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[01:25.800 --> 01:29.300]  You're listening to The David Knight Show.
[01:43.800 --> 01:47.800]  As the clock strikes 13, it's Thursday, the 24th of November.
[01:47.800 --> 01:52.300]  Year of our Lord, 2022, Thanksgiving Day.
[01:52.300 --> 02:05.800]  Day 987 of medical martial law with an emergency is just a couple of years ago that we had most churches shut down, afraid to open up.
[02:05.800 --> 02:15.800]  Two years ago, a year ago, we had the specter hanging over so many people of vaccine mandates.
[02:15.800 --> 02:19.800]  Many people were still struggling with the toxin that was going out.
[02:20.300 --> 02:26.300]  Today we're going to talk about the Christian principles that founded this country.
[02:26.300 --> 02:28.300]  We're going to talk about Thanksgiving.
[02:28.300 --> 02:30.300]  We're going to talk about the real history.
[02:30.300 --> 02:32.300]  Forget about Project 1619.
[02:32.300 --> 02:36.300]  We're going to talk about God's Project 1620.
[02:36.300 --> 02:38.300]  The real history.
[02:38.300 --> 02:40.300]  Stay with us. We'll be right back.
[02:49.800 --> 02:52.300]  We'll be right back.
[03:20.300 --> 03:22.300]  We'll be right back.
[03:26.300 --> 03:32.300]  Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God,
[03:32.300 --> 03:40.300]  to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor,
[03:40.800 --> 03:51.800]  whereas both Houses of Congress have by their Joint Committee requested me to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer,
[03:51.800 --> 03:57.800]  to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God,
[03:57.800 --> 04:06.800]  especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
[04:07.300 --> 04:18.300]  Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th of November next to be devoted by the people of these states to the service of that great and glorious being
[04:18.300 --> 04:25.300]  who is the beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or that will be,
[04:25.300 --> 04:36.300]  that we may then all unite in rendering under Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country,
[04:36.800 --> 04:43.800]  to their becoming a nation, for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence
[04:43.800 --> 04:48.800]  which we experienced in the course and the conclusion of the late war,
[04:48.800 --> 04:53.800]  and for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed,
[04:53.800 --> 05:01.800]  for the peaceful and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness,
[05:02.300 --> 05:11.300]  and particularly the nation one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed,
[05:11.300 --> 05:24.300]  and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge and in general for all the great and various favors which He hath been pleased to confer upon us.
[05:24.800 --> 05:32.800]  Also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and ruler of nations
[05:32.800 --> 05:36.800]  and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions,
[05:36.800 --> 05:45.800]  to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually,
[05:46.300 --> 05:55.300]  to render our national government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a government of wise, just, and constitutional laws,
[05:55.300 --> 06:00.300]  discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed,
[06:00.300 --> 06:07.300]  to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations, especially those that have shown kindness to us,
[06:07.300 --> 06:11.300]  and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord,
[06:11.800 --> 06:18.800]  to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue and the increase of science among them and us,
[06:18.800 --> 06:27.800]  and to generally grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
[06:28.800 --> 06:40.800]  Given under my hand at the City of New York, the third day of October in the year of our Lord, 1789, George Washington.
[06:41.800 --> 06:47.800]  Well, you know, when we look at this, we're talking about making America great again, don't we?
[06:47.800 --> 06:51.800]  Will God make America grateful again?
[06:51.800 --> 06:59.800]  That was our first president, very different from our last and current presidents, isn't it?
[06:59.800 --> 07:08.800]  You know, God blessed this country because people were grateful to Him for the blessing of liberty.
[07:09.300 --> 07:13.300]  Now, he talks about year of our Lord, which Lord would that be?
[07:13.300 --> 07:18.300]  The Lord that we mark time from, the Lord Jesus Christ.
[07:18.300 --> 07:23.300]  So, let's talk a little bit about Thanksgiving.
[07:23.300 --> 07:28.300]  Let's talk about God's project, the 1620 project.
[07:28.300 --> 07:38.300]  You know, we've got, we have PBS, we have the New York Times, we have academia and media,
[07:38.800 --> 07:41.800]  and we've focused on removing God.
[07:41.800 --> 07:52.800]  A good example of that is this PBS documentary to rewrite history, to take God out of the picture.
[07:52.800 --> 08:01.800]  Listen to this trailer for a very expensive and slick production produced with your taxpayer dollars.
[08:02.800 --> 08:07.800]  If you ask people, where does America start? They'll say it starts in Plymouth Rock.
[08:08.300 --> 08:11.300]  They were to the story than the story we all know.
[08:11.300 --> 08:15.300]  They were a very small group of very extreme people.
[08:15.300 --> 08:19.300]  They weren't the people that you would expect to be founding a new colony.
[08:19.300 --> 08:23.300]  There's a sense that they came to America in search of religious freedom. They didn't.
[08:23.300 --> 08:27.300]  The Pilgrims on American Experience.
[08:27.300 --> 08:34.300]  Yeah, there's a sense, there's a sense, isn't it, that they came to America for religious freedom, but they didn't.
[08:34.800 --> 08:37.800]  Oh, really? You know better, right?
[08:37.800 --> 08:42.800]  You know, the problem is that we have the diaries from the people.
[08:42.800 --> 08:46.800]  We have lots of original history.
[08:46.800 --> 08:53.800]  This is not something that we have to read tea leaves or go through archaeological digs to figure out.
[08:53.800 --> 08:55.800]  They kept diaries.
[08:55.800 --> 08:59.800]  PBS knows that you're not going to read those diaries, so they can lie to you about it.
[09:00.300 --> 09:07.300]  American Experience, quote-unquote, was done before they started the 1619 Project, I believe.
[09:07.300 --> 09:14.300]  So they tried to tell you, well, you know, we all think of America as beginning with the Pilgrims, and for good reason, Mayflower.
[09:14.300 --> 09:17.300]  But we're going to tell you that all that was wrong.
[09:17.300 --> 09:23.300]  We're going to remove God from the picture, and then with the Project 1619 of the New York Times,
[09:23.300 --> 09:28.300]  what they did was they removed the Pilgrims and Mayflower from history.
[09:28.800 --> 09:34.800]  They relocated the founding of America from people who were seeking freedom from religious persecution,
[09:34.800 --> 09:43.800]  who just sought to live a life of independence with their families away from religious persecution,
[09:43.800 --> 09:51.800]  and they changed it to Jamestown 1619, Project 1619.
[09:51.800 --> 09:53.800]  Why did they do that?
[09:53.800 --> 09:55.800]  Well, because Jamestown was a very different colony.
[09:55.800 --> 09:59.800]  Jamestown was more focused on economics.
[09:59.800 --> 10:06.800]  A lot of people who went to Jamestown, it was only after the initial first few years that they actually started bringing families.
[10:06.800 --> 10:10.800]  For the most part, there were people who were trying to make an economic start for themselves.
[10:10.800 --> 10:13.800]  Many of them came as indentured servants.
[10:13.800 --> 10:19.300]  After a few years, they replaced the European indentured servants who could work their way out.
[10:19.300 --> 10:24.300]  They replaced them with chattel slavery, African slaves.
[10:24.300 --> 10:28.300]  And so that's what they want to focus on with America.
[10:28.300 --> 10:38.300]  So 400 years later, those who seek to destroy our nation are busy destroying both its history and its Christian principles,
[10:38.300 --> 10:44.300]  and that America was shaped by Christian principles.
[10:44.300 --> 10:51.300]  Now, the leaders were not perfect, and they did not follow those principles, but that was what they aspired to.
[10:51.300 --> 10:56.300]  And look, none of us are perfect either. None of us.
[10:56.300 --> 11:01.300]  So when they go back, you go back and say, well, look, their theology was wrong here or there,
[11:01.300 --> 11:06.300]  or they didn't do this, or they didn't do that, or they kept slaves, or they did whatever.
[11:06.300 --> 11:13.300]  Yeah, they were hypocrites, just as we were all hypocrites.
[11:13.300 --> 11:24.300]  But they aspired to Christian principles, and it was those Christian principles that laid the foundation for our country legally, as well as culturally.
[11:24.300 --> 11:31.300]  So today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving, and then we're going to have some best of interviews.
[11:31.300 --> 11:34.300]  It'll finish the rest of the program today.
[11:34.300 --> 11:41.300]  But, you know, there's a lot of different lessons that we take from Thanksgiving and that have been done in the past.
[11:41.300 --> 11:46.300]  We could talk about Thanksgiving and the triumph of private property.
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[13:47.300 --> 13:54.300]  And personal responsibility over the tragedy of the commons, that's something that's been very popular with conservatives to talk about.
[13:54.300 --> 13:56.300]  And it is true.
[13:56.300 --> 14:01.300]  You know, when Pilgrims landed, they went through some very severe times.
[14:01.300 --> 14:10.300]  As Bradford and others pointed out, look, you know, we nearly starved because, first of all, they came relying on God and not really knowing much about agriculture.
[14:10.300 --> 14:13.300]  We'll talk about that in a moment.
[14:13.300 --> 14:18.300]  But they also wanted to have everything in common.
[14:18.300 --> 14:23.300]  They're Christians, so it's like, oh, yeah, we're all Christians, so let's have everything in common.
[14:23.300 --> 14:26.300]  And the problem is, is that's the tragedy of the commons.
[14:26.300 --> 14:31.300]  Nobody had the private property or the personal responsibility to make this stuff happen.
[14:31.300 --> 14:34.300]  And guess what? It didn't happen.
[14:34.300 --> 14:35.300]  And so they changed it.
[14:35.300 --> 14:37.300]  Everybody's going to have a plot of land.
[14:37.300 --> 14:38.300]  That's going to be your land.
[14:38.300 --> 14:39.300]  You're going to grow your food.
[14:39.300 --> 14:43.300]  If you've got extra food, you can help the people who didn't do a good job.
[14:43.300 --> 14:45.300]  But everybody's going to work on this.
[14:45.300 --> 14:47.300]  That was an important lesson.
[14:47.300 --> 14:50.300]  Rush Limbaugh used to talk about that on a regular basis.
[14:50.300 --> 14:53.300]  That was kind of his take on Thanksgiving.
[14:53.300 --> 14:55.300]  And that's an important lesson.
[14:55.300 --> 14:56.300]  And it's a true lesson.
[14:56.300 --> 15:05.300]  We could also talk about the peace and the harmony of different tongues and tribes to make a unified nation eventually.
[15:05.300 --> 15:08.300]  That was the narrative in the mid-20th century when I was growing up.
[15:08.300 --> 15:10.300]  It was very popular.
[15:10.300 --> 15:13.300]  America has a melting pot.
[15:13.300 --> 15:19.300]  Different cultures coming together for a common nation to build that nation.
[15:19.300 --> 15:27.300]  That was the America of the immigrants of my parents' generation and the ones before that.
[15:27.300 --> 15:33.300]  They would come to America because they wanted to join America.
[15:33.300 --> 15:37.300]  They embraced American values.
[15:37.300 --> 15:42.300]  They weren't just coming so they could have the material wealth that we have.
[15:42.300 --> 15:45.300]  But they wanted to become Americans.
[15:45.300 --> 15:50.300]  Not just come for economic reasons and head back to wherever they came from.
[15:50.300 --> 15:56.300]  Or not just to take over, but they wanted to embrace the values that they had seen in this country.
[15:56.300 --> 15:59.300]  That was a very real narrative.
[15:59.300 --> 16:05.300]  And in this story, you could see the pilgrims and the Indians coming together.
[16:05.300 --> 16:11.300]  This is the way that it was typically taught to me in the government school at that time.
[16:11.300 --> 16:15.300]  They would talk about how these two different groups would come together.
[16:15.300 --> 16:24.300]  They would build and use each other's strengths and build something that was stronger than what they had individually.
[16:24.300 --> 16:27.300]  Take the best from each other.
[16:27.300 --> 16:31.300]  But that is totally different from what we're taught today.
[16:31.300 --> 16:39.300]  Today, the communists who run our institutions are determined to enhance our differences
[16:39.300 --> 16:45.300]  and to make us hate each other for those differences instead of coming together and becoming stronger.
[16:45.300 --> 16:49.300]  Taking the best that each of us have and creating something that is new.
[16:49.300 --> 16:51.300]  That was what America was always about.
[16:51.300 --> 16:57.300]  But today, every difference is magnified and used to divide us.
[16:57.300 --> 17:02.300]  Because that's how the communists seek to destroy this country.
[17:02.300 --> 17:06.300]  So that narrative has somewhat diminished.
[17:06.300 --> 17:08.300]  And they didn't just come together.
[17:08.300 --> 17:15.300]  If you go back and look at the history, they didn't just come together for a meal and then start shooting at each other.
[17:15.300 --> 17:20.300]  They lived together peacefully for 55 years.
[17:20.300 --> 17:25.300]  From 1620 to 1675 until they had King Philip's War.
[17:25.300 --> 17:30.300]  Yes, it was not perfect because human beings are not perfect.
[17:30.300 --> 17:34.300]  There were encroachments on both sides.
[17:34.300 --> 17:40.300]  There'd be flare-ups and other crimes within their communities, of course.
[17:40.300 --> 17:44.300]  But then when it was between the two different communities, that's when things got a little bit more complicated.
[17:44.300 --> 17:47.300]  But they ironed out those differences.
[17:47.300 --> 17:52.300]  And they had peace, like I said, for 55 years.
[17:52.300 --> 17:54.300]  That's not too bad. That's a couple of generations.
[17:54.300 --> 17:57.300]  Do we do that well today?
[17:57.300 --> 18:02.300]  God never talks about different races, by the way.
[18:02.300 --> 18:04.300]  These are two tribes coming together.
[18:04.300 --> 18:09.300]  You have the tribes of the pilgrims and you had some of the Indian tribes, several different Indian tribes that were there.
[18:09.300 --> 18:13.300]  And the Indian tribes had differences amongst themselves.
[18:13.300 --> 18:20.300]  They were not a homogeneous group that was always at peace with each other either.
[18:21.300 --> 18:24.300]  And so you have different tribes.
[18:24.300 --> 18:25.300]  You have different tongues.
[18:25.300 --> 18:27.300]  And that's the way God describes us.
[18:27.300 --> 18:31.300]  God does not talk about different races in the Bible.
[18:31.300 --> 18:34.300]  He talks about nations, tongues, and tribes.
[18:34.300 --> 18:39.300]  You know, Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture.
[18:39.300 --> 18:42.300]  I don't know if he got that from the Bible.
[18:42.300 --> 18:46.300]  This is something that runs throughout the Bible.
[18:46.300 --> 18:51.300]  I don't know if he got it from that or if he just got it from observation, because it's true.
[18:51.300 --> 18:52.300]  It's true.
[18:52.300 --> 18:59.300]  And so he could have noticed that himself or he could have gotten it from the ancient writings.
[18:59.300 --> 19:01.300]  But it's true, nevertheless.
[19:01.300 --> 19:04.300]  And so God goes on further.
[19:04.300 --> 19:06.300]  I mean, we don't have different races.
[19:06.300 --> 19:11.300]  He has made all nations of one blood.
[19:11.300 --> 19:15.300]  We're all descended from Adam and later from Noah.
[19:15.300 --> 19:18.300]  So we have different political entities.
[19:18.300 --> 19:19.300]  We have different cultures.
[19:19.300 --> 19:21.300]  We have different languages.
[19:21.300 --> 19:25.300]  But we're all created in the image of God.
[19:25.300 --> 19:27.300]  We're all of one blood.
[19:27.300 --> 19:30.300]  That was how the pilgrims saw it.
[19:30.300 --> 19:37.300]  They sought to help people with the Christian religion by spreading it.
[19:37.300 --> 19:42.300]  But we could look at that aspect of the peace and harmony of different tongues
[19:42.300 --> 19:46.300]  and tribes coming together to form a nation.
[19:46.300 --> 19:50.300]  It was going to be greater than the sum of the two parts.
[19:50.300 --> 19:56.300]  We could also look at it at the historical significance of the Mayflower Compact,
[19:56.300 --> 20:01.300]  or as it's more accurately described, the Mayflower Combination.
[20:01.300 --> 20:05.300]  This is the document that they put together themselves when they realized
[20:05.300 --> 20:08.300]  that they were out of the legal jurisdiction of where they were headed.
[20:08.300 --> 20:11.300]  And they didn't have anything to govern themselves.
[20:11.300 --> 20:15.300]  But it really wasn't so much a political document.
[20:15.300 --> 20:20.300]  It was a groundbreaking moment, a groundbreaking document,
[20:20.300 --> 20:26.300]  because it was the first time that people had come together voluntarily
[20:26.300 --> 20:33.300]  to create something that would eventually become the instruments of governance.
[20:33.300 --> 20:37.300]  It is there as the foundation that was later built upon
[20:37.300 --> 20:41.300]  with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and many other things.
[20:41.300 --> 20:44.300]  Here's what they wrote when they realized
[20:44.300 --> 20:47.300]  they were in a place that they had not intended to go
[20:47.300 --> 20:52.300]  and that there was no contract, no legal definition of how they would operate.
[20:52.300 --> 20:54.300]  This is what they said.
[20:54.300 --> 20:57.300]  So just keep in mind what the American experience, what PBS was telling you,
[20:57.300 --> 20:59.300]  they didn't do this because of religion.
[20:59.300 --> 21:01.300]  Oh, really?
[21:01.300 --> 21:07.300]  Did they even bother to read the Mayflower Combination or the Compact, if you will?
[21:07.300 --> 21:10.300]  In the name of God, amen.
[21:10.300 --> 21:12.300]  That's how they began it.
[21:12.300 --> 21:15.300]  We whose names are underwritten,
[21:15.300 --> 21:18.300]  the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord King James
[21:18.300 --> 21:21.300]  by the grace of God of Great Britain, France, and Ireland,
[21:21.300 --> 21:25.300]  King, defender of the faith, etc.,
[21:25.300 --> 21:28.300]  having undertaken for the glory of God
[21:28.300 --> 21:31.300]  and the advancement of the Christian faith
[21:31.300 --> 21:34.300]  and the honor of our king and country,
[21:34.300 --> 21:37.300]  a voyage to plant the first colony
[21:37.300 --> 21:40.300]  in the northern parts of Virginia,
[21:40.300 --> 21:43.300]  due by these presents solemnly and mutually
[21:43.300 --> 21:46.300]  in the presence of God and one another,
[21:46.300 --> 21:49.300]  covenant and combine ourselves together
[21:49.300 --> 21:52.300]  into a civil body politic
[21:52.300 --> 21:55.300]  for our better ordering and preservation
[21:55.300 --> 21:58.300]  and furtherance of the ends aforesaid.
[21:58.300 --> 22:01.300]  And by virtue hereof,
[22:01.300 --> 22:04.300]  do enact, constitute, and frame
[22:04.300 --> 22:07.300]  such just and equal laws, ordinances,
[22:07.300 --> 22:10.300]  acts, constitutions,
[22:10.300 --> 22:13.300]  and officers from time to time,
[22:13.300 --> 22:16.300]  as shall be thought most meet and convenient
[22:16.300 --> 22:19.300]  for the general good of the colony,
[22:19.300 --> 22:22.300]  unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
[22:22.300 --> 22:25.300]  And witness whereof,
[22:25.300 --> 22:28.300]  we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod
[22:28.300 --> 22:31.300]  the 11th of November in the reign of our sovereign
[22:31.300 --> 22:34.300]  Lord King James of England, France, and Ireland,
[22:34.300 --> 22:37.300]  the 18th and of Scotland,
[22:37.300 --> 22:40.300]  the 54th.
[22:40.300 --> 22:43.300]  Anno Domini, that means year of our Lord,
[22:43.300 --> 22:46.300]  1620.
[22:46.300 --> 22:49.300]  So the Mayflower Compact is America's
[22:49.300 --> 22:52.300]  symbol. PBS wants you to believe
[22:52.300 --> 22:55.300]  that had nothing to do with God. You didn't hear
[22:55.300 --> 22:58.300]  anything about God in there, did you?
[22:58.300 --> 23:01.300]  Evidently, PBS didn't. They have a much shorter
[23:01.300 --> 23:04.300]  document that they redacted God from,
[23:04.300 --> 23:07.300]  evidently, as well as from all the diaries
[23:07.300 --> 23:10.300]  and recorded history of the time.
[23:10.300 --> 23:13.300]  As Wilmore Kendall and George Kerry said
[23:13.300 --> 23:16.300]  in their book, Basic Symbols,
[23:16.300 --> 23:19.300]  which both the Declaration of Independence and the
[23:19.300 --> 23:22.300]  Constitution is built upon.
[23:22.300 --> 23:25.300]  It did not have a formal title as the
[23:25.300 --> 23:28.300]  Declaration of Independence.
[23:28.300 --> 23:31.300]  It was referred to by the people who live there
[23:31.300 --> 23:34.300]  and their descendants as not by the compact,
[23:34.300 --> 23:37.300]  but by the combination.
[23:37.300 --> 23:40.300]  I mean, when I was saying that, we do hereby
[23:40.300 --> 23:43.300]  covenant and combine ourselves.
[23:43.300 --> 23:46.300]  And so they called it the combination.
[23:46.300 --> 23:49.300]  And that's how it was
[23:49.300 --> 23:52.300]  referred to by that community and the people
[23:52.300 --> 23:55.300]  who lived there up until the 1790s. And then
[23:55.300 --> 23:58.300]  it was... Hey, it's Ben Ferguson,
[23:58.300 --> 24:01.300]  and I want you to pause what you're doing for just one
[24:01.300 --> 24:04.300]  minute, and I want you to hear about love,
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[25:35.300 --> 25:38.300]  Referred to as the Mayflower Compact.
[25:38.300 --> 25:41.300]  Many people who look at that believe that it was
[25:41.300 --> 25:44.300]  that was more of a reflection of a more
[25:44.300 --> 25:47.300]  secularized view of this.
[25:47.300 --> 25:50.300]  They could have called it the Covenant, but I think they, you know,
[25:50.300 --> 25:53.300]  out of respect, they would look at, you know,
[25:53.300 --> 25:56.300]  a covenant as being something that was more religious, so they called it
[25:56.300 --> 25:59.300]  the combination. But bottom line
[25:59.300 --> 26:02.300]  is that this is more than just about semantics.
[26:02.300 --> 26:05.300]  The combination
[26:05.300 --> 26:08.300]  was really about creating a society,
[26:08.300 --> 26:11.300]  even more so than a form of government.
[26:11.300 --> 26:14.300]  The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution,
[26:14.300 --> 26:17.300]  would add more political theories
[26:17.300 --> 26:20.300]  and ideas and political structures
[26:20.300 --> 26:23.300]  at a later time, but that was really what it was built upon.
[26:25.300 --> 26:28.300]  There was an interesting
[26:28.300 --> 26:31.300]  comment on all this by a history professor
[26:31.300 --> 26:34.300]  from Hillsdale College, Bradley
[26:34.300 --> 26:37.300]  Berzer. He's a Roman Catholic,
[26:37.300 --> 26:40.300]  and he points out, he says, this could never have been composed
[26:40.300 --> 26:43.300]  by anyone but the most Protestant
[26:43.300 --> 26:46.300]  of Protestants. Indeed, even as
[26:46.300 --> 26:49.300]  a practicing Roman Catholic, I have a hard time
[26:49.300 --> 26:52.300]  imagining the same scene being played out by French,
[26:52.300 --> 26:55.300]  Spanish, or Portuguese settlers.
[26:55.300 --> 26:58.300]  So this is one of the great fruits
[26:58.300 --> 27:01.300]  of Protestantism, and it's probably one
[27:01.300 --> 27:04.300]  that we Catholics should take to heart, especially
[27:04.300 --> 27:07.300]  as we continue to struggle over issues of religious freedom and freedom
[27:07.300 --> 27:10.300]  of conscience in our rather fallen world
[27:10.300 --> 27:13.300]  of the 21st century.
[27:13.300 --> 27:16.300]  He goes on, he says, importantly, the authors
[27:16.300 --> 27:19.300]  of the combination never assert
[27:19.300 --> 27:22.300]  the existence of a, quote, state of nature.
[27:22.300 --> 27:25.300]  You know, Lockean, Hobbesian ideas
[27:25.300 --> 27:28.300]  that came later, by the way.
[27:28.300 --> 27:31.300]  Instead, they recognize that they are beholden
[27:31.300 --> 27:34.300]  to scripture, to tradition,
[27:34.300 --> 27:37.300]  to a hierarchical authority,
[27:37.300 --> 27:40.300]  and to the English common law. And yet,
[27:40.300 --> 27:43.300]  they were not prepared either to destroy
[27:43.300 --> 27:46.300]  these ties, nor to leave them
[27:46.300 --> 27:49.300]  out completely. Instead, they looked
[27:49.300 --> 27:52.300]  out upon what they considered to be a virgin land,
[27:52.300 --> 27:55.300]  a promised land of sorts.
[27:55.300 --> 27:58.300]  Here, they could take the best of the past,
[27:58.300 --> 28:01.300]  but they could implement it as they so desired.
[28:01.300 --> 28:04.300]  Wouldn't it be good
[28:04.300 --> 28:07.300]  if we were to do the same thing today?
[28:07.300 --> 28:10.300]  All around the world, we have statues being destroyed,
[28:10.300 --> 28:13.300]  monuments being destroyed, the foundations
[28:13.300 --> 28:16.300]  of our society are being destroyed by Marxists
[28:16.300 --> 28:19.300]  who look for any imperfection
[28:19.300 --> 28:22.300]  or hypocrisy in the lives of the people
[28:22.300 --> 28:25.300]  who laid down the foundations
[28:25.300 --> 28:28.300]  of our society, in order to destroy our society.
[28:28.300 --> 28:31.300]  The wise path
[28:31.300 --> 28:34.300]  is to always take the good aspects
[28:34.300 --> 28:37.300]  of what went before us.
[28:37.300 --> 28:40.300]  Eat the chicken and leave the bone, if you will.
[28:40.300 --> 28:43.300]  You know, you can take a look at Martin Luther King, for example,
[28:43.300 --> 28:46.300]  and you could focus on his plagiarism,
[28:46.300 --> 28:49.300]  you could focus on his infidelities,
[28:49.300 --> 28:52.300]  you could focus on what many people have pointed out,
[28:52.300 --> 28:55.300]  or some socialist tendencies of himself.
[28:55.300 --> 28:58.300]  Or, you could take a look at his speeches,
[28:58.300 --> 29:01.300]  his inspirational speeches, where he said we should judge people
[29:01.300 --> 29:04.300]  by the content of their character,
[29:04.300 --> 29:07.300]  rather than the color of their skin.
[29:07.300 --> 29:10.300]  Wouldn't that be nice if we were to do that today?
[29:10.300 --> 29:13.300]  That is antithetical
[29:13.300 --> 29:16.300]  to what the left wants to do today.
[29:16.300 --> 29:19.300]  So we take the best from people.
[29:19.300 --> 29:22.300]  We try to ignore the imperfections
[29:22.300 --> 29:25.300]  that are always there, whether you're talking about Martin Luther King
[29:25.300 --> 29:28.300]  or Thomas Jefferson.
[29:28.300 --> 29:31.300]  We try to ignore those perfections and take the wisdom
[29:31.300 --> 29:34.300]  from their life, learn the lessons from their life.
[29:34.300 --> 29:37.300]  That's what we ought to do, but we don't do that.
[29:37.300 --> 29:40.300]  So, he goes on to say
[29:40.300 --> 29:43.300]  he was at Hillsdale College.
[29:43.300 --> 29:46.300]  He always likes to do a lecture
[29:46.300 --> 29:49.300]  on the Mayflower combination.
[29:49.300 --> 29:52.300]  He says, as I prepared the lecture,
[29:52.300 --> 29:55.300]  I racked my brain, trying to remember an example
[29:55.300 --> 29:58.300]  of another earlier assertion of self-government.
[29:58.300 --> 30:01.300]  Had the Greeks done it? Or the Jews?
[30:01.300 --> 30:04.300]  No, they had already relied upon a law-giver.
[30:04.300 --> 30:07.300]  The Romans asserted something in 509 BC,
[30:07.300 --> 30:10.300]  but I'm not sure that it had quite the same texture
[30:10.300 --> 30:13.300]  as what the Pilgrims did in 1620.
[30:13.300 --> 30:16.300]  I really couldn't come up with a significant example
[30:16.300 --> 30:19.300]  for all intents and purposes.
[30:19.300 --> 30:22.300]  The Plymouth combination is the first real assertion
[30:22.300 --> 30:25.300]  of the right of self-governance
[30:25.300 --> 30:28.300]  in the modern Western world
[30:28.300 --> 30:31.300]  and one of the most important
[30:31.300 --> 30:34.300]  in any time or place.
[30:34.300 --> 30:37.300]  As Kendall and Kerry wisely claim
[30:37.300 --> 30:40.300]  the 1620 document...
[30:40.300 --> 30:43.300]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson, and I want you to pause
[30:43.300 --> 30:46.300]  what you're doing for just one minute, and I want you to hear
[30:46.300 --> 30:49.300]  about Alejandra. She lives in a remote community
[30:49.300 --> 30:52.300]  with very few resources and little to no health care.
[30:52.300 --> 30:55.300]  So, when Alejandra gets sick,
[30:55.300 --> 30:58.300]  her parents have no real options,
[30:59.300 --> 31:02.300]  and no money for real medical care.
[31:02.300 --> 31:05.300]  By the third day, her body was shutting down.
[31:05.300 --> 31:08.300]  She woke up just long enough to tell her mom,
[31:08.300 --> 31:11.300]  I can't take the pain anymore.
[31:11.300 --> 31:14.300]  I can't keep going. Her parents
[31:14.300 --> 31:17.300]  drove hours to find a doctor who tried everything,
[31:17.300 --> 31:20.300]  but she needed a private hospital,
[31:20.300 --> 31:23.300]  and that was impossible for her family to afford.
[31:23.300 --> 31:26.300]  And that is when Compassion International
[31:26.300 --> 31:29.300]  stepped in.
[31:29.300 --> 31:32.300]  Now, through Compassion, Alejandra was treated,
[31:32.300 --> 31:35.300]  and against all odds, she survived.
[31:35.300 --> 31:38.300]  She lived because someone just like you took action.
[31:38.300 --> 31:41.300]  Right now, unfortunately, there are children
[31:41.300 --> 31:44.300]  just like Alejandra who won't survive
[31:44.300 --> 31:47.300]  unless someone like you steps in.
[31:47.300 --> 31:50.300]  Compassion International partners with local churches
[31:50.300 --> 31:53.300]  providing children with the support that they need.
[31:53.300 --> 31:56.300]  Medical care, plus food, education,
[31:56.300 --> 31:59.300]  and the hope of the Gospel.
[31:59.300 --> 32:02.300]  All in Jesus' name.
[32:02.300 --> 32:05.300]  So, help a child just like Alejandra today.
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[32:08.300 --> 32:11.300]  That's Compassion.com.
[32:23.300 --> 32:40.300]  Did not need
[32:40.300 --> 32:44.300]  to assert any rights overtly as rights.
[32:44.300 --> 32:47.300]  Instead, the very short paragraph,
[32:47.300 --> 32:50.300]  the document as a whole,
[32:50.300 --> 32:53.300]  is an assertion of the right.
[32:53.300 --> 32:56.300]  It is a basic symbol indeed.
[32:56.300 --> 32:59.300]  That's the name of the book, Basic Symbols.
[32:59.300 --> 33:02.300]  So, it drew on the religious roots of America
[33:02.300 --> 33:05.300]  that can be seen in the Pilgrims
[33:05.300 --> 33:08.300]  and the Mayflower combination.
[33:08.300 --> 33:11.300]  Did the Constitution. You know, the Constitution begins,
[33:11.300 --> 33:14.300]  we, the people, and then it goes into
[33:14.300 --> 33:17.300]  the purpose of the Constitution.
[33:17.300 --> 33:20.300]  Well, the key ones is to secure
[33:20.300 --> 33:23.300]  the blessings of liberty
[33:23.300 --> 33:26.300]  for ourselves and our prosperity.
[33:26.300 --> 33:29.300]  You know, atheists don't talk about blessings.
[33:29.300 --> 33:32.300]  You won't see PBS talking about blessings.
[33:32.300 --> 33:35.300]  Not at all.
[33:35.300 --> 33:38.300]  A blessing is something that is given.
[33:38.300 --> 33:41.300]  Who gives it?
[33:41.300 --> 33:44.300]  We have an inscription on the Liberty Bell.
[33:44.300 --> 33:47.300]  This inscription on the Liberty Bell
[33:47.300 --> 33:50.300]  is inscribed with Leviticus 25.10.
[33:50.300 --> 33:53.300]  And it reads,
[33:53.300 --> 33:56.300]  Proclaim liberty throughout the land
[33:56.300 --> 33:59.300]  to all inhabitants thereof.
[33:59.300 --> 34:02.300]  Now, the context there,
[34:02.300 --> 34:05.300]  what was being talked about in Leviticus 25,
[34:05.300 --> 34:08.300]  the context was about the year of Jubilee,
[34:08.300 --> 34:11.300]  every 50th year.
[34:11.300 --> 34:14.300]  It was the year of Jubilee,
[34:14.300 --> 34:17.300]  and that was, that inscription
[34:17.300 --> 34:20.300]  was put on the Liberty Bell.
[34:20.300 --> 34:23.300]  Founders of America from 1620
[34:23.300 --> 34:26.300]  to the creation of the Constitution
[34:26.300 --> 34:29.300]  saw liberty as a blessing,
[34:29.300 --> 34:32.300]  as a gift from God.
[34:32.300 --> 34:35.300]  They made it clear over and over again.
[34:35.300 --> 34:38.300]  And the second half of that,
[34:38.300 --> 34:41.300]  to ourselves and to our posterity.
[34:41.300 --> 34:44.300]  So, when we look at the pilgrims,
[34:44.300 --> 34:47.300]  when we look at the founders of this nation,
[34:47.300 --> 34:50.300]  they were very different in their perspective
[34:50.300 --> 34:53.300]  than our society is today.
[34:53.300 --> 34:56.300]  They were focused on their children.
[34:56.300 --> 34:59.300]  Their hearts were turned to their children.
[34:59.300 --> 35:02.300]  And in the Bible, we always see that
[35:02.300 --> 35:05.300]  in the Bible.
[35:05.300 --> 35:08.300]  And in the Bible, we always see that
[35:08.300 --> 35:11.300]  as an indication of God's movement in a people.
[35:11.300 --> 35:14.300]  God moves them
[35:14.300 --> 35:17.300]  to blessing
[35:17.300 --> 35:20.300]  by turning their hearts toward their children.
[35:20.300 --> 35:23.300]  That makes a big difference
[35:23.300 --> 35:26.300]  in the way that you behave, the way that you think,
[35:26.300 --> 35:29.300]  the way that you build a life.
[35:29.300 --> 35:32.300]  Instead, in our society,
[35:32.300 --> 35:35.300]  in a time of decadence and degradation,
[35:35.300 --> 35:38.300]  people of our society become
[35:38.300 --> 35:41.300]  lovers of self.
[35:41.300 --> 35:44.300]  So, that's the kind of society
[35:44.300 --> 35:47.300]  that the Bible always points at
[35:47.300 --> 35:50.300]  as a society that is
[35:50.300 --> 35:53.300]  setting itself up for judgment
[35:53.300 --> 35:56.300]  instead of for blessing.
[35:56.300 --> 35:59.300]  If and when God changes,
[35:59.300 --> 36:02.300]  turns them towards our children,
[36:02.300 --> 36:05.300]  then He'll be preparing us to bless us.
[36:05.300 --> 36:08.300]  We can see that in the pilgrims
[36:08.300 --> 36:11.300]  and in the founders of this country.
[36:11.300 --> 36:14.300]  But today I want to talk about something else
[36:14.300 --> 36:17.300]  that is rarely talked about, even in conservative circles.
[36:17.300 --> 36:20.300]  People talk about the legal issues and the precedents
[36:20.300 --> 36:23.300]  and the historical importance of the Mayflower compact
[36:23.300 --> 36:26.300]  or the combination.
[36:26.300 --> 36:29.300]  The peace and community.
[36:29.300 --> 36:32.300]  They don't do that too much anymore
[36:32.300 --> 36:35.300]  between the Indians and the pilgrims.
[36:35.300 --> 36:38.300]  They'll talk about the economic aspects.
[36:38.300 --> 36:41.300]  That's really where conservatives focus today.
[36:41.300 --> 36:44.300]  Because we're all about the money, right?
[36:44.300 --> 36:47.300]  Hey, it's the economy, stupid.
[36:47.300 --> 36:50.300]  Everything is about the money.
[36:50.300 --> 36:53.300]  But I want to talk a little bit about God's providence
[36:53.300 --> 36:56.300]  because I think that's the real lesson.
[36:56.300 --> 36:59.300]  That is far more important
[36:59.300 --> 37:02.300]  than the triumph of private property
[37:02.300 --> 37:05.300]  and personal responsibility over the tragedy of the commons.
[37:05.300 --> 37:08.300]  It's far more important than groups of people
[37:08.300 --> 37:11.300]  cooperating and coming together peacefully.
[37:11.300 --> 37:14.300]  It's far more important than any legal document
[37:14.300 --> 37:17.300]  no matter how much of a precedent it sets.
[37:17.300 --> 37:20.300]  And that's God's providence and care.
[37:21.300 --> 37:24.300]  So that was what was foremost
[37:24.300 --> 37:27.300]  in the minds of the pilgrims as well.
[37:27.300 --> 37:30.300]  And if you were to talk to them
[37:30.300 --> 37:33.300]  or if you read their writing,
[37:33.300 --> 37:36.300]  that's one way to talk to them, if you will.
[37:36.300 --> 37:39.300]  Listen to them. If you listen to them,
[37:39.300 --> 37:42.300]  you'll see that they're not bragging about what they did.
[37:42.300 --> 37:45.300]  They give the glory to God. They honor God.
[37:45.300 --> 37:48.300]  They would say that and did say it
[37:48.300 --> 37:51.300]  over and over again.
[37:51.300 --> 37:54.300]  Today, in many ways, we are like them.
[37:54.300 --> 37:57.300]  We are pilgrims and strangers
[37:57.300 --> 38:00.300]  on this earth.
[38:00.300 --> 38:03.300]  That is a Christian idea.
[38:03.300 --> 38:06.300]  In our journey, we also need to acknowledge
[38:06.300 --> 38:09.300]  how we need God. We also need to look to Him
[38:09.300 --> 38:12.300]  to provision and for providence
[38:12.300 --> 38:15.300]  as they did. And we need to honor Him
[38:16.300 --> 38:19.300]  So when I look at this,
[38:19.300 --> 38:22.300]  a lot of people in America,
[38:22.300 --> 38:25.300]  we've had so many immigrants lately.
[38:25.300 --> 38:28.300]  A lot of people say they're hyphenated
[38:28.300 --> 38:31.300]  Americans or whatever. I've said in the past
[38:31.300 --> 38:34.300]  when I first met Karen, she was from New York.
[38:34.300 --> 38:37.300]  She was the second generation of people
[38:37.300 --> 38:40.300]  who had come, some of them from Poland,
[38:40.300 --> 38:43.300]  some of them from Italy.
[38:43.300 --> 38:46.300]  I'm just an American. I don't know
[38:46.300 --> 38:49.300]  where they came from. I never did go back
[38:49.300 --> 38:52.300]  and look. I don't know if I have any
[38:52.300 --> 38:55.300]  physical connection to the
[38:55.300 --> 38:58.300]  people who were there at the Mayflower
[38:58.300 --> 39:01.300]  or if it was to somebody who came later.
[39:01.300 --> 39:04.300]  Quite frankly, it doesn't matter. A lot of people
[39:04.300 --> 39:07.300]  would get very precious about all that.
[39:07.300 --> 39:10.300]  Oh, I'm descended from so-and-so, right?
[39:10.300 --> 39:13.300]  Or a person who was a passenger on the Mayflower.
[39:13.300 --> 39:16.300]  What difference does that make, especially 400 years later?
[39:16.300 --> 39:19.300]  Any kind of physical
[39:19.300 --> 39:22.300]  genetic connection that we have to these people
[39:22.300 --> 39:25.300]  has been so diluted.
[39:25.300 --> 39:28.300]  If we go back in our family trees and our genealogy
[39:28.300 --> 39:31.300]  and find a connection to it, it's been so diluted
[39:31.300 --> 39:34.300]  it doesn't make any sense anymore. It's not worth talking about.
[39:34.300 --> 39:37.300]  But there are other ways
[39:37.300 --> 39:40.300]  that we could see ourselves as connected to them.
[39:40.300 --> 39:43.300]  And I feel a stronger kinship to them
[39:43.300 --> 39:46.300]  from a spiritual standpoint.
[39:46.300 --> 39:49.300]  Forget about the
[39:49.300 --> 39:52.300]  physical standpoint.
[39:52.300 --> 39:55.300]  Any of us, by the way, regardless
[39:55.300 --> 39:58.300]  of the nation, tongue, or tribe, even if you're in
[39:58.300 --> 40:01.300]  another country, you could feel
[40:01.300 --> 40:04.300]  a kind of kinship with them
[40:04.300 --> 40:07.300]  if you see yourself as a pilgrim
[40:07.300 --> 40:10.300]  and a stranger in this land who is dependent
[40:10.300 --> 40:13.300]  on the providence of God.
[40:13.300 --> 40:16.300]  So I want to just briefly
[40:16.300 --> 40:19.300]  go over, you know, what is providence?
[40:19.300 --> 40:22.300]  How did the hand of providence guide and protect the pilgrims?
[40:22.300 --> 40:25.300]  What are the lessons for those of us who live today?
[40:25.300 --> 40:28.300]  Especially for Americans who seek
[40:28.300 --> 40:31.300]  comfort and ease above
[40:31.300 --> 40:34.300]  everything else. And then how do we
[40:34.300 --> 40:37.300]  pass this on to our kids? That's why I've got this thing up here.
[40:37.300 --> 40:40.300]  I want to talk a little bit about what we used to do with our kids.
[40:40.300 --> 40:43.300]  So what is providence? Well, the dictionary
[40:43.300 --> 40:46.300]  will define it as care
[40:46.300 --> 40:49.300]  or preparation in advance,
[40:49.300 --> 40:52.300]  foresight, or divine direction.
[40:52.300 --> 40:55.300]  And I think all of these things are seen in the story of the pilgrims.
[40:55.300 --> 40:58.300]  We can see the care, the preparation in advance
[40:58.300 --> 41:01.300]  by God. We can see his foresight
[41:01.300 --> 41:04.300]  and his divine direction.
[41:04.300 --> 41:07.300]  I have a different definition of providence.
[41:07.300 --> 41:10.300]  I kind of think of it as a chain
[41:10.300 --> 41:13.300]  of stealth miracles.
[41:13.300 --> 41:16.300]  Things that you wouldn't recognize as a miracle. They seem pretty ordinary.
[41:16.300 --> 41:19.300]  If you looked at any one of them, you'd say, well, you know,
[41:19.300 --> 41:22.300]  or even just a couple of them together, you'd say, well, it's just a coincidence
[41:22.300 --> 41:25.300]  that these things happen. Well, that's really nice, but it just happened.
[41:25.300 --> 41:28.300]  Happenstance.
[41:28.300 --> 41:31.300]  No, you know, sometimes God will answer a prayer miraculously.
[41:31.300 --> 41:34.300]  Sometimes he'll heal people miraculously.
[41:34.300 --> 41:37.300]  I have two volumes of books
[41:37.300 --> 41:40.300]  about verified eyewitness
[41:40.300 --> 41:43.300]  stories about
[41:43.300 --> 41:46.300]  miraculous healings.
[41:46.300 --> 41:49.300]  Many of them just, you know, based on prayer.
[41:49.300 --> 41:52.300]  You know, some of them radio stations,
[41:52.300 --> 41:55.300]  one calls in and they're
[41:55.300 --> 41:58.300]  in serious condition. They put out a prayer
[41:58.300 --> 42:01.300]  and there's an amazing healing
[42:01.300 --> 42:04.300]  that happens after that. So God will sometimes
[42:04.300 --> 42:07.300]  do that. He still does that. He's still in the miracle business.
[42:07.300 --> 42:10.300]  I would
[42:10.300 --> 42:13.300]  always recommend that you read
[42:13.300 --> 42:16.300]  diaries of people who have been able
[42:16.300 --> 42:19.300]  to experience that type of
[42:19.300 --> 42:22.300]  provision and miraculous work. But a lot of times
[42:22.300 --> 42:25.300]  it's just a series of little things
[42:25.300 --> 42:28.300]  that happen. You know, George Mueller is a good example
[42:28.300 --> 42:31.300]  of somebody who had
[42:31.300 --> 42:34.300]  was used by God. Sometimes, you know, he would be out
[42:34.300 --> 42:37.300]  of money completely. He had orphans that he had
[42:37.300 --> 42:40.300]  stepped up to take care of. And he was
[42:40.300 --> 42:42.300]  absolutely penniless.
[42:42.300 --> 42:45.300]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson and I want you to pause
[42:45.300 --> 42:48.300]  what you're doing for just one minute and I want you to hear
[42:48.300 --> 42:51.300]  about Alejandra. She lives in a remote
[42:51.300 --> 42:54.300]  community with very few resources and little to
[42:54.300 --> 42:57.300]  no health care. So when Alejandra gets
[42:57.300 --> 43:00.300]  sick, her parents have no real options,
[43:00.300 --> 43:03.300]  no doctors in their community, and no money
[43:03.300 --> 43:06.300]  for real medical care. By the third
[43:06.300 --> 43:09.300]  day, her body was shutting down. She woke up
[43:09.300 --> 43:12.300]  and just long enough to tell her mom,
[43:12.300 --> 43:15.300]  I can't take the pain anymore. I can't
[43:15.300 --> 43:18.300]  take it, but I can't talk right now.
[43:18.300 --> 43:19.840]  Because the짝e
[43:21.300 --> 43:23.300]  And that is when
[43:23.300 --> 43:25.300]  compassion
[43:26.300 --> 43:29.300]  Steps in. Now, through compassion,
[43:29.300 --> 43:32.300]  Alejandra was treated and against all
[43:32.300 --> 43:35.300]  odds, she survived. She lived because
[43:35.300 --> 43:38.300]  someone, just like you, took action.
[43:38.300 --> 43:41.300]  Right now, unfortunately, there are children
[43:41.300 --> 43:44.300]  just like Alejandra who won't survive
[43:44.300 --> 43:48.060]  who won't survive unless someone like you steps in.
[43:48.060 --> 43:51.820]  Compassion International partners with local churches,
[43:51.820 --> 43:54.820]  providing children with the support that they need.
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[44:01.060 --> 44:02.940]  All in Jesus' name.
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[44:42.620 --> 44:47.260]  Orphans were a very big problem in Victorian England
[44:47.260 --> 44:49.420]  that Charles Dickens would write about all the time.
[44:49.420 --> 44:52.380]  He took them in to feed them, to give them an education,
[44:52.380 --> 44:54.140]  to give them a moral foundation.
[44:54.140 --> 44:56.700]  He took the responsibility for them.
[44:56.700 --> 45:01.100]  But he gave the responsibility for taking care of them to God.
[45:01.100 --> 45:03.300]  And so one day, just one example,
[45:03.300 --> 45:06.460]  but one of the most interesting examples, I think.
[45:06.460 --> 45:07.740]  But he had several of these.
[45:07.780 --> 45:10.540]  I won't say just this one one, but they
[45:10.540 --> 45:12.020]  had absolutely no money.
[45:12.020 --> 45:14.180]  Had a couple dozen orphans at the time.
[45:14.180 --> 45:17.860]  It got to be a very, very large enterprise eventually.
[45:17.860 --> 45:20.940]  And he never became rich.
[45:20.940 --> 45:25.860]  But he prayed because they had no food.
[45:25.860 --> 45:27.620]  And pretty soon there was a knock at the door,
[45:27.620 --> 45:35.100]  and there was a guy who just came with some bread.
[45:35.100 --> 45:37.580]  He had some extra bread, and it was left over.
[45:37.580 --> 45:39.220]  So he just brought it to the door.
[45:39.220 --> 45:40.220]  So they had bread.
[45:40.220 --> 45:42.380]  Shortly after that, he gets another knock on the door,
[45:42.380 --> 45:43.900]  and there's a guy with a milk truck,
[45:43.900 --> 45:47.700]  and it broke down in front of their house.
[45:47.700 --> 45:50.940]  And so they all had milk provided for them
[45:50.940 --> 45:51.780]  that day as well.
[45:51.780 --> 45:52.980]  Now you could look at that.
[45:52.980 --> 45:56.340]  You could say, well, it's just a coincidence.
[45:56.340 --> 45:59.140]  Or you could say it's providential or miraculous.
[45:59.140 --> 46:02.500]  But I think when we look at a lot of ordinary things
[46:02.500 --> 46:05.580]  that happen, sometimes we can go back and we can say,
[46:05.580 --> 46:07.380]  well, what's the chance of that happening?
[46:07.380 --> 46:10.340]  What's the chance of this guy breaking down
[46:10.340 --> 46:13.260]  in front of his house with a lot of milk that's going to spoil,
[46:13.260 --> 46:15.100]  and he just gives it to them because he can't do anything
[46:15.100 --> 46:15.580]  with it?
[46:15.580 --> 46:18.180]  Or same thing with the guy with the bread.
[46:18.180 --> 46:23.180]  Well, either one of those things could have happened,
[46:23.180 --> 46:26.460]  and yet for both of them to happen,
[46:26.460 --> 46:29.980]  and for both of them to happen after he had prayed for food
[46:29.980 --> 46:35.660]  and for bread and milk, that is a little bit different.
[46:35.660 --> 46:37.080]  So you want to call that a miracle?
[46:37.080 --> 46:39.080]  You want to call it providence.
[46:39.080 --> 46:42.640]  So without going into detail of the story of both the Pilgrims
[46:42.640 --> 46:45.640]  and of Squanto, these are a couple of different stories
[46:45.640 --> 46:48.720]  that intertwine with each other.
[46:48.720 --> 46:50.840]  That's one of the things that I find interesting
[46:50.840 --> 46:55.960]  about the story of Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims.
[46:55.960 --> 46:59.760]  They both went through tremendous hardship,
[46:59.760 --> 47:05.960]  and God interwove their stories together to combine them.
[47:05.960 --> 47:08.240]  Are we talking about the Mayflower combination?
[47:08.240 --> 47:09.680]  This is the combination.
[47:09.680 --> 47:11.840]  The combination that God does, how
[47:11.840 --> 47:15.880]  he changes things in their life, shapes them
[47:15.880 --> 47:19.480]  by the difficult things in their life,
[47:19.480 --> 47:21.440]  and then brings them together to build something
[47:21.440 --> 47:24.040]  that's even bigger.
[47:24.040 --> 47:27.740]  It really embodies all of those previous things
[47:27.740 --> 47:33.120]  that I talked about in a much more important way.
[47:33.120 --> 47:36.240]  The financial aspects of it, the combination aspects of it,
[47:36.240 --> 47:40.680]  the building of a common thing with disparate people,
[47:40.680 --> 47:43.880]  different backgrounds, different nations, tongues, and tribes.
[47:43.880 --> 47:48.000]  So when the Pilgrims came, they had
[47:48.000 --> 47:52.760]  gone through a very difficult time of religious persecution.
[47:52.760 --> 47:53.680]  They'd been jailed.
[47:53.680 --> 47:55.280]  They'd lost property.
[47:55.280 --> 47:56.040]  They had to flee.
[47:56.040 --> 47:57.880]  They fled to Holland.
[47:57.880 --> 48:00.800]  There in Holland, they were left alone.
[48:00.800 --> 48:03.440]  It was a very rich and secular country,
[48:03.440 --> 48:09.560]  very much like America today in that regard.
[48:09.560 --> 48:11.840]  So they didn't bother with them.
[48:11.840 --> 48:15.200]  Frankly, they didn't care too much about it.
[48:15.200 --> 48:17.120]  And so the Pilgrims stayed there for a while,
[48:17.120 --> 48:18.800]  but then they started to realize that there
[48:18.800 --> 48:22.720]  was something that was very seductive
[48:22.720 --> 48:26.600]  in this secular materialism there.
[48:26.600 --> 48:30.720]  There was also an immorality that was hanging around.
[48:30.720 --> 48:32.000]  They felt that they would lose their kids.
[48:32.000 --> 48:34.320]  So they decided that it would be better for them
[48:34.320 --> 48:38.400]  if they were to start a new life, a parallel society,
[48:38.400 --> 48:41.600]  if you will, and to do it in America.
[48:41.600 --> 48:43.840]  We don't have the option of immigration today,
[48:43.840 --> 48:49.200]  but we do have the option of being Pilgrims and setting up
[48:49.200 --> 48:51.480]  a parallel society.
[48:51.480 --> 48:56.040]  The Puritans had tried to purify their society by staying there.
[48:56.040 --> 48:57.440]  The Pilgrims said, that's OK.
[48:57.440 --> 49:00.320]  We're going to go do our own thing.
[49:00.320 --> 49:02.640]  There are elements of both of those things that we should
[49:02.640 --> 49:07.080]  and could do today, but I think the Pilgrim side of it
[49:07.080 --> 49:08.720]  is going to be the most important,
[49:08.720 --> 49:10.880]  the parallel society.
[49:10.880 --> 49:12.680]  And so as I said, they'd suffered
[49:12.680 --> 49:13.960]  a great deal of persecution.
[49:13.960 --> 49:16.640]  And then as their journey began, there was even more persecution.
[49:16.640 --> 49:18.040]  There's even more difficulty.
[49:18.040 --> 49:24.640]  They had three ships worth of people and their possessions.
[49:24.640 --> 49:25.960]  One of them was not seaworthy.
[49:25.960 --> 49:27.120]  They had to turn back.
[49:27.120 --> 49:30.920]  They had to pack everybody in those two remaining ships.
[49:30.920 --> 49:34.800]  We have been to Plymouth, and we've
[49:34.800 --> 49:38.720]  seen the historical community that's there.
[49:38.720 --> 49:40.360]  We've gotten onto the ship.
[49:40.360 --> 49:43.360]  It was unbelievable that they would have over 100 people there.
[49:43.360 --> 49:45.040]  It's like, I don't know what they did.
[49:45.040 --> 49:46.280]  Was it like standing room only?
[49:46.280 --> 49:47.640]  Did they stand the entire time?
[49:47.640 --> 49:50.560]  It was horrific, the conditions that they were under.
[49:50.560 --> 49:54.400]  Very long journey by sail.
[49:54.400 --> 49:56.680]  And of course, they had storms.
[49:56.720 --> 49:57.400]  They had damage.
[49:57.400 --> 49:58.760]  The main mast was broken.
[49:58.760 --> 50:02.840]  They nearly lost or lost at sea.
[50:02.840 --> 50:05.480]  But they were able to get this together
[50:05.480 --> 50:07.640]  with God's help and providence and provision.
[50:07.640 --> 50:09.240]  And they were able to make the journey.
[50:09.240 --> 50:12.040]  But then instead of being able to go to northern Virginia,
[50:12.040 --> 50:19.720]  they were pushed ashore by more storms into the Massachusetts
[50:19.720 --> 50:23.880]  area, what would become the Massachusetts area.
[50:23.880 --> 50:25.800]  And so they knew they were in the wrong place.
[50:25.800 --> 50:27.200]  They tried to get out several times.
[50:27.200 --> 50:30.440]  They kept getting pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.
[50:30.440 --> 50:33.760]  So finally, it's like, oh, this is where we're supposed to be.
[50:33.760 --> 50:35.640]  We can't get anywhere else.
[50:35.640 --> 50:38.800]  That's why they put together the Mayflower combination.
[50:38.800 --> 50:41.080]  And then when they landed, they were
[50:41.080 --> 50:46.920]  met by an Indian who spoke perfect English.
[50:46.920 --> 50:48.920]  What a strange thing.
[50:48.920 --> 50:50.600]  They're absolutely amazed by that.
[50:50.600 --> 50:53.240]  And of course, the area where they landed,
[50:53.240 --> 50:56.400]  another interesting coincidence, isn't it?
[50:56.400 --> 51:01.160]  The area where they landed was uninhabited.
[51:01.160 --> 51:05.120]  The village had been wiped out with disease.
[51:05.120 --> 51:08.200]  And the Indian who spoke English was Squanto.
[51:08.200 --> 51:10.400]  His journey had also been difficult.
[51:10.400 --> 51:15.240]  He had been captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers
[51:15.240 --> 51:18.680]  or tradesmen or whatever they were,
[51:18.680 --> 51:20.800]  and taken back as a slave to Spain.
[51:20.800 --> 51:25.000]  Eventually, he was given to, he was
[51:25.000 --> 51:28.080]  taught agriculture and some other things by a Spanish monk.
[51:28.080 --> 51:30.920]  And then eventually, he gets to England.
[51:30.920 --> 51:33.280]  He learns English.
[51:33.280 --> 51:38.800]  And he is put in a position of responsibility.
[51:38.800 --> 51:42.200]  He accompanies an English expedition to the area.
[51:42.200 --> 51:47.040]  They liked him enough that they gave him his freedom.
[51:47.040 --> 51:50.720]  But the heartbreak that he had was when he went back home,
[51:50.720 --> 51:51.560]  nobody survived.
[51:51.560 --> 51:53.200]  They'd all been wiped out by disease.
[51:53.200 --> 51:55.600]  And so he's there by himself.
[51:55.600 --> 51:58.280]  But he's learned English.
[51:58.280 --> 52:02.000]  And he's been taught agricultural techniques
[52:02.000 --> 52:04.920]  that the Pilgrims did not know.
[52:04.920 --> 52:09.000]  They were really more focused on why they wanted to go.
[52:09.000 --> 52:11.080]  And for religious liberty than they
[52:11.080 --> 52:12.560]  were in the practical aspects of it,
[52:12.560 --> 52:16.000]  they were ill-equipped to survive.
[52:16.000 --> 52:19.160]  But God used the hardship of both of these,
[52:19.200 --> 52:22.880]  both the Pilgrims and of Squanto,
[52:22.880 --> 52:25.200]  so they could help each other.
[52:25.200 --> 52:32.000]  And this is really the lesson of Providence.
[52:32.000 --> 52:34.200]  If you look at the words of the hymn,
[52:34.200 --> 52:37.080]  God Moves in Mysterious Ways.
[52:37.080 --> 52:40.880]  Think about how this is so similar to what
[52:40.880 --> 52:43.520]  the Pilgrims went through, and Squanto.
[52:43.520 --> 52:46.960]  God moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.
[52:47.000 --> 52:52.000]  He plants his footsteps in the sea and rides upon the storm.
[52:52.000 --> 52:56.280]  Deep in unfathomable minds of never failing skill,
[52:56.280 --> 52:58.120]  he treasures up his bright designs
[52:58.120 --> 53:01.320]  and works his sovereign will.
[53:01.320 --> 53:04.760]  Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take.
[53:04.760 --> 53:09.800]  The clouds, you so much dread, are big with mercy
[53:09.800 --> 53:12.920]  and shall break in blessings on your head.
[53:12.920 --> 53:14.840]  Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
[53:14.840 --> 53:17.000]  but trust him for his grace.
[53:17.000 --> 53:23.040]  Behind a frowning Providence, he hides a smiling face.
[53:23.040 --> 53:27.200]  His purposes will ripen fast, unfolding every hour.
[53:27.200 --> 53:31.120]  The bud may have a bitter taste, but sweet will be the flower.
[53:31.120 --> 53:38.040]  Blind unbelief is sure to err and scan his work in vain.
[53:38.040 --> 53:43.760]  God is his own interpreter, and he will make it plain.
[53:43.760 --> 53:49.120]  So how do we teach this important lesson?
[53:49.120 --> 53:50.640]  Over the years, I'll just give you
[53:50.640 --> 53:51.800]  some of our personal experience.
[53:51.800 --> 53:53.300]  I have people who ask you, what's
[53:53.300 --> 53:54.720]  some of the curriculum that you use?
[53:54.720 --> 53:58.160]  And I need to get some of that together.
[53:58.160 --> 54:00.320]  But there's always new things that are being put out
[54:00.320 --> 54:03.120]  and things that we used.
[54:03.120 --> 54:06.840]  20, 25 years ago, they're not available anymore.
[54:06.840 --> 54:10.960]  Focus on the Family still has a great audio book
[54:10.960 --> 54:14.800]  dramatization of the story of Squanto.
[54:14.800 --> 54:17.220]  That's one that we listen to many times with our children.
[54:17.220 --> 54:19.960]  But it's a story that you would enjoy as an adult
[54:19.960 --> 54:20.960]  if you haven't heard it.
[54:20.960 --> 54:22.280]  It's a great production.
[54:22.280 --> 54:23.600]  I would highly recommend that.
[54:23.600 --> 54:26.880]  And I'm sure that is still available.
[54:26.880 --> 54:29.240]  We also used, and that's why I have this up here,
[54:29.240 --> 54:31.240]  we used this box.
[54:31.240 --> 54:36.120]  This is called Thanks Living Treasury.
[54:36.120 --> 54:40.360]  And I looked online, and I don't think
[54:40.400 --> 54:41.640]  this is sold anymore.
[54:41.640 --> 54:43.080]  But that doesn't mean that you can't
[54:43.080 --> 54:46.160]  do something similar to it.
[54:46.160 --> 54:50.560]  It was, let me get out the book here.
[54:50.560 --> 54:51.760]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson.
[54:51.760 --> 54:53.440]  And I want you to pause what you're
[54:53.440 --> 54:55.040]  doing for just one minute.
[54:55.040 --> 54:58.360]  And I want you to hear about love, generosity,
[54:58.360 --> 54:59.280]  and compassion.
[54:59.280 --> 55:01.160]  We say those words all the time.
[55:01.160 --> 55:02.440]  And they sound good.
[55:02.440 --> 55:03.520]  They feel good.
[55:03.520 --> 55:05.000]  But here's the truth.
[55:05.000 --> 55:09.360]  Those words don't mean anything unless they turn into action.
[55:09.400 --> 55:12.800]  And right now, not later today, not tomorrow,
[55:12.800 --> 55:17.160]  there's a child in the world who doesn't know if they'll eat,
[55:17.160 --> 55:19.280]  if they'll have a chance to learn,
[55:19.280 --> 55:21.760]  or if there's any hope at all.
[55:21.760 --> 55:25.760]  And while we're all busy, life keeps moving forward.
[55:25.760 --> 55:27.520]  But that child is waiting.
[55:27.520 --> 55:29.560]  This is where you come in.
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[56:34.760 --> 56:36.560]  Crusade for Christ.
[56:36.560 --> 56:41.320]  And it is set up over a week.
[56:41.320 --> 56:43.720]  So it's almost like a little Advent type of thing.
[56:43.720 --> 56:46.640]  Every day, you'd set the kids down,
[56:46.640 --> 56:49.840]  and you would go over one aspect of the story.
[56:49.840 --> 56:51.720]  And we did this when our kids were very young.
[56:51.720 --> 56:54.040]  And so it has some little props that were part of it.
[56:54.040 --> 56:56.240]  You could make that yourself.
[56:56.240 --> 56:56.960]  Here's a ship.
[56:56.960 --> 56:58.720]  We would hand these things out, because you know
[56:58.720 --> 57:01.960]  when the kids were very young, especially with boys,
[57:01.960 --> 57:03.560]  they like to have something physical
[57:03.560 --> 57:05.640]  they can kind of look at and hold.
[57:05.640 --> 57:08.280]  And it's a nice 3D thing here.
[57:08.280 --> 57:12.280]  But you could give them any kind of thing like that
[57:12.280 --> 57:13.240]  to represent the ship.
[57:13.240 --> 57:15.480]  It doesn't have to be this particular thing.
[57:15.480 --> 57:18.240]  And so that would help to focus their attention.
[57:18.240 --> 57:19.960]  You would have the day that you're
[57:19.960 --> 57:21.640]  talking about the journey, you've
[57:21.640 --> 57:24.080]  got a ship here in the sea, you've
[57:24.080 --> 57:26.320]  got situations where you're talking about starvation,
[57:26.320 --> 57:28.520]  how Squanto helped them, you've got a thing of corn.
[57:28.520 --> 57:30.880]  So stuff like that was very useful.
[57:30.920 --> 57:33.920]  That would help you to focus with kids.
[57:33.920 --> 57:36.320]  And as I said, every day there was another lesson.
[57:36.320 --> 57:37.760]  I kept them short, because they've
[57:37.760 --> 57:39.840]  got a short attention span.
[57:39.840 --> 57:41.960]  And they're not going to sit through a three hour
[57:41.960 --> 57:45.520]  broadcast of The David Knight Show at that age.
[57:45.520 --> 57:47.600]  So different things like that.
[57:47.600 --> 57:50.640]  And one of the things that I really enjoy that we still have,
[57:50.640 --> 57:53.240]  oh, there were also cards.
[57:53.240 --> 57:56.080]  Again, you can find these pictures online.
[57:56.080 --> 57:59.440]  But there would be classic drawings of scenes
[57:59.440 --> 58:03.800]  from the pilgrims, the journey here by sea,
[58:03.800 --> 58:05.440]  and all that type of thing.
[58:05.440 --> 58:06.640]  So there are things like that.
[58:06.640 --> 58:10.600]  And then there were some, every year
[58:10.600 --> 58:15.560]  at the end of each one of these sections,
[58:15.560 --> 58:20.080]  you would have the kids, if they were very young,
[58:20.080 --> 58:23.240]  too young to write anything down,
[58:23.240 --> 58:25.120]  you would say, what are you grateful for?
[58:25.120 --> 58:28.440]  And it'd give you different categories in terms of,
[58:28.440 --> 58:30.960]  what are you grateful for in terms of protection?
[58:30.960 --> 58:34.240]  Or what are you grateful for in terms of freedom,
[58:34.240 --> 58:38.080]  or your health, or your salvation?
[58:38.080 --> 58:40.320]  And so you would put these things down.
[58:40.320 --> 58:41.120]  We would do it.
[58:41.120 --> 58:42.120]  The kids would do it.
[58:42.120 --> 58:44.160]  We'd date it, put our names on there.
[58:44.160 --> 58:45.800]  And it's interesting now, years later,
[58:45.800 --> 58:50.000]  to go back and look to see what was happening in our lives
[58:50.000 --> 58:52.440]  and how our kids perceive that.
[58:52.440 --> 58:55.280]  That's the importance of diaries.
[58:55.280 --> 58:57.320]  I talked about the diary of George Mueller.
[58:57.320 --> 58:58.880]  He's got a very detailed diary that
[58:58.880 --> 59:02.520]  went over a very long life and a lot of experiences.
[59:02.520 --> 59:05.080]  But if you really want to be able to see God working,
[59:05.080 --> 59:09.960]  again, because Providence is kind of stealthy,
[59:09.960 --> 59:12.160]  you really do need to keep a diary.
[59:12.160 --> 59:14.320]  Talk about the challenges that you're going through.
[59:14.320 --> 59:16.680]  Talk about the things you prayed to God for.
[59:16.680 --> 59:20.680]  Talk about how those prayers were answered,
[59:20.680 --> 59:22.800]  because God is still in that business.
[59:22.800 --> 59:25.680]  And so all of those things are things
[59:25.680 --> 59:27.480]  that I would recommend to you.
[59:27.480 --> 59:30.680]  But of course, for adults, the records are there.
[59:30.680 --> 59:34.960]  You don't need to rely on PBS or the New York Times.
[59:34.960 --> 59:37.760]  For history, please don't.
[59:37.760 --> 59:38.680]  They've got an agenda.
[59:38.680 --> 59:41.240]  They're not interested in real history.
[59:41.240 --> 59:43.280]  But the primary sources are always
[59:43.280 --> 59:48.480]  better for any kind of education, historical education.
[59:48.480 --> 59:52.040]  So you'll find online of Plymouth Plantation.
[59:52.040 --> 59:53.720]  You'll find the log of the Mayflower.
[59:53.720 --> 59:56.000]  You'll find a lot of stuff like that.
[59:56.000 --> 59:58.960]  Many other documents are available online.
[59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.400]  But again, think of it when you look
[01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.600]  at the diary of the Pilgrims.
[01:00:02.600 --> 01:00:04.200]  And how do we know what happened in their life?
[01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:05.840]  How do we know how God moved in their life?
[01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.840]  Well, it's because they kept a diary.
[01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:09.500]  You'll want to do that for your own life.
[01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:12.640]  You'll want to do that for your own benefit,
[01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:15.480]  and perhaps for the benefit of children
[01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.340]  to come in the future to be able to see
[01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:21.040]  how God worked in your life as he worked
[01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:24.880]  in the life of George Mueller or the Pilgrims.
[01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:31.280]  So I'm going to play for you now what Benjamin Franklin said
[01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.960]  as they were working to put together a Constitution.
[01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:39.040]  And he was telling the Constitutional Convention.
[01:00:39.040 --> 01:00:41.160]  He said, we need to ask for God's providence.
[01:00:41.160 --> 01:00:45.040]  God was with us through this last war.
[01:00:45.040 --> 01:00:48.600]  And we need his protection, his guidance
[01:00:48.600 --> 01:00:50.560]  in terms of putting together this Constitution
[01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:51.480]  that we're going to do.
[01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:58.000]  And after that, we are going to have some interviews coming up.
[01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.720]  I just want to wish you a blessed Thanksgiving.
[01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:05.680]  I hope you enjoy the time with family and friends.
[01:01:05.680 --> 01:01:09.320]  I want to thank Daniel, a local friend, who
[01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:14.400]  gave us a fresh turkey, killed it and plucked it.
[01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.240]  And that's what we're going to be working on today.
[01:01:17.240 --> 01:01:20.400]  First time we've done a fresh not frozen turkey.
[01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.240]  So I really do appreciate that.
[01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:24.240]  It's great to have friends.
[01:01:24.240 --> 01:01:29.720]  And he's kind of our squanto, I just have to say.
[01:01:29.720 --> 01:01:33.000]  So have a blessed Thanksgiving.
[01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:36.000]  And this is prerecorded, so I won't
[01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.680]  be able to interact with any tips or questions.
[01:01:38.680 --> 01:01:41.400]  But again, we're going to have some interviews coming up
[01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.200]  right after this.
[01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:44.160]  Here's Benjamin Franklin and what
[01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:46.440]  he told the Constitutional Convention.
[01:01:46.680 --> 01:01:56.640]  It's time us to bide, us all, of your joy.
[01:01:56.640 --> 01:02:02.760]  For day we may take, day we may take.
[01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:05.640]  Mr. President, the small progress
[01:02:05.640 --> 01:02:10.080]  that we've made after four or five weeks close attendance
[01:02:10.080 --> 01:02:12.280]  and continual reasonings with each other
[01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.800]  are different sentiments on almost every question.
[01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.600]  Several of the last producing as many noses as eyes
[01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:23.160]  is, methinks, a melancholy proof of the imperfection
[01:02:23.160 --> 01:02:25.360]  of the human understanding.
[01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:30.000]  We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom
[01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.600]  since we've been running about in search of it.
[01:02:32.600 --> 01:02:36.000]  We've gone back to ancient history for models of government
[01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.920]  and examined the different forms of those republics which
[01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:42.120]  have been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution
[01:02:42.120 --> 01:02:44.160]  and now no longer exist.
[01:02:44.160 --> 01:02:46.600]  We have viewed modern states all around Europe
[01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:48.840]  but find none of their constitutions
[01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.480]  suitable to our circumstances.
[01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.560]  In this situation of this assembly,
[01:02:53.560 --> 01:02:56.880]  groping as it were in the dark to find political truth
[01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.360]  and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us,
[01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.680]  how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once
[01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:08.680]  thought of humbly applying to the father of lights
[01:03:08.680 --> 01:03:11.520]  to illuminate our understandings?
[01:03:11.520 --> 01:03:14.200]  In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain,
[01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:16.720]  when we were sensible of danger, we
[01:03:16.720 --> 01:03:21.040]  had daily prayer in this room for divine protection.
[01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:26.720]  Our prayers, sir, were heard and they were graciously answered.
[01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:28.840]  All of us who were engaged in the struggle
[01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.280]  must have observed frequent instances
[01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.640]  of a superintending providence in our favor.
[01:03:34.640 --> 01:03:37.800]  To that kind providence, we owe this happy opportunity
[01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.520]  of consulting in peace on the means of establishing
[01:03:41.520 --> 01:03:44.560]  our future national felicity.
[01:03:44.560 --> 01:03:47.680]  Have we now forgotten that powerful friend?
[01:03:47.680 --> 01:03:53.160]  Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance?
[01:03:53.160 --> 01:03:56.600]  I have lived, sir, a long time.
[01:03:56.600 --> 01:03:59.760]  And the longer I live, the more convincing proofs
[01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:06.320]  I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men.
[01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.960]  And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice,
[01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.520]  is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?
[01:04:14.520 --> 01:04:17.640]  We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings
[01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:22.240]  that except the Lord build, they labor in vain that build it.
[01:04:22.240 --> 01:04:23.920]  I firmly believe this.
[01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.280]  And I also believe that without his concurring aid,
[01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.360]  we shall succeed in this political building
[01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.520]  no better than the builders of Babel.
[01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:36.120]  We shall be divided by our little partial local interests,
[01:04:36.120 --> 01:04:38.760]  our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves
[01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.920]  shall become a reproach and a byword down to the future age.
[01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.680]  And what is worse?
[01:04:45.680 --> 01:04:49.520]  Mankind may hear after from this unfortunate instance
[01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:53.080]  despair of establishing governments by human wisdom
[01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:58.400]  and leave it to chance, war, and to conquest.
[01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.520]  I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers
[01:05:02.520 --> 01:05:05.720]  imploring the assistance of heaven and its blessings
[01:05:05.720 --> 01:05:08.640]  on our deliberation be held in this assembly every morning
[01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:11.280]  before we proceed to business, and that one
[01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:13.520]  or more of the clergy of this city
[01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:17.840]  be requested to officiate in that service.
[01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:22.640]  Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June 28, 1787,
[01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:24.560]  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
[01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:38.960]  ["POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE"]
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[01:06:49.040 --> 01:06:53.440]  And now, The David Night Show.
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[01:08:53.120 --> 01:08:55.320]  Joining us now is Joe Bannister.
[01:08:55.320 --> 01:08:57.000]  I've interviewed Joe several times,
[01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.760]  had the pleasure to do it.
[01:08:58.760 --> 01:08:59.880]  A man of integrity.
[01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:03.680]  He's a former criminal investigator for the IRS.
[01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.120]  And now he is an agent for Truth.
[01:09:06.120 --> 01:09:09.600]  That's the name of his website, as well as a podcast
[01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:10.120]  that he has.
[01:09:10.120 --> 01:09:12.360]  Thank you for joining us, Joe.
[01:09:12.360 --> 01:09:13.080]  Thank you, David.
[01:09:13.080 --> 01:09:15.000]  It's great to see you again and talk with you
[01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  and hook up with Travis.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.040]  And I'm going to go ahead and start with Joe Bannister.
[01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:22.600]  I'm going to start with you and hook up with Travis again
[01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.840]  to see his smiling face.
[01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:25.920]  Great to have you there.
[01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.840]  Tell people a little bit about where they can find you,
[01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:29.760]  first of all.
[01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:31.320]  Where can they find Agent for Truth?
[01:09:31.320 --> 01:09:35.720]  And tell us a little bit about the podcast that's going on.
[01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.840]  The website is agentfortruth.com.
[01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:41.640]  I started out 23 years ago with a website called
[01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:44.200]  freedomabovefortune.com, because I
[01:09:44.200 --> 01:09:48.240]  had to decide what was more important,
[01:09:48.280 --> 01:09:50.920]  so-called fortune at the IRS with a secure pension
[01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.840]  and paycheck, or freedom for myself, my family,
[01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.680]  and for our country.
[01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:01.040]  But I thought Agent for Truth was a good little moniker
[01:10:01.040 --> 01:10:04.320]  there, since I was a special agent with the IRS
[01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:08.480]  and wanted to be the best agent for truth that I could be.
[01:10:08.480 --> 01:10:11.680]  So agentfortruth.com is the website.
[01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.800]  I actually wrote a book, if you don't mind me doing
[01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:17.560]  a shameless plug, called Investigating
[01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.120]  the Federal Income Tax Report to the American People.
[01:10:21.120 --> 01:10:24.840]  And that's because in 1999, when I resigned,
[01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.280]  I wrote a preliminary report.
[01:10:27.280 --> 01:10:31.000]  So of course, now that 23 years have passed,
[01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.760]  there was a lot more news, including
[01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.800]  criminally prosecuting me, stripping me
[01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:38.520]  my CPA certificate, all kinds of fun and games
[01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:44.160]  that the IRS can lash out at.
[01:10:44.160 --> 01:10:47.000]  So yeah, I have a podcast.
[01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:51.680]  It's actually just through Zoom, kind of a wonkish thing.
[01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.600]  We have attorneys and paralegals,
[01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.480]  and we speak for years, it was about the income tax,
[01:10:56.480 --> 01:10:58.280]  of course, and taxation.
[01:10:58.280 --> 01:10:59.720]  But over the last couple of years,
[01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.160]  it's been all about COVID, because all the lockdowns
[01:11:04.160 --> 01:11:09.720]  and the tyranny seem to make the IRS maybe not
[01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.760]  pale in comparison, but certainly set it off
[01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:16.240]  to the side, because it's like the powers that be
[01:11:16.240 --> 01:11:19.720]  were fine through the monetary system and the taxation
[01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.000]  system, harvesting us like silkworms.
[01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:26.000]  And then all of a sudden, it changed to, we need to kill them.
[01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.760]  Yes, exactly.
[01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:29.920]  Yeah, now we're for dinner.
[01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:31.720]  They want us to eat silkworms until we die,
[01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:33.360]  and they keep us in prison.
[01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:34.920]  I agree with you, absolutely.
[01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.120]  And I've said many times, Joe, that I
[01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:42.640]  think the IRS kind of set a lot of precedents
[01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.120]  of having a bureaucracy that was a law unto itself.
[01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:52.600]  And Rand Paul and others have, in years past,
[01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:56.160]  would put out the Reigns Act to rein in the bureaucracy,
[01:11:56.160 --> 01:11:59.360]  because we now have taxation without representation.
[01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:01.600]  We have regulation without representation.
[01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.360]  Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, we've
[01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:05.400]  got to pass it so we can find out what's in it.
[01:12:05.400 --> 01:12:09.040]  They get these funding, and they create a bureaucracy,
[01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:11.440]  and then they let them create the rules.
[01:12:11.440 --> 01:12:13.920]  And then after they create their rules,
[01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.720]  you don't have any presumption of innocence,
[01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.840]  you don't have due process, and they have no prohibition
[01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.480]  against excessive fines, because they say, well, these are rules.
[01:12:21.480 --> 01:12:22.360]  These aren't laws.
[01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:25.360]  You only have these types of legal protections
[01:12:25.360 --> 01:12:27.400]  if it's a law enacted by Congress.
[01:12:27.400 --> 01:12:29.240]  So we won't have Congress do any laws.
[01:12:29.240 --> 01:12:31.320]  We'll have the bureaucracy create the rules.
[01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:34.880]  And so I think the IRS really took the lead in all of that.
[01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:37.800]  But now it's been weaponized by, especially
[01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:40.920]  in this medical martial law that we've had,
[01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.440]  that same tactic now has been extended
[01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:46.120]  to all different aspects of our life, hasn't it?
[01:12:46.120 --> 01:12:46.640]  Yes.
[01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:51.480]  And in fact, I was, as I can talk about, of course,
[01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:53.360]  as being criminally prosecuted.
[01:12:53.360 --> 01:12:56.640]  So they actually went through the process of indictment,
[01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.160]  prosecuted me, and I was deservedly acquitted.
[01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:01.080]  We could talk about that in a second.
[01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:03.400]  But in terms of the administrative state,
[01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:06.960]  the way that I was stripped of my CPA certificate
[01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:10.640]  that I earned from the state of California back in 1991
[01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.040]  was through this administrative state.
[01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:16.160]  I basically had an administrative law
[01:13:16.160 --> 01:13:20.360]  judge from the Environmental Protection Agency
[01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:24.600]  to decide my fate in terms of a disbarment from being
[01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.440]  able to help clients before the IRS.
[01:13:28.440 --> 01:13:31.120]  How did they get the EPA involved in that?
[01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:34.760]  You know, I guess he was the only one available.
[01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.320]  But I think I had a connection with the Department
[01:13:38.320 --> 01:13:43.320]  Homeland Security because it wasn't a trial.
[01:13:43.320 --> 01:13:45.160]  It was more like a hearing was supposed
[01:13:45.160 --> 01:13:49.320]  to occur on Coast Guard Island in San Francisco Bay.
[01:13:49.320 --> 01:13:51.360]  And that's a military installation
[01:13:51.360 --> 01:13:55.160]  where you can only come and go as they allow you.
[01:13:55.160 --> 01:13:57.000]  No witnesses.
[01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.200]  I called it the Shanghai on CGI for Coast Guard Island.
[01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:04.720]  So just to point out that that administrative state can really
[01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:05.680]  grind you up.
[01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.680]  And you go through all these appeals.
[01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.360]  But it's really not due process, not in the true sense.
[01:14:13.360 --> 01:14:13.880]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:14.120]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:14.120 --> 01:14:15.280]  They really wiped that out.
[01:14:15.280 --> 01:14:16.960]  As we saw during the COVID stuff,
[01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.840]  you had the CDC claiming that they
[01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:23.360]  had control over foreclosures and evictions and things
[01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:24.880]  like that.
[01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:29.160]  It's just amazing to see how they just passed the power
[01:14:29.160 --> 01:14:30.840]  around amongst themselves.
[01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.440]  And it really is taxation without representation,
[01:14:33.440 --> 01:14:35.200]  regulation without representation,
[01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:38.320]  and of course trials really without any representation
[01:14:38.320 --> 01:14:40.640]  or legal due process.
[01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.360]  That's what's really dangerous about this.
[01:14:42.360 --> 01:14:45.240]  Tell people a little bit about your process
[01:14:45.240 --> 01:14:46.920]  and a little bit about your background
[01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:48.880]  because it's been a while since you've been on.
[01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.800]  And we've got a lot of new listeners
[01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:57.000]  who don't know how you went from being a criminal investigation
[01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:01.560]  agent for the IRS into somebody that they targeted.
[01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:02.560]  Thank you.
[01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.000]  Well, so with all the way here, it's
[01:15:05.200 --> 01:15:09.440]  been quite a while, but after graduating from college
[01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:12.280]  and recognizing that the accounting profession was
[01:15:12.280 --> 01:15:14.360]  quite boring, it took me a while to figure that out.
[01:15:14.360 --> 01:15:16.320]  I don't know why.
[01:15:16.320 --> 01:15:18.320]  But I also had lots of friends and relatives
[01:15:18.320 --> 01:15:20.000]  in law enforcement.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:24.880]  And so I thought, well, how can I match this accounting degree
[01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.840]  and experience with law enforcement?
[01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.800]  And so, of course, an investigative role came about.
[01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:34.200]  So I applied to the FBI and the IRS Criminal Investigation
[01:15:34.200 --> 01:15:35.080]  Division.
[01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:37.760]  And the FBI actually had a hiring freeze.
[01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.080]  I qualified to be sent to Quantico, Virginia.
[01:15:41.080 --> 01:15:44.840]  But due to a hiring freeze, I was basically
[01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.320]  in this holding pattern.
[01:15:46.320 --> 01:15:48.120]  Then the IRS called.
[01:15:48.120 --> 01:15:52.880]  And granted, the FBI has gotten a worse and worse reputation
[01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:54.320]  as the decades roll along.
[01:15:54.320 --> 01:16:00.120]  But back then in the 90s, at least to carve away a Ruby Ridge,
[01:16:00.120 --> 01:16:03.320]  and as I say, it was an unfolding process.
[01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:06.120]  But compared to the IRS, I thought, well, the FBI
[01:16:06.120 --> 01:16:09.600]  would definitely be a better agency.
[01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.320]  But there was a hiring freeze.
[01:16:12.320 --> 01:16:14.200]  The idea of working for the IRS kind of
[01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:16.840]  grew on me because it was a special agent position,
[01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:20.200]  a criminal investigator, gun in a badge.
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:22.360]  You're working on money laundering cases,
[01:16:22.360 --> 01:16:26.160]  really detailed cases with other agencies.
[01:16:26.160 --> 01:16:30.240]  And granted, tax and accounting was my background.
[01:16:30.240 --> 01:16:33.240]  So it seemed like a pretty good fit.
[01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:37.360]  So November 93, I was sworn in as an IRS special agent.
[01:16:37.360 --> 01:16:39.480]  And just for the audience, the IRS
[01:16:39.480 --> 01:16:43.640]  has a civil functions where there's audits and levies
[01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:44.960]  and things like that.
[01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.720]  And then they have a criminal investigation function
[01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:55.040]  where when proof of an intentional violation of a law
[01:16:55.040 --> 01:17:00.200]  can be investigated, then you'd have a criminal investigator
[01:17:00.200 --> 01:17:02.840]  who would do that, much like a police officer would investigate
[01:17:03.400 --> 01:17:09.320]  a crime scene, or whether it be secret service investigating,
[01:17:09.320 --> 01:17:12.120]  counterfeiting, or whatever it might be.
[01:17:12.120 --> 01:17:13.760]  So the IRS had it.
[01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.120]  Does it have to be something associated with a crime?
[01:17:16.120 --> 01:17:20.760]  Or is it something that is tax, was it evasion,
[01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.640]  as opposed to avoidance?
[01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:26.240]  Yeah, avoidance is, I can't remember,
[01:17:26.240 --> 01:17:29.680]  which is just like the approval versus the authorization
[01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:30.520]  for the vaccines.
[01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:32.080]  So it's OK.
[01:17:32.080 --> 01:17:35.800]  And it's part of the game to try to avoid your taxes.
[01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:36.640]  And that's encouraged.
[01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.280]  But if you evade your taxes, then is that
[01:17:39.280 --> 01:17:41.720]  when they get the criminal people involved?
[01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:43.920]  Or do they still have, for evasion,
[01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:48.120]  do they still have some of the non-criminal auditors
[01:17:48.120 --> 01:17:49.720]  involved with that?
[01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:52.000]  Well, that's the way it's supposed to work.
[01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:54.400]  In other words, if you don't have a mens rea,
[01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:56.080]  you don't have a criminal intent,
[01:17:56.080 --> 01:18:00.200]  then it should be in the purview of avoidance,
[01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:03.600]  which even the Supreme Court, numerous courts have ruled,
[01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:05.240]  tax avoidance is not a crime.
[01:18:05.240 --> 01:18:07.960]  In fact, it's expected.
[01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:10.720]  But another mission creep for the IRS
[01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:16.560]  is even tax avoidance has become a punishable matter.
[01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.600]  So it's something for people to keep in mind.
[01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:21.400]  But anyway, the difference between the two
[01:18:21.400 --> 01:18:26.200]  is that tax avoidance is utilizing the law as written
[01:18:26.200 --> 01:18:30.160]  to minimize or eliminate taxes as much as possible.
[01:18:30.160 --> 01:18:35.040]  Tax evasion is knowing that you have a known legal duty
[01:18:35.040 --> 01:18:38.920]  to obey some law or provide such information,
[01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:41.520]  and then purposely not doing so.
[01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:45.280]  Willfully is actually the word that they use.
[01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:49.000]  So when we look at this explosion in the IRS,
[01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:51.040]  and well, let's continue on with your story.
[01:18:51.040 --> 01:18:52.560]  I don't want to get away with your story.
[01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:54.440]  Let's go back and talk about your journey.
[01:18:54.440 --> 01:18:57.680]  You go to work for the IRS, and then what happens?
[01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:01.280]  So 1993, and I expected to spend a full 20-year career there
[01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:04.320]  because as a law enforcement position,
[01:19:04.320 --> 01:19:07.920]  it's not a 30-year retirement, it's a 20-year retirement.
[01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.360]  You work 50-hour work weeks, so you're
[01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:15.000]  getting basically a 25% premium in your pay,
[01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:19.320]  plus the extra pay for being a law enforcement kind of person,
[01:19:19.320 --> 01:19:21.400]  gun and badge and all that.
[01:19:21.400 --> 01:19:23.920]  So I really expected to spend a 20-year career there.
[01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:28.040]  Again, because you're investigating money laundering
[01:19:28.040 --> 01:19:33.240]  and really intricate crimes, and protecting the Treasury
[01:19:33.240 --> 01:19:35.680]  as you're thinking you're doing that.
[01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:37.560]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson, and I want
[01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.120]  you to pause what you're doing for just one minute,
[01:19:40.120 --> 01:19:42.960]  and I want you to hear about Alejandra.
[01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:46.400]  She lives in a remote community with very few resources
[01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:48.920]  and little to no health care.
[01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:53.040]  So when Alejandra gets sick, her parents have no real options,
[01:19:53.040 --> 01:19:56.600]  no doctors in their community, and no money
[01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:58.640]  for real medical care.
[01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:01.400]  By the third day, her body was shutting down.
[01:20:01.400 --> 01:20:04.720]  She woke up and just long enough to tell her mom,
[01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:07.520]  I can't take the pain anymore.
[01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.320]  I can't keep going.
[01:20:09.320 --> 01:20:13.600]  Her parents drove hours to find a doctor who tried everything,
[01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.960]  but she needed a private hospital.
[01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.440]  And that was impossible for her family to afford.
[01:20:19.480 --> 01:20:23.280]  And that is when Compassion International stepped in.
[01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:26.520]  Now, through compassion, Alejandra was treated.
[01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.560]  And against all odds, she survived.
[01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.520]  She lived because someone just like you took action.
[01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:35.760]  Right now, unfortunately, there are children
[01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:39.960]  just like Alejandra who won't survive unless someone like you
[01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:41.160]  steps in.
[01:20:41.160 --> 01:20:43.000]  Compassion International partners
[01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.800]  with local churches, providing children with the support
[01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.960]  that they need, critical medical care, plus food,
[01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:56.080]  education, and the hope of the gospel, all in Jesus' name.
[01:20:56.080 --> 01:20:59.840]  So help a child just like Alejandra today.
[01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.360]  You can visit compassion.com.
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[01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:39.720]  And so I believe those functions are necessary.
[01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:41.960]  And so my expectations were kind of changed
[01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:44.880]  when about three years into my career there,
[01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.640]  I was listening to a talk radio show.
[01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:52.920]  That's why I'm so, people like David Knight are so admirable
[01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:57.160]  because you've got those are the truth pills dispensing
[01:21:57.160 --> 01:21:59.240]  and big bottles.
[01:21:59.240 --> 01:22:02.120]  But anyway, I was an avid talk radio listener.
[01:22:02.120 --> 01:22:04.280]  And so they had a guest on the show
[01:22:04.280 --> 01:22:07.400]  talking about the income tax and the Federal Reserve
[01:22:07.400 --> 01:22:10.680]  and all the things that back in the 90s and prior to that
[01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.400]  were just thought of as, oh, kookiest subject matter, right?
[01:22:14.400 --> 01:22:15.640]  I know, I know.
[01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:18.800]  Yeah, we'd run people for office with the Libertarian Party
[01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.240]  and we'd start out by saying, we want to abolish the income
[01:22:21.240 --> 01:22:22.600]  tax and the IRS.
[01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.240]  And they're like, oh, they're just radical.
[01:22:25.240 --> 01:22:27.160]  You don't need to listen to these people, right?
[01:22:27.160 --> 01:22:28.000]  So yeah, I know.
[01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:28.920]  Yes.
[01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:30.320]  Yeah, the pioneers.
[01:22:30.320 --> 01:22:33.720]  Thank goodness for the pioneers, the trailblazers.
[01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:35.880]  So anyway, listened.
[01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.960]  And then it was on a talk show of a guy that was always
[01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:40.760]  telling the truth about every other thing.
[01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:43.560]  So I thought, well, why would he lie to us now?
[01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.560]  Why would he have a guest on that would lie to his audience?
[01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:47.960]  So that's what got me started.
[01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:53.000]  So I spent two years off duty evenings and weekends
[01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.360]  investigating whether or not these claims about the income
[01:22:56.360 --> 01:22:58.600]  tax were actually true.
[01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:02.960]  And the basic claim was that the IRS, the income tax,
[01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:07.240]  was not actually required to be paid by most Americans
[01:23:07.240 --> 01:23:12.360]  because no federal law ever made them liable to pay the tax.
[01:23:12.360 --> 01:23:16.480]  And the IRS's own instructions, their own regulations
[01:23:16.480 --> 01:23:19.240]  state that if you're liable for a tax,
[01:23:19.240 --> 01:23:20.720]  then you have all these requirements
[01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:22.360]  that you have to follow.
[01:23:22.360 --> 01:23:24.720]  But it's that key juncture.
[01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:26.280]  Are you liable?
[01:23:26.280 --> 01:23:29.880]  And nowadays, any American can search the internet
[01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:34.760]  and search through the entire thick internal revenue code.
[01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.920]  Old guys like us would call it thick, right?
[01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.920]  It's just on a computer screen now.
[01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.800]  You can search through all these laws and find out, well,
[01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:44.000]  where do I become liable?
[01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:44.960]  How does this happen?
[01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.320]  The IRS says, I have to do all these things.
[01:23:47.320 --> 01:23:50.840]  If I'm liable for the tax, let's see where that happens.
[01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.520]  And then Americans who do the research
[01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.000]  come to find out that, oh, wow, I'm
[01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:57.480]  not liable for the income tax.
[01:23:57.480 --> 01:24:00.120]  Is that some kind of an oversight?
[01:24:00.120 --> 01:24:02.480]  I remember for years, they would send out the package.
[01:24:02.480 --> 01:24:03.680]  I don't know if they do this anymore.
[01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.440]  But they would say, the income tax is a voluntary thing.
[01:24:06.440 --> 01:24:08.120]  We really do appreciate you volunteering.
[01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:11.240]  And I used to think that was the most cynical thing.
[01:24:11.240 --> 01:24:14.480]  It's just like you would get the printed paper maps
[01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:16.360]  and it would always have something there
[01:24:16.360 --> 01:24:19.640]  from the governor of whatever the state was reminding you
[01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:21.000]  that driving is a privilege.
[01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.880]  Well, the IRS would always send this thing out and say,
[01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:26.960]  and thank you for complying with this voluntarily.
[01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.080]  And all the residents are like, what are they talking about?
[01:24:29.080 --> 01:24:31.760]  I know what's going to happen if I don't volunteer.
[01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:35.280]  They're going to voluntarily haul me away.
[01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:37.760]  And that's kind of like when they
[01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:41.960]  say if you're blindfolded and there's an elephant in the room
[01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:44.160]  but you don't know it and you touch and there's a trunk
[01:24:44.160 --> 01:24:46.960]  and you touch and there's a big toenail.
[01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.480]  So those kinds of clues, even from the commissioners
[01:24:49.480 --> 01:24:54.200]  who would write those introductory letters each year,
[01:24:54.200 --> 01:24:57.640]  that's just one of many parts of the elephant
[01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:01.720]  to indicate how illegitimate the IRS's enforcement
[01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.320]  and administration of the income tax actually is.
[01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:06.640]  And of course, I always hesitate.
[01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:09.640]  I'm not like urging people like the Pied Piper,
[01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.080]  go out and battle with the IRS.
[01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:13.480]  Yeah, that's the problem.
[01:25:13.480 --> 01:25:15.120]  Even if they don't have authority,
[01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:16.760]  they've got a lot of power.
[01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.160]  And we see power abused all the time without authority.
[01:25:19.160 --> 01:25:21.200]  I mean, look at the last couple of years here,
[01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:25.000]  how they've abused their, without authority,
[01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:26.440]  they've abused their power.
[01:25:26.440 --> 01:25:28.240]  It's just, it's absolutely amazing.
[01:25:28.240 --> 01:25:30.400]  And you're talking about how thick it's become.
[01:25:30.400 --> 01:25:33.360]  And that's one of the ways that they can really control you
[01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:36.000]  if the law is sufficiently complex
[01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.480]  so that nobody knows what it is really,
[01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:40.160]  then it's the same as having no law at all.
[01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:42.680]  And that really has been kind of the operating principle
[01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:44.960]  of much of the government, not just the IRS,
[01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:49.640]  but they bury everything in so many levels of detail
[01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.160]  that nobody really knows what it is.
[01:25:51.160 --> 01:25:52.800]  It's not a simple statement
[01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.120]  like we have in the bill of rights.
[01:25:54.120 --> 01:25:57.040]  And instead they create these complicated prevarications
[01:25:57.040 --> 01:26:00.040]  to erase our bill of rights and our constitution.
[01:26:00.040 --> 01:26:02.520]  Yes, and I think also your listeners and yourself
[01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.760]  will be fascinated by this little fact.
[01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:09.040]  I'm sure everyone's heard, especially with the COVID,
[01:26:09.040 --> 01:26:11.880]  how people are accused of being
[01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.400]  mass misinformation spreaders.
[01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.280]  Well, the IRS actually wrote the book on that.
[01:26:19.280 --> 01:26:23.800]  They would designate people as illegal tax protesters.
[01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.000]  If you point out an actual black letter law
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.280]  to the IRS auditor, for example,
[01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:31.560]  they'll tell you it's a frivolous argument.
[01:26:33.040 --> 01:26:36.960]  So smearing people with labels
[01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:40.560]  like illegal tax protester or tax denier.
[01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.360]  Really, the book was written by the IRS
[01:26:44.360 --> 01:26:46.760]  in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
[01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:49.160]  So all they had to do was dust that off.
[01:26:49.160 --> 01:26:53.080]  Fauci could just dust off all those policies
[01:26:53.080 --> 01:26:57.080]  and practices and dismiss.
[01:26:57.080 --> 01:27:00.160]  Of course, thankfully, there's enough courageous people
[01:27:00.160 --> 01:27:01.800]  that they can be called any name in the book.
[01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:03.080]  They don't care.
[01:27:03.080 --> 01:27:04.640]  The truth is the truth.
[01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:09.080]  And eventually, the purveyors of the lies start scurrying
[01:27:09.080 --> 01:27:12.720]  for the dark corners of the room like Fauci did.
[01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:14.880]  Yeah, and we're at that point right now.
[01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:16.720]  It's been the beginning of this program talking about,
[01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.080]  hey, it looks like it's turned.
[01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:20.720]  They've decided that they can't hide
[01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.000]  the massive pile of bodies everywhere
[01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.680]  and everybody's turning on each other.
[01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:26.000]  Well, he was the one who did it.
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.920]  I didn't do it, that type of thing.
[01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:30.400]  All the finger pointing has now started,
[01:27:30.440 --> 01:27:32.440]  which is a good move for our side,
[01:27:32.440 --> 01:27:34.040]  as long as they don't try to escalate this
[01:27:34.040 --> 01:27:35.840]  with some other kind of attack or with a war
[01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:37.280]  to try to wipe all this stuff out.
[01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:41.800]  But I'm curious because, Joe, once you challenge them,
[01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:44.160]  especially from the inside,
[01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:46.360]  things must have gotten really bad for you.
[01:27:47.360 --> 01:27:48.200]  Oh, they did.
[01:27:48.200 --> 01:27:51.440]  I mean, I was, not to toot my own horn,
[01:27:51.440 --> 01:27:53.960]  but in terms of awards and promotions
[01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:56.160]  and everybody asking, oh, wow,
[01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:57.920]  you must be gonna go into management.
[01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.360]  You're just a car charger.
[01:28:00.360 --> 01:28:03.520]  And so everything was really great until I start,
[01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.000]  I just kind of raised my hand sheepishly and said,
[01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.840]  hey, I've been doing this research about the income tax
[01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:10.840]  and trying to dismiss these claims
[01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:12.880]  by these so-called tax protesters.
[01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:16.280]  And sure, there's some strange stuff out there,
[01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:19.880]  but I'm a CPA, you trust me to carry this gun
[01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.040]  and a badge around.
[01:28:22.280 --> 01:28:24.080]  These are the things that I've found.
[01:28:24.080 --> 01:28:25.680]  And given that I took an oath
[01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:27.680]  to support and defend the constitution
[01:28:28.440 --> 01:28:32.160]  and you did too, to my supervisors, what about this?
[01:28:32.160 --> 01:28:34.480]  I mean, I really think I need to get this resolved
[01:28:34.480 --> 01:28:36.640]  so that I can be assured
[01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.520]  that I am actually abiding by my oath.
[01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.920]  And well, the answer I got was,
[01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.000]  you probably already can figure it out.
[01:28:46.120 --> 01:28:47.240]  They were not happy.
[01:28:47.240 --> 01:28:50.040]  They would not answer any of my questions.
[01:28:50.040 --> 01:28:52.680]  They would not even address my report,
[01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:56.560]  which this is what evolved,
[01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:59.920]  but originally it was a 99 page report
[01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:01.400]  provided to my supervisors,
[01:29:01.400 --> 01:29:06.240]  just highlighting some of the concerning issues.
[01:29:06.240 --> 01:29:11.240]  And they sent my inquiries up this chain of command
[01:29:11.360 --> 01:29:15.480]  up to the assistant commissioner for criminal investigation.
[01:29:15.480 --> 01:29:17.240]  And the word came back down.
[01:29:17.240 --> 01:29:18.720]  No answer of your questions.
[01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.200]  We'll provide you with the paperwork
[01:29:20.200 --> 01:29:21.680]  to tend to your resignation.
[01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:26.480]  Took my gun and badge away, kept my pager for a week.
[01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:29.720]  Don't call us, we'll call you.
[01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:34.120]  And then I really decided that because I had a really,
[01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:37.000]  frankly, a stellar reputation,
[01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:38.720]  that if I stayed with the IRS,
[01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.920]  then they would have made sure that they ruined it.
[01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:42.880]  And then who would believe me?
[01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:47.880]  So I actually resigned on my birthday, February 25th, 1999.
[01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.160]  And I don't know how many listeners know this,
[01:29:51.160 --> 01:29:53.240]  but my birthday, February 25th,
[01:29:53.240 --> 01:29:58.240]  and the income tax birthday, February 25th, 1913,
[01:29:58.280 --> 01:29:59.480]  we share the same day.
[01:29:59.480 --> 01:30:04.480]  So maybe I was meant to blow a few whistles.
[01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:05.840]  Wow.
[01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.040]  So did they just let you resign?
[01:30:08.040 --> 01:30:11.760]  And there was criminal charges against you though, right?
[01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:13.240]  Yeah, resigned in 99.
[01:30:13.240 --> 01:30:17.880]  And then I had no mainstream media attention immediately.
[01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:20.960]  I mean, you'd think if a criminal investigator for the IRS
[01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:22.600]  was blowing the whistle,
[01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.080]  that the mainstream media would care.
[01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:26.840]  Well, people thought that in the old days.
[01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:29.840]  So that didn't happen.
[01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.400]  But then the internet was taking off
[01:30:33.400 --> 01:30:36.040]  in the late 90s and early 2000s.
[01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:37.480]  So I was getting a lot of attention.
[01:30:37.480 --> 01:30:39.240]  And then eventually the mainstream media
[01:30:39.240 --> 01:30:40.880]  did pay attention to me.
[01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:42.240]  And that's another thing I found out
[01:30:42.240 --> 01:30:44.760]  about the way the government and the media work.
[01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:49.360]  They pay attention to you right before they take you down.
[01:30:49.360 --> 01:30:50.720]  Yes, yes.
[01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:53.520]  So I was on 60 Minutes 2.
[01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:55.680]  There's a 60 Minutes and a 60 Minutes 2.
[01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:57.360]  So I made it to 60 Minutes 2.
[01:30:57.360 --> 01:31:00.400]  I was interviewed by the New York Times a number of times.
[01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:06.920]  B-Span, MSNBC, all kinds of media organs.
[01:31:07.360 --> 01:31:08.800]  And I'm thinking, wow,
[01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:10.320]  they're actually paying attention,
[01:31:10.320 --> 01:31:12.000]  not to me, but to the issue.
[01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:17.000]  I mean, we traveled to Congress, to the White House,
[01:31:17.040 --> 01:31:19.280]  the Supreme Court, trying to petition
[01:31:19.280 --> 01:31:21.840]  for a redress of our grievances.
[01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:26.840]  Well, in reward, as a reward for all my efforts,
[01:31:27.320 --> 01:31:30.720]  I was indicted in November of 2004
[01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:34.120]  on four felony counts.
[01:31:34.120 --> 01:31:36.720]  Three counts were preparing three false
[01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:39.640]  federal income tax returns for a client.
[01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:41.560]  And the fourth count, for good measure,
[01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.720]  was conspiracy to defraud the United States of America.
[01:31:45.120 --> 01:31:46.320]  Hmm.
[01:31:46.320 --> 01:31:49.320]  So my trial was in June of 2005.
[01:31:49.320 --> 01:31:52.080]  I had about seven months to prepare.
[01:31:52.080 --> 01:31:54.560]  And I was looking at, I don't know,
[01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:57.440]  anywhere from probably three to five, six years
[01:31:57.440 --> 01:32:00.040]  in federal prison if I was convicted.
[01:32:00.040 --> 01:32:01.360]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson.
[01:32:01.360 --> 01:32:04.000]  And I want to be honest with you for a second
[01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.960]  about how an act of compassion really feels.
[01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:10.280]  A couple of years ago, I made the choice to partner
[01:32:10.280 --> 01:32:12.120]  with an amazing organization
[01:32:12.120 --> 01:32:13.960]  called Compassion International.
[01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:14.800]  Why?
[01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.960]  Because I wanted to sponsor a child in need.
[01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:19.880]  It was a nice idea, sure.
[01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:23.640]  But I had no idea just how much that simple act
[01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:25.720]  would change my life as well.
[01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:29.360]  I sponsored Nadia and got to watch her life change
[01:32:29.360 --> 01:32:30.920]  right in front of my eyes,
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[01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.760]  I got to be a part of that change.
[01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:44.680]  And the light of that compassion
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[01:33:40.360 --> 01:33:43.840]  And the basic premise was that I prepared these tax returns
[01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:45.040]  on behalf of a client.
[01:33:45.040 --> 01:33:49.320]  He had already paid taxes and was seeking a refund.
[01:33:50.320 --> 01:33:52.000]  And there's a process that you follow
[01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:53.120]  and that's why he hired me,
[01:33:53.120 --> 01:33:55.840]  to make sure that we follow the process to the letter.
[01:33:57.240 --> 01:34:01.360]  But as I mentioned about tax avoidance and tax evasion,
[01:34:01.360 --> 01:34:03.960]  they can turn tax avoidance,
[01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:07.280]  seeking a refund for example, into a crime.
[01:34:07.320 --> 01:34:10.880]  And so they call it false refund claim.
[01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:12.680]  I was the one that prepared the tax return,
[01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:15.400]  so therefore I conspired with the client.
[01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.080]  Of course, none of that was true.
[01:34:19.080 --> 01:34:21.720]  Even their experts on the witness stand,
[01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:24.120]  my attorneys walk them through
[01:34:24.120 --> 01:34:26.840]  just about every line of the tax returns
[01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:28.520]  and said, is this line false?
[01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:29.520]  Is this line false?
[01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.040]  Is this line false?
[01:34:31.040 --> 01:34:33.400]  And there was nothing false about them.
[01:34:33.400 --> 01:34:35.440]  And so the jury's kind of scratching their heads
[01:34:35.440 --> 01:34:39.520]  like, why is this guy being prosecuted?
[01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.440]  The prosecution can't even tell us he did anything bad.
[01:34:43.480 --> 01:34:48.480]  So I was acquitted in June of 2005 of those charges.
[01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:53.640]  And then of course, the whole IRS civil function
[01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.520]  descended upon me with audits.
[01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:01.520]  And then the CPA disbarment thing was percolating along.
[01:35:02.400 --> 01:35:05.040]  And of course, that's one of the many reasons
[01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:09.240]  why I don't act like the Pied Piper telling people,
[01:35:09.240 --> 01:35:10.880]  hey, go battle with the IRS
[01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:14.040]  because I just don't think most people are,
[01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.160]  I wasn't even really equipped for it,
[01:35:16.160 --> 01:35:18.960]  but I just reach out to the Lord
[01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.560]  and know that he'll protect you
[01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:24.920]  and not necessarily from pain or suffering,
[01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.040]  but in terms of protection of your soul
[01:35:27.040 --> 01:35:30.640]  and your desire for truth.
[01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:31.720]  Yes, that's right.
[01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:32.880]  That is the thing that matters.
[01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.840]  And that is the final court and judgment that matters.
[01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:38.200]  And that's what gives us the leverage
[01:35:38.200 --> 01:35:40.480]  to make these kinds of changes.
[01:35:40.480 --> 01:35:44.600]  Well, I really, and I understand because I have talked
[01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:47.760]  to people who went to battle with the IRS,
[01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:50.960]  I knew one guy who went to prison and his,
[01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:53.640]  what happened to him in trial was he went in,
[01:35:53.640 --> 01:35:55.600]  he thought he found something in the law
[01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:57.200]  that shut everything down.
[01:35:57.200 --> 01:36:01.600]  And so he was going to make that the issue at the trial.
[01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:03.360]  And he brings up, he goes, what about this?
[01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:06.400]  I said, no, we're not going to talk about that next question.
[01:36:06.400 --> 01:36:08.160]  And that was it.
[01:36:08.160 --> 01:36:09.880]  And he couldn't even find anybody
[01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:10.760]  who's going to represent him.
[01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:12.800]  So he does it himself.
[01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.080]  And they wouldn't answer the first question.
[01:36:15.080 --> 01:36:16.560]  They just shut everything down
[01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.440]  and wouldn't consider anything.
[01:36:18.440 --> 01:36:22.120]  Did they try to, with your situation,
[01:36:22.120 --> 01:36:24.000]  they tried to bring enough charges
[01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:26.040]  that they offered you a plea bargain
[01:36:26.040 --> 01:36:27.160]  instead of having a jury trial?
[01:36:27.160 --> 01:36:28.200]  Was that-
[01:36:28.200 --> 01:36:30.720]  You know, interestingly, and according to my attorneys,
[01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:34.520]  who'd had much more experience with trials and pleas,
[01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:36.600]  they never offered me a plea.
[01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:40.800]  It's almost like they knew what fingers I would show them
[01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:42.840]  if they had done that.
[01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.000]  They didn't bother with it.
[01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:46.720]  But they said it was really unprecedented
[01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:48.640]  that there wasn't even a plea offer.
[01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:51.480]  So they must've done some kind of study
[01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:55.000]  of my personality or something that, you know,
[01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:58.320]  I granted, you know, there's people that are guilty
[01:36:58.360 --> 01:37:00.560]  of crimes that say, you know, I didn't do it.
[01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:06.640]  But I didn't, there was nothing untoward at all.
[01:37:08.040 --> 01:37:09.480]  You know, I wouldn't sign a document
[01:37:09.480 --> 01:37:10.920]  under penalty of perjury unless I knew
[01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.280]  that it was true, correct, and complete.
[01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:15.680]  And of course, the trial proved that they all were,
[01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:17.160]  but they charged me anyway.
[01:37:17.160 --> 01:37:19.560]  In fact, the special agent that I used to work with
[01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:23.960]  who investigated me, I have it from a very good source
[01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:28.000]  that he actually recommended that I not be prosecuted.
[01:37:28.040 --> 01:37:30.160]  And when a special agent, you know,
[01:37:30.160 --> 01:37:34.520]  actually any investigator does an investigation,
[01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.280]  it's not a foregone conclusion that they're gonna find
[01:37:37.280 --> 01:37:40.120]  that there's a crime granted in grand juries
[01:37:40.120 --> 01:37:42.480]  and diet ham sandwiches, et cetera.
[01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:45.120]  But there is actually, you come to the end of the road
[01:37:45.120 --> 01:37:48.320]  and the investigator is supposed to give it a recommendation
[01:37:48.320 --> 01:37:50.400]  should there be prosecution or not.
[01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:52.800]  And I've never been able to get my hands on the report,
[01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:56.520]  but a very reliable source said that the special agent
[01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:58.800]  actually recommended that I not be prosecuted
[01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:01.000]  because he could not find evidence
[01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.320]  that the elements of the crime had been satisfied.
[01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:09.320]  And yet the DOJ, the IRS, you know, all the bureaucracy
[01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:12.760]  decided we're gonna prosecute him anyway
[01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:17.760]  because we can't have this wayward guy telling the public
[01:38:18.120 --> 01:38:19.600]  that there might be an alternative
[01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:22.360]  to our government position.
[01:38:22.360 --> 01:38:23.960]  Just pure vindictiveness.
[01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:25.960]  And of course, the reason that they'll do that
[01:38:26.120 --> 01:38:30.120]  is because they don't want to lose a trial, you know?
[01:38:30.120 --> 01:38:32.000]  And so they're looking at a lot of, you know,
[01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.440]  what they do with a grand jury is to judge
[01:38:35.440 --> 01:38:37.040]  the strength of their case.
[01:38:37.040 --> 01:38:40.480]  And so, you know, nobody wants to go into this
[01:38:40.480 --> 01:38:44.480]  as an investigator or a prosecutor or whatever and lose.
[01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:47.000]  And so that's why they make those types of recommendations,
[01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:49.520]  but the higher ups just wanted to get even with that.
[01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.360]  Tell us a little bit about your take on what is happening
[01:38:52.360 --> 01:38:54.400]  with this expansion of the IRS,
[01:38:54.400 --> 01:38:58.080]  because now with this new bill that just got passed,
[01:38:58.080 --> 01:38:59.840]  they're going to take the budget
[01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:01.640]  that is currently $12 billion
[01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:04.280]  and they're going to add $80 billion to it.
[01:39:04.280 --> 01:39:06.120]  So it's gonna be, you know, about seven and a half times
[01:39:06.120 --> 01:39:08.360]  bigger than it is right now.
[01:39:08.360 --> 01:39:10.680]  From having been there in the past,
[01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:12.800]  how do you think this is going to play out?
[01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:14.720]  I mean, there's been a lot of talk, Joe,
[01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:18.040]  about the IRS agents who are carrying guns
[01:39:18.040 --> 01:39:19.200]  and that type of thing.
[01:39:19.200 --> 01:39:20.800]  I know there'll be a lot of agents
[01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:25.080]  that'll just be doing audits like from a CPA standpoint,
[01:39:25.080 --> 01:39:29.520]  but how do you think this is going to play out
[01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:32.680]  in terms of how it's going to affect us as individuals?
[01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.440]  Well, I could start with the criminal investigation
[01:39:36.440 --> 01:39:39.680]  component just because I'm most familiar with that.
[01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:42.480]  But when I was with the IRS,
[01:39:42.480 --> 01:39:45.920]  there was, I think, between 2,800 and 3,000
[01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.880]  IRS special agents.
[01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:51.440]  And now, or at least until this bill
[01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:55.960]  and the preparations for it, it's about 2,300.
[01:39:55.960 --> 01:40:00.280]  So the headcount actually went down by about 700.
[01:40:00.280 --> 01:40:03.400]  I think even Rhino Republicans were hesitant
[01:40:03.400 --> 01:40:08.200]  to beef up budgets for the IRS
[01:40:08.200 --> 01:40:10.720]  because the public, at least they're gonna,
[01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:13.280]  that kind of information is gonna percolate
[01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:14.960]  down to the average Joe.
[01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:20.800]  So what's amazing though is now, of course,
[01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:24.200]  with a barely democratically controlled Congress
[01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:26.440]  and a president that'll sign the bill,
[01:40:26.440 --> 01:40:29.040]  this was basically their only chance
[01:40:29.040 --> 01:40:34.040]  to do what they probably wanted to do for 30, 40 years,
[01:40:34.480 --> 01:40:38.400]  to really just pad in the billions
[01:40:38.400 --> 01:40:40.280]  and have all the personnel,
[01:40:40.280 --> 01:40:44.080]  because the ultimate goal really is fear
[01:40:44.080 --> 01:40:47.800]  so that people self,
[01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:49.960]  well, just like self-censorship, right?
[01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:52.120]  They self-report, they pay more,
[01:40:52.120 --> 01:40:55.600]  they don't fight a notice that's erroneous,
[01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:57.600]  telling them that they owe more taxes.
[01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.240]  They wanna cultivate that fear so they get the compliance
[01:41:01.240 --> 01:41:03.080]  without really having to do anything.
[01:41:03.080 --> 01:41:04.280]  That's right.
[01:41:04.280 --> 01:41:05.360]  And it's been very effective.
[01:41:05.360 --> 01:41:09.200]  I mean, we look at an army of 87,000 new agents,
[01:41:09.200 --> 01:41:10.400]  not all of them carrying guns,
[01:41:10.400 --> 01:41:12.480]  but you can destroy somebody's life
[01:41:12.480 --> 01:41:14.200]  with a pencil and a paper, right?
[01:41:14.200 --> 01:41:17.320]  And so when you look at that being unleashed on people,
[01:41:17.320 --> 01:41:19.440]  and when you look at the idea
[01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:23.200]  that the Democrats want to raise taxes,
[01:41:23.200 --> 01:41:24.760]  and for the most part,
[01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:26.920]  even though there were some corporate taxes in there
[01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:28.080]  that got raised, for the most part,
[01:41:28.080 --> 01:41:29.800]  they wanna raise the revenue
[01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:32.800]  by squeezing it out of people with the current tax law
[01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:33.960]  and by using the IRS.
[01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:37.320]  I think that's the thing that is really concerning
[01:41:37.320 --> 01:41:41.080]  and intimidating and designed to intimidate people.
[01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:42.920]  Right.
[01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:46.120]  And they're really effective at using little buzz phrases
[01:41:46.120 --> 01:41:50.240]  like tax the rich, pay your fair share,
[01:41:50.240 --> 01:41:54.200]  and they get the Pavlovian response,
[01:41:54.200 --> 01:41:57.680]  that you have to be afraid that in a jury,
[01:41:57.680 --> 01:41:59.280]  thankfully I didn't have such a jury,
[01:41:59.280 --> 01:42:00.680]  I had a thinking jury,
[01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:01.680]  but the jury that's like,
[01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:04.160]  well, I gotta pay my fair share,
[01:42:04.160 --> 01:42:05.200]  he gotta pay his,
[01:42:05.200 --> 01:42:07.640]  and they can fix you over that,
[01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:10.240]  as opposed to whether you actually violated the law.
[01:42:11.320 --> 01:42:16.320]  But yeah, the intimidation is the go-to way
[01:42:16.360 --> 01:42:17.840]  that they get things done.
[01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.200]  I guess what I'm concerned about is,
[01:42:20.200 --> 01:42:23.040]  well, for the good news, I'll say it first,
[01:42:23.040 --> 01:42:27.880]  it's gonna take quite a bit of time to ramp up,
[01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:31.200]  to onboard, even if they do have the budget
[01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:33.600]  for 87,000 new people.
[01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:38.480]  It's gonna take a few years to ramp them up
[01:42:38.480 --> 01:42:39.360]  where they're trained
[01:42:39.360 --> 01:42:41.240]  and they're actually then making phone calls
[01:42:41.240 --> 01:42:42.760]  and sending letters.
[01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.560]  And so in the meantime,
[01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.160]  that's more Americans that can wake up
[01:42:47.160 --> 01:42:49.000]  and get the law repealed,
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:50.800]  or take away their budget,
[01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.440]  or, and these are stopgap, right?
[01:42:53.440 --> 01:42:56.800]  I mean, obviously the agency shouldn't even exist.
[01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:57.640]  Yes.
[01:42:57.640 --> 01:42:59.120]  But I mean, until...
[01:42:59.120 --> 01:43:00.280]  And I guess that's a question.
[01:43:00.280 --> 01:43:02.040]  We can't get the GOP to do anything
[01:43:02.040 --> 01:43:05.120]  to really change this structure.
[01:43:05.120 --> 01:43:08.440]  You talked about how it was created 1913.
[01:43:08.440 --> 01:43:09.840]  What did we do before that?
[01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:12.840]  I've mentioned many times that Thomas Jefferson said
[01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:15.440]  and bragged about in his second inaugural address
[01:43:15.440 --> 01:43:17.520]  that they had eliminated useless offices
[01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.320]  and spending and his first administration.
[01:43:20.320 --> 01:43:23.040]  And so he said, no American now,
[01:43:23.040 --> 01:43:25.200]  no American, no farmer, no laborer,
[01:43:25.200 --> 01:43:26.720]  no mechanic, no as a tax man.
[01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:29.360]  They didn't have any internal taxes at all.
[01:43:29.360 --> 01:43:31.520]  They had all, the government was run
[01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:33.280]  off of taxes at the border.
[01:43:33.280 --> 01:43:35.560]  But when we had this globalization come in,
[01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:37.440]  the early part of the 20th century,
[01:43:38.200 --> 01:43:39.680]  they completely reversed that
[01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:44.240]  to make this something coming after Americans internally,
[01:43:44.240 --> 01:43:45.360]  the internal revenue.
[01:43:45.360 --> 01:43:46.640]  They'd had external revenue.
[01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:48.720]  Now it becomes internal revenue
[01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:50.760]  and lockstep of the Federal Reserve
[01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:55.480]  and focusing on Americans rather than collecting
[01:43:55.480 --> 01:43:58.400]  the revenue at the border.
[01:43:58.400 --> 01:44:02.000]  So I don't really think that the GOP is gonna do anything
[01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:03.320]  to even pull back this increase.
[01:44:03.320 --> 01:44:04.160]  Do you?
[01:44:05.160 --> 01:44:06.960]  No, I'm just saying like,
[01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:08.840]  the ramp up will take a while
[01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:11.480]  and we just have to keep growing our numbers.
[01:44:11.480 --> 01:44:15.600]  And David Knight needs to have 10 and 20
[01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.320]  and 30 million listeners and viewers.
[01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:23.000]  And I would tell them all this stuff if I did.
[01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:25.360]  There's a guy that's come out as a whistleblower
[01:44:25.360 --> 01:44:26.960]  in terms of talking about how this is going
[01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:28.760]  to impact people.
[01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:30.800]  William Hink, I'm sure that you've seen
[01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:31.800]  what he's had to say.
[01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.440]  Former lawyer for the IRS.
[01:44:34.440 --> 01:44:35.280]  And he's saying,
[01:44:35.280 --> 01:44:38.240]  no, they're gonna focus on lower income people.
[01:44:38.240 --> 01:44:40.080]  He said, that's what they've always done.
[01:44:40.080 --> 01:44:41.200]  And of course, they're not gonna be able
[01:44:41.200 --> 01:44:42.560]  to raise the kinds of money.
[01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:43.400]  And he goes through it.
[01:44:43.400 --> 01:44:44.440]  He says, yeah, they're saying they're gonna raise
[01:44:44.440 --> 01:44:45.280]  this much revenue.
[01:44:45.280 --> 01:44:46.280]  Well, there isn't that much revenue
[01:44:46.280 --> 01:44:49.200]  if you're gonna talk about people making over $400,000.
[01:44:49.200 --> 01:44:50.720]  There's absolutely no way they could squeeze
[01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:52.880]  that kind of revenue out of them.
[01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:56.800]  They're gonna have to go to the people with lower incomes.
[01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:00.720]  What was your experience when you were at the IRS?
[01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:05.480]  I mean, how was the split between the middle class
[01:45:05.480 --> 01:45:07.720]  and the poor people and wealthy people
[01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:09.160]  in terms of audits,
[01:45:09.160 --> 01:45:11.480]  in terms of the way they come after them?
[01:45:11.480 --> 01:45:12.800]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson.
[01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:15.480]  And I want to be honest with you for a second
[01:45:15.480 --> 01:45:18.400]  about how an act of compassion really feels.
[01:45:18.400 --> 01:45:21.720]  A couple of years ago, I made the choice to partner
[01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:23.560]  with an amazing organization
[01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:25.400]  called Compassion International.
[01:45:25.400 --> 01:45:26.240]  Why?
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[01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:31.320]  It was a nice idea, sure.
[01:45:31.320 --> 01:45:35.080]  But I had no idea just how much that simple act
[01:45:35.080 --> 01:45:37.160]  would change my life as well.
[01:45:37.160 --> 01:45:40.800]  I sponsored Nadia and got to watch her life change
[01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:42.360]  right in front of my eyes,
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[01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:48.840]  to getting the healthcare and education she needs
[01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:52.040]  to reach her God-given full potential.
[01:45:52.040 --> 01:45:54.200]  I got to be a part of that change.
[01:45:54.200 --> 01:45:56.160]  And the light of that compassion
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[01:45:58.200 --> 01:46:00.240]  it illuminates now in me.
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[01:46:52.280 --> 01:46:55.360]  Well, there would definitely be an effort
[01:46:55.400 --> 01:46:56.200]  to go after the,
[01:46:56.200 --> 01:46:58.320]  so we call them poster children,
[01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:01.160]  the Leona Helmsley's, you know, the-
[01:47:01.160 --> 01:47:02.680]  And there's always one of those every year
[01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:05.000]  around April 15th, isn't it interesting?
[01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:05.840]  Right.
[01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:08.200]  Yeah, we call it, with Gallo's humor,
[01:47:08.200 --> 01:47:10.240]  call it tax terrorism season.
[01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:14.200]  Yeah, who's going to be the poster child this year for,
[01:47:14.200 --> 01:47:16.040]  you better pay your taxes, you know?
[01:47:16.040 --> 01:47:16.880]  Yeah.
[01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:19.080]  So we always, and there would be an uptick.
[01:47:19.080 --> 01:47:22.080]  Like basically the management was looking,
[01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:23.200]  even on a smaller scale,
[01:47:23.200 --> 01:47:25.640]  not the Willie Nelsons and the Pete Roses,
[01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:29.640]  but still on a smaller scale locally, you know?
[01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:33.880]  Okay, timing of the indictments and the press releases
[01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:36.200]  and just cultivating that fear.
[01:47:36.200 --> 01:47:37.880]  Of course, they didn't call it that,
[01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:40.240]  but ultimately that was just, you know,
[01:47:40.240 --> 01:47:41.480]  they know that they can only get
[01:47:41.480 --> 01:47:44.000]  so much enforcement out there,
[01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.920]  but they know how much fear and intimidation
[01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.320]  they can generate by the publicity.
[01:47:49.320 --> 01:47:52.240]  And so that's always been the priority.
[01:47:52.240 --> 01:47:56.800]  But, you know, I worked on some famous cases
[01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:58.800]  that may have been famous around the Bay Area,
[01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:01.400]  you know, or California at the time.
[01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.520]  But you had, but lots of, you know,
[01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:09.000]  really people that weren't very wealthy
[01:48:10.080 --> 01:48:11.480]  were certainly targeted.
[01:48:13.320 --> 01:48:15.360]  This investigation that we would do,
[01:48:15.360 --> 01:48:16.400]  I believe they still do,
[01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:19.520]  you probably heard of the Earned Income Tax Credit.
[01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:22.040]  And every year the Congress would want us to go out,
[01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:24.320]  the special agents, because you'd be knocking on doors,
[01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:27.280]  so they wanted to have the armed agents do so.
[01:48:27.280 --> 01:48:32.280]  And we would find massive fraud in the EITC program.
[01:48:33.040 --> 01:48:34.800]  And we'd report it to Congress
[01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:36.400]  and Congress would just keep increasing
[01:48:36.400 --> 01:48:37.960]  the budget on it every year.
[01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:40.800]  And of course, you've heard about all these
[01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.680]  social security number fraud that goes on.
[01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:48.680]  I mean, literally it is such a pathetic, ugly gross system.
[01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:51.720]  I don't, you know, I'm still out at 23 years
[01:48:52.360 --> 01:48:53.960]  trying to wake people up.
[01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:56.840]  I don't know why the American people put up with it.
[01:48:56.840 --> 01:48:58.920]  And I think, you know, if there were enough,
[01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:00.640]  we could change it.
[01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:02.440]  And so that's why you and I, you know,
[01:49:02.440 --> 01:49:03.800]  beat our heads against the wall,
[01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:05.440]  just trying to tell the truth
[01:49:05.440 --> 01:49:07.760]  and hope that people will listen.
[01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.360]  Because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment,
[01:49:10.360 --> 01:49:12.480]  you know, by not gathering together
[01:49:12.480 --> 01:49:14.200]  and saying we've had enough.
[01:49:14.200 --> 01:49:16.320]  I agree, yeah, that is exactly it.
[01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:17.800]  And they take advantage of people.
[01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:21.040]  That's one of the things that Hank and others were saying
[01:49:21.040 --> 01:49:23.640]  was that they typically go for low-hanging fruit.
[01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:26.360]  They go for people who don't have a lot of money,
[01:49:26.360 --> 01:49:29.080]  who cannot, and they guess they're not gonna go out
[01:49:29.080 --> 01:49:31.560]  and hire a lawyer to fight back against this,
[01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:33.120]  like rich people would.
[01:49:33.120 --> 01:49:36.600]  And so they just know that's gonna be low-hanging fruit.
[01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:37.920]  It's gonna be easy for them to get it.
[01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.680]  And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture as well.
[01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:43.920]  When they would go around, in Chicago,
[01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.560]  most of the cars and things like that, they're stolen,
[01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:48.680]  have a low value.
[01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:50.520]  They're right around $1,000
[01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:53.160]  because they charge somebody if they wanna fight this,
[01:49:53.160 --> 01:49:55.120]  they have to come up with $900
[01:49:55.120 --> 01:49:57.160]  to start these civil proceedings
[01:49:57.160 --> 01:49:59.120]  to try to prove that they're innocent.
[01:49:59.120 --> 01:50:00.480]  Same thing we see with the IRS, right?
[01:50:00.480 --> 01:50:03.880]  You're guilty and you have to prove that you're innocent.
[01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:05.920]  And so they take the cars from these people
[01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:08.760]  who have cars that are only worth a little bit more
[01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:13.560]  than they would have to pony up in order to contest this.
[01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:14.400]  And so as a result,
[01:50:14.400 --> 01:50:16.040]  they just walk away with this stuff left and right.
[01:50:16.040 --> 01:50:17.320]  I think that's what's happening
[01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:18.880]  a great deal with this as well.
[01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:22.160]  Intimidating people and especially preying on people
[01:50:22.160 --> 01:50:23.840]  they know aren't going to fight back.
[01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:25.520]  So what do we tell people?
[01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:29.320]  What is it that the people need to know about the IRS?
[01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:30.920]  Because I don't wanna encourage people
[01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:33.560]  to go directly into battle with this corrupt organization
[01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:35.600]  that has a lot of power.
[01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:38.240]  But what do we do in terms as citizens
[01:50:38.240 --> 01:50:41.080]  to try to change this thing?
[01:50:41.080 --> 01:50:42.320]  What would you suggest?
[01:50:42.320 --> 01:50:44.560]  And what do you tell your listeners about this?
[01:50:45.240 --> 01:50:47.000]  Well, certainly from a,
[01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:51.480]  I realize the frustration of writing to your congressman
[01:50:51.480 --> 01:50:53.800]  and whatever it might be, cause they won't listen.
[01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:57.680]  But I still think you gotta do that
[01:50:57.680 --> 01:50:59.400]  and you gotta encourage others to do that.
[01:50:59.400 --> 01:51:03.080]  They have to hear from people that they're upset.
[01:51:03.080 --> 01:51:05.560]  The other thing is, another thing is I would say,
[01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:08.800]  I don't, if you can help it, find some time
[01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:10.440]  that rather than watching a football game
[01:51:10.440 --> 01:51:14.880]  or some pastime, we all need our R and R.
[01:51:16.120 --> 01:51:18.480]  But learn about your rights.
[01:51:18.480 --> 01:51:20.320]  Learn about the limits to their,
[01:51:20.320 --> 01:51:23.360]  even over the boundaries of authority.
[01:51:24.360 --> 01:51:27.040]  What to do if an agent knocks at your door?
[01:51:27.040 --> 01:51:28.320]  What do you have to do?
[01:51:28.320 --> 01:51:30.160]  What can you do?
[01:51:30.160 --> 01:51:33.000]  Don't give them the rope to hang you with it.
[01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:38.000]  And that's probably the phone calls and house visits
[01:51:38.240 --> 01:51:40.360]  or office visits by IRS agents.
[01:51:41.280 --> 01:51:44.600]  Certainly if there's gonna be 87,000 new agents
[01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:46.400]  pounding the pavement,
[01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:48.680]  they're gonna have a lot better opportunity
[01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:50.960]  to do knock and talks.
[01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:56.680]  And if people realize they don't have to even open the door.
[01:51:56.680 --> 01:51:58.680]  I mean, why do people have ring cameras
[01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:01.440]  and stuff on their front porch?
[01:52:01.440 --> 01:52:04.440]  I mean, I read an article yesterday,
[01:52:04.440 --> 01:52:06.520]  there was actually like a next door kind of a thing.
[01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:09.640]  And the woman says, the man covered my camera.
[01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:13.240]  So I opened the door to find out what he was doing.
[01:52:13.240 --> 01:52:14.080]  Like, what?
[01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:19.040]  You know, don't open the door, you know, learn.
[01:52:19.040 --> 01:52:21.840]  There's videos out now about like the ATF.
[01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:23.960]  You probably heard out they're doing knock and talks
[01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:27.160]  more frequently because somebody bought two guns,
[01:52:27.160 --> 01:52:29.360]  all of a sudden it's an arsenal or, you know,
[01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:34.160]  some BS premise that they give to fish.
[01:52:34.160 --> 01:52:35.200]  Yeah, show me your guns.
[01:52:35.200 --> 01:52:36.840]  I wanna make sure that you still got your guns
[01:52:36.840 --> 01:52:38.440]  that these weren't straw purchases.
[01:52:38.440 --> 01:52:39.480]  That's what they do.
[01:52:40.320 --> 01:52:43.000]  And it is surprising and people and some of the people
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:46.720]  who did record this on, you know, doorbell camera,
[01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:48.960]  then said, you know, I knew this was wrong.
[01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:51.040]  I knew they didn't have a search warrant,
[01:52:51.040 --> 01:52:52.200]  but I was so intimidated by it.
[01:52:52.200 --> 01:52:53.600]  And that's the way this works,
[01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:55.400]  the way the IRS works as well.
[01:52:55.400 --> 01:52:57.400]  And if they're gonna do that over guns,
[01:52:57.400 --> 01:52:59.480]  you know, they're gonna do this with, you know,
[01:52:59.480 --> 01:53:01.200]  87,000 new agents, you know,
[01:53:01.200 --> 01:53:03.240]  that there's gonna be a tremendous amount of this.
[01:53:03.240 --> 01:53:05.440]  You know, I think that's very sound advice
[01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:07.880]  to know what your legal rights are,
[01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:11.360]  what their legal authority is before this happens.
[01:53:11.360 --> 01:53:14.160]  Because again, that once they get these agents in,
[01:53:14.160 --> 01:53:15.680]  it's gonna take a little while.
[01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.800]  It is, it's going to ramp up exponentially
[01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.400]  and your chances of having an encounter like that
[01:53:21.400 --> 01:53:23.880]  are gonna go up exponentially as well.
[01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:28.320]  I've talked in the past to a father
[01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:33.320]  who was trapped in this CPS type of stuff
[01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:35.760]  and Dwight Mitchell.
[01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:38.160]  And he went through the wringer with this thing
[01:53:38.160 --> 01:53:41.800]  and he set up an organization to try to educate people
[01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:43.880]  about what their rights are with this.
[01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:46.240]  And that was one of the first things he told them,
[01:53:46.240 --> 01:53:48.240]  was do not talk to these people.
[01:53:48.240 --> 01:53:50.560]  Everybody wants to initially talk to them and say,
[01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.200]  yeah, let me just show you that I didn't do anything wrong.
[01:53:53.200 --> 01:53:55.280]  You know, that's your first approach to it.
[01:53:55.280 --> 01:53:56.840]  That's not what this is about.
[01:53:56.840 --> 01:53:59.520]  This is, they're fishing for things
[01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:02.800]  and they will misconstrue what you're telling them
[01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:03.800]  for their own purposes.
[01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:05.720]  So he says, you do not talk to them.
[01:54:05.720 --> 01:54:07.960]  That isn't a sign that you're guilty.
[01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:09.120]  It's a sign that you understand
[01:54:09.120 --> 01:54:11.000]  what this process is really about.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:13.040]  And I think that's something very important
[01:54:13.040 --> 01:54:15.480]  for people to understand about these,
[01:54:15.480 --> 01:54:18.120]  this new army of IRS agents that are gonna be
[01:54:18.120 --> 01:54:22.200]  knocking on your door, ringing your phone.
[01:54:22.200 --> 01:54:26.000]  Yeah, I don't, maybe technology's advanced quite a bit,
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.280]  but you can monitor your calls
[01:54:28.280 --> 01:54:29.840]  when they call on the answering machine
[01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.080]  and you can hear who it is.
[01:54:31.080 --> 01:54:32.920]  And it's usually a telemarketer,
[01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:34.520]  but it might be an IRS agent.
[01:54:34.520 --> 01:54:37.280]  It might be somebody pretending to be an IRS agent,
[01:54:37.280 --> 01:54:38.240]  even knocking at the doors.
[01:54:38.240 --> 01:54:40.440]  I'm sure there'll be whole new scams
[01:54:40.440 --> 01:54:42.920]  of people pretending to be IRS agents.
[01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:45.800]  So there's multiple reasons why a person
[01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:47.520]  doesn't need to even open the door.
[01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.280]  There's no crime against not talking.
[01:54:51.240 --> 01:54:54.720]  And, you know, and again, in the meantime,
[01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:57.440]  spend some time, you know, maybe on my website,
[01:54:57.440 --> 01:55:00.880]  I have links to other websites, your website,
[01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:02.440]  listen to your shows.
[01:55:02.440 --> 01:55:04.360]  Because even when you're interviewing
[01:55:04.360 --> 01:55:09.360]  CPS victims and AT and gun victims,
[01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:12.800]  it's really all the same dance card.
[01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:15.160]  You know, it's about, you do have rights.
[01:55:15.160 --> 01:55:19.440]  I mean, you know, as much as I've been harassed
[01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:22.000]  over my whistle blowing, you know,
[01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:25.240]  I still had a trial and there was a jury.
[01:55:25.240 --> 01:55:27.480]  And, you know, I didn't have to, in fact,
[01:55:27.480 --> 01:55:29.800]  I didn't testify and I was still acquitted.
[01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:33.680]  I was able to remain silent because the constitution
[01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:36.000]  acknowledges that I have that right.
[01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:40.040]  So, you know, we need to use the rights that we still have
[01:55:40.040 --> 01:55:42.640]  to fight for the rights that have been taken away
[01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:48.440]  and just fight, fight, fight, you know, the entire way
[01:55:48.440 --> 01:55:50.520]  and recognize that the government, you know,
[01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:53.720]  isn't your friend and the investigators have,
[01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:56.520]  they're looking for more hash marks to get their promotions
[01:55:57.560 --> 01:55:59.640]  and that they just do not have your best interest.
[01:56:00.480 --> 01:56:02.240]  Well, there are some, you know, that like, I believe,
[01:56:02.240 --> 01:56:05.800]  I went to a search warrant once as an IRS special agent
[01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:08.640]  and, you know, I was smiling and not like, you know,
[01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:11.600]  nasty kind of a smile, like, oh, we're getting you,
[01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:14.200]  but just like I had a demeanor like I do now, you know,
[01:56:14.200 --> 01:56:16.840]  just like I'm trying to do the right thing.
[01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:20.360]  And these other senior agents wanted to take a bunch
[01:56:20.360 --> 01:56:22.440]  of stuff, a bunch of assets that weren't
[01:56:22.440 --> 01:56:25.880]  on the search warrant to be taken.
[01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:29.600]  They basically just wanted to just ream these people
[01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:31.640]  by taking all their jewelry.
[01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:34.600]  And I happened to be the asset forfeiture coordinator
[01:56:34.600 --> 01:56:35.840]  at the time.
[01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:38.480]  And I said, we're not taking that stuff.
[01:56:38.480 --> 01:56:40.640]  We have no authority to take it.
[01:56:40.640 --> 01:56:43.120]  And he says, yes, we are, you know, I'm senior to you.
[01:56:43.120 --> 01:56:45.880]  I said, I'm the asset forfeiture coordinator
[01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:48.200]  and I have to inventory the stuff and explain
[01:56:48.200 --> 01:56:50.160]  and justify why we took it.
[01:56:50.160 --> 01:56:51.360]  We're not taking it.
[01:56:53.200 --> 01:56:54.080]  Well, good for you.
[01:56:54.080 --> 01:56:56.920]  Yeah, so asset forfeiture, that's one of the big things
[01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:57.760]  that's come in.
[01:56:58.480 --> 01:57:00.920]  IRS as well as the DEA,
[01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:03.160]  all these different organizations are doing it.
[01:57:03.160 --> 01:57:05.640]  Now we have in California, even a sheriff's office
[01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:08.640]  that is actually robbing armored cars
[01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:12.000]  and the pretense that this is contaminated money,
[01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:15.280]  even though the marijuana facility was legal there
[01:57:15.280 --> 01:57:17.280]  in California under federal law, it's not.
[01:57:17.280 --> 01:57:19.560]  So we're going to steal everything,
[01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:21.360]  everything in your armored car.
[01:57:21.360 --> 01:57:23.840]  It's just incredible what is happening now.
[01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:25.080]  But you know, one of the things,
[01:57:25.240 --> 01:57:28.320]  and I want to get your take on this, Stuart or Joe,
[01:57:28.320 --> 01:57:30.840]  is that, you know, we have...
[01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:34.600]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson and I want you to pause
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[01:59:10.200 --> 01:59:15.040]  We have a government that claims that the deficit doesn't matter anymore.
[01:59:15.040 --> 01:59:18.200]  This is a claim that was made during COVID by Republicans,
[01:59:18.240 --> 01:59:20.720]  by Trump and the other people who signed on to this.
[01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:22.760]  The only person who seemed to have a problem
[01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:27.400]  with the three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massie.
[01:59:27.400 --> 01:59:30.680]  And they were furious with him, tried to get him thrown out, especially Trump.
[01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:35.480]  And so with the Democrats, they've embraced this modern monetary theory.
[01:59:35.480 --> 01:59:39.520]  And they're adamant about the fact that the deficits don't matter whatsoever.
[01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:43.400]  And so then the question becomes, why do we even need to have any taxes?
[01:59:43.400 --> 01:59:45.920]  Is it just to take away all of our disposable income?
[01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:49.560]  I think that's one of the things that needs to be pointed out to some of these Republicans.
[01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:51.960]  It's like, if you guys don't really care the deficit matters,
[01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:56.200]  why are you pushing us on these taxes?
[01:59:56.200 --> 02:00:00.560]  They really don't have a rationale even for doing this
[02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:02.800]  because they're nowhere near balancing the budget.
[02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:05.080]  And they're never going to balance the budget.
[02:00:05.080 --> 02:00:05.680]  And they know that.
[02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:08.560]  That's why some of them are talking about having a constitutional convention
[02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:10.840]  in order to try to force a balanced budget.
[02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:13.560]  But of course, that in and of itself is a very dangerous thing.
[02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:15.680]  But they know that there isn't the will to balance the budget.
[02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:18.280]  So why are we doing the taxes?
[02:00:18.280 --> 02:00:19.440]  No, I totally agree.
[02:00:19.440 --> 02:00:24.440]  In fact, here I was with the CPA, got hired by the IRS.
[02:00:24.440 --> 02:00:31.280]  And all these things that, as we joked, were out of the conspiracy theory territory
[02:00:31.280 --> 02:00:35.920]  were all completely factual as far as the monetary system,
[02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:43.520]  the real purpose for the income tax to scrape off all that excess money printing
[02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:45.920]  to keep inflation under control.
[02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:50.640]  And when the government can borrow endlessly from the Federal Reserve
[02:00:50.640 --> 02:00:55.080]  to fund its operations, why is there a need for an income tax?
[02:00:55.080 --> 02:01:00.280]  Well, of course, it's because the Federal Reserve prints the money out of thin air
[02:01:00.280 --> 02:01:02.840]  and then lends it to the government.
[02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:07.520]  And the government's role is to, the point of a gun,
[02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:12.120]  bring the tax money back to the Federal Reserve in terms of interest payments.
[02:01:12.120 --> 02:01:12.880]  I agree.
[02:01:12.880 --> 02:01:17.960]  So it's too bad the public, I mean, there's some complexities to it.
[02:01:17.960 --> 02:01:22.280]  But books like Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin,
[02:01:22.280 --> 02:01:28.160]  America, Freedom to Fascism, a film that I was in back in 2006,
[02:01:28.160 --> 02:01:31.120]  there's all kinds of ways, really simple ways on the internet
[02:01:31.120 --> 02:01:33.640]  for people to get the basics.
[02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:35.880]  They just have to take the time to do so.
[02:01:35.880 --> 02:01:36.840]  I agree.
[02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:40.600]  Yeah, you're talking about G. Edward Griffin's book, Creature
[02:01:40.600 --> 02:01:42.600]  from Jekyll Island and some of these other things.
[02:01:42.600 --> 02:01:47.880]  I'm about ready to have another resetting of the dollar
[02:01:47.880 --> 02:01:52.920]  in the same way that Nixon took us off of the gold standard
[02:01:52.920 --> 02:01:55.880]  and put us on to the petrodollar and that type of thing.
[02:01:55.880 --> 02:01:57.440]  Central bank digital currency.
[02:01:57.440 --> 02:01:59.560]  And you know, when I think about the central bank digital currency
[02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:03.680]  and their ability to preemptively control everything that we spend
[02:02:03.680 --> 02:02:10.000]  and to be able to confiscate money just at a flick of a switch from us,
[02:02:10.040 --> 02:02:13.520]  what happens to the IRS when they go to a central bank digital currency?
[02:02:13.520 --> 02:02:15.440]  Are these people going to become like Uber drivers
[02:02:15.440 --> 02:02:20.280]  when they go to fully automated taxicabs, Johnny cabs?
[02:02:20.280 --> 02:02:25.120]  Well, one thing you can bet on, at least in all my experience and research,
[02:02:25.120 --> 02:02:29.280]  is that they're very forward thinking in the government.
[02:02:29.280 --> 02:02:32.840]  And so, in fact, like in 1998, when I was there,
[02:02:32.840 --> 02:02:36.160]  they had the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act.
[02:02:36.200 --> 02:02:43.080]  So the oxymoronic names of bills like the Inflation Reduction Act,
[02:02:43.080 --> 02:02:47.920]  the Restruction Reform Act was not about restructuring and reforming the IRS.
[02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:52.920]  It was really about hiding their tracks from stuff they had done in the past.
[02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:57.960]  But they always put the pearls around the pig's neck to make it look good.
[02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:02.160]  But I have a feeling that those 87,000 agents in this uptick in IRS,
[02:03:02.160 --> 02:03:09.720]  it's about being there and being ready when the turmoil hits with the bad currency
[02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:16.200]  and knowing that people are going to maybe not pay their tax bills so that they can survive.
[02:03:16.200 --> 02:03:21.040]  And they need these agents who are going to be there ready to take your property
[02:03:21.040 --> 02:03:23.640]  if you don't cooperate, even if you don't have the money to pay.
[02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:25.440]  I agree. Yeah, taking your property.
[02:03:25.440 --> 02:03:29.520]  And here's where I put on my conspiracy theory tinfoil hat.
[02:03:29.560 --> 02:03:35.360]  I think that what's going to happen is this army of IRS agents are being prepared
[02:03:35.360 --> 02:03:40.640]  to try to take assets away from people who are going to be outside of the CBDC.
[02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:45.960]  That's going to be something that people are going to try to avoid like the plague,
[02:03:45.960 --> 02:03:51.000]  even more so than any plague that they invent.
[02:03:51.000 --> 02:03:53.080]  I mean, I wasn't trying to avoid the plague myself
[02:03:53.080 --> 02:03:55.200]  because I didn't believe there was a plague when it was going through.
[02:03:55.200 --> 02:03:59.400]  But I think that when they push this CBDC through,
[02:03:59.400 --> 02:04:02.160]  they're going to have to have two different aspects of it.
[02:04:02.160 --> 02:04:06.320]  One of them is going to be, OK, here's the thing and we want you to do this.
[02:04:06.320 --> 02:04:09.040]  And then we're going to incentivize it for a little while
[02:04:09.040 --> 02:04:13.440]  and try to get as many people using it as we saw with the vaccines, right?
[02:04:13.440 --> 02:04:15.280]  They're going to say, well, this is great. You ought to have it.
[02:04:15.280 --> 02:04:16.480]  It's going to save your life.
[02:04:16.480 --> 02:04:19.600]  Then the next step is we'll have a lottery here.
[02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:24.880]  And, you know, you have a chance of winning lots of money if you take the vaccine.
[02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:29.560]  I think the correlation to that with the CBDC will be that they will say,
[02:04:29.560 --> 02:04:31.680]  well, we're going to make it so much easier for you.
[02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:36.680]  They might even throw in some cash bonuses if you use the CBDC at the beginning.
[02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:39.840]  But then you're going to get to the point where they're going to try to coerce you.
[02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:42.520]  And I think that's where this army of IRS agents are coming in.
[02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:44.320]  I think that's the forward thinking part about it.
[02:04:44.320 --> 02:04:47.400]  People are looking at this and say, wow, they're really going to make our life hell with this.
[02:04:47.400 --> 02:04:53.400]  I think the making your life hell is going to be using this army of IRS agents
[02:04:53.400 --> 02:05:02.760]  to attack us if we try to have an economy that is outside of the CBDC.
[02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:04.480]  Do you agree? What do you think?
[02:05:04.480 --> 02:05:06.520]  I do very much.
[02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:10.720]  But as I know, you're on board with this. We're Americans.
[02:05:10.720 --> 02:05:12.240]  We don't give up. That's right.
[02:05:12.240 --> 02:05:16.280]  We might be collectively way too apathetic.
[02:05:16.280 --> 02:05:21.680]  We've let the cancer grow way too far throughout the body.
[02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:23.160]  But we don't give up.
[02:05:23.160 --> 02:05:27.720]  And people like yourself, all the whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs
[02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:31.640]  and the gain of function research and all that stuff,
[02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:35.440]  that's from brave people who said, I need to tell my neighbor.
[02:05:35.440 --> 02:05:40.320]  I need to tell my neighbor because I care about my neighbor that this shot is a death shot
[02:05:40.320 --> 02:05:47.320]  or that this income tax is a scam or that the IRS agents, you don't have to talk to them.
[02:05:47.320 --> 02:05:51.320]  Get out, spend a little more time on protecting yourself and your family
[02:05:51.320 --> 02:05:55.800]  because the resources are out there, including the David Knight show.
[02:05:55.800 --> 02:06:00.720]  And maybe a little less of the football games and things like that.
[02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:04.360]  And you might find that we can actually affect a change for the better.
[02:06:04.360 --> 02:06:09.360]  I agree. Yeah, I think it's going to be it's going to have to be an education thing.
[02:06:09.360 --> 02:06:14.720]  And we're going to have to warn people about the possibility of how this is going to be used.
[02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:17.760]  Tell them about how this is currently being abused.
[02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:23.120]  And it's going to be a life saving issue, just like this vaccination thing was.
[02:06:23.120 --> 02:06:27.200]  We go back and we look at this and it breaks my heart to see all the people
[02:06:27.200 --> 02:06:30.880]  who have been killed and injured with this and who continually,
[02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:36.560]  who continue to be misguided with all this and continue to live in fear.
[02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:38.160]  And we have to push back against this.
[02:06:38.160 --> 02:06:41.920]  And I think a key thing is going to be educating people around us
[02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:46.440]  and our group of people that we have influence with as well as we can.
[02:06:46.440 --> 02:06:52.680]  And it's also going to be making sure that we have good people in local offices.
[02:06:52.680 --> 02:06:57.400]  I've been telling people, Joe, that I think it's far more important
[02:06:57.400 --> 02:07:00.440]  who your sheriff is than who's sitting in the Oval Office,
[02:07:00.440 --> 02:07:03.520]  because that's really going to be more protection for you.
[02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:07.240]  Or it's going to make things a lot worse for you if the wrong person gets in,
[02:07:07.240 --> 02:07:13.520]  depending on then who is in the Oval Office or who is even in the state capital.
[02:07:13.560 --> 02:07:16.560]  It's going to be the local officials who will have your back
[02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:20.200]  or who will be beating you on the back at a higher rate.
[02:07:20.200 --> 02:07:21.600]  And I think that's the key thing.
[02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:28.640]  You look at 87,000 new IRS agents and yet there's a lot more local law enforcement officials
[02:07:28.640 --> 02:07:32.800]  at the sheriff's level and things like that that could protect us against this
[02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:36.640]  if they understand that we're all in this together.
[02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:40.080]  Yes, in fact, maybe you've interviewed them once or more than once,
[02:07:41.040 --> 02:07:43.760]  former sheriff in Arizona.
[02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:49.600]  He's got the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, or CSPOA.org.
[02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:53.920]  And that's exactly the kind of, at least an organized effort.
[02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:57.600]  Any effort is good, but that's an organized effort to reach out
[02:07:57.600 --> 02:08:01.760]  to each and every sheriff across the country, excess of 3,000 of them.
[02:08:03.280 --> 02:08:09.040]  Because one of the many things I admire about you is reminding people about acting locally.
[02:08:10.080 --> 02:08:15.920]  Because how much change you can really affect locally just with a sheriff's office.
[02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:19.120]  So, yeah, people might check out.
[02:08:19.120 --> 02:08:20.000]  And that's a key thing.
[02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:23.040]  We can be caught up so much in the personalities and the politics
[02:08:23.040 --> 02:08:27.440]  and they want to direct us continually to Washington,
[02:08:27.440 --> 02:08:30.160]  where we have the least ability to affect anything
[02:08:30.160 --> 02:08:32.000]  because it is so distant from us.
[02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:38.720]  And not just geographically, but there's so many different levels away from us
[02:08:38.720 --> 02:08:43.760]  that it is very difficult to have any kind of a chance to change anything there.
[02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:46.880]  And the whole situation is very rigged.
[02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:48.560]  Even if we want to have an honest election,
[02:08:49.120 --> 02:08:51.840]  that's something that we're going to have to work for at the local level.
[02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:55.120]  They don't want us having relationships with each other.
[02:08:55.120 --> 02:08:58.160]  They want us connected to them in a centralized way
[02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:01.200]  through Zoom and other things like that,
[02:09:01.200 --> 02:09:04.480]  rather than having face-to-face meetings with other people.
[02:09:04.480 --> 02:09:05.920]  And that's going to be the key thing.
[02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:10.640]  But I really do think that that is one of the most dangerous ways
[02:09:10.640 --> 02:09:13.120]  that this army of IRS agents are going to be used.
[02:09:13.120 --> 02:09:19.760]  And that is to try to shut down any alternative economy that would exist.
[02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:22.000]  And I think that's going to go for cryptocurrency.
[02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:25.040]  I think it's going to go for people who try to do anything
[02:09:25.040 --> 02:09:27.440]  in terms of a barter and local community.
[02:09:27.440 --> 02:09:29.600]  I think that's what they've got this army of agents for.
[02:09:29.600 --> 02:09:34.000]  That's my just spidey sense about this, if you will.
[02:09:34.960 --> 02:09:38.000]  I can't prove it yet, but I think we'll watch this space
[02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:39.840]  and I think we're going to see some evidence coming.
[02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:41.520]  Well, it's great talking to you, Joe.
[02:09:41.520 --> 02:09:42.560]  We're going to get you on again.
[02:09:44.320 --> 02:09:45.600]  Hey, it's Ben Ferguson.
[02:09:45.600 --> 02:09:48.800]  And I want you to pause what you're doing for just one minute.
[02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:51.680]  And I want you to hear about Alejandra.
[02:09:51.680 --> 02:09:55.120]  She lives in a remote community with very few resources
[02:09:55.120 --> 02:09:57.040]  and little to no health care.
[02:09:57.600 --> 02:10:01.760]  So when Alejandra gets sick, her parents have no real options,
[02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:03.680]  no doctors in their community.
[02:10:04.240 --> 02:10:06.800]  And no money for real medical care.
[02:10:07.360 --> 02:10:10.160]  By the third day, her body was shutting down.
[02:10:10.160 --> 02:10:12.880]  She woke up and just long enough to tell her mom,
[02:10:13.440 --> 02:10:16.240]  I can't take the pain anymore.
[02:10:16.240 --> 02:10:17.440]  I can't keep going.
[02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:22.320]  Her parents drove hours to find a doctor who tried everything,
[02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:24.640]  but she needed a private hospital.
[02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:28.160]  And that was impossible for her family to afford.
[02:10:28.160 --> 02:10:31.920]  And that is when Compassion International stepped in.
[02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:35.120]  Now, through Compassion, Alejandra was treated
[02:10:35.120 --> 02:10:38.240]  and against all odds, she survived.
[02:10:38.240 --> 02:10:41.600]  She lived because someone just like you took action.
[02:10:42.240 --> 02:10:46.080]  Right now, unfortunately, there are children just like Alejandra
[02:10:46.080 --> 02:10:49.280]  who won't survive unless someone like you steps in.
[02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:53.600]  Compassion International partners with local churches,
[02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:56.160]  providing children with the support that they need.
[02:10:56.720 --> 02:11:02.320]  Critical medical care plus food, education, and the hope of the gospel.
[02:11:02.960 --> 02:11:04.800]  All in Jesus' name.
[02:11:04.800 --> 02:11:08.000]  So help a child just like Alejandra today.
[02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:11.120]  You can visit Compassion.com.
[02:11:11.120 --> 02:11:13.200]  That's Compassion.com.
[02:11:26.160 --> 02:11:46.160]  Agent for Truth is where people can find you
[02:11:46.160 --> 02:11:49.520]  and the name of the book that they can find there at agentfortruth.com.
[02:11:50.320 --> 02:11:54.160]  Investigating the federal income tax, a report to the American people.
[02:11:54.160 --> 02:11:54.960]  Good, good.
[02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:55.520]  Absolutely.
[02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:56.240]  You've been there.
[02:11:56.240 --> 02:11:57.200]  You've walked the walk.
[02:11:57.200 --> 02:11:58.640]  You've kept your integrity.
[02:11:58.640 --> 02:12:00.880]  I have the utmost admiration for you, Joe.
[02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:02.080]  I appreciate what you've done.
[02:12:03.040 --> 02:12:05.840]  And it has its own reward.
[02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:09.360]  I know it's been tough for you, but it has its own reward.
[02:12:09.360 --> 02:12:13.120]  And you have kept your integrity.
[02:12:13.120 --> 02:12:14.720]  And that's the best any of us can do.
[02:12:14.720 --> 02:12:15.760]  Thank you for what you do.
[02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:16.320]  Appreciate that.
[02:12:16.320 --> 02:12:17.920]  I admire you too, David.
[02:12:17.920 --> 02:12:19.040]  Thank you very much for having me.
[02:12:19.040 --> 02:12:29.760]  Well, thank you.
[02:12:29.760 --> 02:12:30.640]  The Common Man.
[02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:36.960]  They created Common Core to dumb down our children.
[02:12:36.960 --> 02:12:40.160]  They created Common Pass to track and control us.
[02:12:40.160 --> 02:12:44.080]  Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing.
[02:12:44.960 --> 02:12:46.480]  And the communist future.
[02:12:46.720 --> 02:12:50.320]  They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary.
[02:12:51.200 --> 02:12:55.920]  But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
[02:12:57.920 --> 02:12:59.600]  That is what we have in common.
[02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:01.680]  That is what they want to take away.
[02:13:02.400 --> 02:13:06.960]  Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
[02:13:07.520 --> 02:13:12.160]  They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us.
[02:13:13.120 --> 02:13:15.600]  It's time to turn that around and agree.
[02:13:16.080 --> 02:13:18.160]  And expose what they want to hide.
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[02:14:03.200 --> 02:14:05.760]  We have now joining us Steve Malloy.
[02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:12.240]  His site is JunkScience.com and Steve is one of the best researchers out there debunking
[02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:16.720]  the lies of climate and the rest of this stuff and what is going on with the EPA.
[02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:18.880]  So I want to talk to him about several things today.
[02:14:19.600 --> 02:14:23.280]  It is rumored that maybe as early as today but sometime
[02:14:23.840 --> 02:14:31.840]  imminently the Democrats are pushing Biden to declare an emergency and to use his now,
[02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:38.400]  I guess, the well-established precedent of an executive order to do whatever he wants.
[02:14:38.400 --> 02:14:40.880]  And so we're talking to Steve about that.
[02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:42.000]  Thank you for joining us, Steve.
[02:14:43.200 --> 02:14:43.680]  Hey, Dave.
[02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:44.720]  Thanks for having me.
[02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:48.880]  I want to start with something that you found that's on JunkScience.com.
[02:14:48.880 --> 02:14:49.840]  I thought it was really good.
[02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:52.960]  A conservative climate class episode number one.
[02:14:53.760 --> 02:14:57.360]  And you said you're watching Fox News outnumbered.
[02:14:57.360 --> 02:15:00.480]  And before we talk about this and you said look at this clip
[02:15:01.200 --> 02:15:05.840]  and what is wrong here that is happening on Fox News.
[02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:12.320]  They did an episode about the climate radicals from the UK going from town to town
[02:15:12.320 --> 02:15:19.360]  and letting the air out of SUVs, letting the air out of the tires of SUVs and putting a,
[02:15:20.480 --> 02:15:24.480]  you know, a flyer on the windshield lecturing them about climate damage.
[02:15:24.480 --> 02:15:30.400]  But I'm going to play this clip and then let you comment about what happened on Fox
[02:15:30.400 --> 02:15:36.960]  News. So here's a clip that Steve Malloy found on the outnumbered show on Fox News.
[02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:41.520]  The eco warriors known as the tire extinguishers are moving across the US.
[02:15:41.520 --> 02:15:47.920]  In June, they targeted dozens of SUVs in New York City, sneakily letting the air out of tires.
[02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:50.320]  And their deflating tour is picking up speed.
[02:15:50.320 --> 02:15:55.280]  They're hitting other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania.
[02:15:55.280 --> 02:15:59.280]  And the tire extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets on the windshields of the cars that
[02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:03.600]  they vandalize, reading in part, attention, your gas guzzler kills.
[02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:08.400]  We have deflated one or more of your tires. You'll be angry, but don't take it personally.
[02:16:08.400 --> 02:16:14.640]  It's not you. It's your car. This is a machine that destroys life with terrifying efficiency.
[02:16:14.640 --> 02:16:19.200]  So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting to places in an emergency,
[02:16:19.200 --> 02:16:24.320]  but I don't want to distract from the actual point that they're trying to make here.
[02:16:24.320 --> 02:16:25.680]  Is this peaceful protesting?
[02:16:26.320 --> 02:16:29.920]  This would probably not fall under civil disobedience is my understanding,
[02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:32.560]  but I'm not a scholar exactly on where the line is.
[02:16:32.560 --> 02:16:36.880]  But I do want to point out that there has been protesting.
[02:16:36.880 --> 02:16:40.800]  There has been a tremendous amount of effort from youth, primarily worldwide,
[02:16:40.800 --> 02:16:45.360]  who have called attention to the climate crisis, which often gets denied sadly on this network.
[02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:49.920]  And to your point about the can and the leather and that you're the faster runner, I'm sure that's
[02:16:49.920 --> 02:16:55.280]  fact. But the idea that we have a different relationship with fur today, thank you.
[02:16:55.280 --> 02:16:56.400]  How about that? It's my jacket.
[02:16:56.400 --> 02:16:59.600]  It's not to say that I'm not wearing leather on my shoes, but I just want to point out.
[02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:02.880]  How about that? I brought it. It's my property and you don't get to damage it,
[02:17:02.880 --> 02:17:05.840]  and nor would I damage your property ever in disagreement.
[02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:09.680]  I think it's really important that we make sure that we keep this specific conversation on
[02:17:10.240 --> 02:17:12.000]  the climate crisis that we're facing.
[02:17:13.600 --> 02:17:19.040]  Okay. All right. So Steve Malloy found that and he put that out and he said,
[02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:22.320]  see if you can guess what the problem is. What is the problem there, Steve? Tell our audience.
[02:17:23.040 --> 02:17:29.280]  Well, the problem is that these four very conservative people on Fox News point out
[02:17:29.280 --> 02:17:35.520]  rightly how wrong it is what these climate terrorists have been doing in England and
[02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:39.920]  have now brought to America. And it's all indefensible. But then of course,
[02:17:40.480 --> 02:17:46.000]  the leftist panel member that they have on the show just starts talking climate crisis,
[02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:52.320]  climate crisis, and she keeps saying climate crisis and how then she justifies what these
[02:17:52.320 --> 02:17:58.320]  climate terrorists are doing by saying climate crisis. And so she tries to outflank them that
[02:17:58.320 --> 02:18:05.600]  way. And what was disturbing to me is that none of the four conservative panelists on that show,
[02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:12.880]  you went after her for claiming climate crisis. There's no climate crisis. What's the climate
[02:18:12.880 --> 02:18:18.080]  crisis? Describe it. It's summertime. It's hot in some places like it always is.
[02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:26.960]  And so it just struck me climate is a lot like these stolen 2020 election conservatives. I'm
[02:18:26.960 --> 02:18:33.040]  not really allowed to challenge the basic. You're not allowed to challenge the notion that Biden
[02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:39.840]  won. And you're not allowed to challenge the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are destroying the
[02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:45.680]  planet. And I just, you know, it's either it's either out of ignorance, or they've been intimidated
[02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:51.280]  or told not to talk about it. But I just find it very disturbing that and I'm watching the news
[02:18:51.280 --> 02:18:58.000]  today. And it's the same. You know, we have these heat waves going on in Europe and in America. And
[02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:03.040]  of course, yeah, it's hot there. It's hot here. But it's cool everywhere else on the on the planet.
[02:19:03.760 --> 02:19:12.640]  Today's global warming is about 0.36 Fahrenheit warmer than the 1979 2000 average. I mean, it's
[02:19:12.640 --> 02:19:17.200]  not even really measurable. Yeah, it's hot in some places, but it's cool in others.
[02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:22.240]  Yeah, I want to get back. I want to get you got some great articles about Lake Mead and
[02:19:22.240 --> 02:19:25.760]  about the Great Salt Lake and all the different narratives that are being put out there. I don't
[02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:30.000]  want to get into that. But you know, before we get away from this thing here, it's just amazing
[02:19:30.000 --> 02:19:34.720]  to me as you pointed out, they're not getting at the fundamental issue. They're looking at the
[02:19:34.720 --> 02:19:40.320]  sizzle and not at the stake, because they're focused on things that are going to draw people
[02:19:40.320 --> 02:19:45.760]  in. They're focused on things that are going to be sensational for the viewers. And they're also,
[02:19:45.760 --> 02:19:51.280]  as you pointed out, the fundamental thing is not allowed to be challenged. Just as we've seen for
[02:19:51.280 --> 02:19:57.280]  the last two years, you can't challenge the fundamental statements about the vaccine or what
[02:19:57.280 --> 02:20:01.760]  you can't challenge the mask or the or the mandates. You can't challenge any of these.
[02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:06.800]  That's all off limits. So you can kind of, you know, move around this and say things like, well,
[02:20:06.800 --> 02:20:10.320]  you know, you can't talk about whether the vaccine works or whether it's safe, but you can say, but
[02:20:10.320 --> 02:20:16.080]  but if I've had COVID, I shouldn't be mandated to take it. Should I natural immunity? That's a side
[02:20:16.080 --> 02:20:23.040]  issue. These guys are focused on whether or not this is as she falsely said, and that person was
[02:20:23.040 --> 02:20:30.160]  Gina Arnold. I'd never seen her before. What an annoying speaker she is. Not just what she says,
[02:20:30.160 --> 02:20:39.040]  but the way she says it, the vocal fry. She's the one who's staying though, as annoying as she is,
[02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:46.400]  she's the one who stays focused on the issue. Yeah. You know, she knows that what the tire
[02:20:46.400 --> 02:20:52.720]  extinguishers are doing is wrong. She knows that, but she's nonetheless going to outflank them.
[02:20:52.720 --> 02:21:02.400]  She knows that you, no one on that panel either has to, or is allowed to, or has to challenge
[02:21:02.400 --> 02:21:08.080]  the basic notion that climate is a hoax. It's a hoax. It's not a crisis. You know, on that,
[02:21:08.080 --> 02:21:12.320]  on that show, David Webb, who I love, who's a very conservative guy, who knows that climate is
[02:21:12.320 --> 02:21:19.440]  nonsense. You know, he starts to sort of talk about EV waste and, you know, solar panel waste or
[02:21:19.440 --> 02:21:26.880]  something. He's not talking about climate though. Climate hysteria is a hoax. And if the, you know,
[02:21:26.880 --> 02:21:31.760]  they should know that, like, you know, they know lots of other politics really well. They should
[02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:36.320]  know that if they don't shame on them for talking about this, but not knowing anything about the
[02:21:36.320 --> 02:21:40.480]  issue. That's right. Yeah. And they, they challenge her. She kind of throws it out as, I guess,
[02:21:40.480 --> 02:21:45.280]  maybe a red herring. You know, well, I think this is covered under civil disobedience. It's like,
[02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:49.600]  you're not civilly disobeying the government. You're attacking somebody's property. And he
[02:21:49.600 --> 02:21:54.560]  made that point, but they get, that's a side issue. The issue, as you pointed out, is the climate
[02:21:54.560 --> 02:22:01.840]  issue. You've got a great article also at junkscience.com. What is going to happen now
[02:22:02.480 --> 02:22:09.600]  after this Supreme court decision that says the EPA has usurped authority that it doesn't have?
[02:22:09.600 --> 02:22:15.680]  Your title is SCOTUS has crippled Biden's EPA, but there's only one way to stop them for good.
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[02:23:56.160 --> 02:24:01.840]  Well, you know, so the Supreme Court said that basically the Biden administration cannot regulate
[02:24:01.840 --> 02:24:08.160]  climate unless Congress allows them to. And in doing that, Congress destroyed the Obama
[02:24:08.880 --> 02:24:14.400]  Clean Power Plan, which was regulating coal plants issued in 2015, which helped cause the
[02:24:14.400 --> 02:24:20.080]  destruction of the U.S. coal industry, killed 50,000 coal, high paying coal miner jobs,
[02:24:20.080 --> 02:24:25.200]  devastated communities, etc. So now, you know, where do those people go back go,
[02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:32.240]  go to recoup their losses, you know, from this illegal government action? But so despite that,
[02:24:32.240 --> 02:24:37.360]  you know, Biden is set today to, you know, announce that he doesn't care what the Supreme
[02:24:37.360 --> 02:24:42.320]  Court says, he doesn't care what Congress says, he's going to go off and do climate by himself.
[02:24:43.040 --> 02:24:51.520]  And, you know, I mean, this is crazy. We have a totally rogue regime in place.
[02:24:51.520 --> 02:24:56.720]  That's right. Yeah, you're right. Actually, you quote the six to three majority that said
[02:24:56.720 --> 02:25:03.120]  Congress did not grant EPA the authority to devise emissions caps based on the generation
[02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:09.520]  shifting approach that the agency took to the Clean Power Plan. But as you also point out,
[02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:13.920]  the Biden EPA doesn't really care. They'll just find another way to shut these things down.
[02:25:13.920 --> 02:25:19.760]  You know, when you talk about what happened with coal, and we look at how this energy shock,
[02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:26.000]  the fuel shock is just going throughout our entire economy, oil, gas, all the rest of these things,
[02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:33.760]  but also coal, I reminded Steve of back in 1979, when we had the OPEC shock to our energy systems,
[02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:37.360]  they were saying, well, we're going to be out of oil and natural gas by the mid 1980s. That was
[02:25:37.360 --> 02:25:42.080]  time and Newsweek. I've shown that cover many times on my show. But then inside of it, they said,
[02:25:42.080 --> 02:25:49.760]  but we've got 666 years of coal. And so 666, right? So we got to get rid of the coal. That was,
[02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:53.920]  they didn't say that, but that's what they focused on first, because we had so much coal,
[02:25:53.920 --> 02:25:59.520]  they had to do that. This is a deliberate program of shutting down our lives. I think I've said
[02:25:59.520 --> 02:26:04.240]  many times, it's not about the emissions. It's about the omissions. They want to omit all of
[02:26:04.240 --> 02:26:09.360]  this from our life, don't they? Yeah. And it's not, at least with Jimmy Carter,
[02:26:10.160 --> 02:26:16.560]  Jimmy Carter was just incompetent. But he did do one thing, in response to the 1970s oil crisis,
[02:26:17.120 --> 02:26:28.000]  Congress passed and Jimmy Carter signed a law that shifted emphasis towards coal for producing
[02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:33.360]  electricity and away from oil and gas, which was very expensive at the time. And that lasted until
[02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:39.440]  the Obama administration was completely obliterated. Now here we have another energy crisis and we
[02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:46.320]  still have all this coal and we have even more oil and gas. And is Joe Biden tapping any of it
[02:26:46.320 --> 02:26:52.400]  to lower energy prices to control inflation? No, he's doing everything he can to make it worse.
[02:26:54.560 --> 02:26:58.640]  If he declares a climate emergency or whatever executive action he's going to try to do,
[02:26:59.600 --> 02:27:04.800]  he's just going to make gas prices go higher. He's going to make electricity prices go higher.
[02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:10.000]  He is not incentivized at all. The most important thing for him is his climate agenda.
[02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:14.560]  The rest of us be damned. Oh yeah. Oh, it's a deliberate deconstruction of our society.
[02:27:14.560 --> 02:27:21.600]  I compare him to Nero all the time. Setting fires to burn down our society and then pointing to
[02:27:21.600 --> 02:27:26.880]  other people. I didn't do it. He did it. He's an arsonist. He's an arsonist to our society.
[02:27:27.440 --> 02:27:31.680]  You say there's another case that is coming up before the Supreme Court
[02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:39.440]  that is very important. Tell people about that. Like Obama did, Obama was stopped legislatively
[02:27:39.440 --> 02:27:45.200]  on climate and so what he did then was shift to the EPA where he launched his war on coal.
[02:27:46.320 --> 02:27:52.240]  He issued the Clean Power Plan and other regulations which were just devastating to
[02:27:52.240 --> 02:27:58.400]  the coal industry. Unnecessarily devastating produced nothing. Now Joe Biden has been stopped
[02:28:00.000 --> 02:28:07.360]  legislatively in Congress also so he's going back to the EPA. Now what he's going to do is he's
[02:28:07.360 --> 02:28:16.640]  going to try to control coal plant emissions through this back door of air quality. To do that,
[02:28:16.640 --> 02:28:24.000]  he's got to have the scientific sort of peer review done by a congressionally mandated
[02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:27.680]  review panel. It's called the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now
[02:28:29.360 --> 02:28:36.240]  when Biden came into office, he fired the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and then
[02:28:36.240 --> 02:28:43.360]  reconstituted it and the people he reconstituted with are EPA cronies. People who have received
[02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:48.320]  tens of millions of dollars in EPA grants. Now the law requires that these people be
[02:28:48.880 --> 02:28:54.000]  independent and the panel be independent and balanced but of course it's not because it's
[02:28:55.920 --> 02:29:04.240]  nothing but these EPA cronies. There's a lawsuit right now about this. It's called Young v. EPA.
[02:29:04.240 --> 02:29:11.680]  It was argued in federal court in D.C. last December. We are waiting for a decision at any
[02:29:11.680 --> 02:29:17.920]  moment now. Now if that decision comes down, it's going to completely stop the Biden EPA from this
[02:29:17.920 --> 02:29:22.640]  from trying to regulate climate through the back door of air quality but we're just going to have
[02:29:22.640 --> 02:29:28.880]  to see what happens. Now that's at a U.S. District Court for Washington D.C. Is that a left-leaning
[02:29:28.880 --> 02:29:34.400]  court? Is that likely that they're going to call him on that? I know that you know it would look
[02:29:34.400 --> 02:29:38.960]  a little bit better if it was going to go to the Supreme Court. Is that a court that you think is
[02:29:38.960 --> 02:29:44.640]  going to lean left however and support Biden? Well it's hard to tell. The judge we have was
[02:29:44.640 --> 02:29:54.960]  appointed by Donald Trump so that could be good. You know federal court decisions
[02:29:56.240 --> 02:30:01.920]  regardless of who appoints a judge are often hard to predict so we're just going to have to see.
[02:30:02.640 --> 02:30:09.200]  I think the case is open and shut. I mean it's clear that EPA has illegally stacked these panels.
[02:30:10.480 --> 02:30:18.640]  The plaintiff is good. He has standing. The judge although he turned down the plaintiff's request
[02:30:18.640 --> 02:30:25.600]  for a temporary restraining order against EPA at the time which was February, he told EPA that
[02:30:25.600 --> 02:30:31.600]  you know EPA if you continue down this road you run the risk of having it all over. So that's kind
[02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:36.320]  of a good sign but we'll see. Yeah well you know as I've said many times when we put these things
[02:30:37.600 --> 02:30:40.960]  sent it to a court it's kind of like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to
[02:30:40.960 --> 02:30:45.920]  get right? It's like the Supreme Court you know just when you think you got these guys figured out
[02:30:45.920 --> 02:30:51.840]  they go off in a completely different direction. But you know it's now I guess this climate
[02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:58.320]  emergency and we can talk about how it's not an emergency in a minute but let's talk about what
[02:30:58.320 --> 02:31:03.920]  the Democrats are trying to get Biden to do as they're screaming emergency emergency. What is
[02:31:03.920 --> 02:31:12.400]  it that they're hoping he's going to do by executive fiat? Well I don't even think they know
[02:31:12.400 --> 02:31:18.160]  and that's why well that's why today you know he's going to be speaking in Massachusetts
[02:31:19.040 --> 02:31:22.800]  about climate and they were hoping he would announce an emergency but it doesn't look like
[02:31:22.800 --> 02:31:28.720]  he's going to because he doesn't really know what he can do. You know he can as we mentioned
[02:31:28.720 --> 02:31:36.240]  earlier you know he can try to regulate climate through the back door at EPA. You know he could
[02:31:36.240 --> 02:31:45.360]  he could possibly you know do something to halt oil drilling gas drilling on federal lands offshore
[02:31:45.360 --> 02:31:50.480]  onshore but does he really want to do that during an oil crisis? I mean that would be pretty you
[02:31:50.480 --> 02:31:56.000]  know Biden says I'm doing everything I can to reduce gas prices and it's not really true but
[02:31:56.000 --> 02:32:03.600]  I mean that would be really openly hostile to stop oil drilling. I don't know you know I don't know
[02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:09.280]  if you want to talk about this later but you know the New York Times just released a poll which I
[02:32:09.280 --> 02:32:13.920]  had to dig on their website to find it and I only accidentally came across this. They did a poll with
[02:32:13.920 --> 02:32:22.960]  Siena College and reported that among voters only one percent that's right only one percent
[02:32:22.960 --> 02:32:30.400]  prioritized climate and if you look at the cross tabulations in the age group 45 to 64 it was zero
[02:32:30.400 --> 02:32:36.400]  percent and among Latinos it was zero percent and of course among Republicans it was zero percent
[02:32:37.360 --> 02:32:42.160]  whereas you know it's like 35 percent prioritized the economy and inflation.
[02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:49.520]  Yeah absolutely I've talked about this and the fact that you know it's the economy stupid. For
[02:32:49.520 --> 02:32:53.760]  the longest time we've you know this is the old axiom that goes back to the Clinton administration
[02:32:53.760 --> 02:32:57.440]  when he was running for reelection he had the Monica Lewinsky scandals and all the rest of
[02:32:57.440 --> 02:33:04.480]  this stuff and being investigated and impeached and you know and what was happening in Europe
[02:33:04.480 --> 02:33:08.880]  but none of that stuff mattered it was the economy but you know Biden's got exactly the
[02:33:08.880 --> 02:33:15.520]  opposite problem and everybody is upset about the economy. I mean it is virtually they broke that
[02:33:15.520 --> 02:33:20.400]  down if it's the same poll that I saw they broke down the economy in about four or five different
[02:33:20.400 --> 02:33:25.440]  categories and you total up all the cons and those are the top ones and if you total up all
[02:33:25.440 --> 02:33:30.560]  those different facets of the economy that people are worried about that's pretty much everything
[02:33:30.560 --> 02:33:35.120]  that everybody is concerned about right now but he's going to focus on the zero to one percent
[02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:42.080]  concern that is out there so hopefully that will not work out right. Well yeah you know I think
[02:33:42.080 --> 02:33:46.880]  that one percent that is you know prioritizes climate I think they all work in the media and
[02:33:46.880 --> 02:33:53.040]  the White House. That's right. I mean these people live in a bubble that is unimaginable. Well you
[02:33:53.040 --> 02:33:57.360]  know when they're talking about this though as you point out they don't even know what he's going
[02:33:57.360 --> 02:34:02.720]  to be able to do but they want him to declare an emergency because this is now the way that we're
[02:34:02.720 --> 02:34:06.560]  all governed you know and I've talked about this for the longest time I got a clip from the Russians
[02:34:06.560 --> 02:34:12.320]  are coming the Russians are coming everybody to get from it's an emergency right and so this is
[02:34:12.320 --> 02:34:17.920]  the type of thing they just declare an emergency then that supposedly gives them the ability to
[02:34:17.920 --> 02:34:22.880]  just you know act as a dictator and so that's really what they're they're saying we want you
[02:34:22.880 --> 02:34:26.800]  to become a climate dictator. You know Steve I've talked about this many times I call it the
[02:34:27.440 --> 02:34:32.720]  the climate MacGuffin just like we had a COVID MacGuffin Hitchcock talked about how the MacGuffin
[02:34:32.720 --> 02:34:36.800]  was this imaginary thing that motivated all the characters didn't really matter what it was
[02:34:37.360 --> 02:34:40.800]  as long as people didn't ask too many questions about it you know it just had to motivate the
[02:34:40.800 --> 02:34:45.600]  characters and we've seen this you and I have been watching this climate stuff for a long time
[02:34:45.600 --> 02:34:50.240]  and so we've seen how it's going to be global cooling then it was going to be global warming
[02:34:50.240 --> 02:34:55.040]  and then it was going to be just climate change but it was always the same thing that had to be
[02:34:55.040 --> 02:35:00.720]  done and then when COVID happened lo and behold it's the same thing again and now we're back to the
[02:35:00.720 --> 02:35:06.960]  to the COVID MacGuffin but they just they want the emergency power because they have a set of
[02:35:06.960 --> 02:35:12.000]  agenda things that they want to do and that one of them is to basically destroy our economy take
[02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:17.840]  away our energy and and make us poor and dependent on them well yeah I think their their agenda
[02:35:17.840 --> 02:35:22.880]  and I don't really understand where where this comes from but hey it's Ben Ferguson and I want
[02:35:22.880 --> 02:35:29.040]  you to pause what you're doing for just one minute and I want you to hear about love generosity and
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[02:36:59.040 --> 02:37:04.080]  there is a large percentage of the population that has banded together in a political force
[02:37:04.080 --> 02:37:10.960]  that just wants to be able to do what they want to do to anybody at any time yeah and you know
[02:37:10.960 --> 02:37:15.840]  the rule of law be there yeah that's right and they don't realize how that's going to bounce
[02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:21.040]  back on them at some point in time you know the problem with your having your guy be the dictator
[02:37:21.040 --> 02:37:25.600]  is your guy may not always be the dictator you set up a dictatorship it's going to come back
[02:37:25.600 --> 02:37:33.440]  and bite you pretty badly our old friend Ed Markey and for years and years ago it's been
[02:37:33.440 --> 02:37:38.560]  almost 10 years the EPA fraud that was being done in research triangle park and of course
[02:37:38.560 --> 02:37:44.000]  Ed Markey was just a congressman at the time he's working with Obama's EPA director Lisa Jackson
[02:37:44.560 --> 02:37:49.680]  and and they were telling everybody that it wasn't just about people getting sick but more
[02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:53.760]  people were dying of fine particulate matter than were dying of cancer this is the and they
[02:37:53.760 --> 02:37:58.320]  had scripted this back and forth so now Markey is a senator he's been rewarded for all that
[02:37:58.320 --> 02:38:03.920]  and he wants Biden to ban further drilling on public lands as part of this climate emergency
[02:38:03.920 --> 02:38:10.880]  I mean they want to shut down all energy use don't they yeah no it's it's really incredible
[02:38:10.880 --> 02:38:18.400]  you know we we are seeing in Europe you know this whole the global energy crisis the war in Ukraine
[02:38:18.400 --> 02:38:25.920]  itself Europe is going to have to ration energy this winter and it's all because of you know
[02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:34.800]  green policies and what I call climate idiocy you know the only you can't have a growing economy
[02:38:34.800 --> 02:38:40.960]  and a rising standard of living when you try to constrain energy but that is what these people
[02:38:40.960 --> 02:38:47.360]  are trying to do yeah you know Germany has paid Germans pay the highest electricity prices in the
[02:38:47.360 --> 02:38:54.240]  world they have all these windmills all these solar panels but in reality there's still a heat
[02:38:54.240 --> 02:38:59.120]  wave over there emissions are going up they've accomplished nothing now they have to ration
[02:38:59.120 --> 02:39:05.760]  energy this whole green thing has been a disaster but the leftists just you know they they can't
[02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:11.840]  give it up and you know we have the same disease in America it's called the Democrat party yeah and
[02:39:11.840 --> 02:39:17.120]  of course there are a lot of Republicans that fall for this nonsense too yeah and it's it's really
[02:39:17.120 --> 02:39:22.400]  disturbing and I'm not quite sure what we're gonna you know do about it because I mean it is quite
[02:39:22.400 --> 02:39:27.280]  a disease well and the amazing thing is that this this disease I call it cancer has really
[02:39:27.280 --> 02:39:34.400]  metastasized to all of our vital organs right it is not just the energy that is vital for these long
[02:39:34.400 --> 02:39:40.400]  supply chains that we have you know just-in-time delivery and everything or the manufacturer or
[02:39:40.400 --> 02:39:45.920]  you know using it for you know agricultural purposes and that type of thing but now it is
[02:39:46.000 --> 02:39:54.480]  metastasized and this whole energy war has become part of this Ukraine war and so I've got a headline
[02:39:54.480 --> 02:39:59.120]  here from RT Steve that says a heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal well you know the
[02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:05.600]  Russians are pushing this out because they've got Europe in a tight spot as they are going to be
[02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:12.960]  withholding the gas from them and so this is just putting more and more pressure on their enemies
[02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:18.320]  you know about energy and that type of thing and so we see how this is being played out but it is
[02:40:18.320 --> 02:40:23.040]  in so many different areas they're coming after our food our transportation everything in our
[02:40:23.040 --> 02:40:27.920]  economy and it all comes back to the climate change and they're using that to attack our
[02:40:27.920 --> 02:40:34.880]  energy production and our food and you raise a very good point you know Putin has paid climate
[02:40:34.880 --> 02:40:41.280]  activists to stop Europe from fracking so that Europe would get hooked on Russian oil and gas
[02:40:42.080 --> 02:40:49.040]  and Putin funds a lot of these climate groups to just you know keep pushing the hysteria
[02:40:49.600 --> 02:40:55.840]  and more than Putin you know Communist China does the same thing Congress was investigating
[02:40:55.840 --> 02:41:01.360]  whether Communist China was paying US environmental groups to you know wreck the economy that's an
[02:41:01.360 --> 02:41:07.600]  old that's sort of Soviet concept wrecking the economy but when Democrats took over they killed
[02:41:07.600 --> 02:41:14.960]  the investigation but so now we have you know this whole ESG movement the ESG investors
[02:41:14.960 --> 02:41:21.440]  environmental social and corporate governance like you know led by Black Rock and State Street
[02:41:21.440 --> 02:41:26.320]  all these huge banks investment houses like Goldman Sachs you know they all profit in China
[02:41:26.320 --> 02:41:32.320]  and I think they're allowed to profit in China so that they push the climate idiocy on the rest of
[02:41:32.320 --> 02:41:36.560]  us I agree I agree I want to get into that ESG stuff but but let's not leave the temperature
[02:41:36.560 --> 02:41:42.240]  things just yet because this heat wave stuff we're seeing the panic of you know people are
[02:41:42.240 --> 02:41:46.720]  dying hundreds are dying they said heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal this is RT
[02:41:46.720 --> 02:41:51.360]  telling everybody you know it was just back in the end of March you remember Steve when they were
[02:41:51.360 --> 02:41:57.360]  telling everybody look the the temperature just jumped 40 degrees centigrade and the
[02:41:57.360 --> 02:42:01.280]  Antarctic and the Arctic you remember that and that's I was like wait a minute how could that
[02:42:01.280 --> 02:42:08.640]  possibly be because that's 104 degrees Fahrenheit folks and if that were to happen at both poles as
[02:42:08.640 --> 02:42:16.080]  they were telling everybody how is it that we didn't see any jump here you know that was idiotic
[02:42:16.080 --> 02:42:19.520]  and you remember what happened with it what that was all based on right it's just based on their
[02:42:19.520 --> 02:42:23.840]  projections they didn't even measure anything it only lasted for two days right yeah look anytime
[02:42:23.840 --> 02:42:29.120]  there's a heat wave people die okay the good news is that a lot less people are dying from heat waves
[02:42:29.120 --> 02:42:34.560]  today than used to because we have air conditioning and you know we're just smarter about these things
[02:42:34.560 --> 02:42:40.640]  oh but they got a plan for that too though they get rid of the air conditioning so we can kill more
[02:42:40.640 --> 02:42:44.000]  people get rid of the air condition not just the food and the fuel but the air conditioning too yeah
[02:42:44.000 --> 02:42:50.240]  I'm sorry we talked about this earlier you know it's yeah it's hot in in Europe and it's hot maybe
[02:42:50.240 --> 02:42:56.240]  someplace else in the Midwest but it's cold other places and it all averages out and the con David
[02:42:56.240 --> 02:43:02.640]  remember the con was originally called global warming that's the con and if you look is is the
[02:43:02.640 --> 02:43:07.600]  globe really warming well not today today there's really no global warming because the cold is
[02:43:07.600 --> 02:43:14.320]  offsetting uh the heat other places and so their narrative has failed and and it's frustrating to
[02:43:14.320 --> 02:43:18.880]  me that you know the fact that that narrative is failed you can't you can't get that on tv any place
[02:43:18.880 --> 02:43:24.080]  you can't get that on on fox news you can't get that on and nobody wants to talk about that and
[02:43:24.080 --> 02:43:28.240]  I don't understand why that's right that's right well you know it's the most interesting thing
[02:43:28.240 --> 02:43:33.280]  about this whole thing yeah there's a heat wave over there but really the world the globe is not
[02:43:33.280 --> 02:43:38.560]  really warmer over the past 40 years that's right it's just weather that's right it's just weather
[02:43:38.560 --> 02:43:44.000]  and and there's no distinction between and we see that uh on people who are pushing back on it as
[02:43:44.000 --> 02:43:48.400]  well you know they will say the same thing when it gets really cold uh weather is not climate and
[02:43:48.400 --> 02:43:52.240]  you have to have the data for a very long time but we do have data now for a very long time
[02:43:52.320 --> 02:43:58.560]  and we have shown that there is no uh climate change you know there's weather variations and
[02:43:58.560 --> 02:44:02.080]  let's talk a little bit about the weather as well you've got a couple of good articles one
[02:44:02.080 --> 02:44:05.840]  of them about lake mead and then the other one about the great salt lake let's talk about lake
[02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:12.720]  mead first uh the article at junk science.com is is lake mead shrinking because of climate let's
[02:44:12.720 --> 02:44:20.560]  talk about that tell people is it shrinking well yeah so well lake mead is shrinking is it climate
[02:44:20.560 --> 02:44:26.480]  well you know if you look back at lake mead's history um you know just maybe i think 50 years
[02:44:26.480 --> 02:44:34.000]  ago the 1960s it was as low then as it is today so is that climate no it's something else it's
[02:44:34.000 --> 02:44:39.040]  it's probably you know it may not be raining but that once again is weather you know drought is a
[02:44:39.040 --> 02:44:43.920]  natural condition out there it is the desert but there's also water usage you know we have ramped
[02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:48.560]  up water usage the point is is that this has happened before it could not have been climate
[02:44:48.560 --> 02:44:55.040]  because there was a lot less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere uh so it's not that it's just you
[02:44:55.040 --> 02:45:03.280]  know these things happen it's probably mismanagement um it's got nothing to do with uh you know co2
[02:45:03.280 --> 02:45:08.080]  emissions and the same thing is happening at the great salt lake i mean if you look back in history
[02:45:08.080 --> 02:45:13.200]  uh great salt lake goes up you know its level goes up and down and it has nothing to do with
[02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:18.320]  carbon dioxide but of course in the media you know they only look at what's going on today
[02:45:19.040 --> 02:45:24.640]  so you know if there's something bad happening today regardless of what has ever happened in the
[02:45:24.640 --> 02:45:30.880]  past it's happening bad today it's got to be climate change uh and and it's just i mean almost
[02:45:30.880 --> 02:45:35.040]  everything is blamed on climate change oh yeah yeah as a matter of fact you actually go back
[02:45:35.040 --> 02:45:39.280]  and you go to the data you know for several decades and you show the charts in your article
[02:45:39.440 --> 02:45:46.880]  it had low points in 1956 and 1965 and it still hasn't gotten back even though it's very low now
[02:45:46.880 --> 02:45:50.240]  it hasn't gotten back to those points and then we talked about the great salt lake
[02:45:51.200 --> 02:45:55.840]  you point out this is coming from the new york times by as you call him i think it's true
[02:45:55.840 --> 02:46:01.600]  imbecile economist paul krugman this is an economist right maybe maybe he would go back
[02:46:01.600 --> 02:46:05.680]  and look at the data to know what he's talking about is this something oh look it's low it must
[02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:11.200]  be i can use this for my narrative and that's exactly what they do and you know what's incredible
[02:46:11.200 --> 02:46:17.360]  david is that none of this is rocket science i mean i don't spend half my day looking for this data
[02:46:17.360 --> 02:46:22.960]  i just do a google search and in seconds in seconds i come up with this they could do the
[02:46:22.960 --> 02:46:28.640]  same thing but of course they don't want to that's right no no they don't want to and they want to
[02:46:28.640 --> 02:46:34.000]  they want to hide uh the actual data and of course i think you were involved in that just
[02:46:34.000 --> 02:46:39.440]  like i was trying to get that information about michael man who came up with a hockey stick
[02:46:40.000 --> 02:46:46.400]  thing that was used by al gore viciously fought and eventually won in court to be able to hide
[02:46:46.400 --> 02:46:51.840]  the data even after we had emails between him and other people saying hey our models aren't working
[02:46:52.640 --> 02:46:58.720]  how do we fix this how do we massage the data how do we hide the data how do we hide the decline
[02:46:58.720 --> 02:47:02.640]  and we said all right you've you've published your results and you were paid at a public
[02:47:02.640 --> 02:47:07.200]  institution this has been used to craft public policy can we see your data no you can't see the
[02:47:07.200 --> 02:47:12.800]  data well i think we know you know i think we know what's going on with these guys and that's
[02:47:12.800 --> 02:47:18.720]  exactly what happened with all this covid mcguffin you know they just keep rolling the same mo
[02:47:18.720 --> 02:47:24.400]  everywhere yeah and and and once again you know it's really republicans that are letting us down
[02:47:24.400 --> 02:47:30.160]  i mean we elect these people none of this you know rand paul is trying to fight back but most
[02:47:30.160 --> 02:47:35.120]  these other people they're just sort of silent and let it uh you know they don't really do
[02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:40.960]  anything and the other side is really aggressive yeah and even if they're wrong that's what they
[02:47:40.960 --> 02:47:47.840]  become more aggressive look at fauci what a sick sob that guy is that's right why is he still in
[02:47:47.840 --> 02:47:54.400]  the government at his age he's never been right about anything he's a malignant dwarf yeah and
[02:47:54.400 --> 02:48:00.320]  he is making our lives miserable and why is he still there what what was trump thinking
[02:48:00.320 --> 02:48:05.360]  yeah i know even you know you had that guy walk the plank yeah he even had uh people yelling
[02:48:05.360 --> 02:48:09.280]  fire fauci fire faction goes vote for me we'll see what i can do yeah and he didn't do anything
[02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:15.200]  i mean after the election he did nothing he had 60 days he did nothing uh you you talked a little
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[02:50:01.280 --> 02:50:05.840]  outs or blackouts or telling industrial customers to shut it down so they don't have to take away
[02:50:05.840 --> 02:50:12.400]  air conditioning from voters two months before the election so i've experienced this when i was
[02:50:12.400 --> 02:50:19.280]  there and they had the the windmills that that froze and now the windmills are not producing
[02:50:19.280 --> 02:50:26.000]  in the middle of a heat wave what what a surprise isn't it well yeah and you know even in a red
[02:50:26.000 --> 02:50:33.760]  state like texas the republican politicians have been purchased by the wind industry and allowed
[02:50:33.760 --> 02:50:40.320]  to they have destroyed the the electricity grid in texas so that you know you mentioned that
[02:50:40.960 --> 02:50:48.160]  valentine's day 2021 disaster where you know 200 people died because the windmills froze and
[02:50:48.160 --> 02:50:55.280]  blackouts ensued yeah and and now um you know we're having the increasing likelihood of blackouts
[02:50:55.280 --> 02:51:02.000]  in texas and rationing because the wind industry has been allowed to purchase politicians that's
[02:51:02.000 --> 02:51:08.560]  right and uh it's you know what do you do do you attack you tack governor greg abbott and
[02:51:08.560 --> 02:51:12.640]  all the other republican governors so that they get replaced by democrats who are gonna be worse
[02:51:12.640 --> 02:51:18.800]  i mean we are in a real fix yeah and we've got to we've got to fix this ourselves that's right
[02:51:18.800 --> 02:51:25.200]  yeah yeah i you know the entire time i was there for about a little over nine years i watched them
[02:51:25.200 --> 02:51:29.600]  decommissioning power plant after power plant and this is what's happening across our country
[02:51:29.600 --> 02:51:35.440]  and there was a tremendous amount i forget how many billions of dollars or tens of billions of
[02:51:35.440 --> 02:51:40.320]  dollars that the state of texas gave to these people who were already billionaires the same
[02:51:40.320 --> 02:51:46.160]  type of thing they do you know for uh putting in uh football stadiums or baseball stadiums or
[02:51:46.160 --> 02:51:50.240]  something like that gave them a tremendous amount of money to build this infrastructure for these
[02:51:50.240 --> 02:51:57.760]  windmills large windmill fields there and yet um uh they're not able to deliver and and so it was
[02:51:57.760 --> 02:52:03.040]  all about graft and corruption and they brought these officials and they put this in there and
[02:52:03.040 --> 02:52:08.240]  these people and a lot of them had had been people who had been in the oil and natural gas industry
[02:52:08.240 --> 02:52:12.320]  because and they wanted to get in on the ground floor of something that was completely new and
[02:52:12.320 --> 02:52:17.680]  different and force people uh through the government to make that change and to get the
[02:52:17.680 --> 02:52:22.640]  government to subsidize it i mean it's just corruption writ large right no and none of this
[02:52:22.640 --> 02:52:28.960]  stuff works we know it doesn't work and it's not going to work anytime soon and of course you know
[02:52:28.960 --> 02:52:33.680]  the dirty little secret behind all this not only does it not work and it costs more money it all
[02:52:33.680 --> 02:52:39.520]  comes from china it doesn't come from here that's right and you know if we were to if it were even
[02:52:39.520 --> 02:52:45.120]  possible to get hooked up this stuff we would be at the mercy of communist china because it's the
[02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:51.360]  it it's where wind comes in the wind the the rare earths that make the windmills work the solar
[02:52:51.360 --> 02:52:58.720]  same with solar panels you know slave labor yeah is china the ev batteries uh all the rare earths
[02:52:58.720 --> 02:53:04.720]  and cobalt processing happens in china i mean this is just a disaster yet we're letting it happen you
[02:53:04.720 --> 02:53:09.440]  know the investors in these windmills and utilities they make money from putting this stuff up they
[02:53:09.440 --> 02:53:15.440]  make money now and so they get their bonus the you know managements get their bonuses and everything
[02:53:15.440 --> 02:53:21.040]  now and the rest of us are left with you know the crap that doesn't work that's right yeah and this
[02:53:21.040 --> 02:53:26.720]  goes back just like earth day and the environmental movement this goes back to you know the 70s and
[02:53:26.720 --> 02:53:33.280]  and nixon administration where they put china in the catbird seat they made the decision that they
[02:53:33.280 --> 02:53:38.320]  were going to let these people be the center of the global economy they had slave labor
[02:53:38.960 --> 02:53:43.920]  they had other things that they could use and they've really been used i think steve as a beta
[02:53:43.920 --> 02:53:49.200]  test site for all this stuff you you talked about you had a tweet you said a creepy elitist power
[02:53:49.200 --> 02:53:56.000]  crazed world economic forum calls for even calls for even higher gas prices to hasten the green
[02:53:56.000 --> 02:54:01.760]  energy transition and uh yeah that's absolutely true you know i at least you can see what the
[02:54:01.760 --> 02:54:04.880]  world economic forum is putting up out there i looked at that and it's like i clicked on it's
[02:54:04.880 --> 02:54:09.600]  like oh that's right i can't view anything they've got because they block me uh i didn't realize they
[02:54:09.600 --> 02:54:12.800]  blocked me i hadn't even trolled them by saying stuff like that so we would be careful they're
[02:54:12.800 --> 02:54:18.240]  going to block you i never directly attacked them and called them creepy elitist power crazed people
[02:54:18.240 --> 02:54:25.280]  which they are but i never addressed them directly with those adjectives but they preemptively
[02:54:25.280 --> 02:54:31.040]  blocked me uh it's kind of strange but um that is really where i think you know these these
[02:54:31.040 --> 02:54:35.840]  politicians that you pointed out with this two-party system they only have to be slightly better
[02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:43.520]  than the other guy and then they can essentially forward this agenda that is anti-american and
[02:54:43.520 --> 02:54:47.280]  anti-human and this is what is happening in country after country you know whether you're
[02:54:47.280 --> 02:54:52.080]  looking at new zealand or or canada and it's what happened during the covid thing but that's what's
[02:54:52.080 --> 02:54:57.120]  happening yeah i you mentioned something very important there this is an anti-human agenda
[02:54:57.120 --> 02:55:03.680]  yeah you know all that in in the mid 1960s paul erlich wrote the population bomb and is still a
[02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:09.680]  full professor at stanford and is a member of prestigious national academy of science the guy
[02:55:09.680 --> 02:55:15.440]  has never been right about anything anyway he said that the carrying capacity of the planet is about
[02:55:15.440 --> 02:55:22.400]  two billion people well later this year we are forecast to hit eight billion people and i think
[02:55:22.400 --> 02:55:28.000]  that these people the world economic forum and the people that get involved with them and democrats
[02:55:28.000 --> 02:55:33.520]  and leftists they really think that six billion people need to step off the planet and they're
[02:55:33.520 --> 02:55:38.080]  doing the best they can to get us there oh yeah oh absolutely yeah you look at the georgia
[02:55:38.080 --> 02:55:41.840]  guide stones that somebody just fortunately took out for us i don't know what was up about that but
[02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:46.960]  you know they had even just a half a billion you know they were even more malthusian than paul
[02:55:46.960 --> 02:55:53.760]  erlich i didn't know he was still around let alone teaching i was that guy he's what is he like 90
[02:55:53.760 --> 02:55:59.200]  years old or something yeah i don't hear from very often he blocks me so i don't there you go
[02:56:00.560 --> 02:56:06.400]  yeah we're being shut down we can we can no longer allow to see evil or to hear evil because we'll
[02:56:06.400 --> 02:56:10.160]  speak about evil so the world economic forum blocks me he blocks you that's that's funny
[02:56:10.960 --> 02:56:19.120]  uh germany is um planning warm-up spaces for this winter um they're gonna be wishing for global
[02:56:19.120 --> 02:56:23.520]  warming pretty soon aren't they i mean that and and we're seeing and we've talked about this
[02:56:24.080 --> 02:56:30.160]  many times in the past how it was already long ago because the high prices in germany as they were
[02:56:30.160 --> 02:56:36.640]  rolling into this expense pensioners and people who didn't have the money uh to cut back on the
[02:56:36.640 --> 02:56:44.720]  thermo and um and that's really going to be coming up big time uh this fall isn't it yeah so it's
[02:56:44.720 --> 02:56:50.160]  really weird you know they're germany which used to be a technological leader you know they've
[02:56:50.160 --> 02:56:54.880]  fallen for this green stuff which doesn't work they're shutting down their nuclear plants
[02:56:55.840 --> 02:56:59.840]  maybe they're slowing some of that down now they're going to have to reopen coal plants
[02:57:00.560 --> 02:57:06.800]  um you know against their agenda uh but you know just today there's more news putin is
[02:57:06.800 --> 02:57:12.160]  you know squeezing them more on gas and you know they're they're thinking about yeah we're going
[02:57:12.160 --> 02:57:17.200]  to need to have communal heating places and how else can we crash in electricity i mean
[02:57:17.200 --> 02:57:23.360]  the whole thing is just a disaster and you kind of wonder like why aren't people up in arms about
[02:57:23.360 --> 02:57:29.760]  this instead they elect this new green government you know they get get rid of merkel who is bad
[02:57:29.760 --> 02:57:43.360]  enough now they have olav shul have been forced to reopen like 27 coal plants yeah but they don't
[02:57:43.360 --> 02:57:48.160]  want to and they can't wait to shut them down again yeah i know yeah as a matter of fact soros
[02:57:48.160 --> 02:57:55.120]  at davos was just railing about how merkel had thrown them under the bus because she hadn't done
[02:57:55.120 --> 02:58:00.400]  enough to do renewables and left them vulnerable to these fossil fuels and everything which is
[02:58:00.400 --> 02:58:04.640]  really the only thing that's going to keep them alive come winter it's pretty amazing and they're
[02:58:04.640 --> 02:58:08.880]  now talking in all these different places in europe about uh well should we let the peasants go out
[02:58:08.880 --> 02:58:13.440]  and gather wood so they can heat themselves you know they're seriously you know you know they're
[02:58:13.520 --> 02:58:18.080]  talking about gathering wood for fuel but they're not fully on board that because you know we
[02:58:18.080 --> 02:58:22.960]  shouldn't let them be able to go through uh and collect uh you know dead wood out of the forest
[02:58:22.960 --> 02:58:28.800]  to heat themselves it's amazing it's turning medieval isn't it it is totally medieval and
[02:58:28.800 --> 02:58:34.480]  you know now we have this sort of looming global food crisis because you know russia can't export
[02:58:34.480 --> 02:58:44.000]  its wheat won't let ukraine to export its and um you know in america we burn grain for it we burn
[02:58:44.000 --> 02:58:51.040]  food for energy because we have all these ethanol yeah exactly you wouldn't like who is in charge
[02:58:51.040 --> 02:58:56.640]  and who votes for these people and what schools do they go to i don't i don't know where every where
[02:58:56.640 --> 02:59:01.280]  all these people came from because they've all lost their minds well they're graduates of the
[02:59:01.280 --> 02:59:08.240]  world economic forum claude schroff has got his those people but but david how did they acquire
[02:59:08.240 --> 02:59:14.480]  all this power and all this money because they are obviously too stupid to to to do anything
[02:59:14.480 --> 02:59:18.640]  yeah yeah how did it happen well you know they're smart enough to get into these institutions i've
[02:59:18.640 --> 02:59:23.040]  had um people ask me they say how did we wind up with all the universities and schools being
[02:59:23.040 --> 02:59:27.040]  controlled by these radical leftist liberals and things like well because you know they
[02:59:27.040 --> 02:59:30.480]  they love it they love those institutions and they want to be part of them these are the
[02:59:30.480 --> 02:59:34.880]  kinds of people when we were in high school they wanted to be the leaders of student government you
[02:59:34.880 --> 02:59:39.520]  know i didn't want to have anything to do with it but you know it works out for them yeah i'll go
[02:59:39.520 --> 02:59:44.720]  step further i mean they they have purposely captured these institutions it's not they just
[02:59:44.720 --> 02:59:50.400]  gravitate there they have purposely captured them i agree um you know there was a great radio series
[02:59:50.400 --> 02:59:57.760]  starring dana andrews from the 1950s uh i was a communist for the fbi and i used to and the
[02:59:57.760 --> 03:00:05.120]  episodes are great because they explain how since the 1920s and they do it through uh uh
[03:00:07.120 --> 03:00:14.240]  you know recreations of of stories by fbi agents of how communists have purposely tried to capture
[03:00:14.240 --> 03:00:20.640]  these institutions yes uh and and control them for for their for these purposes that's right
[03:00:20.640 --> 03:00:25.200]  yeah the frankfurt institute they they made it a deliberate goal to capture hollywood and things
[03:00:25.200 --> 03:00:29.920]  like that and and and they they've been very successful at that it's been a long-running plan
[03:00:29.920 --> 03:00:36.240]  yeah you talk about and we were mentioning air conditioning earlier uh and you got an article
[03:00:36.240 --> 03:00:41.040]  junk science dot com ozone hole depletion hysteria debunked anew tell us about that because
[03:00:41.040 --> 03:00:46.320]  they're just rolling out they're about to rev hey it's ben ferguson and i want you to pause what
[03:00:46.320 --> 03:00:52.720]  you're doing for just one minute and i want you to hear about love generosity and compassion we say
[03:00:52.720 --> 03:00:58.880]  those words all the time and they sound good they feel good but here's the truth those words
[03:00:58.880 --> 03:01:06.160]  don't mean anything unless they turn into action and right now not later today not tomorrow there's
[03:01:06.160 --> 03:01:13.120]  a child in the world who doesn't know if they'll eat if they'll have a chance to learn or if there's
[03:01:13.120 --> 03:01:20.640]  any hope at all and while we're all busy life keeps moving forward but that child is waiting
[03:01:20.640 --> 03:01:25.760]  this is where you come in with compassion international you have the chance to change
[03:01:25.760 --> 03:01:32.480]  a child's future not just with words not with promises but with real help that provides food
[03:01:32.480 --> 03:01:40.080]  education and hope through local churches and people already in their community put your words
[03:01:40.080 --> 03:01:48.480]  into action and join me introduce a child to a loving heavenly father today at compassion.com
[03:01:48.480 --> 03:01:50.640]  that's compassion.com
[03:02:18.960 --> 03:02:24.880]  download the moto casino app today the version of refrigerant that we got yet again you know they
[03:02:24.880 --> 03:02:28.720]  did it once before and said sorry you can't have that now we got something that's going to be safe
[03:02:28.720 --> 03:02:34.080]  for the ozone layer and now as their patent i guess is about to expire that was eric peter's
[03:02:34.080 --> 03:02:38.720]  take on that yes and republicans yeah like john kennedy and bill cassey from louisiana behind
[03:02:38.720 --> 03:02:44.720]  this yeah so ozone whole hysteria born in the 1970s the guys that discovered the chemistry behind
[03:02:44.720 --> 03:02:51.040]  ozone whole hysteria won the nobel prize and what they discovered was there you know was
[03:02:51.040 --> 03:02:55.760]  some thinning over the antarctic in the ozone layer which protects us from the uv layer from
[03:02:55.760 --> 03:03:01.200]  the uv radiation from the sun it wasn't a hole there was just some thinning no one really understood
[03:03:01.200 --> 03:03:08.160]  it these guys figured out that chlorofluorocarbons are refrigerants when they escape into the
[03:03:08.160 --> 03:03:14.000]  atmosphere they destroy the ozone and for that they won the nobel prize we got the montreal
[03:03:14.000 --> 03:03:20.800]  protocol which was pushed by environmentalists of course as well as dupont who was losing its
[03:03:21.520 --> 03:03:27.920]  patents on cfcs and of course since then we've been on this all you know we keep replacing
[03:03:27.920 --> 03:03:33.120]  refrigerants and they keep getting needlessly more expensive well a couple weeks ago you know
[03:03:33.920 --> 03:03:40.240]  i never i never believed ozone hysteria it's true the chemistry neither did i let me ask you this
[03:03:40.240 --> 03:03:44.960]  too i mean i was always under the impression that they'd never looked before i mean had they
[03:03:45.680 --> 03:03:52.080]  they ever looked before did they ever look at the uh the ozone layer over the poles no was it was
[03:03:52.080 --> 03:03:58.640]  the first time they looked and said oh there's a thinning there and so um well yeah so and so two
[03:03:58.640 --> 03:04:03.920]  two weeks ago there's a study that comes out that says you know what there's been an ozone hole over
[03:04:03.920 --> 03:04:09.520]  the tropics since the 1980s they didn't even notice it because there was nothing happening
[03:04:09.520 --> 03:04:15.680]  because there's nothing there it's just you know we have an excess of of of protective ozone in the
[03:04:15.680 --> 03:04:20.640]  stratum stratosphere if it gets thin here and there it doesn't really matter and so the whole
[03:04:20.640 --> 03:04:27.200]  thing has been a hoax now i remember uh more than about 20 years ago when al gore was developing his
[03:04:27.200 --> 03:04:33.040]  slideshow i was in a meeting where i got to see his slideshow and he made this this remark he
[03:04:33.040 --> 03:04:39.280]  his mark was you know the purpose of the montreal protocol was not to protect the ozone layer it
[03:04:39.280 --> 03:04:46.240]  was to show that we could get a global climate treaty so it's about global government and that
[03:04:46.240 --> 03:04:52.800]  is where we are now because out of the montreal protocol comes the you know the the united nations
[03:04:52.800 --> 03:04:59.840]  framework on climate change which you know george bush the elder signed in 1992 in rio
[03:05:01.280 --> 03:05:06.000]  and and out of that was the kyoto protocol the paris climate accord so all this stuff you know
[03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:10.880]  the fruit of the poisonous tree the poisonous tree is the montreal protocol totally bogus
[03:05:10.880 --> 03:05:15.600]  there's there's no problem with the ozone there never has been we paid needlessly more for
[03:05:15.600 --> 03:05:21.040]  refrigerants we have senator kennedy uh and bill cassidy and other republicans going along with
[03:05:21.040 --> 03:05:26.960]  democrats you know signing a bill at the end of the trump administration to force ep to to make
[03:05:26.960 --> 03:05:32.640]  epa uh force us out of the refrigerants we're using right now now there's an amendment
[03:05:33.280 --> 03:05:39.280]  um to the montreal protocol that's been that's in the senate right now that senator kennedy is
[03:05:39.280 --> 03:05:43.680]  probably for as well as bill cassidy because the refrigerant industry and the environmental
[03:05:43.680 --> 03:05:48.000]  start pushing it's called the kigali amendment and it's going to force us out of our current
[03:05:48.000 --> 03:05:53.360]  refrigerants into something into technology that does not even exist yet wow the whole thing is a
[03:05:53.360 --> 03:05:58.720]  nightmare uh you know it's i it's senator people think senator kennedy's funny when he goes on tv
[03:05:58.800 --> 03:06:02.880]  there's all sorts of folksy things i'd like to see someone ask senator kennedy about this
[03:06:02.880 --> 03:06:06.080]  yeah yeah the kigali amendment it sounds like hagelian um
[03:06:08.560 --> 03:06:12.560]  that's amazing that's that's the way they they push this you know you're talking about this and
[03:06:12.560 --> 03:06:18.160]  they had to have see if they could get a world agreement and i've talked to you we were talking
[03:06:18.160 --> 03:06:25.360]  before about how the plan for the longest time has been uh depopulation and uh going back to
[03:06:25.360 --> 03:06:30.880]  when the pope put out his climate encyclical a guy who was very instrumental in that who was
[03:06:30.880 --> 03:06:37.120]  the vatican science director that was writing that uh was john schellenhuber and he had been
[03:06:37.120 --> 03:06:42.160]  at the right hand of prince charles and they've been conspiring to do this world league thing and
[03:06:42.160 --> 03:06:47.440]  a planetary council and an earth constitution i mean everything about these guys is to centralize
[03:06:47.440 --> 03:06:52.800]  all power and wealth into their hands globally and to depopulate everybody else and it just keeps
[03:06:52.800 --> 03:06:56.080]  you know you have all these different organizations but they all have the same goal
[03:06:56.080 --> 03:07:02.080]  and it's that and you have the same people that keep uh you know showing up in all of these uh
[03:07:02.080 --> 03:07:09.040]  these organizations for a global control and world depopulation it truly is amazing uh let's talk i
[03:07:09.040 --> 03:07:14.320]  said we get to the esg stuff let's talk a little bit about the esg because now these scores are
[03:07:14.320 --> 03:07:18.080]  really the new corporate benchmark aren't they i mean we're not really worried about moodies or
[03:07:18.080 --> 03:07:23.920]  any financial ratings now we're worried about the esg uh score that everybody's got well yeah the
[03:07:23.920 --> 03:07:32.480]  whole notion is that you know we um the left can't get more stringent environmental and social
[03:07:32.480 --> 03:07:40.400]  standards through congress so they're going to they've created these you know fake um uh
[03:07:40.400 --> 03:07:45.360]  international bodies that are imposing these standards through left-wing investors on
[03:07:45.440 --> 03:07:51.840]  corporations it's a you know it's a it's it's basically a communist plot to circumvent democracy
[03:07:52.960 --> 03:07:58.160]  to capture corporations for for their political purposes and it's working and you know this is
[03:07:58.160 --> 03:08:03.760]  led by wall street firms goldman sachs especially black rock state street banks people that mention
[03:08:03.760 --> 03:08:10.960]  that manage our pensions and manage pension funds for states they use all our money to amass
[03:08:10.960 --> 03:08:16.880]  political power for themselves now you know there's a pushback states like texas have pushed
[03:08:16.880 --> 03:08:22.080]  back against black rock tennessee some other states and there's a growing west virginia there's
[03:08:22.080 --> 03:08:27.120]  a growing movement among red states to push back against these guys but of course the bankers are
[03:08:27.120 --> 03:08:32.960]  pushing back on their own and it's a it's a real struggle and you have also the biden securities
[03:08:32.960 --> 03:08:37.600]  and exchange commission you know it's it's got all these you know it's starting to get itself
[03:08:37.600 --> 03:08:45.760]  involved in esg pushing esg rules they've also got a proposed rule to require companies disclose
[03:08:45.760 --> 03:08:52.000]  their greenhouse gas emissions and what they're doing on climate and the whole purpose of this
[03:08:52.000 --> 03:08:57.440]  is really to capture the corporation and we talked about how the left has captured all
[03:08:57.440 --> 03:09:03.040]  virtually every institution in america yeah and we see now with woke corporations
[03:09:03.840 --> 03:09:09.200]  they have made substantial progress in capturing those corporations and you know as someone who
[03:09:09.200 --> 03:09:16.320]  does shareholder activism myself i you know i can see they certainly have made tremendous progress
[03:09:16.320 --> 03:09:22.320]  against corporations and so esg is just another tool to you know help bring that about that's
[03:09:22.320 --> 03:09:27.680]  right you've gone to the exxon meeting for example and others and and standing up say what are you
[03:09:27.680 --> 03:09:32.640]  doing because they're not they're not focused on their product they're not focused on their
[03:09:32.640 --> 03:09:38.400]  customer they've got one customer and that is the you know the people who are doing the esg ratings
[03:09:38.400 --> 03:09:41.920]  and the government it is to do their bidding and that's one of the reasons why you see so much
[03:09:41.920 --> 03:09:46.080]  contempt for their customers from these big corporations but it's really being driven
[03:09:46.080 --> 03:09:52.240]  by blackrock as you pointed out vanguard i mean the big three holding companies they've got about
[03:09:52.240 --> 03:09:56.800]  30 trillion dollars worth of stock and they're using that as leverage against these corporations
[03:09:56.800 --> 03:10:01.760]  and now like i said before you know they used to have moodies and other financial rating scores
[03:10:01.760 --> 03:10:07.280]  and things like that but now they're all concerned about their esg scores there's a new mit slone
[03:10:07.280 --> 03:10:13.520]  study says hey we're seeing widespread and repeated retroactive changes to esg scores so they're
[03:10:13.520 --> 03:10:19.200]  they're looking at this like somebody would raise a red flag about someone manipulating the moody
[03:10:19.200 --> 03:10:22.720]  ratings or something what's going on here you know this is the way we evaluate corporations
[03:10:22.720 --> 03:10:27.760]  anymore it's not by their profits it's not by their products it's now by are they going to
[03:10:27.760 --> 03:10:32.240]  push the environmental agenda are they going to push this uh diversity inclusivity and
[03:10:33.040 --> 03:10:42.080]  uh equity yeah and so these scores are being used by wall street to deny uh financing to
[03:10:42.080 --> 03:10:48.400]  companies and you know the next step here is to you know take esg scores and kind of turn them
[03:10:48.400 --> 03:10:55.120]  into social credit scores for individuals yes so yes you know if if you use too much energy
[03:10:55.120 --> 03:11:00.640]  or do the wrong things and own guns and stuff like that you won't be able to get financing for your
[03:11:00.640 --> 03:11:06.720]  house or whatever you need uh it's all you know very big brother stuff coming down the road and
[03:11:06.720 --> 03:11:12.480]  once again are republicans doing anything nothing not much we've got some action going on in the
[03:11:12.480 --> 03:11:19.280]  states uh but in congress do republicans even really understand this and no yeah well you know
[03:11:19.280 --> 03:11:23.920]  they're rolling out this the financial tools to control this stuff with the central bank digital
[03:11:23.920 --> 03:11:27.600]  currencies and they've already talked about the fact well we're going to follow your carbon
[03:11:27.600 --> 03:11:31.680]  footprint and you know what what are you eating you know i'm sorry you've already bought too much
[03:11:31.680 --> 03:11:37.040]  meat this month so we're not going to let you buy this because we now control all the money centrally
[03:11:37.040 --> 03:11:41.440]  and then when it comes to the social side of this well i'm sorry i don't like what you had to say
[03:11:42.000 --> 03:11:46.960]  on social media and you know the world economic forum has blocked you or whatever so now you're
[03:11:46.960 --> 03:11:51.360]  not going to be able to fill in the blank and they're going to cut you off from that standpoint
[03:11:51.360 --> 03:11:54.640]  that's really where this is rolling out that that kind of social credit like we've seen
[03:11:54.640 --> 03:11:59.840]  already done in china yeah this is happening in china and of course it's happening here too
[03:11:59.840 --> 03:12:06.640]  uh go to twitter see how long you last saw twitter speaking your mind oh yeah i know yeah well you
[03:12:06.640 --> 03:12:11.120]  know it was a it was a little over a year ago after i'd done the show on my own for about six
[03:12:11.120 --> 03:12:16.800]  months that paypal suddenly paypal and venmo just suddenly without any explanation i could never get
[03:12:16.800 --> 03:12:20.560]  them to explain to me i'll have to sue them if i want to get an explanation they won't tell me
[03:12:20.560 --> 03:12:25.040]  but they just pulled uh pulled it i can't even use them as an individual that's what this is
[03:12:25.040 --> 03:12:30.640]  going to look like for everybody if they roll in this cbdc uh we've seen it in canada with the
[03:12:30.720 --> 03:12:37.280]  truckers and and trudeau coming after after their stuff but it truly is amazing that they're able
[03:12:37.280 --> 03:12:41.840]  to get away with this and it truly is amazing that the politicians in washington are not doing
[03:12:41.840 --> 03:12:46.160]  anything about that and as you pointed out there's nobody in in the republican party that's even
[03:12:46.160 --> 03:12:51.200]  talking about that none of the politicians and where where is mitch mcconnell where is kevin
[03:12:51.200 --> 03:12:58.160]  mccarth where are these people um nowhere well almost every time i talk about mitch mcconnell
[03:12:58.160 --> 03:13:02.960]  i point out the insight that you had and i'm still kicking myself because i didn't see it
[03:13:02.960 --> 03:13:09.520]  but you said uh right after the election hey it's ben ferguson and i want you to pause what you're
[03:13:09.520 --> 03:13:16.000]  doing for just one minute and i want you to hear about love generosity and compassion we say those
[03:13:16.000 --> 03:13:22.400]  words all the time and they sound good they feel good but here's the truth those words don't mean
[03:13:22.480 --> 03:13:29.920]  anything unless they turn into action and right now not later today not tomorrow there's a child
[03:13:29.920 --> 03:13:36.400]  in the world who doesn't know if they'll eat if they'll have a chance to learn or if there's any
[03:13:36.400 --> 03:13:44.080]  hope at all and while we're all busy life keeps moving forward but that child is waiting this is
[03:13:44.080 --> 03:13:50.320]  where you come in with compassion international you have the chance to change a child's future
[03:13:50.320 --> 03:13:57.520]  not just with words not with promises but with real help that provides food education and hope
[03:13:57.520 --> 03:14:05.440]  through local churches and people already in their community put your words into action and join me
[03:14:05.440 --> 03:14:13.680]  introduce a child to a loving heavenly father today at compassion.com that's compassion.com
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[03:14:41.920 --> 03:14:47.600]  download the moto casino app today you said they're going to get back into this paris climate thing
[03:14:47.600 --> 03:14:52.080]  right away and you figured this out it was great that you figured this out and and i tried to
[03:14:52.080 --> 03:14:55.840]  publicize as much like it but you said uh this paris climate thing is going to come back with
[03:14:55.840 --> 03:15:01.120]  biden and it did and you said the way to stop this is for mitch mcconnell to hold a vote
[03:15:01.120 --> 03:15:04.560]  because there's no way they got the votes to ratify this as a treaty and that would end it
[03:15:04.560 --> 03:15:08.080]  once and for all everybody was going back and forth about well is trump going to do this is
[03:15:08.080 --> 03:15:11.520]  trump going to do that to stop the paris climate accord it should have been mitch mcconnell and he
[03:15:11.520 --> 03:15:16.480]  could have done it even in the biden administration when biden said we've self-ratified you know carrie
[03:15:16.480 --> 03:15:20.560]  and i decided we'll sign it you can't do that they're just making this stuff up he should have
[03:15:20.560 --> 03:15:25.600]  called their bluff but he didn't do it because he didn't want to right yeah well you know it's
[03:15:25.600 --> 03:15:30.240]  interesting because he did do it with the green new deal during the trump administration when that
[03:15:30.240 --> 03:15:35.120]  first came up he brought that to a vote and of course all republicans voted against it and no
[03:15:35.120 --> 03:15:40.400]  democrats voted at all but for some reason he wouldn't do it with the paris climate accord and
[03:15:40.400 --> 03:15:44.800]  he should have done it because that would have put an end to it but and we would not be in the
[03:15:44.800 --> 03:15:50.400]  paris climate accord now but yeah yeah um yeah even the people who are true believers in all
[03:15:50.400 --> 03:15:54.800]  this climate change stuff i've seen them very angry about this because they said how can this
[03:15:55.120 --> 03:16:00.720]  addressing what we think is a global problem if you're going to allow china and india to continue
[03:16:00.720 --> 03:16:05.040]  to add as many power plants as dirty as they are forever you know not forever but you know for
[03:16:05.040 --> 03:16:11.120]  decades while you're cutting it down here you're just rearranging the economic chairs on the titanic
[03:16:11.120 --> 03:16:16.000]  they say and you're not doing anything to address the problem if you let china and india go free
[03:16:16.000 --> 03:16:21.520]  yeah well you know i i guess that's you know you mentioned it earlier the world economic forums
[03:16:21.520 --> 03:16:27.280]  idea was that china would just be this you know basically open sewer that produces all the goods
[03:16:27.280 --> 03:16:32.080]  and you know it's dirty over there who cares it's clean every place else but of course you know
[03:16:32.080 --> 03:16:38.640]  china has its own mind it's run by this aggressive communist party oh yeah absolutely that that is
[03:16:38.640 --> 03:16:44.720]  realizing god we have all this power we can do whatever we want you know we can take taiwan
[03:16:44.720 --> 03:16:50.800]  and there's nothing anybody can do about it or would dare do anything about because we'll just
[03:16:50.800 --> 03:16:54.960]  shut down their economies that's right that's right i think that had a lot to do i've said this
[03:16:54.960 --> 03:17:02.000]  from the beginning i think that that uh what they did in shanghai was uh signaling to everybody look
[03:17:02.000 --> 03:17:07.200]  we can shut you all down uh yeah when they shut down shanghai i think that was a a very clever
[03:17:07.200 --> 03:17:10.800]  warning signal nobody else is really talking about that maybe they're afraid to talk about it
[03:17:10.800 --> 03:17:16.080]  well yeah look if it comes to end times the chinese have shown they can do whatever they want to their
[03:17:16.960 --> 03:17:22.080]  that's right there's not going to be an uprising at home because they've got that locked down
[03:17:22.080 --> 03:17:28.720]  yeah so they can go to you know a war for keeps for everything against everybody else they don't
[03:17:28.720 --> 03:17:33.040]  care that's right they don't care about their people and they can uh they can do that to their
[03:17:33.040 --> 03:17:38.320]  people as a weapon uh there was one thing that you mentioned on junk science dot com kentucky
[03:17:38.320 --> 03:17:43.600]  attorney general is saying that esg investing is a breach of an asset manager's fiduciary study so i
[03:17:43.600 --> 03:17:47.600]  don't want to end the time that we've got without touching on that is there any hope
[03:17:47.600 --> 03:17:52.400]  uh that that is going to be an effective strategy against that that's a great move
[03:17:52.400 --> 03:17:57.680]  well i you know there's a lot of education that needs to go on uh people need to realize that
[03:17:57.680 --> 03:18:03.040]  you know if you hire an investment manager for your money of course his fiduciary duties legal
[03:18:03.040 --> 03:18:09.840]  duty is to increase your investment it's not to implement somebody else you know his own social
[03:18:09.840 --> 03:18:15.040]  policy with your money and it's it's odd that you actually have to say that but the kentucky
[03:18:15.600 --> 03:18:20.880]  attorney general has now issued an opinion and that needs to unfortunately have to be marketed
[03:18:20.880 --> 03:18:27.600]  to everybody else as they realize that um you know people that are pushing esg versus trying
[03:18:27.600 --> 03:18:35.360]  to make money for you uh or investors or state pension funds or whatever it is that's all illegal
[03:18:35.360 --> 03:18:40.000]  that's right that's right yeah that that should be echoed very very loudly it's why i wanted to
[03:18:40.000 --> 03:18:44.880]  get to that and always you're right at the center of everything steve i really do appreciate you
[03:18:44.880 --> 03:18:49.440]  coming on no i mean you you pick that up i haven't seen anybody else pick that up the fact that the
[03:18:49.440 --> 03:18:52.960]  kentucky attorney general is saying hey you're breaching your fiduciary trust you were supposed
[03:18:52.960 --> 03:18:58.000]  to make money for these people make money for the pension plans and you're out you know chasing uh
[03:18:58.000 --> 03:19:03.440]  your rainbows or whatever you know literally uh where is the media on all this and yeah i
[03:19:03.440 --> 03:19:08.480]  find it hard to believe that you know the last more than 30 years on this nonsense none of it
[03:19:08.480 --> 03:19:14.960]  is rocket science it's just it's just inconvenient facts that nobody wants to consider even people on
[03:19:14.960 --> 03:19:20.160]  our own side i agree i agree well thank you so much for coming on i'm glad you're feeling better
[03:19:20.160 --> 03:19:26.960]  and folks if you want to know what is happening at the epicenter and somebody who stays on top of it
[03:19:27.520 --> 03:19:32.880]  and and sees what is happening across the political and economic spectrum that's steve
[03:19:32.880 --> 03:19:37.680]  malloy at junk science.com thank you very much steve appreciate it david thanks for having me
[03:19:37.680 --> 03:19:42.720]  thank you all right folks in the little bit of time that we have left i i can't let today's show
[03:19:42.720 --> 03:19:48.560]  end without talking about the new historical location or as some people have said a new
[03:19:48.560 --> 03:19:56.960]  historical location on google maps and that is brandon falls yes people actually got it on
[03:19:57.040 --> 03:20:04.320]  google maps for about a day they marked the spot where biden fell off of his bicycle they marked
[03:20:04.320 --> 03:20:09.520]  it as brandon falls and then google removed it after people started leaving reviews and so
[03:20:09.520 --> 03:20:15.840]  then somebody put up a bicycle shop at the same location and the comments and the reviews of the
[03:20:15.840 --> 03:20:22.480]  bicycle shop were were great very nice place to ride a bike be careful not to cause too much
[03:20:22.480 --> 03:20:26.720]  inflation in your tires or you can end up crashing your whole bike into the ground but
[03:20:26.720 --> 03:20:33.520]  what happens you just blame putin and people will fall for it another one said the bicycle
[03:20:33.520 --> 03:20:40.560]  shop there brandon's bicycle shop wonderful place better than niagara falls a true hysterical
[03:20:40.560 --> 03:20:47.520]  landmark i came across this place by accident on my bicycle get your ice cream there as well
[03:20:48.080 --> 03:20:53.760]  but leave your kids at home and that was echoed by other people who said great tacos and ice cream
[03:20:53.760 --> 03:21:00.000]  at the brandon bicycle shop but it is not kid friendly not kid friends somebody else who is
[03:21:00.000 --> 03:21:06.560]  not kid friendly is nicky haley i like this headline hillary clinton levels of cringe that
[03:21:06.560 --> 03:21:14.960]  was a comment of one person who was looking at nicky haley so desperate for power that is a very
[03:21:14.960 --> 03:21:21.600]  big warning sign one of the most vicious authoritarian warmongers i have ever seen in
[03:21:21.600 --> 03:21:27.280]  my life from any political party is nicky haley and i for the life of me can't understand why
[03:21:27.280 --> 03:21:32.480]  so many christians find her attractive that's the end of our show thank you for joining us
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