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[00:58.960 --> 01:11.200] benefits are available to those who qualify. All right and joining us now is Dr. Richard Restak
[01:11.200 --> 01:19.280] MD and he is a neuroscientist as well and he has written a lot of books on the brain and now this
[01:19.280 --> 01:25.040] is one kind of the nexus of our brain and artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get
[01:25.040 --> 01:30.400] him on because we as you know we talk about AI and its impact on society quite a bit.
[01:30.400 --> 01:35.520] Thank you for joining us Dr. Restak. Well I'm happy to be here thank you David.
[01:35.520 --> 01:40.080] You've written so many books and the best-selling author and of course people can find this on
[01:40.080 --> 01:44.720] Amazon. You've written so many books. What is different about the brain? What is different
[01:44.720 --> 01:52.160] about this one and why did you write this book? I wrote this book to announce and to discuss
[01:52.880 --> 02:01.040] the dangers that are lurking so to speak in the 21st century and are unique to the 21st century
[02:01.040 --> 02:06.720] but are having an effect on the brain and a negative one so that we really are imperiled by
[02:07.280 --> 02:16.160] eight different factors one of which is the global warming. We have new diseases that are present in
[02:16.160 --> 02:23.200] the 21st century that are increasing starting with COVID moving forward. We have problems of course
[02:23.200 --> 02:30.400] with the global warming which we'll talk about in more detail and then the internet. The effect of
[02:30.400 --> 02:37.520] the internet. The effect of AI. Memory. The alteration. The attempt to alter memory almost
[02:37.520 --> 02:44.880] to alter our memories of what the past was like. This is an ongoing enterprise by various governments
[02:44.880 --> 02:51.520] in the world including our own. We also have surveillance. The seventh the surveillance
[02:51.520 --> 02:58.960] becoming increasingly a surveillance society. It's almost impossible to not be revealing things
[02:58.960 --> 03:04.240] about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere. I can give you several
[03:04.240 --> 03:09.520] examples of that just in my own personal life and then finally the eighth one is anxiety.
[03:10.160 --> 03:16.720] All of these things are creating what I call an existential anxiety. People are being given
[03:17.280 --> 03:24.320] information but it's being molded according to the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power.
[03:24.960 --> 03:31.760] For instance let's take today's right out of today's New York Times on page A7 there's an
[03:31.760 --> 03:40.000] article called the air in New Delhi is life threatening and it tells the tale of the New
[03:40.000 --> 03:46.640] York Times reporters who have spread themselves throughout New Delhi from 6 a.m. until late in the
[03:46.640 --> 03:54.240] evening of a certain day recently and they measured the particulate matter in the air
[03:54.240 --> 04:00.800] and it was anywhere from 10 times to 30 times as great as would be considered
[04:01.440 --> 04:09.680] minimally normal. Now on top of that you have the statement that they state that the government is
[04:09.680 --> 04:18.480] actually trying to hide this kind of insight to the populace by spraying water and other things
[04:18.480 --> 04:24.880] like that. It says that they're doing this around the measuring stations and they're also losing
[04:24.880 --> 04:31.120] data from measuring stations during the worst amounts of pollution. So there you have the
[04:32.400 --> 04:38.800] molding of the facts either denying them all together or trying to improve them so people
[04:38.800 --> 04:43.280] say oh well they measured it down at such and such a measuring station and it was really not
[04:43.280 --> 04:48.240] all that high. Well of course they were spreading water and other things to try to reduce this.
[04:49.280 --> 04:55.600] So we've got a capitalist society here in the United States which has a vested interest in
[04:56.560 --> 05:03.520] pushing forward certain scientific points of view. So science is being put sort of in the back seat
[05:04.000 --> 05:08.000] and there's politicians and other people all of whom share one thing,
[05:08.720 --> 05:14.640] capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of or which they are advancing.
[05:16.320 --> 05:23.760] And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get protection and subsidies as well and the control
[05:23.760 --> 05:28.880] is being taken away from us because as I was just reporting earlier today they're working very hard
[05:28.880 --> 05:35.280] to make sure that state and local governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence
[05:35.280 --> 05:42.080] and that came up in the context of talking about how the manufacturers of tasers also big
[05:42.080 --> 05:46.480] manufacturers of police body cams how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence
[05:47.200 --> 05:51.200] and the question is you know what could possibly go wrong with that if they identify you they
[05:51.200 --> 05:57.040] misidentify you as a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how dangerous you are
[05:57.040 --> 06:04.640] they could get people killed. Well not only that but all of these efforts set up a sense of
[06:05.360 --> 06:10.160] anxiety yes and fear. Let me just tell you what happened to me in one morning
[06:11.200 --> 06:16.560] called a cab to go to a medical appointment and we've started going down the road the I said to
[06:16.560 --> 06:22.080] the driver you know you're not going the most efficient or the quickest way he said I know that
[06:22.080 --> 06:26.960] he said but I don't want to go that way because there's speed cameras I said well you know you
[06:26.960 --> 06:33.120] are driving very sensibly and you're not speeding and I'm in no hurry so what's the problem he said
[06:33.120 --> 06:37.840] well they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras because they want to see who's in
[06:37.840 --> 06:44.080] those photos in those cars yes so I asked him to give me a reference for that and he got sort of
[06:44.080 --> 06:48.720] didn't say anything else for the rest of the trip so when I got down to the medical building
[06:48.720 --> 06:56.240] I got in the elevator and said in this facility there is surveillance both obvious and hidden
[06:57.280 --> 07:04.880] that's interesting and the Santa Claus was watching you now this is all one morning and then when I got
[07:04.880 --> 07:12.880] up to sign in I signed the board with the electronic pen and I didn't see you go no signature I saw it
[07:12.880 --> 07:17.600] I said well it didn't take she said oh it took but we don't allow it to go on the screen so it could
[07:17.600 --> 07:23.280] be seen I said why is that she said well somebody behind you might see the thing and then remember
[07:23.280 --> 07:29.200] and use your firm your signature to forward something somewhere well first of all there
[07:29.200 --> 07:35.280] was a sign that said stand 10 feet back and secondly there's nobody else behind me so there's
[07:35.280 --> 07:41.760] three examples just drawn at random that were becoming an increasingly surveilled society which
[07:41.760 --> 07:47.680] is creating a sense of paranoia and a sense of fear so the brain has to adjust to these type of
[07:47.760 --> 07:54.400] things Dave and it's very hard to do and I think that is calculated you know they they've been
[07:54.400 --> 07:58.880] they want to do this even to the extent when you talk about these cameras taking everybody's
[07:58.880 --> 08:03.280] picture the the flock network that is out there this corporation that is saying well we can do
[08:03.280 --> 08:09.440] whatever we want because it's in public space and and you know we're we're not government so
[08:09.440 --> 08:14.240] we can collect this information and yet they collect it in order to sell it to the government
[08:14.240 --> 08:20.080] so it's just one level indirect but they not only grab your license plate but they also
[08:20.640 --> 08:26.000] do a complete profile of your car and all of its idiosyncrasies does it have a dent here does it
[08:26.000 --> 08:30.960] have a scrape there what about a bumper sticker so it creates a model of your car and so they
[08:30.960 --> 08:37.600] almost have like you know biometric identification of your cars as well as of you and this is now
[08:37.600 --> 08:43.920] made possible because of the advances of AI but this has been something that has been concerning
[08:43.920 --> 08:49.680] me I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective and this has been concerning me for
[08:49.680 --> 08:56.000] a long time the idea that government is using technology many different ways internet social
[08:56.000 --> 09:03.680] media things like that to monitor and to manipulate us all the time and to me artificial intelligence
[09:03.680 --> 09:10.400] just puts this on steroids and so I think there is something to be anxious about if we're going to
[09:11.120 --> 09:15.600] to look at this we should be concerned about it maybe not anxious but we should be concerned about
[09:16.160 --> 09:21.840] the goals of people who are putting this kind of stuff together so yeah but there's that and then
[09:21.840 --> 09:27.760] there's if you can manage to change the present you can manipulate the future of course this
[09:28.480 --> 09:34.240] real way to get it is to get control of past as Orwell pointed out yes you control the past you
[09:35.120 --> 09:39.760] you know you can control the present and then by the implication control the future
[09:39.760 --> 09:47.360] and we're seeing alterations of materials even government documents government films
[09:47.360 --> 09:54.560] documentaries things like that are being altered in ways that are not visible not I should say
[09:54.560 --> 10:00.400] detectable not detectable to the ordinary person so they get ideas about what the past was like
[10:01.200 --> 10:07.680] which are wrong and are don't show you as I mentioned in the book if you were at a
[10:08.000 --> 10:16.480] dance in 1850 before the civil war and it's a film we're watching let's just say we're watching a
[10:16.480 --> 10:22.880] film about 1850 and we're seeing people ballroom dancing all that then one of them pulls to the
[10:22.880 --> 10:28.800] side and pulls out a cell phone and you say wait a minute we didn't have cell phones then well you
[10:28.800 --> 10:35.840] know there were a lot of things that were going on now that were not going on in the past yeah and
[10:35.840 --> 10:41.760] it's not to our advantage to try to pretend that they were they weren't we have to understand the
[10:41.760 --> 10:50.160] past understand the future and we're not only creating situations that are false but we're also
[10:50.800 --> 11:00.160] like in 1984 Orwell created a character called Commander Ogilvy he was a war hero he got all
[11:00.160 --> 11:07.280] sorts of medals and it was all the proletariat were all told to honor him and so forth well he
[11:07.280 --> 11:14.560] never existed he actually was made up entirely and that's one of the things that the narrator is
[11:14.560 --> 11:23.120] doing in the job of work is filling in photographs of see inserting Ogilvy into historical events
[11:23.120 --> 11:29.760] that happened wartime scenarios etc and anyone reading it will say wow this is this is some man
[11:29.760 --> 11:37.760] well he was a complete fabrication we're just about at that point with Sora out the AI out
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[13:20.080 --> 13:25.280] David Knight and have him leading some sort of a parade or whatever and you know suddenly people
[13:25.280 --> 13:32.560] say well gosh I saw him with my own eyes so what's happening is that the actual seeing is believing
[13:32.560 --> 13:37.600] is being turned on its head so that's no longer true you're talking about a completely fabricated
[13:37.600 --> 13:42.720] character out of Orwell it's just recently they had Tilly Norwood who is a completely
[13:42.720 --> 13:49.040] fabricated AI personality and the person who came up with it has got agents representing her they
[13:49.040 --> 13:55.840] got her out there as an actress yeah it's like so I've created an AI actress which will do a lot
[13:55.840 --> 14:01.760] of different roles for you she probably does her own stunts as well I mentioned but people in sag
[14:01.760 --> 14:07.280] the screen actors guild and they're furious about this and I said any agent that represents
[14:07.280 --> 14:13.040] this AI character is not going to do any business with us but we're already at that point it truly
[14:13.040 --> 14:18.400] is interesting yeah and one of the ways of neutralizing it is to create the situation
[14:18.400 --> 14:23.520] that exists right now between you and me you're laughing and I'm laughing because it seems funny
[14:23.520 --> 14:29.840] and it is funny but it's a very serious purpose behind all this yes it's all matter to try to
[14:29.840 --> 14:37.840] alter people's perceptions so they begin to doubt the variety of what they're seeing that's right
[14:37.840 --> 14:42.800] yes and I've talked for the longest time about how the the whole idea for the internet was created
[14:42.800 --> 14:47.760] by DARPA psychologists and I've been concerned that it was all about the psychological manipulation
[14:47.760 --> 14:55.680] from the get-go with all of this but as a physician and as a neuroscientist I'd be interested in your
[14:55.680 --> 15:00.640] take on you know what is currently going on because besides manipulating the past by changing
[15:00.640 --> 15:05.360] information about the past or you know memory holding it or writing a new alternative history
[15:05.360 --> 15:11.840] of it they are also concerned and there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA and I
[15:11.840 --> 15:14.720] don't know if they've been successful or not but they you know they're putting out requests for
[15:14.720 --> 15:20.560] people to come up with things to manipulate people's memories so you've got a soldier they
[15:20.560 --> 15:26.640] say who's got bad PTSD let's get rid of that memory let's give them different memories
[15:27.920 --> 15:32.800] what do you see in terms of someone who studies the brain and neuroscience what do you see about
[15:32.800 --> 15:39.040] that what do you take is I think is the the state of the art with that well my last book was called
[15:39.040 --> 15:44.320] the complete book of memory it had to do with memory I studied memory in great detail and of
[15:44.320 --> 15:50.880] course you have to do away with the concept that memory is like a video tape or something that you
[15:50.880 --> 15:55.920] just store in your brain and when you get and want to get it you just bring it out like you bring out
[15:55.920 --> 16:02.320] a video tape it's not like that it's it's a reconstruction each time you think back to a
[16:02.320 --> 16:09.680] certain event you alter that memory so that you have memory one memory two memory three on and on
[16:09.680 --> 16:17.040] and off that's the nature of memory and memory can be manipulated it's always you know in the
[16:17.040 --> 16:22.800] courtroom they're always trying to avoid the contamination of the witness an example that
[16:22.800 --> 16:30.480] would be well which car went through the red light and to ask a witness he said oh it was it was a
[16:30.480 --> 16:35.280] red car went through the red light well wouldn't surprise you to know that it wasn't a red light
[16:35.840 --> 16:43.440] stop sign mr witness of course his credibility is gone yeah because he took the suggestion
[16:44.000 --> 16:49.440] that it was a red light instead and it would be very easy to do because you don't necessarily
[16:49.440 --> 16:55.120] have that image that intersection in your mind so that's why there's protections even in the
[16:55.120 --> 17:01.680] courtroom against leading the witness they call it in other words providing information that's
[17:01.680 --> 17:08.560] either not true at all or half true so we've got that cause this is not this didn't start in
[17:08.560 --> 17:13.920] the 21st century that that started you know as long as we've had corridors this is a more
[17:13.920 --> 17:19.920] an emphasis now on altering memory so people will not even will get up there and under cross
[17:19.920 --> 17:24.880] examination they'll do pretty well because their whole memory has been altered they've changed by
[17:24.880 --> 17:31.120] by various mechanisms suggestion repeating the information which is false of course which is
[17:31.120 --> 17:40.160] the missing information it was a cartoon about a week ago by ramirez in which he he spilt a prize
[17:40.160 --> 17:47.360] winner he has three doctors in an operating room in a laboratory one of them is looking
[17:47.360 --> 17:53.440] into a microscope and he looks up and he says this is the most dangerous pathogen we have ever
[17:53.440 --> 18:00.240] encountered and the second doctor says well is it bubonic plague is it smallpox and then the one
[18:00.240 --> 18:09.440] only says no it's misinformation disinformation that's right and and we got to be very careful
[18:09.440 --> 18:14.960] because many times the people who will tell us about that are the people who want to be the ones
[18:14.960 --> 18:20.400] who define what the information is for us and they will ask those leading questions you know when we
[18:20.400 --> 18:25.600] talk about leading questions and manipulating people there's been a lot of reports about
[18:25.680 --> 18:33.600] artificial intelligence kind of people who have a particular psychosis or something and
[18:34.880 --> 18:39.120] they get involved with the ai and it starts to confirm the things that they want because
[18:39.120 --> 18:44.960] that's what it is set up to do in terms of bias they want to you know be empathetic and sympathetic
[18:44.960 --> 18:49.680] to people and so it starts doing that and leading them further and further down a particular rabbit
[18:49.680 --> 18:56.400] hole there's been situations of you know people got into severe mental distress some suicides of
[18:56.400 --> 19:01.760] some young children and other things like that speak to that aspect of it and the real danger
[19:01.760 --> 19:08.560] of that that is really kind of i think speaks to the to the psychological aspect and potential
[19:08.560 --> 19:12.480] of artificial intelligence and that could be weaponized right now it's just kind of happening
[19:13.440 --> 19:18.640] out of their business model right but that could definitely be weaponized against people well i
[19:18.640 --> 19:23.520] talked about that in my book in the chapter on the internet there are famous examples of people
[19:23.520 --> 19:33.680] who have suicided right on the internet live feed and they've been manipulated to doing that by
[19:33.680 --> 19:40.160] other people who've encouraged them said this would be a sign of strength this would be a sign of
[19:41.680 --> 19:47.040] that you're not afraid to die if necessary and there's cases of actually led to
[19:47.920 --> 19:54.320] the suicide one of them is most grisly i have in my book about a person who was talked into pouring
[19:54.320 --> 20:02.080] gasoline over themselves and setting a match all on open feed internet and while this fire is
[20:02.080 --> 20:09.120] burning you can hear everybody in the backgrounds cheering we did it we did it we got him to do it
[20:09.120 --> 20:15.040] wow that's amazing that's amazing so there's something about the internet and about
[20:16.960 --> 20:23.520] that actually brings out sadistic criminal psychopathic trends and we don't know why
[20:24.400 --> 20:29.840] is the fact that you don't necessarily can't be identified it's something that is going to be
[20:29.840 --> 20:36.480] influencing it has influenced the internet greatly and it will continue to do so until we understand
[20:36.480 --> 20:40.960] it i think that's one of the things that's so dangerous about the things that we saw with
[20:40.960 --> 20:46.720] lockdown and other aspects of it there there's an atomization here and so many different ways
[20:46.720 --> 20:52.800] the government and tech and tech companies are trying to make sure that we don't we're not
[20:53.520 --> 20:58.480] in person with each other you know many cases hey it's ben ferguson and i want you to pause
[20:58.480 --> 21:04.480] what you're doing for just one minute and i want you to hear about alahandra she lives in a remote
[21:04.480 --> 21:11.360] community with very few resources and little to no health care so when alahandra gets sick her
[21:11.360 --> 21:19.040] parents have no real options no doctors in their community and no money for real medical care by
[21:19.040 --> 21:25.840] the third day her body was shutting down she woke up and just long enough to tell her mom i can't
[21:25.840 --> 21:32.880] take the pain anymore i can't keep going her parents drove hours to find a doctor who tried
[21:32.880 --> 21:39.680] everything but she needed a private hospital and that was impossible for her family to afford
[21:39.680 --> 21:46.640] and that is when compassion international stepped in now through compassion alahandra was treated
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[22:56.080 --> 23:00.560] this interview we couldn't do this interview if we both had if one of both of us had to travel
[23:01.200 --> 23:08.640] we're able to do this because we can do it over zoom or whatever but just taking ordinary things
[23:08.640 --> 23:14.960] that you would normally do in terms of interacting with people in school or in church or in your
[23:14.960 --> 23:19.360] community or whatever taking that away and putting a screen between the two of you it really does
[23:19.360 --> 23:24.400] change the way people interact with each other i remember ariel morris the film director was able
[23:24.400 --> 23:28.960] to get people to say all kinds of things to him he got a murderer to confess he got
[23:30.480 --> 23:36.320] he got robert mcnamara to confess about the false flag of the vietnam war he got people to say all
[23:36.320 --> 23:40.800] kinds of stuff because there was that distance between him and them he could have interviewed
[23:40.800 --> 23:45.680] them in person but what he did was he put an interrotron which he is what he called it it was
[23:45.680 --> 23:50.800] basically a teleprompter that he had set up so he could do two-way communication at the time and
[23:50.800 --> 23:56.800] once he had that distance there then it completely changed the dynamics that he would have
[23:57.360 --> 24:01.200] versus with somebody person to person and that's what we're talking about here isn't it
[24:02.240 --> 24:05.680] yeah we're talking about that and of course there's integrations of this
[24:05.680 --> 24:10.240] and it continues like we're we're you're interviewing me we're discussing i feel like
[24:10.240 --> 24:15.760] it's a discussion uh if i were to say something uh that later i regretted i could probably say
[24:15.760 --> 24:17.840] oh well that wasn't me that was my avatar
[24:20.400 --> 24:24.240] or my agent right yeah i got an ai agent that's out there
[24:27.520 --> 24:33.680] that's right it's crazy we also see though as a doctor you're seeing um people have noticed
[24:33.680 --> 24:38.400] actual physical changes that can be observed in people's brains from i'm thinking of the story
[24:38.400 --> 24:43.600] about the london taxi drivers who would do the knowledge and they would find that after they
[24:43.600 --> 24:50.320] memorized uh all these factual details and and drew on that all the time in order to take people
[24:50.320 --> 24:55.520] to uh you know this very complicated city with its complicated streets that they had a particular
[24:55.520 --> 25:01.520] part of their brain that was larger than um the typical person and then they found that uh once
[25:01.520 --> 25:05.600] they stopped doing that it started to shrink again and we're starting to see that happening
[25:05.600 --> 25:10.160] with uh people in a lot of different areas of their life that kind of atrophy and it's
[25:10.160 --> 25:16.480] physically observable isn't it well it is you have to learn you have to use the things that
[25:16.480 --> 25:22.160] you have learned to do like i mentioned in my memory book there's all kinds of memory exercises
[25:22.160 --> 25:28.000] that you could do i do them every day and they're very easy and they keep help you to continue with
[25:28.000 --> 25:32.880] your with your memory uh everything to keep it sharp give us some examples i'm sure everybody
[25:32.880 --> 25:36.560] would love to to know that we'd all like to have a better memory what kind of what kind of things
[25:36.560 --> 25:41.520] do we can we do to exercise well think about the fact that you never had to learn pictures
[25:42.160 --> 25:48.960] when you were an infant a young child a picture was something that you could you may not know
[25:48.960 --> 25:54.160] what you're looking at but you could see it without an intermediary whereas language is something that
[25:54.160 --> 26:01.520] you have to hear from other people it's something that's sort of added on to the brain okay so as
[26:01.520 --> 26:10.880] a result the most best way of remembering something is to make a uh uh image for it
[26:10.880 --> 26:17.920] okay for instance um i have a little dog called a skipper key skipper key is a belgian
[26:18.560 --> 26:23.440] dog he's a nice little fellow and but it was embarrassing to me when walking the street people
[26:23.440 --> 26:28.480] say what kind of a dog is that and how could he come up with a name because it was such a
[26:28.480 --> 26:34.080] complicated i thought that's skipper i didn't speak any dutch or anything so then i got this
[26:34.080 --> 26:43.520] image of a small boat with a large captain with a beard holding a big key so it was skipper key
[26:43.520 --> 26:48.000] and i remember forever so i was gonna have the picture once i have the picture it's easy to do
[26:48.800 --> 26:53.840] um another way easy way to do it and you can do that with all kinds of times all the time
[26:53.920 --> 27:01.120] i was going upstairs before i came down to the office and i wanted to get my wallet and i wanted
[27:01.120 --> 27:07.840] to get my cell phone so i just had an image of a wallet in the form of a cell phone and i was
[27:07.840 --> 27:13.760] walking up the stairs talking into the wallet cell phone so i got up and i knew i had these two
[27:13.760 --> 27:19.520] elements to get be very easy to get one and forget the other so that you have these images all the
[27:19.600 --> 27:26.000] time and the quickest you know this is sort of off the topic of the book but if you want to have a
[27:27.040 --> 27:36.720] firepower memory for um a load of things that's up to 10 things and get 10 areas that you are
[27:36.720 --> 27:44.880] familiar with that you see every day and then you can put on those images the thing you're trying
[27:44.880 --> 27:56.800] to remember so if i'm trying to remember a loaf of bread milk maybe a batteries i have a regular
[27:56.800 --> 28:04.480] way of doing that i have like i remember my the library that's near my home the uh coffee shop
[28:04.480 --> 28:10.240] liquor store georgetown university medical school where i went georgetown university
[28:10.800 --> 28:18.080] uh cafe milano which is a place in washington everybody gathers and then um key bridge
[28:18.960 --> 28:26.320] iwo jima memorial and uh reagan airport so that bread would be for instance the loaf of bread i
[28:26.320 --> 28:31.280] would look in the window of the library instead of seeing books i'd see bread loaves of bread
[28:31.840 --> 28:36.560] and when i get down to the to the liquor store instead of it being filled with liquor
[28:36.560 --> 28:41.920] they'd all be milk bottles so that's how i get to it so i have those 10 so i can get 10 items
[28:41.920 --> 28:48.000] together without any uh any problems at all that's great yeah you know it's interesting to talk about
[28:48.000 --> 28:54.320] the uh the importance of a visualization it's one of the things that i do um in terms of preparing
[28:54.320 --> 28:59.760] for the show i have a lot of articles that i go through and it's really when i highlight things
[28:59.760 --> 29:03.440] or when i write them down that's when i can remember them if i don't do that if i were just
[29:03.440 --> 29:08.240] to read these things i wouldn't remember them but if i interact with it and write it down that
[29:08.240 --> 29:14.000] helps me to remember it so that is a kind of visualization there i guess as well um it is um
[29:14.640 --> 29:18.640] it truly is interesting and what you said earlier about memory not being something that is stored
[29:18.640 --> 29:23.920] in a place as somebody coming from a computer science background um that was a very different
[29:23.920 --> 29:29.600] thing when you construct your your memory you know how do you reconstruct that i mean that that
[29:29.600 --> 29:35.440] that as opens up a whole new area of questions as well in other words if every time somebody
[29:35.440 --> 29:40.880] brings up a subject i mean there there isn't something that's stored initially to reference
[29:40.880 --> 29:46.400] that and then rebuild from that um there's that plus there's inner there's the interconnections
[29:46.400 --> 29:51.440] like you know somebody listening to us might say well gee this is called the 21st century of
[29:51.440 --> 29:55.440] brain but i haven't heard that much about the brain well let me just link that up so these
[29:55.440 --> 30:01.200] things make sense um we have a new version or i should say a new understanding of the brain
[30:01.200 --> 30:08.480] called the connectomic brain in which there's all kinds of interactions in the brain of parts of
[30:08.480 --> 30:14.480] the brain which you don't we're just learning about i have the i use the metaphor of a bowl
[30:14.480 --> 30:20.640] of spaghetti you pull out one of the strains of spaghetti and you never have any idea what
[30:20.640 --> 30:26.800] it's connected to how many other strains of spaghetti this is connected to so that's if
[30:26.800 --> 30:33.840] you think of the brain as being kind of set to make connections that's its natural
[30:34.400 --> 30:39.760] processing hey it's ben ferguson and i want you to pause what you're doing for just one minute
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[32:14.400 --> 32:20.400] these things that we were talking about earlier you know global warming and memory and surveillance
[32:20.400 --> 32:27.360] and all that how are we going to solve all those well somehow or other those things are connected
[32:27.360 --> 32:35.840] with each other that's the take-home message of this book and the basic goal is to try to figure
[32:35.840 --> 32:44.480] out what it is that connects these things what it is that would allow us to to by solving one of them
[32:45.120 --> 32:52.240] solve the other and i mentioned at the end of the book experts so far haven't done it
[32:52.880 --> 32:59.920] so it's useful as hiac said to get ordinary people to give when i say ordinary i mean
[32:59.920 --> 33:05.360] non-specialized people to give their ideas gee i wonder what such and such would happen
[33:06.480 --> 33:09.600] what would happen about global warming for a while there was in fact there's still
[33:10.240 --> 33:17.040] experiments going on on the effect of sulfur that would would help the the co2 problem
[33:17.680 --> 33:24.240] um and you know shooting sulfur up into the into the atmosphere of course the reason for that was
[33:24.240 --> 33:32.880] the volcano in 1980 something in which after that volcano in hawaii it was noted that the
[33:33.680 --> 33:39.440] air was clearer and it was less pollution so that's something to think about is there some
[33:39.520 --> 33:48.560] way of using that particular sulfur experiment to decrease global warming um war for instance we
[33:48.560 --> 33:55.280] don't think of war as a cause of global warming but it is or co2 their own clear warning yeah
[33:56.480 --> 34:04.400] what up since the uh the ukraine war and the gaza war uh then you know tremendous amount that's
[34:04.400 --> 34:09.840] going to overcome and exceed the benefit of any of these things like you know
[34:11.120 --> 34:17.040] non-gasoline engines but you know using things like that absolutely yeah it's kind of like you
[34:17.040 --> 34:23.040] know shooting up uh rockets in order to put satellites up you know how many how many cars
[34:23.040 --> 34:28.240] and lifetime use of cars from people would that be equivalent to and then you start talking about
[34:28.240 --> 34:33.520] all the missiles that are being shot and then you get to the explosives as well uh it is really
[34:33.600 --> 34:40.480] interesting how they focus us on their objectives for their ways to control us the manipulations
[34:40.480 --> 34:47.600] been going on for quite some time um and um so yeah that is um it is pretty amazing and i guess
[34:47.600 --> 34:52.720] that's my you know my my uh when you look at this stuff it really does look like science fiction and
[34:52.720 --> 34:57.360] i'm almost inclined to write it off when i first see it when darpa is saying well we need to find
[34:57.440 --> 35:03.600] some way that we can uh you know erase memories and people and insert new memories into them
[35:03.600 --> 35:10.240] i'm going back to total recall right uh so it sounds like something from a philip k dick novel
[35:10.240 --> 35:14.400] but uh they're really working on that and i guess one of the most striking things we saw we reported
[35:14.400 --> 35:21.200] on a couple of weeks ago and it was a company that was bragging about how they could read your mind
[35:22.400 --> 35:26.160] more accurately and quickly than their competitors because there's a lot of different
[35:26.160 --> 35:32.400] companies that are doing this and how they could um uh it's called brain it was the name of the
[35:32.400 --> 35:41.440] company and so they had a way that they would do um mri and they could um uh essentially train it
[35:41.440 --> 35:45.200] on your brain in a much shorter period of time the other people and they could get much better
[35:45.200 --> 35:50.240] results our producers just pull this up so what they do is they show you an image and you're
[35:50.240 --> 35:54.720] looking at that image and then it's reading your mind and reconstructing what you're looking at
[35:54.720 --> 35:58.560] which i thought was absolutely amazing and terrifying at the same time
[35:59.200 --> 36:03.840] how is this going to be used i guess that's the real issue when we start talking about all these
[36:03.840 --> 36:09.440] different things i think that is the real case that it's difficult for people to understand just
[36:09.440 --> 36:15.360] how far and how quickly the technology has progressed and then to say and how do we control
[36:15.360 --> 36:23.520] this uh from it being used for for bad purposes well that's a specifically 21st century problem
[36:23.520 --> 36:29.360] yes because all of these things have either originated in the 21st century or they have in
[36:29.360 --> 36:36.800] fact further developed and become increasingly threatening and bear in mind we have to uh have
[36:36.800 --> 36:40.800] to solve these problems because they're not something that's going to go away and then the
[36:40.800 --> 36:48.160] most important thing to remember david is that all of these things harm the brain and the brain is the
[36:48.160 --> 36:54.720] thinking processor that's going to save us it's going to figure out what the problems what the
[36:54.720 --> 37:01.760] solutions to the problems are so we know now that wildfire smoke for instance it creates dementia
[37:02.320 --> 37:09.760] it enhances the the likelihood of somebody coming to manage so as the brain is affected negatively
[37:09.760 --> 37:15.840] increasingly over longer and longer periods of time our ability to solve these problems is going
[37:15.840 --> 37:21.920] to decrease so we've got to do it now we've got to get serious about it and this business of people
[37:21.920 --> 37:29.200] getting up and saying the global warming is fiction and all that is is really very uh very disturbing
[37:30.480 --> 37:34.960] yeah well you know the example that you gave earlier of um of the fact that the indian
[37:34.960 --> 37:39.600] government was manipulating the temperature at some of the stations there uh that kind of works
[37:39.600 --> 37:46.160] both ways they have put some of these temperature stations on airport tarmacs and in the uk they have
[37:46.880 --> 37:50.880] a lot of the temperature stations that they've got there they're just extrapolating the data they
[37:50.880 --> 37:56.000] don't have real temperature measurement stations there so it all really gets back i think to the
[37:56.000 --> 38:00.720] scientific method and and that's really where we have to hold people's feet to the fire we're
[38:00.720 --> 38:06.080] talking about something like that we can have an absolute standard of what truth is and that truth
[38:06.080 --> 38:11.920] is going to be being able to measure something accurately and being able to reproduce that and
[38:11.920 --> 38:17.680] then i think a good yardstick for that is when somebody is trying to hide their data that's
[38:17.680 --> 38:22.320] that's the clue right there that they're not doing science because if they're doing science
[38:22.320 --> 38:25.600] and they're there they've come to the right conclusion they don't have a problem with
[38:25.600 --> 38:31.200] somebody looking at their data and so i've got a question here for you from a person in the
[38:31.200 --> 38:37.440] audience asking if you know about doctors james giordano and charles morgan their work with
[38:37.440 --> 38:41.360] military i'm not familiar with those names i don't know if you know anything about that or not
[38:42.080 --> 38:47.920] the giordano says familiar what what particular uh thing are they asking about them i don't know
[38:47.920 --> 38:51.520] it just says their work with military i guess it would have to do with something but you haven't
[38:51.520 --> 38:58.640] heard of it i i'm not sure i could say giordano did this or did that not sure i understand um
[38:58.640 --> 39:04.240] yeah let's talk a little bit about the things that we have been anxious about and of course
[39:04.240 --> 39:08.800] as as christians we have one answer to it but you talk about how this is something that has been
[39:09.360 --> 39:15.280] you know around pretty much all of our life i mean there was i grew up with anxiety about nuclear
[39:15.280 --> 39:22.480] war for example that was on everybody's television and that was a forefront of our mind especially
[39:22.480 --> 39:27.040] growing up in in florida when the cuban missile crisis was happening they got us really afraid
[39:27.040 --> 39:30.400] of that when i was in elementary school you know it's like there's not gonna be enough time for
[39:30.400 --> 39:35.840] you to get home you know the nuclear bombs start falling and so i mean there's all these different
[39:35.840 --> 39:42.800] ways that you can panic people i guess part of it is how do we identify the real problems and how do
[39:42.800 --> 39:50.000] we deal with those problems because there's always things that are competing for our tension and our
[39:50.000 --> 39:54.720] anxiety many of which are not real you know and usually the things that you're really the most
[39:54.720 --> 39:59.600] concerned about don't happen and it may be sometimes because you have taken a precaution
[39:59.600 --> 40:02.960] about it what would you say about that about anxiety
[40:08.000 --> 40:12.240] you're starting to break up a little bit can you hear me clearly i hear you yes yes sorry
[40:12.240 --> 40:16.960] about that you you're talking about breaking up a little bit uh you're talking about traumatizing
[40:16.960 --> 40:22.160] a population um you know what do i do to guard against that type of thing and of course that's
[40:22.160 --> 40:27.920] going to really escalate with the ability of ai to create a narrative
[40:30.720 --> 40:36.560] yeah well let's talk about it as an avenue to get into that let's go back to what you brought about
[40:37.120 --> 40:42.720] the atomic weapons and the atomic war and the fears of people that there's going to be another
[40:42.720 --> 40:49.760] atomic war i mean you know this is not unrealistic there's even been a move has just come out that's
[40:49.760 --> 40:55.760] getting all kinds of attention as you know and it has to do with the threat of a nuclear war
[40:56.320 --> 41:02.320] things in the uh if you look at what's happening in the in the europe right now there's all kinds
[41:02.320 --> 41:07.840] of suggestions that could lead to a nuclear war i mean ukraine now has announced that they're
[41:07.840 --> 41:15.120] under no conditions willing to give up any land and uh stalin is i mean putin is thinking what he
[41:15.120 --> 41:21.840] can do to change that what maybe he'll attack another country i mean this is scary stuff so
[41:21.840 --> 41:27.840] what's happening in response for the government is to try to show that uh oh we shouldn't worry
[41:27.840 --> 41:31.200] about it we have things under control but i don't think things are under control
[41:33.200 --> 41:37.360] um and and you know we've talked about the problems and we talked about problems
[41:37.360 --> 41:44.720] you have your final chapter is new ways of thinking and um i'd like to talk about that
[41:44.720 --> 41:48.720] uh one of the things that you say is ockham was wrong ockham's razor that
[41:49.520 --> 41:52.720] you know people are familiar with tell us a little bit about that why is ockham wrong
[41:54.640 --> 41:59.760] well because he says that you know the entities are not to be multiplied meaning that we can
[41:59.760 --> 42:06.400] always explain things best by limiting ourselves to the minimal amount of factors ideally one
[42:06.400 --> 42:11.920] one cause of every fact that's not true it's certainly not true in the 21st century where
[42:11.920 --> 42:19.280] there's all kinds of interactions between factors and causes so that ockham was wrong in that
[42:19.280 --> 42:24.880] basis we have to think of an interconnecting pool just as in the brain of interconnections of
[42:24.880 --> 42:29.680] neurons interconnections of these problems and they're all related they're all related
[42:29.680 --> 42:34.960] all eight of them i talk about in my book they're all related and if you can figure a way of
[42:34.960 --> 42:40.800] influencing one you influence all the others um i mean who would think there'd be a connection
[42:40.800 --> 42:47.680] between global warming and the amount of uh artisan and uh cheese for instance high end
[42:47.680 --> 42:52.880] cheese well there is because uh they don't chickens don't lay the many eggs and it'd be
[42:52.880 --> 42:59.120] all the various other things to come on in terms of making cheese i learned that learned that the
[42:59.120 --> 43:03.680] other day that was something that was a surprise to me you know it's kind of interesting we talk
[43:03.680 --> 43:08.800] about connections so much there was a a series that was i think it was on pbs i think the guy's
[43:08.800 --> 43:12.720] name was burke i can't remember his first name i'm not sure about the last time but he had a
[43:12.720 --> 43:17.920] series called connections and and i thought it was fascinating because what he would do is he would
[43:17.920 --> 43:24.720] take a whole series of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved you know so he
[43:24.720 --> 43:31.120] might go from you know the quill to the uh to the jet engine or something like that and it was a
[43:31.120 --> 43:36.080] fascinating fascinating thread of things is very much like what you're talking about
[43:39.760 --> 43:44.400] it really is and i did i did consult his work actually did you when i was writing this book
[43:44.400 --> 43:49.520] because he did that connections he did a book called the day the world changed and all this
[43:49.520 --> 43:55.200] he also did a book called circles in which he would start with one particular event that had
[43:55.200 --> 44:00.960] carried in history and if you go around the circle you come back to the beginning where it started
[44:00.960 --> 44:06.160] where he this particular inventor invented something what led up to it what was the circle
[44:06.160 --> 44:10.880] leading to that so yes we're talking about connections and we're talking about the
[44:10.880 --> 44:18.320] inability to understand things without reference to supporting and accessory factors we have that
[44:18.320 --> 44:23.840] going on all the time denying things that are going to be happening of course i think the
[44:23.840 --> 44:30.080] fearful thing is that the government is is is aiding in this denial because if you deny that
[44:30.080 --> 44:37.360] there's a problem and there's very little impetus to try to solve it you know yeah and there ain't
[44:37.360 --> 44:44.880] no problem don't try to solve it they're uh they're throwing out their own um chaos and
[44:44.880 --> 44:50.960] uncertainty and anxiety that's out there all the time all the always i guess so the question is
[44:50.960 --> 44:56.080] she's talking about uh volatility uncertainty complexity and ambiguity i mean it sounds like
[44:56.080 --> 44:59.920] a government policy i think they've got bureaucracies that specialize in that
[45:01.760 --> 45:07.200] yeah yeah well actually that's true yeah that's in your section there about new ways of thinking
[45:07.200 --> 45:12.400] and so how do we incorporate that in the new ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle
[45:14.240 --> 45:22.960] well each of those factors is a factor that helps you to understand things and to have more control
[45:22.960 --> 45:27.600] doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to link them together that has to be done by original
[45:27.600 --> 45:33.040] thinking by uh you have to be you know under those things you things are volatile you don't have a
[45:33.680 --> 45:40.560] basic uh situation that doesn't change it changes all the time hey it's ben ferguson and i want you
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[47:39.440 --> 47:45.200] thing that i want to emphasize the most is that is the role of capitalism in all of this
[47:45.840 --> 47:52.240] i mean there's all this like the the private equity the the business of people having a
[47:52.240 --> 48:00.240] point of view that is going to advance them financially and that blinding them to the
[48:00.320 --> 48:05.600] problems that are here like for instance we talked about global warming well the rich people are very
[48:05.600 --> 48:12.400] rich people are buying multi-million dollar apartments and condominiums which have special
[48:12.400 --> 48:20.080] air filters which will keep the wildfire smoke out and will try to keep the global warming effect
[48:21.680 --> 48:23.440] at bay by superpower
[48:24.160 --> 48:29.440] uh hair conditioners so of course of course they're building they're building their own
[48:29.440 --> 48:36.480] bunkers too they're doing things that are creating all kinds of chaos and and uh you know weapons of
[48:36.480 --> 48:41.840] war mass destruction they're out there building super bunkers in various places as well so i think
[48:41.840 --> 48:47.280] they're somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing well it's basically the idea is that you
[48:47.280 --> 48:51.600] know we don't care about the ordinary person we're going to survive we're going to see to
[48:51.600 --> 48:57.120] our own survival and if we end in order to do that we have to deny certain things that are
[48:57.120 --> 49:03.120] that are going on we'll do so now incidentally all of this is not conscious thinking they don't
[49:03.120 --> 49:09.200] necessarily say well i'm going to deny global warming because it'll be to my advantage financially
[49:09.200 --> 49:15.040] because all my investment is in the coal the oil and gas industry they don't they don't do it that
[49:15.040 --> 49:21.040] way they come up with pseudo logic things that seem to make sense to them but if they didn't
[49:21.040 --> 49:27.600] have a financial thrust in the matter they would look out upon it quite differently that's right
[49:27.600 --> 49:33.040] we can always find a justification for what it was what it is that we really want everybody should
[49:33.040 --> 49:37.120] understand that if you're a parent this time of year at christmas time you can always understand
[49:37.120 --> 49:42.080] that people will come up with a justification for what they want and that's that's as true of
[49:42.080 --> 49:46.000] government as it is of corporations out there and it's really dangerous when the two of them
[49:46.000 --> 49:49.760] connect with each other i think that's one of the things you know you talk about connections and
[49:49.760 --> 49:54.720] the importance of it and how we can try to connect these different factors each of us
[49:54.720 --> 49:59.040] individually but i think it's the the human connection that is out there that is going to
[49:59.040 --> 50:05.120] be essential for all of this it's going to be our collective work on all this what what do you think
[50:05.120 --> 50:10.240] about that would you agree with that well i'd agree with it but there's so many things that
[50:10.240 --> 50:18.160] are taking place now that are causing the shisms and yes splitting people into factors and belief
[50:18.160 --> 50:24.720] systems and political points of view and that's very dangerous because then you can't get together
[50:24.720 --> 50:31.200] any kind of unity even in the face of an emergency well i think we've always had i think we've always
[50:31.200 --> 50:35.360] had these factor you know factions and things like that you know the founders of the country
[50:35.360 --> 50:40.560] warned about factions and political parties but i think what makes it unique is that when you're
[50:40.560 --> 50:46.160] interacting with people on a personal basis you interact with them a little bit differently than
[50:46.160 --> 50:51.360] if you've got that separation between you that technology is giving us now because now you're
[50:51.360 --> 50:55.840] interacting with something that's abstract it's not with another person and there's also the
[50:55.840 --> 51:00.960] body language that you're not picking up on but it makes it easier for you to be harder on people
[51:00.960 --> 51:05.760] when there's that distance there i think that's why i think you know the personal connection i
[51:05.760 --> 51:11.280] think is really vital to making these connections and coming up with a an understanding of what's
[51:11.280 --> 51:16.080] going on when you talk about the hidden factors that are out there hidden unrelated topics other
[51:16.080 --> 51:21.360] people as you pointed out earlier just talking to ordinary people about what it is that you see
[51:21.360 --> 51:26.720] with different things i think that is the genius of the collective free market out there that
[51:27.600 --> 51:33.600] there's so many observers who are looking at things and thinking about them and it's kind
[51:33.600 --> 51:38.960] of their collective decision that is kind of guiding things along as opposed to having a
[51:38.960 --> 51:43.680] central planner who's doing that what do you think about that you you've got to in your
[51:43.920 --> 51:48.080] final chapter a new way of thinking you have what you call a sensible solution
[51:49.680 --> 51:55.760] what does that really involve i'm sorry i didn't hear what you said what's the last part you have
[51:55.760 --> 52:01.520] a sensible solution what what do you think a sensible solution to the kind of stress and
[52:01.520 --> 52:06.320] chaos and anxiety that we have manipulation that we have what is the solution to that
[52:07.040 --> 52:13.040] well i think the wikipedia is a good example of that they have people from all walks of life all
[52:13.040 --> 52:19.600] levels of education free to contribute to whatever topic they may want to do that
[52:20.160 --> 52:27.280] it may be health i mentioned earlier about the effect of global warming on the making of cheese
[52:27.920 --> 52:31.360] there might be somebody who makes cheese that's going to come up with some idea
[52:32.160 --> 52:37.280] you know we don't know that we don't know that that may not be where comes some original idea
[52:37.280 --> 52:42.160] on what to do about global warming and you put it on what i'd like to think and i hope it will be
[52:42.160 --> 52:49.920] developed a kind of wikipedia where the ordinary person can feel free to put forth their ideas about
[52:49.920 --> 52:55.040] it now you say well we already have that we have the internet no we don't the internet is a
[52:55.040 --> 53:01.360] commercial situation it's all done for making money and grab attention and all that and there's no
[53:02.240 --> 53:07.760] criticism of it there's no pure review if you will that's in the wikipedia i mean you know people
[53:07.760 --> 53:12.960] can write in and say well that particular uh contribution is bonkers and then give an example
[53:12.960 --> 53:18.640] why it is or that was a very good idea and after that you begin to get things coming together
[53:19.680 --> 53:23.680] in unpredictable ways that may help us solve these eight problems
[53:25.360 --> 53:29.840] you know the problem is it seems like whenever you wind up having a form or a place where
[53:29.840 --> 53:34.240] things can be and that's true of the internet it's also true wikipedia then it becomes you have
[53:34.240 --> 53:40.880] gatekeepers who are there and we saw this in spades throughout the covid stuff that
[53:40.880 --> 53:48.000] if somebody's got a different idea rather than debate them the impetus is to silence them by
[53:48.000 --> 53:54.560] the people who are in authority and so that really i think is the key thing and and i think as part
[53:54.560 --> 54:05.520] of that we see a continuing rise in uh disgust and deprivation of you know free speech people
[54:05.520 --> 54:10.240] are not interested in the principle of free speech they don't want to have open debate
[54:10.240 --> 54:14.400] and i see this regardless of where people are coming from on the political spectrum
[54:14.400 --> 54:21.600] there is a declining interest in debate and thinking you know the debate is as critical
[54:21.600 --> 54:27.680] to critical thinking and so the people who are in charge the gatekeepers whether it's wikipedia
[54:27.680 --> 54:33.840] or the internet or you know any other form of information they are weighing in on that and they
[54:33.840 --> 54:38.960] don't want things that they disagree with and it might be because they've got an agenda or it might
[54:38.960 --> 54:45.280] be because they've just got a particular prejudice about something they want to make sure that the
[54:45.360 --> 54:51.360] contrary views don't get out there that that i think is the real key that's that's there and again
[54:51.360 --> 54:57.600] this is part of this uh atomization that we have of people uh feeding that tribalism in a way that
[54:57.600 --> 55:02.480] we've never seen it before using technology i would agree with everything you've just said
[55:02.480 --> 55:09.440] exactly and um i think we have to try to get beyond that but there we get back again to this
[55:09.440 --> 55:16.960] business of people having their own personal financial point of view and position and pushing
[55:16.960 --> 55:22.960] that basically on the fact that they look upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism
[55:22.960 --> 55:28.080] problem we've got capitalism that's what this country's all about but i mean it's in certain
[55:28.080 --> 55:33.680] parts of it now we've gotten to the point where people are unable to take another point of view
[55:33.680 --> 55:40.240] if it's going to be financially harmful and hurtful to them yeah i i think that um you know
[55:40.880 --> 55:45.280] we start looking at the tech companies i don't think that their capitalism would exist i don't
[55:45.280 --> 55:49.040] think they'd have billions of dollars if they weren't unified with the government so there's a
[55:49.040 --> 55:56.640] there's a symbiosis there that uh the two of these uh entities feed off of each other and i think
[55:56.640 --> 56:02.400] that's right that nexus right there is the is a difficult thing and um and so i think you know
[56:02.400 --> 56:07.120] when i think of capitalism i i don't like to refer to capitalism anymore because i
[56:07.120 --> 56:13.440] i think of it as a partnership a public-private partnership some kind of a economic fascism where
[56:13.440 --> 56:17.920] they are working together but i like to think of a free competitive market where the government
[56:18.560 --> 56:23.360] doesn't have any role except as some kind of a referee between two parties that have a conflict
[56:23.360 --> 56:28.320] or something but yeah that's a that's the thing that's really driving this you know many people
[56:28.320 --> 56:31.280] when they talk about ai they said well you know here's a couple different outcomes
[56:32.160 --> 56:35.440] maybe this stuff really works the way it's supposed to work and takes everybody's jobs
[56:35.440 --> 56:39.840] and we wind up with a depression or maybe it doesn't work at all in which case the big
[56:40.400 --> 56:44.560] ai stock bubble that we've got burst and everybody loses their job because of that
[56:45.200 --> 56:49.840] and so well there's a third alternative and that is that the government keeps propping it up with
[56:49.840 --> 56:58.960] public funds because it feeds their surveillance and manipulation needs their ability to surveil
[56:58.960 --> 57:04.320] and to control us and i really think that that's where this is all going to head i don't really
[57:04.320 --> 57:07.680] you know those other two things may happen and they may be true but i think
[57:07.680 --> 57:13.360] there is a customer out there for the ai stuff that is driving all this stuff that has been
[57:13.360 --> 57:16.960] putting out these proposals for the longest time and that's governments governments around the
[57:16.960 --> 57:22.160] world i mean we look at the brain project that we had a few years ago that was during the obama
[57:22.160 --> 57:28.000] administration but things like the brain computer interface that elon musk and many other tech
[57:28.000 --> 57:32.880] companies are doing out there this neural link and there's a lot of them that are doing that
[57:33.440 --> 57:40.080] that's being driven by the government wanting to connect into our minds hack into our minds really
[57:40.080 --> 57:46.480] and they've been funding that kind of so how do we how do we break that yeah on the musk side it
[57:46.480 --> 57:51.520] sees doing it for money i mean obviously to make money that's right so that there's an unholy
[57:51.520 --> 57:57.040] alliance if you will between someone who's can't see anything other than the dollar and another
[57:57.040 --> 58:01.360] side the government can't see anything other than increasing power and surveillance over the
[58:01.360 --> 58:06.880] population yeah that's right absolutely true well it's a fascinating book it's fascinating
[58:06.880 --> 58:13.520] take on this and and of course you've written many books on the brain the memory one very
[58:13.520 --> 58:19.920] interesting and and you do have sections about memory in this book as well and people be able
[58:19.920 --> 58:24.960] to find this on amazon i guess is the best place that they can find it looking for the title of
[58:24.960 --> 58:31.680] this and um it is um you know it is something that um i think we all need to think about how
[58:31.680 --> 58:37.920] we're going to um operate the effects that this technology is having on our brains in the 21st
[58:37.920 --> 58:43.840] century and that is the title of the book the 21st century brain uh by richard restak thank
[58:43.840 --> 58:48.960] you very much dr restak thank you appreciate you coming on good day i enjoyed it very much thank
[58:48.960 --> 58:52.800] you yeah very interesting conversation thank you have a good day folks we're going to take a quick
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