:15.840 --> 32:20.640]  Country gravy on everything, you know, all the sweets you could eat.
[32:22.000 --> 32:24.160]  And we just weren't that family.
[32:24.160 --> 32:24.720]  We weren't.
[32:25.280 --> 32:28.960]  And here I am in a health food store now in San Diego,
[32:28.960 --> 32:34.640]  trying to find something I can eat because they told me no more bad food, no more sugar.
[32:35.920 --> 32:41.360]  And I felt like there's Ravi Shanker music playing in the background.
[32:41.360 --> 32:44.000]  I'm the only one in the store wearing underwear.
[32:44.000 --> 32:49.200]  I mean, this stone ground heaven for these people.
[32:49.200 --> 32:51.040]  And I'm thinking I don't blend.
[32:52.560 --> 32:53.120]  You know what?
[32:53.120 --> 32:54.400]  I want to make a point here.
[32:55.280 --> 32:59.760]  Your viewers don't have to blend for this to work.
[33:01.200 --> 33:06.320]  They have to be willing to alter their life, but they don't have to be,
[33:07.600 --> 33:12.240]  you know, a 1970s what I would, and I'm not trying to offend anybody,
[33:12.320 --> 33:14.400]  hippie to make this work.
[33:15.120 --> 33:16.080]  I'm a greaser.
[33:16.080 --> 33:25.520]  I'm wearing a long leather jacket, you know, and I thought I just don't blend.
[33:25.520 --> 33:31.680]  But when I met Dr. Contreras senior, he said to me a very important statement.
[33:31.680 --> 33:35.440]  He said, Rick, this is participatory medicine.
[33:36.880 --> 33:41.520]  If you don't help us, we will fail and you will die.
[33:42.240 --> 33:45.600]  You're a sick puppy and I need your help.
[33:46.160 --> 33:47.440]  I said, what do you want me to do?
[33:47.440 --> 33:48.160]  Doc?
[33:48.160 --> 33:53.040]  He said, everything we ask you to do, I want you to be willing to do it.
[33:53.840 --> 33:57.200]  And I just had no idea what that entailed.
[33:59.040 --> 34:02.480]  First day I'm in there, they come in and they give me the lateral,
[34:02.480 --> 34:04.320]  you know, shots right here in the arm.
[34:05.280 --> 34:10.720]  And that's that vitamin B 17 amygdalin, a derivative of the apricot,
[34:11.360 --> 34:13.840]  six grams, you know, that's a big shot.
[34:14.800 --> 34:21.360]  And then they gave me a whole bunch of pancreatic enzymes.
[34:22.640 --> 34:26.400]  Nothing like that had ever been in this body, either one.
[34:27.120 --> 34:33.120]  And then she comes in carrying a bag and the nurse is trying to be cheery.
[34:33.680 --> 34:39.200]  And she says, today, we are going to start your detox program.
[34:39.200 --> 34:40.720]  I said, great.
[34:41.600 --> 34:42.720]  What's a detox?
[34:43.920 --> 34:47.200]  And she says, well, have you ever changed the water in the radiator of your car?
[34:47.200 --> 34:48.480]  I said, of course.
[34:48.480 --> 34:49.680]  She says, how'd you do it?
[34:50.320 --> 34:53.680]  I said, well, you know, you undo the deals, you get the garden hose.
[34:53.680 --> 34:57.520]  And then when it runs clear, you take the hose out, cap it up,
[34:57.520 --> 34:59.120]  lay rubber out of the parking lot.
[34:59.840 --> 35:05.920]  I had a 57 Ford, slick tires, first floor shift, handling life.
[35:05.920 --> 35:06.160]  Okay.
[35:08.560 --> 35:12.880]  I look at her and I say, that thing you're carrying, where does that hose go?
[35:14.640 --> 35:23.920]  And she says, well, and for your listeners that don't know what a colonic is,
[35:24.720 --> 35:30.560]  picture yourself water skiing really fast and then just sit down.
[35:30.560 --> 35:30.880]  Okay.
[35:31.920 --> 35:33.520]  I know what a colonic is.
[35:34.240 --> 35:38.160]  And I didn't tell any of my friends about this.
[35:38.160 --> 35:40.560]  I didn't even tell my family what I was doing.
[35:41.440 --> 35:42.880]  But here's the thing.
[35:44.320 --> 35:45.840]  I was only there three weeks.
[35:47.040 --> 35:52.800]  And after three weeks, my color came back, my appetite came back.
[35:54.240 --> 35:55.840]  I wasn't cured.
[35:55.840 --> 35:57.280]  I don't think anybody's cured.
[35:57.280 --> 36:01.120]  You can bring that stuff back in a heartbeat if you go back to doing
[36:01.120 --> 36:02.960]  what you were doing before you got sick.
[36:04.320 --> 36:08.240]  And three weeks I'm out of there.
[36:09.120 --> 36:14.400]  And the lady that I know on my Facebook site was there when I was there.
[36:14.400 --> 36:19.040]  Glioblastoma, brain cancer, spread to her spine, couldn't walk.
[36:19.840 --> 36:25.120]  Three weeks later, Travis, both of us walked out of that clinic.
[36:26.480 --> 36:32.240]  And she contacts, I saw her two days ago on my Facebook site, living in Key West,
[36:33.120 --> 36:36.240]  20 or 30 grandkids, too much sun.
[36:37.360 --> 36:38.720]  I'm not a one-off deal.
[36:40.080 --> 36:41.120]  Not a one-off deal.
[36:41.680 --> 36:47.920]  There are hundreds of thousands of us out there, but I'm one of the few vocal ones
[36:47.920 --> 36:52.880]  because our government, and this is kind of what I want to focus on if you're agreeable.
[36:53.600 --> 36:56.720]  Our government drove it underground.
[36:57.920 --> 37:00.960]  In fact, the book that I wrote, Too Young to Die,
[37:02.720 --> 37:05.760]  I mean, I had to be careful where I sold that.
[37:05.760 --> 37:11.440]  I've got a little thing here that when I would go to a town and speak,
[37:12.480 --> 37:16.960]  that town would put a little thing in the newspaper saying I was coming.
[37:16.960 --> 37:21.680]  And then after I had spoken, they put another article in the paper saying,
[37:21.680 --> 37:25.680]  here's what he said, the American Cancer Society
[37:25.680 --> 37:34.880]  Society used to put an alternate position right across from my article that said,
[37:34.880 --> 37:40.880]  as for the testimony offered, it may be that he never had cancer in the first place.
[37:40.880 --> 37:41.840]  Yeah, I saw that.
[37:41.840 --> 37:42.880]  They denied it.
[37:42.880 --> 37:48.160]  So after about the third article, I clipped them, sent them to the Mayo Clinic,
[37:48.720 --> 37:51.440]  and said, you have misdiagnosed me.
[37:51.520 --> 37:56.560]  The American Cancer Society says that I never had it in the first place.
[37:56.560 --> 37:58.960]  So what did you do that surgery for?
[37:58.960 --> 38:00.800]  I'm getting an attorney.
[38:00.800 --> 38:07.200]  I got this letter back overnight from the Mayo Clinic in regard to your question that people
[38:07.200 --> 38:12.800]  have asked, questioning as to whether or not you actually did have cancer in the first place.
[38:12.880 --> 38:21.440]  You are entirely right that you had stage three high grade embryonal cell carcinoma
[38:21.440 --> 38:25.840]  and that chemotherapy was mandatory when I up and left.
[38:27.840 --> 38:31.040]  And the letter that you sent me was from the doctor that diagnosed it.
[38:31.040 --> 38:32.720]  He said, I'm glad that you're feeling well.
[38:33.360 --> 38:35.760]  But he goes, we did this, we found the tumor.
[38:35.760 --> 38:37.520]  He talked about all the different aspects.
[38:37.520 --> 38:39.760]  What were the symptoms that you had with that cancer?
[38:39.760 --> 38:41.040]  Well, I had a tumor.
[38:41.040 --> 38:44.320]  It was in the groin, so I didn't do a lot of horseback riding back then.
[38:45.200 --> 38:51.840]  And then I started not feeling well, achy, bad mood.
[38:53.520 --> 38:56.880]  And I was a parochial school principal at the time.
[38:56.880 --> 38:59.120]  I had to go to seminary to do that.
[39:00.000 --> 39:02.640]  And I thought, golly, I work for God.
[39:02.640 --> 39:03.760]  What is this about?
[39:04.320 --> 39:05.760]  What do you mean terminal?
[39:05.760 --> 39:07.520]  Why would you use that term with me?
[39:08.400 --> 39:10.800]  And it's discouraging.
[39:10.800 --> 39:15.440]  That's what I want people to know, that if they're dealing with this
[39:15.440 --> 39:17.920]  and they're discouraged, I'm on your team.
[39:19.040 --> 39:25.440]  Because I know what it is to believe that I may not have any hope left in this life.
[39:26.000 --> 39:34.240]  And I define hope as that my calling now is helping other people escape, H-O-P-E.
[39:34.960 --> 39:39.440]  Because I think for most people, not everybody,
[39:39.440 --> 39:44.560]  but for most people, if the disease didn't kill them, the chemo will.
[39:45.760 --> 39:48.960]  If the disease didn't kill them, the radiation will.
[39:49.600 --> 39:52.960]  And I'm looking you in the eye, Travis, and I'm saying
[39:54.240 --> 40:00.960]  I took massive amounts of omegdalin and pancreatic enzymes and everything else.
[40:02.320 --> 40:05.200]  I never even got a headache.
[40:06.000 --> 40:07.440]  My hair didn't fall out now.
[40:07.440 --> 40:09.200]  Today, it's fallen out.
[40:10.400 --> 40:12.160]  But I'm 74 years old.
[40:12.160 --> 40:13.360]  Okay, let's talk.
[40:14.800 --> 40:15.680]  But not then.
[40:15.680 --> 40:16.800]  I didn't have a fever.
[40:16.800 --> 40:17.840]  I didn't throw up.
[40:18.480 --> 40:20.240]  I wasn't running to the bathroom.
[40:21.760 --> 40:22.240]  People would say-
[40:22.240 --> 40:24.400]  Yeah, I'm sympathetic with that.
[40:24.400 --> 40:27.360]  My father died from chemotherapy.
[40:27.360 --> 40:30.240]  The very first time they gave him the chemotherapy, he went into a coma
[40:30.240 --> 40:31.280]  and he never came out of it.
[40:31.280 --> 40:35.040]  So the stuff that they give people,
[40:36.000 --> 40:38.720]  you know, I was open to this from the very beginning.
[40:38.720 --> 40:42.880]  But like I said, I think we've got an opening because of what people saw five years ago.
[40:43.440 --> 40:47.120]  And the fact that there was obviously a different agenda.
[40:47.120 --> 40:49.840]  One of the articles that you clipped and sent to me,
[40:50.720 --> 40:55.040]  it was a rebuttal, part of the rebuttal from the American Cancer Society.
[40:55.040 --> 40:58.480]  And they said, well, we just don't feel this has any benefit.
[40:58.480 --> 41:00.160]  And I went, whoa, wait a minute.
[41:00.160 --> 41:01.920]  You don't feel that it has?
[41:01.920 --> 41:04.320]  There's nothing scientific or medical about this.
[41:04.320 --> 41:06.560]  You just don't feel that it has any benefit?
[41:06.560 --> 41:09.120]  And you keep on reading and it says, well, to date,
[41:09.120 --> 41:12.560]  there haven't been any test results to show it's effectiveness.
[41:12.560 --> 41:15.280]  It's like, well, then there haven't been any test results to show
[41:15.280 --> 41:16.880]  that it's not effective either, right?
[41:16.880 --> 41:17.760]  You haven't tested it.
[41:18.720 --> 41:20.880]  This is not about medicine or science.
[41:20.880 --> 41:22.720]  It's about business, I think.
[41:22.720 --> 41:24.320]  Deny, deny, deny.
[41:24.320 --> 41:27.840]  Because, Travis, nobody kicks a dead dog.
[41:28.800 --> 41:33.760]  And nobody's throwing doctors in jail and terminating their license
[41:33.760 --> 41:36.160]  like they did John Richardson's father.
[41:38.720 --> 41:43.840]  If they're prescribing Ivermectin or Finben or mistletoe
[41:43.840 --> 41:45.840]  or these other things that are out there.
[41:45.840 --> 41:46.560]  Why?
[41:46.560 --> 41:48.720]  Because they don't work as well.
[41:48.720 --> 41:52.720]  They work, they help, but they don't work as well as this does.
[41:53.760 --> 41:59.760]  This was developed in 1902 by a Dr. John Beard
[42:00.480 --> 42:03.600]  in the book, World Without Cancer.
[42:03.600 --> 42:04.320]  Chapter five.
[42:05.280 --> 42:10.480]  This guy had a whole bunch of stage four cancer people,
[42:11.120 --> 42:15.440]  gave them these pancreatic enzymes, chymotrypsin and trypsin,
[42:16.240 --> 42:17.200]  and they got well.
[42:18.000 --> 42:20.000]  And he published the results.
[42:20.000 --> 42:21.200]  They came after him.
[42:22.000 --> 42:25.040]  So nobody kicks a dead dog.
[42:25.040 --> 42:29.280]  And even today, I went into a very popular hospital chain
[42:29.840 --> 42:31.360]  just for my annual checkup.
[42:31.360 --> 42:32.640]  I'm not against medicine.
[42:32.640 --> 42:35.040]  I'm not against all doctors and everything.
[42:37.840 --> 42:39.120]  Let the buyer beware.
[42:39.120 --> 42:40.160]  That's the whole thing.
[42:40.160 --> 42:41.520]  You should be skeptical about it.
[42:41.520 --> 42:43.520]  Just not blindly trust this stuff.
[42:43.520 --> 42:44.720]  And that's what a lot of people do.
[42:45.920 --> 42:47.680]  And I had to get another doctor
[42:47.680 --> 42:50.480]  because he found out that I went to Tijuana.
[42:50.480 --> 42:50.800]  Really?
[42:50.800 --> 42:52.000]  You didn't want to treat you then?
[42:52.000 --> 42:52.320]  Yeah.
[42:52.320 --> 42:56.240]  Some people think if they eat apricots, they're going to get well.
[42:56.240 --> 42:59.600]  And I said, doc, I did that.
[43:00.320 --> 43:03.440]  And he looked at his file and he didn't have anything in there.
[43:03.440 --> 43:05.920]  And he said, we're done here.
[43:06.560 --> 43:09.600]  And he got up, left the office and slammed the door.
[43:10.480 --> 43:14.560]  51 years later, he's slamming the door in my face.
[43:14.560 --> 43:17.920]  I'm thinking, these people hold on to grievances.
[43:19.600 --> 43:22.560]  You're thinking, go well, let's let bygones be by.
[43:22.560 --> 43:23.920]  You look pretty good now.
[43:25.840 --> 43:26.080]  Yeah.
[43:26.080 --> 43:29.280]  They're not interested in the actual results there.
[43:30.000 --> 43:32.480]  They've got their paradigm and their business
[43:32.480 --> 43:33.680]  that they want to push forward.
[43:33.680 --> 43:34.880]  And that's the key thing.
[43:34.880 --> 43:36.640]  Well, I certainly know what that is like.
[43:36.640 --> 43:38.640]  And of course, my audience knows that as well.
[43:38.640 --> 43:43.280]  I've been banned on PayPal and Venmo and YouTube and Facebook
[43:43.280 --> 43:44.320]  and on and on and on.
[43:44.960 --> 43:46.720]  Because I'm not going to be quiet about it.
[43:46.720 --> 43:49.680]  And I appreciate you persisting in this as well.
[43:49.680 --> 43:52.080]  Because it's very important when you get something like this
[43:52.080 --> 43:56.720]  and you have to look at why these people are so hell bent,
[43:56.720 --> 44:00.320]  literally hell bent on trying to suppress this information
[44:00.320 --> 44:01.600]  that could help people.
[44:01.600 --> 44:03.520]  And to push something on them that's going to harm them
[44:03.520 --> 44:06.080]  because they have some benefit somehow out of this.
[44:06.080 --> 44:07.600]  That is the amazing thing.
[44:07.600 --> 44:10.240]  But I really like your acronym of HOPE,
[44:10.240 --> 44:12.080]  helping other people escape.
[44:12.080 --> 44:13.760]  That's really the key thing, I think.
[44:14.880 --> 44:18.400]  Well, and I'd like to give your viewers a free book
[44:18.400 --> 44:22.080]  with no credit card, nobody calls.
[44:22.160 --> 44:28.640]  But if they will log on to myworldwithoutcancer.com,
[44:28.640 --> 44:34.560]  myworldwithoutcancer.com, I will send them a 300-page book
[44:34.560 --> 44:40.240]  which has, in chapter 5, this Dr. Beard's research
[44:40.960 --> 44:42.720]  so that they can go, well, you know,
[44:42.720 --> 44:46.000]  I heard this weird story today on this program.
[44:46.000 --> 44:49.600]  But the guy sent me a free book.
[44:49.600 --> 44:52.160]  I read it, and it seems credible to me.
[44:52.160 --> 44:53.840]  And this is from 1902.
[44:54.960 --> 44:57.200]  All these years they've hidden this.
[44:58.480 --> 45:00.160]  And I just think that's criminal.
[45:01.760 --> 45:06.560]  How come I couldn't use my insurance to get this treatment?
[45:07.120 --> 45:09.680]  Why did I have to leave the country to do it?
[45:10.240 --> 45:10.960]  That's right.
[45:10.960 --> 45:13.760]  And why is it that doctors can't talk to patients
[45:13.760 --> 45:14.880]  about different alternatives?
[45:15.440 --> 45:18.960]  Why do I have to have politicians that are going to set
[45:18.960 --> 45:23.120]  in judgment what I'm allowed to use for my own health?
[45:23.120 --> 45:24.800]  That makes absolutely no sense.
[45:24.800 --> 45:26.720]  But that's where we are in this country, unfortunately.
[45:27.440 --> 45:29.360]  So they can get that free book.
[45:29.360 --> 45:31.680]  And then if they want my book for free,
[45:32.800 --> 45:36.480]  they can go on to b17works.com.
[45:37.280 --> 45:40.080]  And there's a little questionnaire to fill out.
[45:40.080 --> 45:42.800]  And if they want to talk to me, I'll give them a call back
[45:42.800 --> 45:44.320]  or I'll send them an email.
[45:44.320 --> 45:48.240]  But I'll also send them a PDF copy of my book,
[45:48.240 --> 45:49.440]  Too Young to Die.
[45:49.440 --> 45:50.560]  I'm not a scholar.
[45:50.560 --> 45:51.520]  I'm not a doctor.
[45:52.160 --> 45:53.920]  But it's a story of hope.
[45:54.480 --> 45:59.360]  Well, I've talked to John Richards several times.
[45:59.360 --> 46:03.040]  And I told him, I said, I don't discount anecdotal stories.
[46:03.040 --> 46:04.320]  I think they're very important.
[46:05.120 --> 46:08.160]  Because when you look at these studies that are orchestrated,
[46:08.160 --> 46:10.000]  I've reported on this over and over again.
[46:10.000 --> 46:11.920]  Now you've got three different pharmaceutical companies.
[46:11.920 --> 46:15.680]  They've all got a drug that they want to use to sell you
[46:15.680 --> 46:17.200]  to treat a particular condition.
[46:17.760 --> 46:19.120]  And they all do their own studies.
[46:19.680 --> 46:20.320]  And guess what?
[46:20.320 --> 46:22.800]  The people that they hire to do the studies,
[46:22.800 --> 46:26.480]  if brand A hires the person to do the test,
[46:26.480 --> 46:29.040]  guess which brand is the best one?
[46:29.040 --> 46:29.840]  Brand A.
[46:29.840 --> 46:32.240]  And if brand B hires somebody else,
[46:32.240 --> 46:34.400]  it's going to be brand B is going to be the best one.
[46:34.400 --> 46:39.760]  And so I don't really have a lot of faith in a lot of these studies
[46:39.760 --> 46:40.640]  because if you look at them,
[46:40.640 --> 46:44.640]  a lot of them have a conflict of interest in terms of who's paying for them.
[46:44.640 --> 46:48.880]  When as you look at somebody's particular anecdotal story like yours,
[46:49.680 --> 46:52.240]  your interest is just in trying to help other people
[46:52.240 --> 46:54.320]  and tell them where you found some help.
[46:54.320 --> 46:55.200]  And that's the key thing.
[46:55.200 --> 46:57.360]  Well, nobody sent me a million dollars last year.
[46:57.360 --> 46:57.840]  That's right.
[47:00.000 --> 47:01.600]  And I'm not for sale.
[47:03.600 --> 47:07.360]  And I've done without some things in order to do this.
[47:07.360 --> 47:08.640]  But I look at it this way.
[47:09.360 --> 47:12.080]  This Baptist pastor, right?
[47:12.080 --> 47:17.680]  51 years ago, stuck his nose in my business and said,
[47:17.680 --> 47:21.120]  Rick, you're going to die if you keep doing what you're doing.
[47:21.920 --> 47:28.160]  And today I'm 74, a 5, 75 now.
[47:28.880 --> 47:35.840]  And I don't have the problems that other people have.
[47:37.200 --> 47:38.080]  I just don't.
[47:38.080 --> 47:38.960]  That's great.
[47:39.920 --> 47:40.400]  Yeah.
[47:40.400 --> 47:42.240]  I see people in grocery stores.
[47:42.240 --> 47:46.000]  They're my age, hanging on the handle to get out of the store.
[47:46.960 --> 47:49.040]  Nothing but sugar in their cart.
[47:49.040 --> 47:49.360]  Yeah.
[47:49.360 --> 47:52.960]  And they're on eight or nine prescriptions.
[47:52.960 --> 47:54.080]  Oh, that's the other thing.
[47:54.080 --> 47:54.320]  Yeah.
[47:54.320 --> 47:55.120]  That's the other thing.
[47:55.120 --> 47:57.600]  They give you a prescription for one thing.
[47:57.600 --> 48:00.560]  And then that may actually exacerbate that condition,
[48:00.560 --> 48:03.440]  but then it creates some other side issues.
[48:03.440 --> 48:05.920]  And so you start taking some drugs for these other side issues.
[48:05.920 --> 48:08.080]  And now what's the interaction with all these drugs?
[48:08.080 --> 48:09.440]  Nobody tests that at all.
[48:10.480 --> 48:12.000]  Metformin is a gateway.
[48:12.800 --> 48:14.880]  And unfortunately in our society,
[48:15.760 --> 48:18.320]  about two thirds of the people you'll ever walk by
[48:19.200 --> 48:23.600]  are on metformin and glipizide and all these other things,
[48:23.600 --> 48:27.120]  because somebody convinced them that sugar is okay.
[48:27.840 --> 48:33.680]  In modest amounts, as long as it's in fruit, modest amounts,
[48:33.680 --> 48:34.560]  it is okay.
[48:35.120 --> 48:42.320]  But a Coca-Cola, nine tablespoons of sugar in that puppy,
[48:42.320 --> 48:45.280]  and then they go into the 7-Eleven and get a big gulp.
[48:45.920 --> 48:47.360]  The little one's not enough.
[48:48.320 --> 48:49.760]  I want to die quickly.
[48:55.120 --> 48:56.960]  What a species we are.
[48:56.960 --> 48:59.680]  Yeah, it truly is amazing too when you go back and look at
[49:00.480 --> 49:03.680]  pictures of just the general population in the 50s, 60s,
[49:03.680 --> 49:06.160]  and 70s and so on, how thin everybody was,
[49:06.960 --> 49:08.960]  and how heavy everybody is today.
[49:08.960 --> 49:10.720]  It's amazing for me to go back and look.
[49:10.720 --> 49:14.080]  I tried to go back to the high school that I attended
[49:14.080 --> 49:16.640]  and see what was happening to it,
[49:16.640 --> 49:19.760]  because there was a controversy about the mascot there.
[49:19.760 --> 49:22.560]  It was chiefs and they don't allow that anymore, right?
[49:22.560 --> 49:26.160]  And so I go back and look and the band that was there
[49:26.160 --> 49:28.240]  and the majorettes and cheerleaders and stuff,
[49:28.240 --> 49:30.800]  it's like, how did everybody get so fat?
[49:30.800 --> 49:31.520]  It's amazing.
[49:32.080 --> 49:33.280]  You look terrific.
[49:34.640 --> 49:36.320]  Yeah, you must have walked around thinking,
[49:37.040 --> 49:40.320]  now I'm the one that's not really fitting in.
[49:41.200 --> 49:42.080]  It is strange.
[49:42.080 --> 49:43.120]  Yeah, it is strange.
[49:43.120 --> 49:44.080]  Let me get rid of that.
[49:44.800 --> 49:49.600]  When I use my computer, even though I've got my phone off,
[49:49.600 --> 49:52.000]  my computer will say, take the call.
[49:54.000 --> 49:59.440]  Yeah, you know, I don't understand why someone
[49:59.440 --> 50:04.080]  wouldn't at least sit down with me like a doctor,
[50:04.080 --> 50:08.080]  like the surgeon that did all of that and say,
[50:09.520 --> 50:12.640]  hey, I don't agree with what you did,
[50:12.640 --> 50:14.160]  but I'm looking-
[50:14.160 --> 50:15.200]  I'm glad it worked, yeah.
[50:16.320 --> 50:17.280]  Tell me what you did.
[50:17.280 --> 50:19.440]  I'll take notes and I will look at it.
[50:19.440 --> 50:19.840]  That's right.
[50:19.840 --> 50:24.720]  They just say, no, I'm not interested in what you did.
[50:25.440 --> 50:27.040]  I don't understand that.
[50:27.040 --> 50:28.960]  Well, I've seen what you're talking about
[50:28.960 --> 50:30.960]  when it comes to pediatricians, right?
[50:30.960 --> 50:34.240]  Pediatricians have been put under economic pressure
[50:34.240 --> 50:36.240]  by the insurance companies that if they don't get
[50:36.240 --> 50:39.360]  a certain percentage of their kids vaccinated
[50:39.360 --> 50:40.880]  per the vaccine schedule,
[50:41.600 --> 50:44.080]  they get their insurance cut so drastically
[50:44.080 --> 50:45.440]  that it puts them out of business.
[50:45.440 --> 50:48.080]  And so these guys are really aggressive about it.
[50:48.080 --> 50:50.320]  I first saw that when our kids were young,
[50:50.320 --> 50:53.600]  about 30 years ago, aggressively pushing this vaccine stuff
[50:53.600 --> 50:57.680]  and trying to get us to put them on fluoride pills
[50:57.680 --> 50:59.120]  because we were on well water.
[50:59.120 --> 51:01.440]  This guy was adamant about all this stuff.
[51:01.440 --> 51:02.640]  And I didn't argue with him.
[51:02.640 --> 51:04.320]  We just never went back, you know?
[51:04.320 --> 51:08.960]  But it really is amazing how they have embraced this
[51:09.520 --> 51:12.240]  as their identity, as their profession.
[51:12.240 --> 51:15.200]  And they are as aggressive in terms of pushing this
[51:15.200 --> 51:18.160]  as the people who are directly making the product.
[51:19.360 --> 51:20.480]  Well, imagine John-
[51:20.480 --> 51:22.480]  I know you've interviewed John Richardson,
[51:22.480 --> 51:25.200]  but imagine what it was like growing up in that house.
[51:25.200 --> 51:26.960]  Your dad's a doctor.
[51:27.440 --> 51:29.120]  He's running for Congress.
[51:29.680 --> 51:32.640]  He's a very popular person in that community,
[51:33.440 --> 51:34.560]  Northern California.
[51:35.200 --> 51:39.360]  And all of a sudden, they come into his office
[51:39.360 --> 51:40.240]  with the guns out.
[51:41.120 --> 51:44.880]  Arrest him and his nurse, throw him in jail,
[51:45.600 --> 51:48.080]  and then terminate his medical license
[51:48.880 --> 51:52.400]  for giving someone apricot derivatives.
[51:52.400 --> 51:54.320]  What is the matter with these people?
[51:55.200 --> 52:00.080]  I mean, you'd think they'd go, you know, let's ignore them.
[52:00.080 --> 52:03.680]  I mean, if you want to think apricots cure people, fine.
[52:04.400 --> 52:06.880]  But no, they went to war.
[52:07.520 --> 52:09.280]  And the reason they went to war,
[52:09.280 --> 52:13.680]  they also went to war with a rife, royal rife.
[52:14.800 --> 52:16.960]  The same thing, the rife microscope.
[52:18.960 --> 52:22.400]  The San Diego Tribune wrote the article and said,
[52:22.400 --> 52:26.720]  this guy took eight or nine patients with stage four cancer,
[52:26.720 --> 52:28.240]  and they don't have it anymore.
[52:28.960 --> 52:30.640]  What is Dr. Rife doing?
[52:31.200 --> 52:34.000]  They raided his office, took everything he had,
[52:34.560 --> 52:36.800]  terminated his medical license,
[52:36.800 --> 52:40.560]  and unfortunately, he died an early death,
[52:40.560 --> 52:44.400]  probably due to alcohol, because they destroyed his life.
[52:44.400 --> 52:45.760]  Well, that is amazing.
[52:46.800 --> 52:47.440]  I don't get it.
[52:47.440 --> 52:48.880]  I just don't get it.
[52:48.960 --> 52:54.640]  I'm excited about you having this kind of information on your show,
[52:54.640 --> 53:00.160]  because you are part of the solution, not the problem.
[53:00.160 --> 53:00.800]  Well, thank you.
[53:00.800 --> 53:04.480]  Yeah, we have to, I've just seen this in so many different ways.
[53:04.480 --> 53:07.360]  You know, the first time, kind of interesting, you know,
[53:07.360 --> 53:09.760]  J. Edgar Griffin, you always think about him with the Federal Reserve.
[53:09.760 --> 53:13.280]  First time I was ever censored was because of a report that I did
[53:13.280 --> 53:15.280]  on the 100th anniversary of the Federal Reserve.
[53:15.600 --> 53:19.760]  They have these systems that are so vital that they will do anything
[53:19.760 --> 53:23.920]  to anybody who even criticizes or calls into question what these systems are.
[53:25.040 --> 53:29.760]  It truly is amazing how vigorously they protect themselves with this kind of stuff.
[53:30.720 --> 53:35.840]  Well, I did an interview with Dr. Contreras Jr., you know, Francisco.
[53:35.840 --> 53:41.280]  He's a surgical oncologist, speaks three or four languages fluently.
[53:41.280 --> 53:43.360]  This guy didn't fall off the truck yesterday.
[53:44.240 --> 53:48.000]  And they interviewed me, they interviewed him.
[53:48.000 --> 53:52.160]  We put it on Facebook, we put it on YouTube, and they took it down.
[53:53.520 --> 54:00.640]  This guy said nothing acoustic, didn't make fun of anybody, nothing like that,
[54:00.640 --> 54:03.440]  and they just took it all down.
[54:03.440 --> 54:06.240]  This was recently, like a month ago.
[54:06.720 --> 54:06.960]  Wow.
[54:08.400 --> 54:13.120]  He is a director and founder of the Oasis of Hope Hospital,
[54:13.120 --> 54:19.680]  five-story hospital, two operatories, 24-hour nursing, private rooms,
[54:20.880 --> 54:24.720]  and they took it down because I was on there, you know.
[54:28.080 --> 54:33.840]  It truly is amazing, and they do focus on individuals already.
[54:33.840 --> 54:37.680]  Everybody talks about how they're going to use surveillance and control
[54:37.680 --> 54:42.240]  to limit speech and what people can say and post and all the rest of this stuff.
[54:42.240 --> 54:43.200]  It's already happening.
[54:43.200 --> 54:44.720]  It's been happening for quite some time.
[54:44.720 --> 54:47.120]  I mean, after they took my stuff down on YouTube,
[54:47.120 --> 54:51.200]  I put up a Christmas music program, some Christmas music
[54:51.200 --> 54:55.440]  that I'd done on a channel about a year and a half after that,
[54:55.440 --> 54:59.440]  and they took that down after six months with no explanation.
[54:59.440 --> 55:02.640]  And so we put up a few things now on YouTube.
[55:02.640 --> 55:04.720]  I don't expect that to last very long.
[55:04.720 --> 55:08.400]  We have to very carefully edit it when we put it up,
[55:08.400 --> 55:10.400]  or we know that it'll all be taken down,
[55:10.400 --> 55:13.680]  but it's just kind of there as a pointer to the other stuff that we do.
[55:13.680 --> 55:16.560]  But that's where we live now, and it's only going to get worse
[55:16.560 --> 55:22.320]  because they're focusing so much on how they can identify people
[55:22.320 --> 55:27.520]  and turn using the internet into a permission that is granted by them.
[55:28.560 --> 55:30.880]  Well, I don't know if your viewers know this or not,
[55:30.880 --> 55:33.520]  but you were kind enough to set up a discount.
[55:34.160 --> 55:36.000]  May I talk about that briefly?
[55:37.280 --> 55:41.520]  The things that I took are available and they are legal
[55:42.080 --> 55:44.560]  as long as they're purchased as food supplements.
[55:45.120 --> 55:46.720]  That's what we're saying today.
[55:48.080 --> 55:52.080]  And if they log on to rncstore.com,
[55:52.720 --> 55:57.120]  rnc, like Rick, Nancy, Charlie, store.com,
[55:57.920 --> 56:02.560]  they can order anything that they, you know, the enzymes,
[56:02.560 --> 56:06.800]  the B-17, the B-15, anything they want.
[56:07.360 --> 56:14.480]  And if they put, I wrote it down, NIGHT, K-N-I-G-H-T,
[56:14.480 --> 56:16.240]  which I, yeah, that's your last name.
[56:17.040 --> 56:19.440]  If they put that in at the end of the order,
[56:19.440 --> 56:21.760]  it'll say, do you have a discount code?
[56:21.760 --> 56:23.600]  I hate those because I never have one.
[56:24.720 --> 56:26.000]  Well, you got one now.
[56:26.000 --> 56:27.040]  I got one now.
[56:27.040 --> 56:29.360]  If they write NIGHT in there, they'll save 10%.
[56:30.320 --> 56:31.680]  I don't get it.
[56:31.680 --> 56:33.520]  You don't get that money.
[56:33.520 --> 56:36.560]  That's for your listeners and your viewers.
[56:36.560 --> 56:40.320]  So they may not know this, but that's a great thing you did.
[56:40.960 --> 56:43.760]  And you may have to go to Rumble with this
[56:43.760 --> 56:47.600]  because you got Ricky on here today and they're after me.
[56:47.600 --> 56:48.240]  Well, that's where we are.
[56:48.240 --> 56:49.920]  We're on Rumble, Bitshoot, Odyssey.
[56:50.560 --> 56:51.920]  We're on those platforms.
[56:51.920 --> 56:53.280]  And of course I'm still on Twitter,
[56:53.280 --> 56:56.000]  but heavily shadow banned there.
[56:56.000 --> 56:58.240]  And we've verified that.
[56:58.240 --> 57:00.080]  But that's just the world that we live in.
[57:00.080 --> 57:02.560]  So we just accept that and we move on
[57:02.560 --> 57:03.840]  and we do the best that we can.
[57:03.840 --> 57:07.920]  But it truly is an amazing commentary on our government
[57:07.920 --> 57:10.880]  to the extent that nothing that they do surprises me.
[57:10.880 --> 57:13.200]  If you're going to let people get cancer
[57:13.200 --> 57:16.080]  and if you're going to pick their pockets
[57:16.080 --> 57:17.520]  as they're dying in agony,
[57:18.320 --> 57:20.480]  then I guess you could pretty much do anything, right?
[57:21.120 --> 57:22.800]  And there's nothing that's taken off the table.
[57:23.440 --> 57:28.960]  Oasis of Hope just developed an oral B17 liposomal
[57:29.840 --> 57:31.840]  and compare this now.
[57:33.200 --> 57:34.640]  When I was at the Mayo Clinic,
[57:34.640 --> 57:37.360]  had I stayed and gotten the chemo and the radiation
[57:37.360 --> 57:38.240]  and what they wanted to do,
[57:40.000 --> 57:43.360]  500,000, 600,000,
[57:44.000 --> 57:46.800]  you can buy a bottle of this stuff for 300 bucks.
[57:47.680 --> 57:49.760]  And that's what's driving them crazy
[57:50.400 --> 57:55.600]  because these integrative alternative guys and women
[57:56.400 --> 57:58.160]  put their life on the line and say,
[57:58.160 --> 58:00.960]  you know, there's other ways to do this
[58:02.160 --> 58:05.040]  and for a little bit of money.
[58:06.160 --> 58:07.760]  And that's what's cooking the deal.
[58:07.760 --> 58:10.400]  That's what's causing the war out in the streets.
[58:11.440 --> 58:13.120]  But I'm going to fight that war.
[58:13.760 --> 58:15.440]  I'm going to be vocal like you.
[58:16.160 --> 58:18.160]  And I'm not going to get shoved around
[58:18.800 --> 58:21.760]  because somebody spoke up
[58:22.320 --> 58:26.160]  and saved my life 51 years ago.
[58:26.160 --> 58:26.720]  Yes.
[58:26.720 --> 58:28.000]  How dare I?
[58:29.360 --> 58:30.160]  If somebody says,
[58:30.160 --> 58:31.920]  Rick, you had cancer a long time ago.
[58:31.920 --> 58:33.040]  How'd you get well?
[58:33.040 --> 58:35.920]  Well, you know, I just took what they asked me to take.
[58:38.400 --> 58:40.240]  No, no, no, no, no, no.
[58:40.240 --> 58:40.640]  Yeah.
[58:40.640 --> 58:41.600]  Well, good for you.
[58:41.600 --> 58:42.080]  Yeah.
[58:42.080 --> 58:43.040]  And we know it's the money.
[58:43.040 --> 58:45.120]  You want to know that it's the love of money
[58:45.120 --> 58:47.680]  as Jesus said, the root of all evil, right?
[58:48.240 --> 58:50.880]  And that really is what we see over and over again.
[58:51.520 --> 58:53.680]  There is so much money involved in that
[58:54.400 --> 58:56.400]  that they will do very evil things to people.
[58:56.400 --> 58:58.320]  So I appreciate you putting that out there.
[58:58.320 --> 59:00.000]  People can educate themselves.
[59:00.000 --> 59:03.280]  Again, if you go to myworldwithoutcancer.com,
[59:03.920 --> 59:05.760]  there's a free book there, a download,
[59:05.760 --> 59:06.880]  and they can find that.
[59:06.880 --> 59:09.280]  Is that where your book there is as well?
[59:09.280 --> 59:10.720]  My book is in there,
[59:10.720 --> 59:14.400]  but my book is either on rncstore.com
[59:15.360 --> 59:19.840]  or it's at b17works.com
[59:19.840 --> 59:22.560]  if they fill out that little one page questionnaire.
[59:23.120 --> 59:24.480]  And I'm hippocertified.
[59:24.480 --> 59:26.480]  No one's going to share anything.
[59:26.480 --> 59:27.280]  That's private.
[59:28.400 --> 59:31.120]  But I'll send them a copy of my book.
[59:31.840 --> 59:32.960]  And it's a fun book.
[59:32.960 --> 59:34.640]  I used to do stand-up comedy
[59:35.280 --> 59:37.600]  and I don't know how funny cancer is,
[59:37.600 --> 59:40.320]  but what they tried to do to me was funny.
[59:40.320 --> 59:40.960]  Yeah.
[59:40.960 --> 59:43.360]  And not funny, haha, funny, odd.
[59:43.360 --> 59:44.000]  Yeah.
[59:44.080 --> 59:46.000]  But yeah, they can get all that.
[59:46.560 --> 59:48.400]  Even Amazon carries my book.
[59:49.120 --> 59:51.120]  So, you know, we've got a few people
[59:51.120 --> 59:53.040]  that are still willing to be okay.
[59:54.080 --> 59:56.960]  But yeah, I'm feeling fine.
[59:56.960 --> 59:59.200]  I'm 150 pounds.
[59:59.200 --> 01:00:00.240]  I'm 5'9".
[01:00:01.040 --> 01:00:03.520]  I don't take any prescription drugs.
[01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:07.040]  I've never had chemo, never had radiation,
[01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:11.120]  and I've never had a relapse in 51 years.
[01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:13.040]  And I got that Mayo Clinic letter
[01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:15.280]  that you've read and proved.
[01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:16.160]  That's right.
[01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:18.400]  That said, I'm not lying about this.
[01:00:19.600 --> 01:00:23.680]  And my slides are preserved in paraffin at the Mayo Clinic
[01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:25.120]  because when I wrote them and told them
[01:00:25.120 --> 01:00:28.560]  I was going to sue them, they got ready.
[01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:32.320]  So yeah, no, we're telling the truth.
[01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:32.800]  That's great.
[01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:37.200]  But I'm not prescribing.
[01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:40.160]  I'm not telling people, yes, you can get well.
[01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:42.800]  What I'm saying is I got well.
[01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:45.760]  And if that sounds like a good idea,
[01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.080]  I'm willing to talk to you about it
[01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.120]  and, you know, move the ball down the field.
[01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:53.200]  That's great that you're doing that.
[01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:56.000]  It's just a sad commentary on our government
[01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.920]  that you have to be so careful
[01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.480]  about how you present this information
[01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.680]  or they will attack you.
[01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:05.280]  I mean, that in and of itself is just offensive
[01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.040]  when you look at how they police all this information.
[01:01:09.120 --> 01:01:12.480]  And, you know, call it whatever they want to call it.
[01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.160]  But I'm used to that.
[01:01:14.160 --> 01:01:16.800]  I mean, there's so many different topics
[01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:17.920]  that they will cancel you for,
[01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.320]  but that is one of the key ones that's there.
[01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.320]  Again, b17works,
[01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.320]  works.com and oasisofhope.com
[01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.600]  and also rncstore.com.
[01:01:31.600 --> 01:01:33.200]  And that's where you can use the code night
[01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.640]  to get some books as well as supplements
[01:01:36.640 --> 01:01:38.960]  that they sell there and get a 10% discount off of that.
[01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:40.080]  Thank you so much.
[01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:41.760]  Night with a K.
[01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:42.240]  That's right.
[01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:43.840]  Thank you so much, Rick.
[01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.760]  I appreciate your story.
[01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.800]  And I'm glad that it all worked out for you.
[01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.360]  And we're glad that you're doing fine.
[01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.000]  I just think back of all the friends and family
[01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.280]  that I've lost to cancer.
[01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:01.040]  Your father never came out of a coma.
[01:02:01.040 --> 01:02:02.240]  What is that about?
[01:02:02.240 --> 01:02:04.880]  My sister died at the age of 50 with cancer.
[01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.000]  And she went to the MD Anderson clinic
[01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.600]  and they messed her up really bad.
[01:02:09.600 --> 01:02:11.040]  It was difficult.
[01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.160]  Last couple of months of her life really was.
[01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:18.000]  So it's something that really hits home in my family.
[01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:19.520]  And I want to get this information out.
[01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:21.120]  So thank you so much for coming on, Rick.
[01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:21.760]  I appreciate it.
[01:02:22.560 --> 01:02:23.760]  I enjoyed being here.
[01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.480]  And every time you call me, I'll come run it.
[01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.040]  Thank you.
[01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:27.600]  Thank you.
[01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:28.320]  Have a good day.
[01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.960]  Thank you very much.
[01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:29.360]  Thank you.
[01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.280]  Again, Rick Hill and myworldwithoutcancer.com
[01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:36.800]  b17works.com oasisofhope.com
[01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.920]  and of course rncstore.com
[01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:43.120]  where you can get some of the things that they talk about.
[01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:18.320]  Making sense.
[01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:19.200]  Common again.
[01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.320]  You're listening to The David Knight Show.
[01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:34.160]  Well, joining us now is Sasha Poparuk.
[01:04:34.160 --> 01:04:37.280]  And he has an international perspective
[01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:38.320]  on the real estate market.
[01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.760]  You know, we have a way that we have here in America
[01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:43.120]  of buying and selling houses,
[01:04:43.120 --> 01:04:45.120]  which is different than the rest of the world.
[01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:48.080]  We've only seen one way for several decades.
[01:04:48.080 --> 01:04:51.360]  But even that way is undergoing a lot of different changes.
[01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.080]  We've had major lawsuits between brokerages
[01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:57.360]  and others fighting each other in court
[01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:58.960]  in terms of how listings are going to be done,
[01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:00.160]  how real estate is going to be done,
[01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.320]  commissions and things like that.
[01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.680]  Two major lawsuits with the National Association of Realtors,
[01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:08.640]  one in 2023 that was $1.8 billion.
[01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.120]  And then there was another one for $400-something million
[01:05:13.120 --> 01:05:14.960]  that happened in 2024.
[01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.880]  Meanwhile, there are lawsuits going back and forth
[01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.200]  between big brokerage companies like Remax
[01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:21.600]  and a service called Compass
[01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:27.840]  that is doing listings for a short period of time
[01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.160]  before they put them out for multiple listing.
[01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:33.600]  And so that's created a competition between Compass and Zillow.
[01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:37.600]  So Sasha has a company
[01:05:37.600 --> 01:05:40.640]  that is the first international real estate platform.
[01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:41.920]  So I thought it'd be kind of interesting
[01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:43.520]  to get his perspective
[01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:46.960]  on how things are rapidly changing here in the United States,
[01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.440]  as well as what is customary internationally.
[01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.920]  So joining us now is Sasha Poparik,
[01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.000]  the founder of Immobilium,
[01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:55.200]  I guess is the way you pronounce it.
[01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:55.840]  Is that correct?
[01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:57.440]  Correct, sir.
[01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:58.400]  And thank you, David.
[01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.960]  Thank you for having me on your podcast.
[01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:02.000]  Well, thank you for coming on.
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:02.960]  Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
[01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.800]  A lot of tech changes are really happening.
[01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.080]  And I think even when we look at the ability
[01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:10.080]  of artificial intelligence to go through
[01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:11.920]  and sort through a large amount of data
[01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:16.240]  and bring that home and make some sense of it,
[01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:18.480]  we're not at the point yet
[01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.640]  where the AI agents are really working that well.
[01:06:20.640 --> 01:06:24.080]  But theoretically, you could have an AI agent
[01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:26.320]  that would go out and look at listings
[01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:28.720]  and you tell it you want to be in this general area
[01:06:28.720 --> 01:06:30.160]  and you give it some other parameters,
[01:06:30.160 --> 01:06:31.840]  maybe about schools or this or that,
[01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.680]  and have it do a sort through of all the data
[01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:37.440]  that's out there and present candidates to you.
[01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.120]  Well, what do you think is going to be happening
[01:06:39.120 --> 01:06:40.160]  in the real estate market?
[01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:46.480]  Wow, I mean, we had this like little chat
[01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.520]  before we started it.
[01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:53.280]  And I think that the major thing that's going to happen
[01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.880]  is that unfortunately or fortunately,
[01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.520]  agents are going to become more and more obsolete.
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.320]  Human agents, human agents, you mean real estate agents.
[01:07:05.120 --> 01:07:08.800]  Absolutely, the physical appearance of an agent
[01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.160]  because the work that agents provide today,
[01:07:12.160 --> 01:07:14.960]  it's not even as close what was happening 10, 15,
[01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.280]  I'm not even talking about 20 years ago.
[01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.440]  I mean, you as a seller, let's say in 2000s,
[01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.840]  early 2000s, were hired an agent who would go
[01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:31.280]  and break his or hers leg and show it in the house
[01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.240]  and take pictures and do all these documentations,
[01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:36.160]  applications, anything for you,
[01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.040]  which was rightfully something
[01:07:39.040 --> 01:07:42.080]  that would earn the agent 5% of the commission
[01:07:42.080 --> 01:07:44.560]  or 6% of commission depends on the area.
[01:07:44.560 --> 01:07:45.360]  Exactly, yeah.
[01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.200]  Today's age, I mean, I am not sure what agents
[01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:53.520]  are actually doing except being like Instagram models.
[01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:57.200]  I mean, you can say, okay,
[01:07:57.200 --> 01:07:58.720]  so people are going to look at me now
[01:07:58.720 --> 01:08:00.640]  because I have tons of friends who are agents
[01:08:00.640 --> 01:08:02.400]  and tons of friends who are brokers.
[01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:04.320]  And I think they already know this whole thing.
[01:08:05.040 --> 01:08:10.000]  This whole COVID period shook that three
[01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:14.800]  of 400,000 agents in California alone
[01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:19.120]  coming down to maybe like only 30% of them
[01:08:19.120 --> 01:08:20.800]  actually selling something.
[01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.320]  And because every single agent prior the COVID,
[01:08:24.320 --> 01:08:27.440]  prior the interest rates coming to just a few percent
[01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:30.800]  and was making $200,000 a year
[01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.120]  buying the brand new beamers,
[01:08:33.120 --> 01:08:37.760]  buying all the amazing purses like if it was a female agent.
[01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.240]  And it was like irritating the neighbor next door
[01:08:40.240 --> 01:08:42.160]  who was actually doing something else,
[01:08:42.160 --> 01:08:45.920]  being a hostess of being like, you know, receptionist.
[01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.920]  And then she goes neighbors like, oh my God,
[01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.120]  how do you make all this money?
[01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.560]  It was seller's market properties
[01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:53.920]  being sold left and right.
[01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:56.480]  And then they go, look, you just go do your test
[01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.800]  three, four months, you know, whatever.
[01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.440]  You get your license and join my brokerage
[01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:03.360]  and I'm going to give you so many deals
[01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:08.480]  because the market is looking for buyers to accumulate.
[01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.120]  And everyone was making money.
[01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:14.000]  When COVID hit, after the COVID,
[01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.240]  the economy started crashing down, all these things.
[01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:18.960]  Most of the agents fell off
[01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.240]  and they go back to their own roots,
[01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:24.960]  back to being hairstylists, back to be hostess,
[01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.960]  back to be receptionist.
[01:09:28.480 --> 01:09:30.080]  There was nothing on the market.
[01:09:30.080 --> 01:09:32.160]  There was no sales, but not just that.
[01:09:32.160 --> 01:09:36.000]  There was nothing that could contribute towards
[01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.600]  the helping the industry grow.
[01:09:40.240 --> 01:09:44.320]  And I think that that era has pushed technology
[01:09:44.320 --> 01:09:47.200]  to that roof because every single agent
[01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:49.600]  who was sticking to its own gun, you know what?
[01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:51.520]  I'm going to stick to this thing.
[01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.320]  They were looking for ways how to utilize
[01:09:56.320 --> 01:10:00.400]  on technology itself and how to monetize
[01:10:00.400 --> 01:10:03.920]  to make it easier for them to sell the property.
[01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:09.120]  So technology became its own beast, its own entity,
[01:10:09.120 --> 01:10:12.480]  its own, so to say, a beam parallel
[01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:14.160]  towards the real estate industry.
[01:10:14.160 --> 01:10:16.560]  And people are start slowly adapting
[01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.160]  towards technology on enormous ways.
[01:10:20.160 --> 01:10:24.480]  So technology grew up next to the whole market.
[01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:27.440]  Now you're coming with concepts like Compass.
[01:10:28.160 --> 01:10:31.120]  Compass and the Refkin, which is an amazing,
[01:10:31.120 --> 01:10:34.960]  amazing brain of a human.
[01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:36.400]  Like he saw that.
[01:10:36.400 --> 01:10:40.800]  He saw that tech, you know, future.
[01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.800]  And so did others.
[01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:43.920]  So did Zillow.
[01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.480]  So is Google right now.
[01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:50.480]  And it's becoming more and more relevant
[01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:54.960]  for you to use technology as a tool
[01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:59.520]  and making it so accessible and so easier
[01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.080]  to even the agents who are not tech savvy
[01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:05.760]  to actually utilize the sales.
[01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.400]  I remember when we built our own tech
[01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:15.120]  in the early 2020s, and I was going
[01:11:15.120 --> 01:11:16.960]  and it was this blockchain thing.
[01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.520]  And people were asking, what is blockchain?
[01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:20.960]  Crypto was on top.
[01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.840]  Everyone was buying Bitcoin.
[01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:25.680]  Everyone's buying Dogecoin.
[01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:27.680]  Everyone was buying all these coins.
[01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:28.880]  Everyone was making money.
[01:11:29.440 --> 01:11:33.680]  So agents themselves who are not so tech savvy
[01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:37.280]  would automatically associate blockchain
[01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:40.160]  and all this new technology to Bitcoin.
[01:11:40.160 --> 01:11:43.680]  As long as it was working and Bitcoin was rising.
[01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:45.440]  So to say the crypto was rising,
[01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.400]  they were the biggest fan of the tech.
[01:11:49.440 --> 01:11:51.520]  The crypto start crashing down.
[01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:53.360]  So much scam was happening.
[01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:56.160]  They were like then literally eliminating
[01:11:56.160 --> 01:11:58.240]  everything that they actually got associated
[01:11:58.240 --> 01:12:00.320]  with when it comes to technology.
[01:12:00.320 --> 01:12:01.680]  They didn't want to deal with this thing
[01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:06.000]  that even us had to bury this whole amazing concept
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.600]  of transparency, security and transaction on a global level
[01:12:10.160 --> 01:12:13.280]  and put the agents first, the human factor first.
[01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.320]  For us actually helped us build this franchise.
[01:12:18.320 --> 01:12:22.160]  It was actually a blessing in disguise
[01:12:22.160 --> 01:12:26.960]  adding human factor and adding these whole agents
[01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:29.280]  on top of it to make us grow.
[01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:33.280]  Now, Compass sees, hold on a second.
[01:12:33.280 --> 01:12:35.040]  We built something significant.
[01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:36.640]  We are expanding.
[01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:40.000]  We've been through throughout
[01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.280]  and straightforward to this whole real estate winter
[01:12:43.280 --> 01:12:45.280]  and crypto winter and there is a light
[01:12:45.280 --> 01:12:46.240]  in the end of the tunnel.
[01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.920]  Why do we have to now really deal
[01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:54.320]  whatever the National Association of Realtors, NAR,
[01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:55.840]  is dictating?
[01:12:56.480 --> 01:12:58.080]  There is no point of that.
[01:12:58.080 --> 01:13:03.120]  The same way people see MLS as the major platform
[01:13:03.120 --> 01:13:06.240]  dictating their own ways and Compass said,
[01:13:06.240 --> 01:13:09.120]  hey, I'm going to go and do it my own way.
[01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.400]  And this feel well with NAR
[01:13:12.400 --> 01:13:14.240]  and that's why the lawsuits are starting.
[01:13:14.240 --> 01:13:14.880]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:16.560]  It is kind of interesting as you're talking about this.
[01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:17.600]  What value do they add?
[01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.640]  And I remember when we bought a house in the early 80s
[01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:22.320]  and we were in Texas,
[01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:24.800]  we were buying a house in North Carolina
[01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.520]  and we had an agent who did what you were talking about.
[01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.400]  They would physically go around to the different places
[01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:32.960]  and take, you know, at the time they had a,
[01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:35.200]  you know, in the early 80s,
[01:13:35.200 --> 01:13:37.520]  they had like a fax machine
[01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.560]  that would give them a text description only
[01:13:41.120 --> 01:13:42.240]  of this property.
[01:13:42.240 --> 01:13:43.120]  And so they could look at it,
[01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:44.560]  see how many square feet it was
[01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:45.840]  and bedrooms and things like that.
[01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:49.280]  But they didn't have any way to actually transmit pictures.
[01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:51.440]  So they would go around and take pictures of it.
[01:13:51.440 --> 01:13:53.200]  They'd spend a lot of time looking at it
[01:13:53.200 --> 01:13:53.840]  and that type of thing.
[01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:56.880]  But, and then narrowing it down,
[01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.720]  talking to us, narrowing it down.
[01:13:58.720 --> 01:13:59.920]  And then when we came to visit,
[01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:02.240]  they had a list of places that we could go look at.
[01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.160]  But since then, I've been scratching my head
[01:14:06.160 --> 01:14:08.800]  and saying, you know, what do I really need an agent for?
[01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:10.720]  Because if we've got the capability
[01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.960]  to look at these listings online
[01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.960]  with pictures and all the rest of the stuff,
[01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.600]  I'm doing all the leg work, actually finger work, right?
[01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:19.440]  Looking at all these different things
[01:14:19.440 --> 01:14:21.040]  with the databases there.
[01:14:21.040 --> 01:14:23.360]  And what value are the agents really adding
[01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:24.240]  to any of that?
[01:14:24.240 --> 01:14:27.280]  And I think furthermore, when we look at it,
[01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:28.560]  probably the time is coming
[01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.480]  where you'd be able to, not too far off,
[01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:31.680]  somebody's going to put something in
[01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:33.280]  that lets you do a virtual house tour
[01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:35.600]  that's going to be kind of three-dimensional, right?
[01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.520]  And you won't need to physically go there.
[01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:38.800]  You'd get a very good idea of it.
[01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.440]  You'll still want to go probably and kick the tires.
[01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:45.840]  But being able to get a sense of the space
[01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.240]  and being able to move through it and that type of thing,
[01:14:48.240 --> 01:14:49.920]  I think that's probably the next thing that's coming.
[01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.440]  So the question then is,
[01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:54.960]  what function do these agents bring to it?
[01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.040]  And I think that's a key thing that's there.
[01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.840]  What you have now is an institution
[01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.840]  that was set up for a different time
[01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.080]  when people didn't have that kind of information
[01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:04.960]  at their fingertips.
[01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.040]  And it's become an anachronism, I think.
[01:15:07.040 --> 01:15:08.320]  And so there's going to be a lot of changes.
[01:15:08.320 --> 01:15:11.120]  So when you look at, as an international agency,
[01:15:11.120 --> 01:15:14.000]  talk to us about how it's different in other countries
[01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.160]  in terms of the house buying experience in America.
[01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:22.960]  I think that, as you just said, and I completely agree with you,
[01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:26.560]  an agent had to come to you, fill out the papers,
[01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.680]  sign here, fax it, go, show you, drive you around.
[01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:32.480]  Oh my God, my first properties in the 90s.
[01:15:32.480 --> 01:15:34.000]  Actually, I got tired.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.280]  I got tired driving around with an agent who set everything up.
[01:15:37.280 --> 01:15:40.640]  I could not even imagine that I had to deal with this thing,
[01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.080]  that I had to deal with sellers, with seller's agent,
[01:15:45.040 --> 01:15:49.600]  with escrow, with title, because the security and transparency
[01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:51.840]  through technology did not exist.
[01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:55.040]  Today, you sign everything with DocuSign.
[01:15:55.040 --> 01:15:57.120]  You don't even have to go to Notary anymore.
[01:15:57.120 --> 01:16:00.560]  There is RON, remote online notarization,
[01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.720]  that you and I can now really be with a third party notary public
[01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.200]  through a video call and authorize everything.
[01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:09.200]  So I don't have to leave the house.
[01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:12.560]  The problem is this thing is still not there.
[01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:16.160]  It's the getting used to a factor.
[01:16:16.160 --> 01:16:22.320]  The same way it took you a long time to switch from a cab,
[01:16:22.320 --> 01:16:23.920]  from a taxi to an Uber.
[01:16:24.480 --> 01:16:29.520]  The same way it took you a long time to switch from a BlackBerry to an iPhone.
[01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:35.040]  You cannot even imagine not having a keyboard to type.
[01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:36.240]  What is an iPhone?
[01:16:36.240 --> 01:16:40.080]  You were fighting it while technology was there and growing it.
[01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.880]  More and more people are getting comfortable,
[01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.080]  comfortable with dealing with their own thing.
[01:16:46.080 --> 01:16:50.720]  Now, you're going to say, is 5% to 6% commission worth it
[01:16:52.240 --> 01:16:59.440]  for an agent to collect on a property that's been sold to an agent
[01:16:59.440 --> 01:17:02.560]  in today's age, today's society?
[01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:03.360]  Absolutely not.
[01:17:05.440 --> 01:17:09.120]  Because most of the work, it's already been prepared by a seller.
[01:17:10.320 --> 01:17:14.080]  If the seller is really wants to put some effort,
[01:17:14.080 --> 01:17:18.320]  they can deal with what you may call it with title company.
[01:17:18.320 --> 01:17:21.440]  They can deal with escrow.
[01:17:21.440 --> 01:17:22.800]  They can deal with inspection.
[01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:29.680]  There is still this securing concept of a buyer not trusting the seller.
[01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.720]  It's not like you're buying something from your brother next door.
[01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:37.280]  You're buying through someone that do not.
[01:17:37.280 --> 01:17:39.600]  So that's why they're using these brokerages.
[01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:46.880]  Brokerage is someone who guarantees that the legitimacy of the process
[01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:48.720]  is going to be completed right.
[01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:52.400]  And that's when the seller and buyers are needing a third party.
[01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:56.240]  Generally speaking, if I will meet you now and we put something on a paper
[01:17:56.240 --> 01:17:58.400]  and it's like, okay, let's just be honest with each other.
[01:17:58.400 --> 01:17:59.920]  Let's go through inspection together.
[01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:01.360]  Let's go through this together.
[01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:04.080]  We both can bypass 5%, 6% commission.
[01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:07.120]  The only thing that's needed here is an escrow,
[01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:10.720]  which is something that until we submit all the paperwork
[01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.880]  is the main factor of holding this transaction and the money.
[01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:21.520]  What I'm seeing where agents are needed, it's like in art business.
[01:18:23.200 --> 01:18:28.960]  It's easy for you to sell an emerging artist's painting
[01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.760]  who now through your show can showcase it.
[01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.200]  Look what I have.
[01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:35.920]  Go to one of these platforms and buy it.
[01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:36.960]  And you say, okay, great.
[01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.320]  When you are coming to like Picasso's,
[01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:46.160]  when you are coming to Frida Kahlo's or Pollock's or those really abstract
[01:18:46.160 --> 01:18:49.040]  or like very expensive collectors artists,
[01:18:49.040 --> 01:18:51.120]  they're worth millions and millions of dollars.
[01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:55.760]  You need millions of dollars equivalent buyers.
[01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.960]  Those guys, they don't sit around.
[01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:00.800]  They don't look through Zillow.
[01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:05.440]  They do not actually just, you know, knock on doors.
[01:19:05.440 --> 01:19:08.880]  They need specific group of agents
[01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:13.920]  who are having buyers catalogs or having sellers catalogs
[01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:19.040]  because these people have enough money to actually not deal with agents.
[01:19:19.040 --> 01:19:24.160]  And when a $10 million property with 5% commission
[01:19:24.160 --> 01:19:29.120]  costs half a million dollars out of a seller's pocket,
[01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:33.120]  it makes sense because the sale of a $10 million,
[01:19:33.120 --> 01:19:35.840]  $20 million mansion was done faster.
[01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.640]  These individuals may always need some agents.
[01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:46.720]  But if I have a $400,000 condo in, I don't know,
[01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:49.760]  call it like Phoenix, Arizona, you know,
[01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:51.360]  I don't know why I need an agent for.
[01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:52.720]  What is agents going to do?
[01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:54.000]  The place is on the market.
[01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:56.480]  It's nothing extravagant.
[01:19:56.480 --> 01:19:58.000]  As long as you get yourself a loan
[01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.920]  and you can tell me that you have a proof of funds,
[01:20:00.480 --> 01:20:02.320]  I'm there to close the deal
[01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:04.640]  and to save us 20 grand.
[01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:05.600]  Why not?
[01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:08.160]  So those are the things I'm seeing agents
[01:20:08.160 --> 01:20:11.440]  being still part of some society down the road
[01:20:12.080 --> 01:20:16.400]  versus like being associated with every single property on the market.
[01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:18.480]  Yeah, when you're talking about the high-end properties,
[01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:20.400]  it reminds me when I've been to Jackson Hole,
[01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:24.720]  I see the real estate dealers that are there in places like Sotheby's,
[01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.880]  you know, because you think of as a fine art auction house.
[01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.200]  And because the properties are so expensive,
[01:20:31.200 --> 01:20:34.960]  that's what they're doing and actually using the analogy that you did,
[01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:38.320]  that you got somebody that is going to be connected
[01:20:38.320 --> 01:20:41.440]  to the very wealthy people who could pay that kind of money
[01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:43.760]  for a home there in Jackson Hole.
[01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:45.120]  So I agree with you with that.
[01:20:45.120 --> 01:20:47.760]  But in terms of the bread and butter stuff that is out there,
[01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.920]  the ordinary size homes, it's a huge commission to pay
[01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:54.720]  when there's not a lot of services that are being provided there.
[01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:59.520]  So tell us a little bit about your international real estate platform
[01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.960]  and how is that different than what we see that's out there right now?
[01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:07.120]  Have we lost him?
[01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:09.280]  Yeah.
[01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:10.420]  Okay.
[01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:13.120]  Let's try to reconnect.
[01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:15.040]  I think we got to cut off.
[01:21:15.040 --> 01:21:15.680]  Oh, okay, we did.
[01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:16.480]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:17.520]  Okay, we're back now.
[01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:21.840]  Let's, I said, you know, we're going to get back to you.
[01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:28.400]  Let's, I said, so tell us a little bit about your platform, Mobilium,
[01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:31.360]  and it's the first international real estate platform.
[01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:35.200]  How does that operate that's different from what Americans are used to seeing
[01:21:35.200 --> 01:21:38.960]  through realestate.com and Zillow and their local agents?
[01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:46.400]  Well, as an American real estate industry,
[01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:49.920]  you're always kind of associate what's in your backyard,
[01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:51.840]  what's close to you.
[01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:57.120]  You know, I have friends of mine who I'm trying to sway over to buy amazing properties
[01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:05.680]  in like, you know, Spain, Greece, even Africa, Dubai, you know, South America, amazing deals.
[01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:10.400]  Now with Maduro gone in Venezuela, there's so many deals over there.
[01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:14.480]  And we all know that Venezuela potentially where we have our operation,
[01:22:15.040 --> 01:22:20.400]  it's at one point is going to be probably like the most prosperous country in South America.
[01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:27.840]  But like now convincing you, David, to tell you, hey, why don't you buy a $10 million hotel
[01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.280]  in Isla Margarita, Venezuela?
[01:22:31.280 --> 01:22:38.560]  You would tell me, Sasha, this is all great, but I do not know anything about that area.
[01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:41.440]  And I tell you, dude, you're going to make three times the money,
[01:22:41.440 --> 01:22:46.800]  what you're going to make in Los Angeles, because national like increasing properties
[01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:51.040]  in California, it's like 10% versus let's say what's happening overseas.
[01:22:51.040 --> 01:22:56.000]  You're going to tell me, Sasha, I like my 10% because I don't know the law,
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.000]  the rules and regulations or anything like that.
[01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.120]  Was there something that could be overseas?
[01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:08.400]  Now, this is coming from someone who is more stationary located in the areas
[01:23:09.200 --> 01:23:12.560]  of your own, so to say, a vicinity.
[01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:18.240]  But major companies, major investors, they don't buy anything local.
[01:23:18.240 --> 01:23:21.200]  They want to, it's already over exaggerating.
[01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:25.920]  They want to actually buy something that's 30 cents on a dollar.
[01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:32.560]  And those are the guys that actually use us or like any other major international franchises
[01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:39.120]  to purchase properties in St. Lucia or purchase properties in different other countries
[01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.240]  with security and transparency.
[01:23:42.240 --> 01:23:49.520]  So what we did, we actually created technology that allows all this transaction to happen
[01:23:50.400 --> 01:23:55.280]  connecting with the banking systems, connecting and converting crypto into a fiat.
[01:23:55.280 --> 01:24:01.600]  That's a major concept that some countries still do not accept crypto payments.
[01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:07.520]  So we are converting them and sending fiat, which means dollars or euros into those countries.
[01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:10.000]  And of course, securities.
[01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:18.320]  Here you have in America, almost by default, inspection title, as we say, like escrow.
[01:24:18.320 --> 01:24:20.160]  In other countries, you don't.
[01:24:20.160 --> 01:24:24.160]  So for you to just go and buy something in another country,
[01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.720]  it's like a risk that you're taking unless you have
[01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:33.520]  somewhere there on a ground doing that legwork for you, doing this security for you.
[01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:42.000]  And what we actually have done, we have so far 102 global locations in 60 countries.
[01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:50.960]  So we syndicated boutique brokerages to be under our umbrella, to be under our franchise.
[01:24:52.400 --> 01:24:57.200]  We still gave them and still, we still told them to keep their own identity.
[01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.400]  That's another aspect of international way of thinking.
[01:25:00.400 --> 01:25:02.880]  Oh, you're going to come here as a predator.
[01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.560]  You're going to take my name away.
[01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:05.760]  It's not Travis Knight.
[01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:08.400]  Now it's Remax.
[01:25:08.400 --> 01:25:09.600]  So we said, no, no, no.
[01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:13.200]  How about you steal Travis Knight and we just give you the roof over your head
[01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:18.320]  and technology to make your more transparent to international buyers.
[01:25:18.320 --> 01:25:19.520]  And then you say, okay, great.
[01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:20.480]  I'm happy about it.
[01:25:20.480 --> 01:25:24.000]  Like it's, it's a sensitive concept, but what we're doing,
[01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:30.320]  we are not just catering to an American buying something in Malta.
[01:25:30.320 --> 01:25:36.960]  What we are doing, we are focusing or where the diaspora, the immigration is,
[01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:41.360]  like focusing to access those like centers.
[01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:46.160]  Well, let's say there is a half a million Greeks living in Chicago.
[01:25:46.160 --> 01:25:52.000]  So pretty much they're going to be 99% buyers of the Greek properties in Greek islands
[01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.040]  or something like that.
[01:25:53.040 --> 01:25:57.680]  We're not going to force feed some American telling you buy this thing in Attes.
[01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.680]  We're going to go to Greek communities.
[01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:05.040]  We're going to go to Greek cultural centers and say, hey, we are here to help you buy
[01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:11.280]  something from back home because eventually you may just go back, immigrate, retire,
[01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:13.200]  and be where you came from.
[01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:20.640]  And by starting that, we opened those doors, those pipelines where now even in Americans
[01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:26.240]  who have nothing to do with, let's say Greece in general, as an example, are willing to
[01:26:26.240 --> 01:26:27.920]  purchase properties there.
[01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:28.480]  And why?
[01:26:29.200 --> 01:26:36.000]  Because there's many incentives buying, let's say properties in Europe.
[01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:46.480]  You can actually secure yourself a EU residency, European residency by buying a 250,000 euros
[01:26:47.440 --> 01:26:49.840]  property or piece of real estate in Greece.
[01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:56.000]  And it gives you something which is called a golden visa, which is equivalent to like
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:00.160]  a green card in America, allows you to stay in Greece.
[01:27:00.160 --> 01:27:07.040]  And it's a first step for you to become potentially a passport of European Union and immigrate
[01:27:07.040 --> 01:27:07.520]  over there.
[01:27:08.320 --> 01:27:14.560]  Other countries have similar concepts, similar plans like Malta, Portugal, Hungary.
[01:27:15.200 --> 01:27:18.800]  And so they actually doing exactly the same that what America was doing.
[01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:21.120]  Come here, invest money, stay here.
[01:27:21.120 --> 01:27:24.320]  Now they say, hey, why don't you move to Europe?
[01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:29.760]  You've been tired of American way of life, immigrate over here, and you can travel to
[01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:30.640]  Europe.
[01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:38.080]  And so those are the ways that we have set up, not just for Europe, but in America, Africa
[01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:40.000]  as well, and a bunch of other areas.
[01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:41.360]  I see.
[01:27:41.360 --> 01:27:42.960]  Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
[01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:48.320]  Years ago, I remember John Davidson, who was with the National Taxpayers Union, one
[01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:52.080]  of the things he was saying was, you want to try to make sure you've got what he called
[01:27:52.080 --> 01:27:53.520]  residential ambiguity.
[01:27:54.160 --> 01:27:59.760]  Am I really, I have a footprint in several different countries, and he looked at it as
[01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.720]  a way of kind of keeping your foot in the door for freedom.
[01:28:03.280 --> 01:28:05.280]  If it gets really bad in one area, you can get out.
[01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:09.520]  Of course, we've had a lot of people who have emigrated out of the United States because
[01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.120]  of things that they see happening here.
[01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:16.240]  Speaking of international situations, just as kind of an aside, I know this wasn't what
[01:28:16.240 --> 01:28:17.360]  you came on to talk about.
[01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:20.160]  But let's talk a little bit about Venezuela.
[01:28:20.160 --> 01:28:25.440]  Can you kind of give us a temperature reading as to what's going on there?
[01:28:25.440 --> 01:28:30.240]  How are people reacting to the situation that's happened after Maduro has been taken out?
[01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.120]  I'm a dreamer.
[01:28:35.120 --> 01:28:36.320]  I'm a visionary.
[01:28:36.320 --> 01:28:37.600]  I'm delusional.
[01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:39.760]  That's why I actually build my businesses.
[01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.440]  Like I just go and say, you know, whatever the hell kind of stays around.
[01:28:43.440 --> 01:28:44.640]  I have a good friend of mine.
[01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:50.880]  He's one of the top lawyers in LA.
[01:28:53.120 --> 01:28:59.120]  I was visiting him once, and he was like in downtown, probably like the whole building
[01:28:59.120 --> 01:29:05.280]  of lawyers, like 60, 70 lawyers, and they take like every case that comes towards them.
[01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:08.080]  And I go to him, Mark.
[01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:09.200]  Okay, well, the cat is out of the bag.
[01:29:09.200 --> 01:29:11.440]  So, Mark, why all that?
[01:29:11.440 --> 01:29:15.520]  He goes, Sasha, I throw everything against the wall, whatever it sticks.
[01:29:16.320 --> 01:29:20.240]  And, you know, that's actually kind of was building all my businesses on my life.
[01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:27.280]  But to jump to Venezuela, we went there when no one else did, because I realized
[01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:29.520]  there is no competition.
[01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:33.120]  We went into Africa where everyone else is going out.
[01:29:33.120 --> 01:29:37.360]  And now I think we are the biggest African in 16 countries.
[01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:40.640]  So, so are we already positioned in Greenland.
[01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:42.480]  So we are already in Ukraine.
[01:29:42.480 --> 01:29:44.400]  When the war started, we went in Ukraine.
[01:29:44.400 --> 01:29:45.920]  We opened four locations.
[01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:49.440]  We know that that war is going to stop one day and we're going to have a position.
[01:29:50.160 --> 01:29:53.040]  Venezuela was always controversial for us.
[01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:59.200]  And as, you know, hopeful I was, I knew that I had to be pragmatic.
[01:29:59.200 --> 01:30:01.120]  I have to be realistic.
[01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:05.520]  What's the downsize and what's the downfall if things don't work out?
[01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.600]  And I saw that like we didn't know anything illegal.
[01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:10.320]  We are just a real estate company, you know, being positioned there.
[01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:17.440]  But we knew that the population of Venezuela, that the whole, the whole that area there,
[01:30:17.440 --> 01:30:19.760]  they needed an open door.
[01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.080]  They need to open gates, need that.
[01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:26.560]  And I think that Maduro in general was more a symbol than anything else.
[01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:31.360]  I don't think that he was a flexing muscles or something like that.
[01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:36.400]  And the moment, you know, even prior Maduro's, we had deals
[01:30:36.400 --> 01:30:37.760]  that we were offering to people.
[01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:38.560]  They were scared.
[01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:39.920]  No one like that.
[01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:43.120]  I have one of my partner who's actually not even a US citizen.
[01:30:43.120 --> 01:30:45.440]  And he's like, dude, you have to go there and like do some deals.
[01:30:45.440 --> 01:30:46.320]  No, I'm scared.
[01:30:46.320 --> 01:30:47.200]  I'm going to get arrested.
[01:30:47.200 --> 01:30:48.640]  Like nobody's going to arrest you, man.
[01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:49.600]  Nobody cares.
[01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:50.160]  Trust me.
[01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:57.760]  But people were scared and they didn't want even look at Venezuela as a vision,
[01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:58.880]  not even buy something.
[01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:01.760]  Now things have changed.
[01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:06.400]  So we have requests for land purchases.
[01:31:07.120 --> 01:31:12.400]  People are asking us where exactly the oil refineries are.
[01:31:12.400 --> 01:31:15.760]  When it comes to Venezuela, this area is going.
[01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:16.560]  This is it.
[01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:17.520]  That's that's it.
[01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:18.640]  It's stabilizing.
[01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:22.960]  It's going to become probably the most prosperous market in South America.
[01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:23.920]  It's going to dominate.
[01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:29.040]  Some people say, you know, I miss my chance with El Salvador.
[01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:36.160]  And I miss with Venezuela because I said prior that everyone was scared of those areas.
[01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:40.720]  So they say Salvador, Panama, that's those are the those are the kind of like,
[01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.120]  you know, tunnels they're building when it comes to wealth,
[01:31:43.120 --> 01:31:44.800]  when it comes to money making.
[01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.440]  And of course, in its real estate.
[01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:50.560]  So most of people are not approaching us.
[01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:55.760]  Even still, they're like very candidly looking and cautiously looking at this area.
[01:31:56.320 --> 01:32:02.800]  But the smart investors are asking us about land purchases, commercial real estate purchases,
[01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:12.320]  hotels, anything that has a potential of accommodating the new way of, so to say,
[01:32:12.320 --> 01:32:18.800]  migration and who are the first in that line are exactly the industries
[01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.120]  that are going to participate the most.
[01:32:21.120 --> 01:32:22.800]  That's the oil industries.
[01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:24.800]  So that's required.
[01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:30.960]  It's close to the oil refineries, oil like drillings drilling positions.
[01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:36.560]  Then the lands that are available to purchasing, you know, to build hotels,
[01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:45.600]  to build like pretty much like, you know, housings for the first tier of immigrants
[01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:49.600]  who are going to be the workers for all these big oil companies.
[01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:56.240]  The next to it are now more and more interest, not as Caracas itself.
[01:32:57.200 --> 01:33:02.880]  I don't think that that area has any appealing concept unless you are bringing some business
[01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:07.360]  headquarters, but from a residential point of view, people are feeling more and more
[01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:14.000]  now confident looking into, you know, islands there, Venezuelan, like Isla Margarita.
[01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:21.360]  It's between Curacao and I seen, and I think Aruba, these areas, and because those are
[01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:29.120]  deals there that could be now turned into Airbnbs, everything that Venezuela was missing
[01:33:29.120 --> 01:33:34.320]  for all these years, it's shifting down there from a business perspective.
[01:33:34.320 --> 01:33:37.520]  Yeah, that was the amazing thing about Venezuela by talking about the tremendous
[01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:41.920]  natural resources that they had and why this should be one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.
[01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:46.720]  And yet, because of politics and other things like that, it really kept that from happening.
[01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:51.920]  So what you're doing is you're helping people to identify, I guess we could say,
[01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:57.280]  fixer-upper economies that are there. Not just a particular house in a particular neighborhood,
[01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:03.760]  but seeing where there's a region that is poised to really grow, I guess.
[01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:09.200]  How would you advise people in terms of investing in real estate, especially internationally?
[01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:15.600]  Well, I mean, not that I'm trying to put myself first in this game, absolutely not.
[01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:20.000]  I see that we are in the beginning stage of what we are going to be, especially with technology
[01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:26.000]  that you mentioned, and you mentioned how AI now kind of can give you the whole scenario.
[01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:32.640]  And I was associating with this company that actually are Canadians, and they moved to
[01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:38.480]  the Dominican Republic, and they built this software even four years ago that AI was just
[01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:45.040]  starring. And they were literally, the reason they did that because the Dominican Republic
[01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:50.320]  has the biggest influx of Canadian immigrants. They live in Canada, moving to the Dominican
[01:34:50.320 --> 01:34:54.960]  Republic because it's one of the biggest economies in this whole Caribbean belt.
[01:34:56.000 --> 01:35:00.640]  And so they didn't know where to move. So they created the software in-house,
[01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:06.080]  those couple of programmers, and they said, hey, I want to move to the Dominican Republic.
[01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:12.720]  But, you know, I have a father who is 80 years old, and he cannot walk far enough.
[01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:16.640]  And I want to make sure there is a bench, you know, in front of the house,
[01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:22.080]  that like there is no school close to it because schools are loud.
[01:35:22.080 --> 01:35:28.960]  So to build this software, what it does, it's actually searches seven billion points of like
[01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:35.360]  photos through Google map and analyzes every single area where any house is for sale.
[01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:39.680]  So now when you have like, when you go to listing and you see, you know, all these filters,
[01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:45.840]  you see like, oh, I want a three bedroom house with like two bathrooms and accepts dogs. And
[01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:50.240]  it's close to here and close to there. And you can look at it on a map, but you don't know if
[01:35:50.240 --> 01:35:56.240]  there is like traffic light close to it, or if it has this, you know, at which schools. So pretty
[01:35:56.240 --> 01:36:01.600]  much you're going there and you see one segment, but not three days later, it may bother you that
[01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:06.160]  there is kids there coming out of school every single day, and you just just three million dollar
[01:36:06.160 --> 01:36:12.720]  house. So this software even back then can pretty much give you the whole scenario. You give the
[01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.760]  whole scenario where you should move it and eliminates all the other listings in that area
[01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:25.760]  that would actually be a problematic for your way of life. Now imagine how far this thing is going
[01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:34.160]  to go, you know, coming down the down the road. And it's just going to help people move
[01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:43.600]  abroad. Moving was a taboo was something scaring was something like, I don't know if I make mistakes,
[01:36:45.120 --> 01:36:51.600]  we're gonna get scammed. Absolutely scammed. That was the whole major aspect why we build that.
[01:36:51.600 --> 01:37:00.880]  And I remember sitting at our early stages in 2020s in golden. But in one of the offices in
[01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.880]  Beverly Hills, we didn't even have an office. It was covered bankers office in Beverly Hills.
[01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:10.480]  And one of our friend was the GM there. And he brought us there. And we had like this thing
[01:37:10.480 --> 01:37:16.400]  called AMA, like ask me anything where people log in from around the world and ask us about our
[01:37:16.400 --> 01:37:23.760]  platform and about our, you know, concept. And we try to impress who is who from the industry
[01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:30.960]  that was like leaders from like, fidelity leaders from like Sotheby's leader from everyone watching
[01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:38.400]  us. And more and more people were joining with questions. They were from Africa, from Nigeria,
[01:37:38.400 --> 01:37:44.880]  or something like that. Be a bigot and not to take their questions. So I took, you know, one,
[01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:49.840]  two, three questions. And at one point, I was like, okay, this is not looking good for me,
[01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:54.880]  because I was hoping someone from London is going to join in and ask me how to buy a property in
[01:37:54.880 --> 01:38:01.280]  Beverly Hills, or South Tokyo, how to buy property in, let's say, like, I don't know, like Dubai.
[01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:07.760]  So I say, you know, let me double down on that. So I opened up a conversation with that individual.
[01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:14.800]  And the gentleman asked me, like, when are you guys going to open your location in Lagos, Nigeria?
[01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:21.040]  And I'm like, Okay, I don't even know what it is. You know, so I'm Googling while I'm talking,
[01:38:21.040 --> 01:38:27.440]  I was like, Okay, I see it. And I asked him, I'm not sure. So we're going to look for it. We just
[01:38:27.440 --> 01:38:33.600]  opening now those big metropolitan areas, Barcelona, this and that. And I asked him,
[01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:41.120]  but I don't understand how we would make money. And then he goes, we do not trust our own family,
[01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:49.600]  sending money to put as a down payment. Imagine sending money to an agent who is somewhere there.
[01:38:50.320 --> 01:38:56.880]  And we are that it's going to be safe, because they don't have escrow sound there. They don't
[01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:04.320]  have things like we have in America, which is beauty of money security. And that was this aha
[01:39:04.400 --> 01:39:13.120]  moment when I asked him, but who is actually buying most of these places, he goes, our immigrants,
[01:39:13.120 --> 01:39:17.600]  our diaspora who are all over the world. And that was this like, you know,
[01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:25.440]  round opening a door for us how to position ourselves, and how to actually assist the buyers.
[01:39:25.440 --> 01:39:31.360]  And from that end, everything went on the other direction, which means then we start allocating
[01:39:31.360 --> 01:39:41.040]  where an American who would love to retire can move without any hesitation, or any kind of worries
[01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:48.000]  that his or hers money is going to be stolen, the transaction is going to be done, that,
[01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:54.800]  you know, that the property is going to be as they said, especially for a reason of no escrow,
[01:39:54.800 --> 01:40:00.560]  especially the reason that there is properties, they are not in the register like here,
[01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:07.440]  as much as we complain about NAR, N-A-R, or Compass doing one thing, or Zillow, or whatever,
[01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:16.160]  are the most secure real estate market in the world. Because real estate in America,
[01:40:16.160 --> 01:40:23.680]  it's commodity. In the world, it's something that people go there, they buy, and they sell.
[01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:30.960]  People here know they're going to stick here for the next 20, 30 years, they have a value,
[01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:38.160]  the prices are going to go, even if inflation is, you know, going to eat some of this appreciation,
[01:40:38.160 --> 01:40:44.240]  so to say, it's still going to be valuable at 20 years later that like your kids can inherit it,
[01:40:44.240 --> 01:40:49.680]  versus in a world where you have to have tons of components, they're going to help you out.
[01:40:50.240 --> 01:40:55.760]  So we position those components, we position those tools, and we are pretty much the most
[01:40:55.760 --> 01:41:04.560]  transparent platform and concept around that for any kind of purchases, doesn't matter if it's
[01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:12.400]  residential, commercial, hotels, casinos, islands, name it, we are there to assist.
[01:41:13.040 --> 01:41:20.400]  Well, I imagine most Americans, you know, most of us are not in the market for a casino.
[01:41:20.400 --> 01:41:25.760]  That's the Trump family, I guess, but most of us are not on the market for that. But there might
[01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:31.840]  still be reasons for us to do investment abroad. What kind of advice would you offer for people
[01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:38.960]  who are kind of middle class in America? There is a lot of incentives. Everyone loves
[01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:43.680]  Americans as much as there could be rhetoric about that. Everyone loves American money.
[01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:52.480]  You know, so there are areas that you have to feel comfortable. There are people that,
[01:41:52.480 --> 01:41:58.080]  you know, we sell properties in Mauritius, you know, that actually it's growing exponentially.
[01:41:58.080 --> 01:42:06.480]  It used to be just an island where the main source of GDP was agriculture. But now they
[01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:13.280]  change to the industry and they're making it now more to change it to like tourism,
[01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:18.960]  changing towards like, you know, opening doors to more migrants coming there, retiring over there.
[01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:25.760]  It's much more affordable lifestyle. So people ask, okay, what are pros and cons to go there?
[01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:32.240]  And once there is a wave of developments, there is many deals, you know. So the point is,
[01:42:32.240 --> 01:42:37.440]  what are you buying this thing for? Are you buying this property so you can rent it out
[01:42:37.440 --> 01:42:42.960]  and have yourself some kind of like passive income? Or are you buying this thing to move there
[01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:50.160]  and live there? And that all depends on particular buyer. You know, if people want to retire
[01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:56.800]  and they want to have like more affordable way of life because, you know, if they have any 401k,
[01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:02.720]  doesn't matter, let's call it a 401k, it's $500,000. That's a thousand dollars in America.
[01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:10.560]  It's not going to last much longer to different areas. Now what they had was something close to
[01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:15.280]  them. They were moved to Mexico. Then we maybe moved to Caribbean Island somewhere. They were
[01:43:15.280 --> 01:43:22.240]  associating. They never thought about moving to South America, moving to, you know, Indian
[01:43:22.240 --> 01:43:29.920]  Ocean area like Mauritius, Seychelles, all these areas or Europe. So we, the deals there are
[01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:37.760]  significant. And I think that especially with options for you as an individual residential
[01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:44.560]  buyer, which is not the case in America, to purchase a condo, a house and secure yourself
[01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:50.400]  a residency, which can open the door for the rest of the European countries. For example,
[01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:57.600]  it's an appealing incentive and it's something that drives people to invest more and more.
[01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:03.920]  Yeah. And of course, I hear more and more from people who have lived abroad. They just can't
[01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.240]  believe how expensive everything is here in America. So that's one of the key things is
[01:44:08.240 --> 01:44:14.480]  driving people even for retirement, you know, that they still have their social security or
[01:44:14.480 --> 01:44:19.440]  whatever, but they can actually live off of it if they go to another country. I guess you see that
[01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:25.840]  a lot. No, no, correct. And, but you know what it is, unless you dare, you know, most of the people,
[01:44:26.400 --> 01:44:34.320]  let's take, let's generalize the American society and 99% of the people who ever left this country,
[01:44:34.320 --> 01:44:39.680]  there's people who never did, whoever left this country, they, most of them, they went on a
[01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:47.120]  vacation trip two, three weeks. Very structured, very structured. Everything's a guided tour. Yeah.
[01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:52.480]  Exactly. So maybe they went first time. They say, you know what, let me test Greece one more time.
[01:44:52.480 --> 01:44:56.640]  Let me test Spain. After three, four times, you said, you know what, it's actually really
[01:44:56.640 --> 01:45:02.640]  beautiful here. So how can I live here? However, they never end up staying there longer than a
[01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:08.400]  couple of months and kind of acclimatizing themselves to the society. And me being European,
[01:45:08.400 --> 01:45:13.520]  I'm actually coming from Switzerland. I understand how easy it is to come to America and adjust
[01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:18.800]  to the American way of life. It's not a tourism. You have to stay here. You have to deal with
[01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:23.520]  problems, deal with issues, deal with like, you know, fixing yourself, like, you know,
[01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:29.680]  work permits. Like it was a concept 30 years ago that I have to endure and go that I didn't just
[01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:35.760]  come here as a tourist. So the show is on another foot for an Americans to say, okay, I'm not going
[01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:42.960]  to go there as a tourist anymore. I want to go there and stay. So how can I do that? You know,
[01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:50.720]  how much money do I need? What are my options? And in comparing to America, in order for you
[01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:56.720]  to live here, you have to be an extraordinary person to get like all one visa or, or to bring
[01:45:56.720 --> 01:46:03.200]  a business to invest into a business to get like this EB5 or E2 visa, or, you know, get married,
[01:46:03.200 --> 01:46:08.960]  green card or stuff like that. There are situations they are on a table, but they're much more
[01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:17.040]  complex. Europe offers incentives that you can buy a condo and secure yourself a residency.
[01:46:17.040 --> 01:46:22.880]  Now that investment is yours. You're not going to lose it here in America. If you spend, let's say
[01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:30.960]  $200,000 on a business, that's going to secure you a residency for a couple of years. If your
[01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:35.920]  business goes down, you lost money, you know, you lost $200,000 and you're going with nothing.
[01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:44.560]  In Europe, you can actually buy a property, get, you know, a residency and let you explore
[01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:49.280]  if that country is really for you. If Europe is really for you, worst case scenario, you're going
[01:46:49.280 --> 01:46:53.680]  to say, you know what? I've been here two, three years. I'm going to go back to America. I still
[01:46:53.680 --> 01:46:59.600]  have my European residency. And guess what? I have a property over there that I may rent, even if I'm
[01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:05.680]  not there, or I can sell it and get my money back. Those are the crucial differences between
[01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:12.240]  moving from America to Europe hypothetically and vice versa. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So this
[01:47:12.240 --> 01:47:18.480]  year, what do you see happening in real estate this year? Kind of the economy has been, there's
[01:47:18.480 --> 01:47:22.880]  a lot of clouds hanging over the economy. People are concerned about what's going to happen with
[01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:28.640]  the AI bubble and if that thing is going to bust. What do you see happening with real estate then?
[01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:38.720]  Real estate, it's finally coming to its senses. So all these people are realizing, especially the
[01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:47.200]  sellers, and those prices of like, you know, millions of dollars, my property is jumping
[01:47:47.200 --> 01:47:51.280]  left and right. I'm going to stick with it. I'm not going to sell it. It's not going to work.
[01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:57.200]  You know, you have to come down with your prices. The reason is that the interest rates, even though
[01:47:57.200 --> 01:48:04.000]  as much as they fall down, they're here to stay. This now six, six and a half. That's it. That's
[01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:11.040]  the bottom six percent. It's the new three percent. You know, it's never going to go down again. I hope
[01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:16.560]  it's never because then we end crisis each time an interest rates going to like literally under the
[01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:21.680]  anything that government can borrow. You know, it means like they need to reset the market. That's
[01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:27.840]  why they offer those interest rates in 2020s to keep the, you know, this whole country alive
[01:48:28.400 --> 01:48:34.400]  and purchase the property at three percent in 2020 at a half of the price value right now
[01:48:35.200 --> 01:48:42.320]  should be crazy to sell it. Why would you? Because even if you cash out certain, you know, gains,
[01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:48.160]  what are you going to do with that money? You're going to go back on the market and buy something
[01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:55.200]  with more like, you know, APR and with a higher price, you know, if you're going to stick to what
[01:48:55.200 --> 01:49:02.880]  you have, that's why there is more properties on the market for sale than a buyer's. But these
[01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:09.280]  properties, they were past the three or four percent interest rates. Anyone who's selling a property
[01:49:09.280 --> 01:49:15.520]  now so that, you know, it's either refinancing from a 10 percent to six or is getting rid of it
[01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:21.520]  because it was just a vision for that individual to flip it at one point of time. Since there is a
[01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:27.760]  bias market and bias dictating the tempo, you know, the properties prices are going to go down
[01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:34.400]  for sure 20 to 30 percent from whatever it is right now. And thus buyers on the other end are
[01:49:34.400 --> 01:49:41.280]  going to understand that six percent. That's it. I can never go cheaper than that. I have to figure
[01:49:41.280 --> 01:49:50.400]  out how to purchase this. The biggest problems they are coming along are not even the prices
[01:49:50.400 --> 01:49:56.080]  of the properties or interest rates. It's insurance, the insurance prices.
[01:49:58.160 --> 01:50:04.480]  Yeah, especially like in California, for example. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. Anything you touch,
[01:50:04.480 --> 01:50:10.800]  it doesn't matter if you want to injure your own puppy. You know, it's like 200 percent. I'm not
[01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:16.000]  even talking about house because the major insurance companies, especially with Pacific
[01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:21.680]  Palisades fires and all these things that happened, you know, last year, they literally exodus
[01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:26.560]  California. It's becoming a danger zone. It's becoming something that they definitely going to
[01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:34.000]  go and bankrupt. So whoever stayed raised the premiums through the roof. And if you do not pay
[01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:41.520]  attention that even on a national, you know, nationwide, you know, base, you may end up paying
[01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:48.720]  like double interest rates because it is now, you know, paying almost half of your mortgage on
[01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:53.200]  insurance. You're going to think twice if you're going to buy this house.
[01:50:53.200 --> 01:50:59.600]  Yeah. How does that compare internationally? I mean, if you go to some of these countries,
[01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:04.800]  not even in a developing area, but even in Europe, what is the insurance situation like there?
[01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:08.800]  Insurance itself, as I said, America, who, who the hell knows what's going to happen? And I'm
[01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:15.760]  sorry to use this world H E L L. But I think that once this whole economy kind of settled down,
[01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.440]  everything else is going to settle down and people are taking too much advantages. It's just one of
[01:51:19.440 --> 01:51:25.280]  those do never let the good crisis go to waste situation that the big corporations and big
[01:51:25.280 --> 01:51:30.560]  companies are. I mean, there is no reason for you to pay thousand dollars a month on your car,
[01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:36.240]  you know, insurance for that, you know, but they, they don't give you an option. So at one point,
[01:51:36.240 --> 01:51:43.840]  this all has to legalize has to come to certain terms that otherwise it won't be sustainable.
[01:51:44.480 --> 01:51:51.520]  Now, when it comes to real estate itself, as I said, it's, it's a tree that has too many rotten
[01:51:51.520 --> 01:52:01.040]  apples, too many rules and regulations. Technology is going full speed. I remember
[01:52:01.040 --> 01:52:06.960]  even back in the days I mentioned in an earlier part of the interview, like something like
[01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:15.040]  R O N remote online authorization is, was taboo in most of the States because not a Republic,
[01:52:15.040 --> 01:52:20.560]  it's an industry on its own. Yeah. So they're like guilds that they've got like a union or a
[01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:25.680]  guild or something and they protect their little territory there, right? Make it illegal.
[01:52:26.400 --> 01:52:31.680]  So that's why they were making tons of money. And let's say, I'm going to, I'm not going to
[01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:39.920]  give you the wrong, the wrong data, but let's say two years ago out of 50 States, 31 had remote
[01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:45.280]  online authorization options because of the COVID shifted this whole technology to be,
[01:52:45.360 --> 01:52:51.920]  you know, acceptable. States didn't, and that's California. So anywhere else we could have finished
[01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:56.880]  the deal that like, I'm in California and you're in New York and I can buy your property
[01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:03.360]  like literally with a camera, like, oh, this is it. And in California, no present of not Republic,
[01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:08.880]  which means you have to fly from New York to do that. So technology, I think it's taking charge
[01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:15.680]  and once certain rules and regulations come into a place and especially with
[01:53:16.240 --> 01:53:23.520]  crypto situation, I think it's going to be parabolic because all that part of this blockchain,
[01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:29.440]  all the part has been built. That's not, it's not, it's not legit. It's just not acceptable
[01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:36.720]  to the society, to the, to the regulatory systems. Once it's set in stone,
[01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:44.160]  it's going to be an open market for tech to be a dominant part. And then brokerages and agents
[01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:49.920]  are going to come there as a tool. So it's going to flip the switch here. Tech is a tool. A few
[01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:56.000]  years from now, agents and humans are going to be the tool towards technology. That's interesting.
[01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:01.120]  Yeah. We were talking about insurance and of course that comes into the, the bigger issue
[01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:06.960]  of affordability. And, you know, we have a very expensive prices here in America. Our insurance
[01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:12.080]  is very high. How does that compare to like Europe and some developing markets in terms of insurance?
[01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:17.360]  I think that the insurance in general, and I'm seeing some other countries,
[01:54:17.360 --> 01:54:19.600]  you know, it's jumped everywhere because, you know,
[01:54:22.400 --> 01:54:28.960]  be talking about economies were tanking the, you know, the whole interest rates were jumping.
[01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:35.360]  So everything kind of went with it. But here in America, it's more about
[01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:43.680]  shares for the shareholder and price per share earnings. And the more they generate, the more
[01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:52.880]  the money the stock market is going to make. It's close to the level in Europe. Why? Because America
[01:54:52.880 --> 01:55:00.720]  has its own one system rules where in Europe, even though you're part of European union,
[01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:06.400]  every single country has their own rules and regulations. So the insurance there in Switzerland
[01:55:06.400 --> 01:55:13.840]  and the rates are not the same that are in Germany or more like, let's say France or Portugal.
[01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:19.920]  They are based on the local economies here in America, even though we have states and they are
[01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:24.320]  kind of independent. But at the end of the day, certain rates, they're federalized and they're
[01:55:24.320 --> 01:55:30.400]  pushing it across the board. In Europe, it's like they have to adjust to each other. Why saying that?
[01:55:30.400 --> 01:55:36.560]  Because if one country that's part of the European Union cannot keep up with the other country
[01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:44.400]  because it's less prosperous, so they are helping the less prosperous country not to pull
[01:55:44.400 --> 01:55:51.680]  the whole European Union down. And that's why the control is more towards regional aspect versus
[01:55:53.120 --> 01:55:58.480]  global European or international aspects. That's interesting. Let's talk a bit about what you do
[01:55:58.480 --> 01:56:07.600]  with your company. And of course, I'll just spell this out for people. The name is I-M-M-O-B-I-L-I-U-M,
[01:56:07.680 --> 01:56:15.440]  immobiliam.com. And people can find that. What kind of a service do you provide to them in terms of
[01:56:16.080 --> 01:56:21.280]  taking all your expertise and experience in these different markets together? What is it that they
[01:56:21.280 --> 01:56:29.280]  find from your corporation? Sure. First of all, it's spelled immobiliam.io. I as an I-1-O because
[01:56:29.280 --> 01:56:37.760]  it's a tech company. Oh, okay. .io, not .com. Yeah. Okay. Well, we, from a tech perspective,
[01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:43.920]  we secure fastest way of purchasing property where you literally, if everything is intact,
[01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:50.320]  you can buy it like as if you were on Amazon buying shoes. So on both ends, like with one click
[01:56:50.320 --> 01:56:55.600]  purchase, that's our model. Like, you know, if you, if we have something now in Spain, let's say in
[01:56:55.600 --> 01:57:02.480]  Bitsa and there is a property there. So what we do, we already pre-vet this property. We do
[01:57:04.160 --> 01:57:09.760]  inspections. We collect documentations like from a seller. It's already done. It's like a product.
[01:57:10.320 --> 01:57:15.120]  We're putting it on a platform. So there is no reason for you now to fly to Spain
[01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:22.000]  to check this property. There is no reason for you to deal with six weeks escrow, do diligence,
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:28.320]  research. We did all that prior, putting it on a property. So the buyer comes and see, oh,
[01:57:28.320 --> 01:57:35.760]  this is ready to go. We are not wasting time. So let me conclude this transaction. And so that's
[01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:42.000]  one aspect, you know, assuring that that product as in real estate as a product, it's ready to go
[01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:50.480]  because that's the only one asset in the world that actually it's not, there is no option to buy it
[01:57:50.480 --> 01:57:57.040]  as you're buying, you know, shoes. Right. Right. It's encumbered with a lot of technicalities. Yeah.
[01:57:58.240 --> 01:58:05.520]  The reason is why, because the real estate, it's part of the local economy. It's almost a commodity.
[01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:10.960]  It's you paying taxes, you know, the government owns the land. Like there's so much there that
[01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:16.320]  you cannot just buy real estate. Oh, you have to do background check. We're doing AMA, anti-money
[01:58:16.320 --> 01:58:22.240]  laundering, KYC, knowing your customers. So even our buyers have to be known so we can make it
[01:58:22.240 --> 01:58:30.080]  much, much easier for the seller to accept that transactional purchase. And so we open these doors
[01:58:30.080 --> 01:58:35.600]  that people go around, they come to us. Okay, let's let us close this transaction to you guys
[01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:41.680]  because you have so to say troops on the ground in Spain, helping us out that we do not have to fly
[01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:47.120]  to Spain to actually check the property. Someone over there, it's going to do all this thing for
[01:58:47.120 --> 01:58:54.240]  us, all the diligence, all the, all the necessity of this transaction. And I'm still here in
[01:58:54.240 --> 01:59:01.680]  California. Now we went so far that like you don't even have to ever fly to Spain to buy these
[01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:08.480]  properties if you want. We can do all the documentations online for you, but if you will,
[01:59:08.480 --> 01:59:13.360]  that's the icing on the cake. You go there to pick up your keys so you don't have to fly
[01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:18.960]  going back and forth and waste time. Not just that. Whenever you go to Europe, whenever you
[01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:23.360]  go to any other countries, most of the time you go on vacation. You're not going to go and spend
[01:59:23.360 --> 01:59:29.200]  two, three weeks looking for properties. You go there to relax. And when you go back, you never
[01:59:29.200 --> 01:59:34.880]  went to any country as a tourist and say, Oh my God, how many days we have? Four. Let's just go
[01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:41.360]  buy something. These things don't happen. You go back and you say, I love Spain. I want to go back
[01:59:41.360 --> 01:59:46.400]  there. I want us to leave. What's the next step? And then the steps is like, Oh, let me call some
[01:59:46.400 --> 01:59:51.680]  local agents in Spain. Most of these ages, or maybe you must speak English and you just, this
[01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:58.400]  whole dream of moving abroad collapses for you. It's becoming too complicated, but we, as we do
[01:59:58.400 --> 02:00:04.720]  all the diligence prior, we assisting and helping you as the buyer have the smoothest possible
[02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:10.080]  concept available. That's very interesting. There's one other thing too, in terms of
[02:00:10.080 --> 02:00:14.080]  affordability. One of the trends that we see happening here in the United States is there's
[02:00:14.080 --> 02:00:22.720]  a lot of states and a lot of talk by politicians about eliminating property taxes. And what is the
[02:00:22.720 --> 02:00:27.760]  property tax situation that you typically see, let's say in the EU? Are they pretty high? I would
[02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:34.800]  imagine. Each country has their own rules and regulations, each country has their own taxes,
[02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:39.680]  each country has their own availability or allowance who can purchase properties.
[02:00:40.320 --> 02:00:50.080]  So there is no general rule. And to be honest with you, with that said, even the way and timelines,
[02:00:50.160 --> 02:00:58.880]  how long can it take for you to actually purchase property are not set in stone.
[02:01:01.440 --> 02:01:07.600]  The taxes in Switzerland are much more different than the taxes in Germany.
[02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:15.280]  The regulations are different. If you want to buy properties in Switzerland, even though Switzerland
[02:01:15.280 --> 02:01:21.200]  is not part of the European Union, but let's just say it has the same structure, you cannot be just
[02:01:21.200 --> 02:01:26.160]  an individual. They don't want to deflate the market. They don't want to work with
[02:01:27.440 --> 02:01:31.520]  flipping properties like you're doing in America. You buy one day, you sell it tomorrow.
[02:01:33.280 --> 02:01:43.600]  They are all protective towards their own society. And speaking of Israel,
[02:01:43.600 --> 02:01:47.920]  let's say it's becoming so difficult, like, okay, regardless of the current situation,
[02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:52.720]  but even prior that, in order for you to purchase something in Israel, and I'm, you know,
[02:01:52.720 --> 02:01:56.960]  I may be wrong exactly the concept. I don't know everything top of my head. You have to send money
[02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:04.000]  to three different parties. You have to send, you know, partial purchase goes to a seller,
[02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:12.160]  partial purchase goes to someone who is something like escrow. It's between a notary public and a
[02:02:12.160 --> 02:02:16.560]  lawyer and a partial purchase goes to the government. And then you ask yourself, why the
[02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:23.200]  government? Because the government has to collect taxes, but they don't have a fixed tax system.
[02:02:23.200 --> 02:02:27.680]  So they're going to keep that money until they figure out how much of the seller actually owns
[02:02:27.680 --> 02:02:36.480]  them money. So situations like these just push the buyer away because it's becoming too complicated.
[02:02:36.480 --> 02:02:39.920]  The good thing is that many of these countries have said offer incentives
[02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:48.480]  through these taxes. And it's helpful because it makes you think twice where you should spend
[02:02:48.480 --> 02:02:56.640]  your money or your retirement money on, you know, before you say, it's about time for me to stop
[02:02:56.640 --> 02:03:02.000]  with work. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is something that is becoming increasingly common, I think,
[02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:07.520]  for Americans to start looking abroad in terms of how they can afford to live after they retire.
[02:03:07.520 --> 02:03:12.480]  But as you point out, it's a very complicated system. And that really is interesting that
[02:03:12.480 --> 02:03:18.960]  you've stepped into that as a information resource and a kind of a Sherpa, I guess,
[02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:24.400]  if somebody is going to take a long journey. That's a very important service. Yeah.
[02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:31.280]  That's if I may just, you know, you know, cut you off. We mentioned casinos, we mentioned
[02:03:31.280 --> 02:03:37.840]  shopping centers, we mentioned stuff like that. And it's out there that it's 20 cents, 30 cents
[02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:44.080]  on a dollar. They need buyers. And now talking about something like that, it's not limited to
[02:03:44.080 --> 02:03:49.760]  just a group of people. There could be syndication of us buying something in Europe that can actually
[02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:56.880]  be our investment, not just our place to go and leave, or to potentially putting on Airbnb.
[02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:04.080]  But you sit here, you're limited what you have in front of you, what you have in your vicinity,
[02:04:04.080 --> 02:04:09.600]  you may eventually change the state, you know, because you still want to go and check it out
[02:04:09.600 --> 02:04:17.840]  back and forth. But buying a casino in Cyprus, like, you know, which is between Greece and Turkey,
[02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:24.560]  and it's amazing deal, even if you want it, it was like, you know, damn, how I going to do that,
[02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:30.480]  you know, they have deals, especially after Corona, when, you know, they destroyed the whole market,
[02:04:30.480 --> 02:04:36.960]  they were abandoned hotels, abandoned shopping centers, that they were, they would they would
[02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:42.080]  love to sell to someone, but the capital is limited in Europe. So this is where we opening a door,
[02:04:42.080 --> 02:04:47.200]  even for commercial real estate, hey, what do you need? You know, we buy it for closures,
[02:04:47.200 --> 02:04:55.600]  abandoned projects. This is where this major key is that like, a residential buyers, an average
[02:04:55.600 --> 02:05:02.480]  Joe can potentially buy because it's cheaper, I hate this word cheaper, more affordable in Europe.
[02:05:03.200 --> 02:05:08.640]  In Europe, you can buy I mean, I'm not even kidding. In Europe, you can buy a hotel in Athens,
[02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:14.960]  Greece for $4 million that already is working well and generating you return on investment.
[02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:21.760]  And stuff like that. It's so appealing. I mean, what's $4 million for, you know, people to take
[02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:26.800]  a loan couple of friends and buy a hotel. I mean, it's everyone's dream, and then even move there
[02:05:26.800 --> 02:05:32.000]  or just rent it out. But you just how am I going to do that? That's that's the biggest concept.
[02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:36.800]  Yeah, that's amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us. It really has been fascinating
[02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:45.200]  to kind of get a picture of that. And again, the company is I M M O B I L I U M and Mobilium.
[02:05:49.040 --> 02:05:56.240]  Yes, thank you so much. Sasha Poparek, thank you so much for joining us and giving us a view
[02:05:56.240 --> 02:06:00.560]  of what's happening in the rest of the world as we look at real estate and economies that
[02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:06.320]  are happening there. Thank you so much. It was nice being invited. I love your studio,
[02:06:07.360 --> 02:06:13.200]  you know, environment. It looks amazing. I'm a big fan of listening to you. And you're much
[02:06:13.200 --> 02:06:20.160]  more pleasant. So to say almost like a virtual person than like, just listening. Thank you very
[02:06:20.160 --> 02:06:24.320]  much. I appreciate that. Have a good day. Thank you. Well, certainly technology is changing
[02:06:24.320 --> 02:06:29.200]  everything is changing it at a very quick pace. And I want to get his perspective as somebody who
[02:06:29.200 --> 02:06:33.440]  knows the American market, but also knows other markets and has that perspective.
[02:06:34.080 --> 02:06:37.920]  We're going to see these institutions that have been around for a very long time. They've outgrown
[02:06:38.720 --> 02:06:43.600]  well, not outgrown, but the technology has outgrown the way that we actually buy and sell
[02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:48.240]  houses. So we're going to see a lot of change in that. But the bottom line is Clash Schwab has got
[02:06:48.240 --> 02:06:52.800]  it right. You will own nothing as long as you've got property taxes. That's one thing that we need
[02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:58.320]  to work on here in America to make sure that we actually can own property or they will take it
[02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:03.040]  from us with that. So I hope you found that interesting. Thank you for joining us. Have
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