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[01:57.800 --> 02:09.200]  All right, welcome back. And joining us now is Wayne Morrow.
[02:09.200 --> 02:11.600]  He is the CEO of the John Birch Society.
[02:11.600 --> 02:17.000]  And he's got something I think is very interesting to talk about.
[02:17.000 --> 02:19.600]  And that is Fabian Socialism.
[02:19.600 --> 02:26.800]  You probably heard this term before, but maybe you don't understand what it is or the difference between it and the Marx
[02:26.800 --> 02:31.700]  and Karl Marx's approach and how much more dangerous it is.
[02:31.700 --> 02:39.500]  You know, for me growing up, Fabian was a teen idol and I saw Fabian Socialism as like, what is that?
[02:39.500 --> 02:43.000]  You know, but actually he was a famous Roman general.
[02:43.000 --> 02:48.900]  And the and I guess Fabian's parents were Italian.
[02:48.900 --> 02:52.900]  And I guess maybe that was the namesake or they might have been socialist.
[02:53.800 --> 03:04.100]  But anyway, it is important to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics that they use to achieve the same totalitarian goals.
[03:04.100 --> 03:07.700]  So joining us now is Wayne Morrow, CEO of the John Birch Society.
[03:07.700 --> 03:09.200]  Thank you for joining us, sir.
[03:09.200 --> 03:11.000]  Thank you, David. Appreciate being here.
[03:11.000 --> 03:20.100]  And yeah, it's Fabian's, much like the Council on Foreign Relations, very little known about people in their respective countries.
[03:20.100 --> 03:22.600]  Sort of that secretive behind the scenes group.
[03:22.600 --> 03:24.900]  You know, that's part of the plan, you know.
[03:24.900 --> 03:33.800]  And you mentioned you told me just as we were talking here, just before you came on, how you there is also a book that the John Birch Society sells called the Fabian Freeway.
[03:33.800 --> 03:36.000]  Yes, very in-depth book.
[03:36.000 --> 03:40.500]  Yeah, yeah, it's a book we've written past and we republished it.
[03:40.500 --> 03:43.400]  We have our own publishing company called the Western Islands.
[03:43.400 --> 03:47.600]  And the Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis of the Fabians.
[03:47.700 --> 03:51.500]  And how it impacted even our U.S. policies and our foreign policies.
[03:51.500 --> 03:56.800]  It all ties together, but it's a real good book and it's over about 600 pages.
[03:56.800 --> 03:59.500]  So it's not a quick read, but it's in-depth.
[03:59.500 --> 04:04.500]  And I think it's for people who are serious students about history and what goes on today.
[04:04.500 --> 04:07.900]  Surely, I call it we're the top of the puzzle box, you know.
[04:07.900 --> 04:09.400]  Now we understand what goes on.
[04:09.400 --> 04:11.100]  That's right. That's right.
[04:11.100 --> 04:13.600]  But tell us a little bit about us, about Fabian socialism.
[04:13.800 --> 04:19.900]  What was it about that general that they liked and how does that tell us about their tactics?
[04:19.900 --> 04:22.400]  And how is it different from Marxism?
[04:22.400 --> 04:23.400]  Well, that's a good question.
[04:23.400 --> 04:27.800]  Well, anyway, the genesis is, as you mentioned, Quintus Fabius Maximus.
[04:27.800 --> 04:31.700]  He was a Roman general, very slow moving.
[04:31.700 --> 04:37.100]  He was very, you know, quiet, but he was slow and unforceful.
[04:37.100 --> 04:42.600]  And much like the Fabians took his name because that's the process they want.
[04:42.600 --> 04:46.900]  You know, their moniker originally was wolf and sheep's clothing.
[04:46.900 --> 04:48.600]  And that didn't work over too well.
[04:48.600 --> 04:50.500]  Look at that one out for a while.
[04:50.500 --> 04:53.400]  And they said, now we'll go switch to a turtle.
[04:53.400 --> 04:56.400]  I think the Republicans and Democrats could use that imagery as well.
[04:56.400 --> 05:01.300]  A donkey and an elephant, they could have a wolf and a sheep's clothing for both of them.
[05:01.300 --> 05:04.400]  They had to change their moniker because it wasn't going over well.
[05:04.400 --> 05:10.000]  But, you know, if you go back to the genesis of it all, Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner
[05:10.000 --> 05:16.500]  were involved in forming this elite group and George Bernard Shaw was certainly one of the members
[05:16.500 --> 05:18.800]  and the web, Sidney Webb and all.
[05:18.800 --> 05:23.000]  And, you know, they were very open about socialism.
[05:23.000 --> 05:30.900]  And, you know, the dispute they had between Marx and themselves was they wanted to believe in
[05:30.900 --> 05:38.500]  the more the ethical, slow moving educational route versus violence.
[05:38.500 --> 05:41.500]  And so that was their goal.
[05:41.500 --> 05:45.900]  So, you know, they formed, you know, the London School of Economics.
[05:45.900 --> 05:52.300]  And out of that school, you know, they put in place various key legislators in government
[05:52.300 --> 05:56.900]  and even in institutions around the UK.
[05:56.900 --> 06:02.900]  And they knew that by influencing public policy, it didn't make any difference who was the
[06:02.900 --> 06:06.200]  elected official because they were setting the policy.
[06:06.200 --> 06:08.800]  And they do that today, as a matter of fact.
[06:08.800 --> 06:13.800]  And so George Bernard Shaw was, he was also very large on eugenics.
[06:13.800 --> 06:17.600]  Matter of fact, I don't have that video clip, but if you could listen to the audio clip,
[06:17.600 --> 06:22.800]  he talks about once every five years, this is this one, we'd have to stand in front of this board
[06:22.800 --> 06:26.600]  to determine if we should be worthy of staying alive or not.
[06:26.600 --> 06:29.400]  He actually said that, you know.
[06:29.400 --> 06:30.700]  So he's going to go, imagine that.
[06:30.700 --> 06:35.400]  Just destroyed my appreciation of my fair lady, right?
[06:35.400 --> 06:36.800]  Can you imagine?
[06:36.800 --> 06:41.200]  You can listen to it now, don't believe me, you can look them up, you can listen to the video, audio clip.
[06:41.200 --> 06:42.000]  It's amazing.
[06:42.000 --> 06:51.200]  And, you know, and so every prime minister, every Labour Party member of the UK is part of, is a Fabian.
[06:51.200 --> 06:57.200]  And so the Fabian's goal is, is always has been, as we call it, socialism.
[06:57.200 --> 06:59.300]  It's a slow walk to Marxism.
[06:59.300 --> 07:04.900]  And what they want to do is govern every aspect of your life and force globalism.
[07:04.900 --> 07:10.900]  So as you see now today with Keir Starmer, who, by the way, is a Fabian, as well as the mayor of London,
[07:10.900 --> 07:14.800]  you're watching it happen, the country being destroyed.
[07:14.800 --> 07:22.100]  And I have podcasts with folks in London and I tell them this is all to Q.
[07:22.100 --> 07:29.900]  This is exactly what the plan is to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring in usher in world government.
[07:29.900 --> 07:38.300]  Now, when you say, when you say they're Fabians, is there still an organization that they belong as an active member,
[07:38.300 --> 07:40.800]  like somebody would belong to the John Birch Society?
[07:40.800 --> 07:43.800]  So they actually have the Fabian Society there?
[07:43.800 --> 07:44.200]  Yes.
[07:44.200 --> 07:44.400]  Yeah.
[07:44.400 --> 07:52.900]  Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians, you know, he's very active with it, by the way, you know, with the World Economic Forum.
[07:52.900 --> 07:53.500]  Interesting.
[07:53.500 --> 07:56.300]  But if you go online, you can look up the Fabian Society.
[07:56.300 --> 07:57.900]  They have organization in Australia.
[07:57.900 --> 08:01.100]  They're young Fabians, you know, but they exist.
[08:01.100 --> 08:02.500]  I mean, they exist today.
[08:02.500 --> 08:08.500]  And when I speak to the British, very few really understand the Fabians.
[08:08.500 --> 08:11.400]  Liz Truss, I met Liz Truss, the past prime minister.
[08:11.400 --> 08:17.000]  I was at a CEO conference and I gave her my card and I said, I'll send you a copy of the Fabian freeway.
[08:17.000 --> 08:24.200]  Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomenon because they said you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz.
[08:24.200 --> 08:26.700]  But, you know, I think she knew exactly what they were.
[08:26.700 --> 08:36.200]  But the whole thing was, David, back in Woodrow Wilson's days when he actually worked with Colonel
[08:36.200 --> 08:40.500]  Mandel House, another globalist, they formed this thing called the Inquiry.
[08:40.500 --> 08:44.300]  And the Inquiry was a group of men, we're British and U.S.
[08:44.300 --> 08:53.800]  and they disguise how are we going to work together and kind of really conquer the world as far as a political agenda and then eventually total.
[08:53.800 --> 08:58.400]  And so that was a genesis of the Council on Foreign Relations.
[08:58.400 --> 09:01.800]  So the Council on Foreign Relations, which is housed in New York City,
[09:01.800 --> 09:09.400]  they and the Fabians work together as we speak today and setting governance and policy.
[09:09.400 --> 09:12.500]  And they do that regardless what the elections look like.
[09:12.500 --> 09:15.600]  They're behind the scenes doing foreign policy.
[09:15.600 --> 09:17.700]  And that's why we always look at each other.
[09:17.700 --> 09:19.700]  Why doesn't everything change?
[09:19.700 --> 09:25.100]  Well, that's because behind the scenes, the same folks have been working the agenda.
[09:25.100 --> 09:26.100]  That's what's going on.
[09:26.100 --> 09:31.900]  And we have to bring the light to the UK people as well as the United States that this group,
[09:31.900 --> 09:37.300]  these groups are hard at work directing our foreign policy, but our future.
[09:37.300 --> 09:38.600]  It is for world government.
[09:38.600 --> 09:40.600]  It's nothing to do with freedom.
[09:40.600 --> 09:46.500]  And our job at the Bird Society is through education to make people aware of who they are.
[09:46.500 --> 09:47.500]  So we know what to do.
[09:47.600 --> 09:48.600]  It's not mystical.
[09:48.600 --> 09:49.900]  It's not magical.
[09:49.900 --> 09:52.600]  It's not a beauty contest when you elect somebody.
[09:52.600 --> 09:56.100]  But we have to know the threats are real and we see it today.
[09:56.100 --> 09:57.300]  Yes.
[09:57.300 --> 10:03.200]  It sounds very much like Antonio Gramsci, the father of the Italian Communist Party's strategy
[10:03.200 --> 10:05.500]  where he wanted to march through the institutions.
[10:05.500 --> 10:08.600]  How is it different than Gramsci's communism?
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[10:20.700 --> 10:23.600]  That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsci.
[10:23.600 --> 10:28.800]  And he had him go to Harvard where he studied under.
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[11:28.900 --> 11:38.600]  Sokvan Berkovich, who was also very much a fan of Italian communism, he changed his name to honor Soko and Vanzetti.
[11:38.600 --> 11:46.100]  And so, you know, that I've learned something about Antonio Gramsci because of booty gay,
[11:46.100 --> 11:49.600]  but I also called him booty marks because that's really where they're trying to take us.
[11:49.600 --> 11:53.600]  But again, it is a slow march through the institutions.
[11:53.600 --> 11:55.200]  And so what is the difference?
[11:55.200 --> 12:00.900]  Is it that one of them was Italian and the other one was predominantly English and American kind of Anglo?
[12:00.900 --> 12:04.500]  Yeah, well, Gramsci was involved as an Italian.
[12:04.500 --> 12:08.700]  He's from Sardinia and he was grew up in that area of farm.
[12:08.700 --> 12:13.300]  He watched the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers.
[12:13.300 --> 12:18.500]  He actually has a book called David called the Gramsci papers, prison papers.
[12:18.500 --> 12:21.500]  And that's about this thing I have behind me in my library.
[12:21.500 --> 12:24.100]  And it was written on toilet paper, by the way.
[12:24.100 --> 12:31.800]  And he passed it to his sister and it became the Gramsci pay the prison papers.
[12:31.800 --> 12:37.200]  And Gramsci was, you know, a threat to, you know, the Nazis in Germany.
[12:37.200 --> 12:39.300]  And that's why it was called the Frankfurt School.
[12:39.300 --> 12:41.500]  And Hitler tossed them out of the United States.
[12:41.500 --> 12:43.800]  They end up in club university.
[12:43.800 --> 12:53.400]  And and so the goal then was then to indoctrinate and reduce the morality of young college students
[12:53.400 --> 12:55.900]  and shove down their throat socialism communism.
[12:56.000 --> 13:04.200]  So now we have the professors from various institutions in the country about the 60s,
[13:04.200 --> 13:05.200]  about the hippie movement.
[13:05.200 --> 13:09.500]  All that was all coming from the Frankfurt School through Columbia University destroyed.
[13:09.500 --> 13:11.700]  They knew they have this what Gramsci said.
[13:11.700 --> 13:16.800]  David, I can't we can't destroy the United States or Western societies.
[13:16.800 --> 13:19.600]  We talked to it economically.
[13:19.600 --> 13:20.400]  That's hard.
[13:20.400 --> 13:25.400]  Yeah, we have to change them morally because if we could do that, we could destroy the
[13:25.400 --> 13:28.100]  morality because that's the glue that holds them together.
[13:28.100 --> 13:30.000]  Then we can destroy them.
[13:30.000 --> 13:34.400]  And that's what that's the whole story with the Frankfurt School, which ended up at Columbia
[13:34.400 --> 13:34.900]  University.
[13:34.900 --> 13:39.600]  If you think about it where we are back in the 40s to where today you can see the morality
[13:39.600 --> 13:41.400]  of United States going the other direction.
[13:41.400 --> 13:43.700]  And that's all according to plan.
[13:43.700 --> 13:46.800]  And that's why they got so heavily involved in Hollywood and the entertainment business
[13:46.800 --> 13:47.200]  as well.
[13:47.200 --> 13:48.400]  Absolutely correct.
[13:48.400 --> 13:49.700]  And that's what happened.
[13:49.700 --> 13:55.800]  So they knew that's exactly one of the key points that makes the United States and Western
[13:55.800 --> 13:59.900]  civilization so strong is our moral behavior and our beliefs.
[13:59.900 --> 14:01.600]  So that's what we see today.
[14:01.600 --> 14:03.400]  But that's the difference between the two.
[14:03.400 --> 14:07.200]  And so they're Marxist, but they use that social element.
[14:07.200 --> 14:09.100]  They said Karl Marx wasn't right.
[14:09.100 --> 14:11.300]  He thought economics was the only way.
[14:11.300 --> 14:13.300]  No, we're going to have to do the moral end of it.
[14:13.300 --> 14:15.600]  So that's they morphed it into another strategy.
[14:15.600 --> 14:16.500]  But it's all the same.
[14:16.500 --> 14:18.200]  Angola stole slavery.
[14:18.200 --> 14:24.600]  And you can see that very much in what sock van Berkovich focused on there at Harvard.
[14:24.600 --> 14:29.700]  Everything for him was a product of puritanism.
[14:29.700 --> 14:32.900]  And so we've got to overthrow this whole the puritan roots of America.
[14:32.900 --> 14:35.600]  And we've got to attack it at its foundation.
[14:35.600 --> 14:41.000]  But he was really what he was trying to do was to attack the moral foundation of the country.
[14:41.000 --> 14:42.800]  That's why he focused on that so much.
[14:42.800 --> 14:47.700]  But everything he talked about was in terms of that, you know, well, this is because of
[14:48.600 --> 14:51.700]  the Mayflower and we've got to get rid of that.
[14:51.700 --> 14:53.800]  But it is kind of interesting.
[14:53.800 --> 14:56.100]  And of course, we see other approaches as well.
[14:56.100 --> 15:05.000]  You had people like Bill Ayers, OK, they decided that they would they said,
[15:05.000 --> 15:10.300]  well, we've had class struggles over, you know, for Marxism in Europe.
[15:10.300 --> 15:11.200]  That's not going to work here.
[15:11.200 --> 15:12.600]  It's not working here that well.
[15:12.600 --> 15:14.100]  So let's go to a race struggle.
[15:14.100 --> 15:18.100]  So there's yet another approach that the communists have taken.
[15:18.100 --> 15:21.600]  They've got so many different prongs to get all of them.
[15:21.600 --> 15:24.800]  Take us to the same hell, don't they?
[15:24.800 --> 15:28.500]  Well, you know, we do the dirty work for them.
[15:28.500 --> 15:32.500]  We have, you know, class struggles, men against women.
[15:32.500 --> 15:34.300]  That's another big one right now.
[15:34.300 --> 15:38.200]  Children against their parents, black versus white or tan.
[15:38.200 --> 15:41.200]  It's all about it's all about conflict and war.
[15:41.200 --> 15:46.100]  That's the that's the that's our goal because they need that to enforce
[15:46.100 --> 15:49.300]  more rules and regulations in the government and less freedom.
[15:49.300 --> 15:50.900]  You guys can't play nice.
[15:50.900 --> 15:52.900]  OK, well, we're going to incite that.
[15:52.900 --> 15:56.800]  And, you know, the Marxists knew that's one of the goals.
[15:56.800 --> 16:00.800]  And it's well written over a period of time, lots of documentation
[16:00.800 --> 16:03.200]  on how that works, but that's the goal.
[16:03.200 --> 16:08.500]  So they're playing to our frailties of humans, you know,
[16:08.600 --> 16:14.600]  rich versus poor, black versus white, tan versus white, Chinese, whatever.
[16:14.600 --> 16:18.700]  Doesn't make a difference because their end game is world government.
[16:18.700 --> 16:20.700]  And they know that they can't have a lot of us.
[16:20.700 --> 16:23.000]  So we have to we have to exterminate some.
[16:23.000 --> 16:26.100]  So let those guys exterminate themselves.
[16:26.100 --> 16:29.700]  And that's what we see, you know, and we're seeing that now in the UK
[16:29.700 --> 16:32.700]  as we start our conversation about the Fabians.
[16:32.700 --> 16:36.500]  As I talk to the folks in the UK, we're watching their country.
[16:36.600 --> 16:39.800]  And I used to live there, work there in Oxfordshire.
[16:39.800 --> 16:41.400]  So I know the country rather well.
[16:41.400 --> 16:47.900]  And I'm watching those folks being destroyed by the invaders on purpose.
[16:47.900 --> 16:51.500]  But they're doing the dirty work, destroying all their history
[16:51.500 --> 16:57.700]  and inflict terror and terror into those folks in Ireland as well as the UK.
[16:57.700 --> 16:59.700]  And they're concerned.
[16:59.700 --> 17:04.100]  But I'm seeing a resurgence of the British citizen rising up.
[17:04.100 --> 17:05.300]  It was about a month ago.
[17:05.300 --> 17:12.100]  You recall in in London, they had people marching with the British flag.
[17:12.100 --> 17:14.300]  It wasn't 200,000, David.
[17:14.300 --> 17:18.600]  We had people that were there and they said it was more like three million people were there.
[17:18.600 --> 17:23.200]  You'll see farmer trucks now marching into London with their tractors.
[17:23.200 --> 17:25.000]  They don't want to be slaves.
[17:25.000 --> 17:27.300]  And I've talked to enough Europeans.
[17:27.300 --> 17:30.300]  They don't want to be part of the European EC any longer.
[17:30.300 --> 17:32.000]  They're losing their sovereignty.
[17:32.000 --> 17:35.200]  They love their history, David, and they really respect it.
[17:35.200 --> 17:40.700]  And when I travel throughout Europe, when I live there, they really love their history
[17:40.700 --> 17:44.400]  and they love their heritage is being destroyed systematically.
[17:44.400 --> 17:46.400]  And it does not work.
[17:46.400 --> 17:49.100]  One one thing I wanted to tell you, which is interesting,
[17:49.100 --> 17:53.800]  I found out talking to several of the folks within, you know, past legislators,
[17:53.800 --> 17:59.100]  they tell me they get their news about the United States in two ways.
[17:59.200 --> 18:03.300]  CNN and the New York Times.
[18:03.300 --> 18:06.300]  What does that tell you, David?
[18:06.300 --> 18:10.100]  If you go travel in Europe, you're going to see CNN.
[18:10.100 --> 18:12.100]  I go, what does that do?
[18:12.100 --> 18:15.000]  I'm in Hungary or I'm in Italy.
[18:15.000 --> 18:17.400]  I'm watching CNN.
[18:17.400 --> 18:19.400]  But that's how they look at the United States.
[18:19.400 --> 18:22.400]  I said, well, that's totally upside down.
[18:22.400 --> 18:27.300]  Well, I had a friend who worked in the Pentagon about 20, 30 years ago.
[18:27.300 --> 18:32.000]  And when I talked to him, he said, yeah, CNN is playing on the screen all over the Pentagon,
[18:32.000 --> 18:33.500]  all the different rooms and everything.
[18:33.500 --> 18:35.500]  Oh, yeah.
[18:35.500 --> 18:36.500]  The Times News Network.
[18:36.500 --> 18:38.500]  That's right.
[18:38.500 --> 18:41.300]  It's very important that who you listen to, you know,
[18:41.300 --> 18:45.300]  and I've always tried to listen to various sources.
[18:45.300 --> 18:51.900]  And I would go to the I always preferred people who would tell me what they think
[18:51.900 --> 18:55.800]  and why they think it rather than the people who try to be this mushy middle,
[18:55.800 --> 18:57.700]  like Time and Newsweek, you know.
[18:57.700 --> 19:02.100]  So I was always looking at The Nation or National Review or something like that.
[19:02.100 --> 19:07.200]  Even though I don't support their views, I'd like to see that conflict that was there
[19:07.200 --> 19:11.400]  because a lot of times that would help me to understand where I stood on the issue.
[19:11.400 --> 19:14.000]  So I try to get these people that are opposed to each other.
[19:14.000 --> 19:17.800]  But most people just go for something like Time or Newsweek or CNN.
[19:17.800 --> 19:23.800]  And it's kind of the mushy middle that's put out there by the mockingbird programs
[19:23.800 --> 19:25.200]  that are out there for people.
[19:25.200 --> 19:28.300]  But that's why it's very important for people to educate themselves.
[19:28.300 --> 19:31.200]  And that's a very important thing that you do at the John Birch Society.
[19:31.200 --> 19:35.400]  Tell us a little bit about the John Birch Society and how it's organized at local level.
[19:35.400 --> 19:36.100]  Yes, thank you.
[19:36.100 --> 19:39.600]  We started in 1958 and our goal is education.
[19:39.600 --> 19:44.300]  You know, education is really critical for us, educating people about American values.
[19:44.300 --> 19:46.600]  Our job is limited government.
[19:46.600 --> 19:48.100]  You know, so people call us far right.
[19:48.100 --> 19:49.300]  That's not true.
[19:49.300 --> 19:51.000]  We're actually constitutional moderates.
[19:51.000 --> 19:53.500]  Some form of government, but not total.
[19:53.600 --> 19:55.200]  All the left is all the isms.
[19:55.200 --> 19:56.700]  Clean fascism, right?
[19:56.700 --> 19:59.000]  And our job is to teach American Americanism.
[19:59.000 --> 20:00.200]  It's not taught anymore.
[20:00.200 --> 20:06.000]  So we have free courses online, the JBS.org, about teaching about the Constitution.
[20:06.000 --> 20:11.200]  And we said, how do you elect constitutional minor representative state, local or federal?
[20:11.200 --> 20:13.000]  If you don't know the playbook.
[20:13.000 --> 20:14.900]  So how do you hold them accountable?
[20:14.900 --> 20:17.000]  And it's not taught on purpose.
[20:17.000 --> 20:19.200]  So now it becomes a personality contest.
[20:19.200 --> 20:20.000]  We don't want that.
[20:20.000 --> 20:23.200]  So we teach people Americanism and we give them the history.
[20:23.200 --> 20:24.700]  And we show them who's behind the curtain.
[20:24.700 --> 20:29.200]  Like we mentioned, the Fabians and the CFR and who's forming foreign policy.
[20:29.200 --> 20:31.800]  And once people know what goes on, that's important.
[20:31.800 --> 20:33.100]  We call it a conspiracy.
[20:33.100 --> 20:34.800]  It's not theory any longer.
[20:34.800 --> 20:36.300]  But the conspiracy says this.
[20:36.300 --> 20:39.200]  The first goal is to deny its existence.
[20:39.200 --> 20:40.400]  Of course.
[20:40.400 --> 20:42.000]  So we said, look, let's expose them.
[20:42.000 --> 20:42.600]  It's not us.
[20:42.600 --> 20:46.100]  That's why I have a thousand books behind me is that over the course of time,
[20:46.100 --> 20:52.000]  it proves that they does exist and they actually come out and talk about it.
[20:52.000 --> 20:57.300]  It's interesting as we look through time and look through history.
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[21:58.100 --> 22:03.100]  I always go back to my UK experience where Audis Huxley was a Fabian.
[22:03.100 --> 22:05.900]  I'll go back to that for a second to answer your question.
[22:05.900 --> 22:08.900]  And what happened is he was writing, this guy was a young author,
[22:08.900 --> 22:11.400]  writing all the information about what he heard.
[22:11.400 --> 22:16.000]  He was so excited about it that he decided to write a book.
[22:16.000 --> 22:18.100]  And he said, I can't use my pen name.
[22:18.100 --> 22:19.200]  My name is Eric Blair.
[22:19.200 --> 22:20.500]  I can't use that.
[22:20.500 --> 22:21.700]  I have to use a pen name.
[22:21.700 --> 22:23.200]  So I think my name is George.
[22:23.200 --> 22:27.600]  And George Orwell is really the Eric Blair.
[22:27.600 --> 22:30.200]  And he wrote 1984 about the Fabians.
[22:30.200 --> 22:33.100]  And the question becomes, why is it 1984?
[22:33.100 --> 22:38.000]  Well, January 4th of 1884 is the foundation of the Fabians.
[22:38.000 --> 22:40.900]  And they said, within 100 years, we have world government.
[22:40.900 --> 22:43.300]  That's why that book's titled 1984.
[22:43.300 --> 22:44.300]  Oh, interesting.
[22:45.300 --> 22:48.600]  I'd heard people say it's because he wrote it in 1948.
[22:48.600 --> 22:51.500]  But yeah, it's the 100th anniversary.
[22:51.500 --> 22:52.300]  Yeah.
[22:52.300 --> 22:55.800]  I don't believe it because he was indoctrinated by H.G. Wells
[22:55.800 --> 22:59.000]  and Audis Huxley about when he writes about Big Brother and New
[22:59.000 --> 23:01.700]  Speak, that's all about the Fabians.
[23:01.700 --> 23:06.000]  And now that's in vogue, I'm saying, hey, look, that wasn't done
[23:06.000 --> 23:07.500]  as a science fiction.
[23:07.500 --> 23:09.800]  That was really his telling you.
[23:09.800 --> 23:12.100]  And he couldn't hold himself.
[23:12.100 --> 23:14.600]  He said, I have to really talk about this.
[23:14.600 --> 23:17.100]  That's why it's in, I believe, I personally believe that's why
[23:17.100 --> 23:18.000]  it's 1984.
[23:18.000 --> 23:19.500]  It's 100 years of existence.
[23:19.500 --> 23:22.400]  And of course, I mentioned the Council on Foreign Relations is
[23:22.400 --> 23:24.800]  a child of the Fabians.
[23:24.800 --> 23:27.700]  And now we have an American version and we have, you know,
[23:27.700 --> 23:29.400]  the European version working in unison.
[23:29.400 --> 23:33.600]  So our job at the Birch Society is educate people what's going
[23:33.600 --> 23:37.200]  on to be personally responsible to elect constitutional
[23:37.200 --> 23:40.800]  moderates and constitutional minded representatives, state,
[23:40.800 --> 23:44.800]  local and federal, so we can we can monitor not only our
[23:44.800 --> 23:49.800]  behavior, but go back to constitutional based law and not
[23:49.800 --> 23:51.300]  ruled by elitists.
[23:51.300 --> 23:53.600]  And that's what we see today.
[23:53.600 --> 23:54.000]  Yeah.
[23:54.000 --> 23:56.600]  And so, you know, and it's important for people to understand
[23:56.600 --> 24:01.100]  how many different ways they come at us in order to set up a
[24:01.100 --> 24:02.400]  totalitarian government.
[24:02.400 --> 24:05.500]  They have so many different tactics and strategies.
[24:05.500 --> 24:07.700]  And of course, one of those, I think that you're talking about
[24:07.800 --> 24:09.900]  Aldous Huxley and others like that.
[24:09.900 --> 24:13.400]  H.G. Wells and Huxley, the technocracy that was there.
[24:13.400 --> 24:15.500]  I mean, talk a little bit about technocracy as well.
[24:15.500 --> 24:16.900]  That's really kind of coming to us.
[24:16.900 --> 24:19.300]  People don't really know where to fit that, you know,
[24:19.300 --> 24:22.900]  because it doesn't really fit into the left right paradigm.
[24:22.900 --> 24:25.300]  And yet that seems to be on the ascendancy as well.
[24:25.300 --> 24:27.000]  Talk a little bit about that.
[24:27.000 --> 24:29.900]  Well, you know, the story about technology, you know,
[24:29.900 --> 24:32.500]  but next to have a fellow used to be a member of the Birch
[24:32.500 --> 24:34.000]  Society was a CIA.
[24:34.000 --> 24:36.600]  He said smile a lot because your picture gets taken about
[24:36.600 --> 24:37.700]  300 times a day.
[24:38.700 --> 24:39.700]  That's right.
[24:39.700 --> 24:41.400]  More than that now, I guess.
[24:41.400 --> 24:44.900]  Yeah, you go bang grocery store going to get gas joy, but
[24:44.900 --> 24:50.800]  technocracy is a tool for for monitoring and governance.
[24:50.800 --> 24:53.900]  And they that's why you see I AI data data centers and know
[24:53.900 --> 24:57.200]  every little thing that you've done and they they're openly
[24:57.200 --> 24:59.200]  said this in the Bank of International Settlements.
[24:59.200 --> 25:02.000]  They want to have this digital currency where they can monitor
[25:02.100 --> 25:07.600]  every any of your expenditures from $100 on up so they could
[25:07.600 --> 25:09.000]  determine by checking China.
[25:09.000 --> 25:11.500]  If you have a bad social score, then you're not going to buy
[25:11.500 --> 25:12.400]  anything.
[25:12.400 --> 25:15.700]  So if you think about technology is going to be their weapon
[25:15.700 --> 25:19.100]  or tool to keep you in line, that's where I see it happening
[25:19.100 --> 25:21.600]  and they're doing it through a lot of different angles.
[25:21.600 --> 25:24.600]  It looks kind of cool, but that's really the goal.
[25:24.600 --> 25:27.000]  One of the things I began the program with today was talking
[25:27.000 --> 25:29.900]  about the fact that, you know, I mentioned all the time about
[25:29.900 --> 25:34.500]  how artificial intelligence is really going to be a superpower
[25:34.500 --> 25:38.500]  for any kind of government tyranny to be able to monitor
[25:38.500 --> 25:40.600]  you and everything you're doing is you're just talking about
[25:40.600 --> 25:43.800]  but also to manipulate opinion as well.
[25:43.800 --> 25:47.000]  And that's why very is very concerning to me to see that
[25:47.000 --> 25:50.700]  that this this latest executive order from Trump that
[25:50.700 --> 25:56.400]  essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would curb
[25:56.400 --> 25:58.700]  things that are happening with AI companies because I think
[25:58.700 --> 26:02.100]  what where that would really happen would be with the data
[26:02.100 --> 26:02.500]  centers.
[26:02.500 --> 26:06.200]  I think it's where the big conflict is going to come and
[26:06.200 --> 26:08.900]  you know, that is the bottleneck for them and that would be
[26:08.900 --> 26:11.200]  one of the ways that you could limit them to buy a little bit
[26:11.200 --> 26:14.200]  of time to try to get some control of the situation or
[26:14.200 --> 26:19.800]  structure to keep some of these things at bay but again to
[26:19.800 --> 26:24.100]  prohibit that at the federal level and that is in direct
[26:24.100 --> 26:27.000]  conflict with the 10th Amendment and of course the Democrats
[26:27.100 --> 26:29.800]  will tell you that now because they're not in Bauer but as soon
[26:29.800 --> 26:31.900]  as they get in Bauer, they don't care about the 10th Amendment
[26:31.900 --> 26:37.900]  either but it is really a real concern about this concentration
[26:37.900 --> 26:42.500]  of power and the you know, the destruction of the 10th
[26:42.500 --> 26:45.200]  Amendment and of course the enforcement mechanism that is
[26:45.200 --> 26:49.300]  going to run through is going to be to use financial carrots
[26:49.300 --> 26:52.400]  and sticks for people coming out of the federal government.
[26:52.400 --> 26:54.100]  That's the way they always get around the 10th Amendment,
[26:54.100 --> 26:54.500]  isn't it?
[26:55.500 --> 26:56.300]  Absolutely correct.
[26:56.300 --> 26:57.700]  Yes, the technocracy.
[26:58.000 --> 27:00.100]  That's exactly what we call technocracy.
[27:00.300 --> 27:01.800]  Yes, the techno bureaucrats.
[27:01.800 --> 27:05.500]  That's where they use that technology as I call it digital
[27:05.500 --> 27:06.100]  prison.
[27:06.200 --> 27:07.700]  That's basically where you're looking at.
[27:07.800 --> 27:10.000]  Yeah, that's kind of where we're at and that's what they're
[27:10.000 --> 27:11.300]  setting up digital prison.
[27:11.300 --> 27:14.900]  So you can't go anywhere to do anything within your 15-minute
[27:14.900 --> 27:17.800]  city, whatever you want to be to monitor where you are.
[27:18.400 --> 27:19.800]  So lose all your freedoms.
[27:19.800 --> 27:22.300]  They're constantly coming up with different justifications to
[27:22.300 --> 27:25.900]  take us to the same kind of Orwellian hell that they want
[27:25.900 --> 27:28.500]  to set up and that's why, you know, when you look at the
[27:28.500 --> 27:30.900]  Chinese communists, many times I'd look at them and say,
[27:30.900 --> 27:33.800]  okay, so are they really communist anymore or are they
[27:33.800 --> 27:37.100]  fascist because they've kind of merged economics and politics
[27:37.400 --> 27:40.000]  to a great extent there and it's highly nationalistic and
[27:40.000 --> 27:40.800]  all the rest of these other things.
[27:40.800 --> 27:43.700]  So it's important to understand all these different strains,
[27:44.000 --> 27:46.500]  but then to not get boxed in by any of them.
[27:46.500 --> 27:48.400]  To understand these people mix and match.
[27:48.600 --> 27:51.100]  They'll take whatever they can use, make these different
[27:51.100 --> 27:54.100]  strategies and, you know, when you look at them, if you were
[27:54.100 --> 27:56.900]  to construct a Venn diagram, it seems like they're all starting
[27:56.900 --> 28:00.100]  to reach convergence instead of one little point of overlap,
[28:00.100 --> 28:00.600]  doesn't it?
[28:01.300 --> 28:02.000]  Yeah, exactly.
[28:02.000 --> 28:04.000]  Well, you know, communism is just a tool.
[28:04.000 --> 28:06.800]  It's a tool for global governance.
[28:07.300 --> 28:10.600]  It's not the be all end all, just like any other religious
[28:10.800 --> 28:13.100]  things that we see, it's got nothing to do with it at all.
[28:13.300 --> 28:16.100]  Matter of fact, the men who are globalists are not communists.
[28:16.100 --> 28:17.200]  They're not, that's a tool.
[28:17.500 --> 28:20.100]  They're not fascists, but they use that mentality, but it's
[28:20.100 --> 28:22.200]  all the tool for world government.
[28:22.200 --> 28:24.500]  It's all going to come through the United Nations and you see
[28:24.500 --> 28:28.200]  the UN, that's the center point of it all.
[28:28.200 --> 28:32.800]  And we have a magazine called The New American and matter of
[28:32.800 --> 28:36.100]  fact, we're actually launching it in there called The New European
[28:36.700 --> 28:37.800]  and I can show you this.
[28:38.100 --> 28:38.600]  Oh, good.
[28:38.600 --> 28:38.900]  Yeah.
[28:39.200 --> 28:42.600]  Matt here, David, these little bubble diagrams.
[28:42.600 --> 28:43.600]  I've, you can see this all.
[28:43.900 --> 28:46.300]  These are all the UN offices in the world.
[28:47.000 --> 28:49.700]  They're not just one location in, you know, these river in
[28:49.700 --> 28:52.900]  Brussels, but what are these people doing all these locations?
[28:52.900 --> 28:53.800]  Well, you're on the menu.
[28:53.800 --> 28:54.700]  That's what's going on.
[28:56.100 --> 28:59.500]  So you can imagine all those, you know, it's all over the United States.
[28:59.500 --> 29:02.300]  So I'd be happy to send this to you in a New America magazine.
[29:02.300 --> 29:05.300]  We have this one called the global power grab.
[29:05.700 --> 29:10.300]  We did this one and it talks and I show this around the Australians
[29:10.300 --> 29:13.900]  and the New Zealand's and UK folks and the lady in France.
[29:14.200 --> 29:18.000]  They were totally amazed the depth of the United Nation, all these
[29:18.100 --> 29:20.000]  offices all over the world.
[29:20.200 --> 29:20.600]  Yes.
[29:20.600 --> 29:24.500]  And they're busy carving up the world for global governance.
[29:24.500 --> 29:28.600]  So that's, that's where our part of our job at the Birch site expose
[29:28.600 --> 29:32.700]  what's happening through education and making the way it's not too late
[29:33.000 --> 29:34.700]  because it's more of us than them.
[29:34.700 --> 29:38.000]  And they know that our job, their job is to keep us off message
[29:38.400 --> 29:43.000]  and looking at sports figures or Hollywood or this or that the same
[29:43.000 --> 29:46.900]  time they're destroying our, our foundational principles of freedom.
[29:47.000 --> 29:47.700]  Oh, absolutely.
[29:47.700 --> 29:49.600]  I've had Alex Newman on many times.
[29:49.600 --> 29:53.700]  I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at the new American
[29:53.700 --> 29:57.000]  and I've had other people as well from the new American.
[29:57.100 --> 29:58.100]  It's great publication.
[29:58.400 --> 30:00.800]  And as you point out with that map and you see all the different
[30:00.800 --> 30:05.200]  areas where they have areas of responsibility and actual physical
[30:05.200 --> 30:07.400]  locations or anything, I think that's a key thing for people to
[30:07.400 --> 30:10.900]  understand is that it's not necessarily going to be, as you point
[30:10.900 --> 30:13.600]  out in Brussels when you say, well, there's the seat of government
[30:13.600 --> 30:15.900]  or whatever, or the East River in New York.
[30:16.200 --> 30:18.800]  It really is not so much about that.
[30:18.800 --> 30:20.600]  It's about global governance.
[30:20.700 --> 30:24.600]  It's about this network of different organizations that are out there.
[30:24.600 --> 30:28.600]  And that's one of the things that I see about technocracy is really
[30:28.600 --> 30:32.300]  that not just, you know, the, the electronic network networking
[30:32.300 --> 30:34.800]  that's out there, but actually the political networking that is there
[30:35.300 --> 30:39.300]  and the interlocking of these different financial interests that
[30:39.300 --> 30:42.900]  are out there so they can all have their own goals and things, but
[30:43.000 --> 30:48.000]  it is all pushing us towards this global governance and and the
[30:48.000 --> 30:51.300]  technology is really giving them power that they've never had before.
[30:51.800 --> 30:52.800]  That's the key thing.
[30:53.200 --> 30:54.300]  That's really concerning me.
[30:54.300 --> 30:59.500]  So we saw that with COVID-19 was a good data set beta test for them.
[30:59.800 --> 31:01.300]  I had the whole world under control.
[31:01.300 --> 31:04.200]  I'm sure they were absolutely laughing and amazed how easy it
[31:04.200 --> 31:05.700]  was to make that happen.
[31:05.700 --> 31:06.100]  I know.
[31:06.100 --> 31:09.200]  I was absolutely astounded how easy it was for them as well.
[31:10.000 --> 31:12.700]  And again, I think, you know, you look at the stimulus checks and
[31:12.700 --> 31:16.500]  all the rest of this stuff that was training wheels for universal
[31:16.500 --> 31:20.500]  basic income, which was something that Elon Musk has always been
[31:20.800 --> 31:23.700]  focused on when you had Andrew Yang come out, said he was going
[31:23.700 --> 31:26.600]  to run for president and that was going to be his issue.
[31:26.600 --> 31:29.000]  The main issue he branched out and some other things later on.
[31:29.300 --> 31:31.700]  But as soon as he came out and said universal basic income,
[31:32.000 --> 31:34.000]  you know, I must candid him a million dollars, you know, he
[31:34.000 --> 31:35.400]  wanted him to push that idea.
[31:35.400 --> 31:38.000]  Well, it got pushed really big in 2020.
[31:38.000 --> 31:40.800]  That's all part of the that's all part of the program, the
[31:40.800 --> 31:42.200]  universal income to the UN.
[31:42.200 --> 31:43.300]  Yeah, of course it is.
[31:43.300 --> 31:44.300]  Yeah, the whole job.
[31:44.300 --> 31:46.100]  They they want you to be industrious.
[31:46.500 --> 31:49.000]  They want you to be collective, not individualists.
[31:49.200 --> 31:50.500]  And we fight collectivism.
[31:50.800 --> 31:53.200]  We believe in individualism, not collectivism.
[31:53.200 --> 31:56.500]  That's all part of the rule, you know, there's a call to herd
[31:56.500 --> 32:01.100]  mentality and that's exactly what they need to control us.
[32:01.200 --> 32:04.200]  It's all that's the end game is that world government and they
[32:04.200 --> 32:06.600]  will determine, as I mentioned, I'm early on in my career.
[32:07.000 --> 32:08.200]  As I mentioned, I'm early on.
[32:08.200 --> 32:11.900]  We started the show, George Bernard Shaw before the eugenics
[32:11.900 --> 32:13.800]  committee who lives and who dies.
[32:14.300 --> 32:15.800]  And you may not have that choice.
[32:16.300 --> 32:19.300]  If you're a strong crowd, Christian or belief, you may not
[32:19.300 --> 32:20.800]  fit into because they're amoral.
[32:20.800 --> 32:22.000]  They don't have any beliefs.
[32:22.100 --> 32:23.100]  The state is their belief.
[32:23.300 --> 32:25.000]  You may not fit into their program.
[32:25.000 --> 32:27.300]  If you can't be indoctrinated correctly, you may be
[32:27.300 --> 32:28.200]  exterminated.
[32:28.400 --> 32:28.700]  That's right.
[32:28.700 --> 32:30.100]  And that's written about that.
[32:30.100 --> 32:34.400]  So it's these guys wait for keeps and it's serious and our job
[32:34.400 --> 32:39.300]  has been to expose their plan since the late 50s and really
[32:39.300 --> 32:42.400]  what they want to do and they're very open about it now more
[32:42.400 --> 32:47.300]  so than ever because they feel like men, young adults have
[32:47.300 --> 32:49.800]  been so indoctrinated through the universities and school
[32:49.800 --> 32:51.000]  that socialism is good.
[32:51.000 --> 32:53.800]  Like we saw the last mayor race in New York City.
[32:53.900 --> 32:54.700]  Can you imagine?
[32:55.000 --> 32:58.500]  Yeah, yeah, it's nothing's free schools have indoctrinated
[32:58.500 --> 33:02.500]  that but then we also have the situation where the you know,
[33:02.500 --> 33:05.600]  the Gen Z people are finding it very kids are finding it very
[33:05.600 --> 33:07.900]  difficult to find a job even if they go to college.
[33:07.900 --> 33:11.000]  They're finding it difficult to find a job and that is something
[33:11.000 --> 33:15.100]  I think that really drives this because again, one of the things
[33:15.100 --> 33:17.000]  that socialism has always pushed out there.
[33:17.000 --> 33:20.400]  I think is envy, you know, they find these different at its
[33:20.400 --> 33:20.700]  core.
[33:20.700 --> 33:25.100]  I think like Sololinsky, you know, dedicated his book rules
[33:25.100 --> 33:28.100]  for radicals to Satan and I think at the core of it, there's
[33:28.100 --> 33:33.100]  all these different satanic appeals to the evil aspects of
[33:33.100 --> 33:35.900]  our nature, you know, whether it's about greed, whether it's
[33:35.900 --> 33:39.700]  about envy, whether it's about hatred, racism, tribalism, all
[33:39.700 --> 33:44.100]  these different things and they identify these things and seek
[33:44.100 --> 33:46.600]  to exploit them with these different approaches that they
[33:46.600 --> 33:50.900]  take, you know, and so that's what I think is you have to be
[33:50.900 --> 33:53.800]  aware of the tactics and the strategies that are there if
[33:53.800 --> 33:55.100]  we're ever going to be able to defeat them.
[33:55.100 --> 33:57.400]  Otherwise, we're just putting in their hands, aren't we?
[33:58.100 --> 34:00.100]  That's exactly and there's you're exactly correct.
[34:00.100 --> 34:01.100]  That's exactly what they do.
[34:01.100 --> 34:04.400]  They pit one group against another one philosophy because
[34:04.400 --> 34:05.700]  it's all about conflict.
[34:06.700 --> 34:08.000]  It's all about the conflict.
[34:08.000 --> 34:10.500]  That's critically important, but we have to identify what it
[34:10.500 --> 34:12.500]  is and expose what it is.
[34:12.500 --> 34:13.600]  That's really important.
[34:13.600 --> 34:14.800]  So we know the game.
[34:14.800 --> 34:15.600]  It's a charades.
[34:15.800 --> 34:20.200]  You remember they remember the the movie where we had with
[34:20.200 --> 34:23.200]  Julie Garland follow yellow Vic road, you know, and all of a
[34:23.200 --> 34:24.800]  sudden who's the man behind the curtain?
[34:24.800 --> 34:26.000]  Don't pay attention to him.
[34:26.300 --> 34:30.000]  We expose who's behind the curtain, you know, and that's
[34:30.000 --> 34:31.100]  really what it's all about.
[34:31.100 --> 34:32.200]  It's really a plan.
[34:32.200 --> 34:36.400]  It's not done by accident and we see a lot of kubuki theater.
[34:36.700 --> 34:40.600]  Yes, but the thing is is that we identify really what it is
[34:40.800 --> 34:44.500]  and to tell you what it's very difficult for people to believe
[34:44.500 --> 34:47.500]  it because some of their heroes of the past were not good
[34:47.500 --> 34:48.000]  people.
[34:48.000 --> 34:48.500]  That's right.
[34:48.500 --> 34:52.200]  I'm sorry folks or the heroes of the present or the president.
[34:52.200 --> 34:54.100]  Yeah, I mentioned about George Bernard Shaw.
[34:54.100 --> 34:56.100]  The guy was, you know, think about that one.
[34:56.200 --> 34:59.800]  I mean, I can go on but there's a lot of them and they were
[34:59.800 --> 35:01.000]  not who they thought they were.
[35:01.000 --> 35:04.100]  I mean, yeah, he wrote Pygmalion, which was then turned
[35:04.100 --> 35:06.400]  into My Fair Lady, you know, the musical in the play and
[35:07.600 --> 35:08.900]  enjoy the music with that.
[35:08.900 --> 35:12.400]  But yeah, the guy who was there and even when you look at all
[35:12.400 --> 35:15.300]  these different science fiction novels, they've basically
[35:15.300 --> 35:16.600]  become a blueprint for them.
[35:16.800 --> 35:19.200]  But we're talking about how they like to set up conflict
[35:19.200 --> 35:20.100]  between different groups.
[35:20.500 --> 35:24.100]  That's why I think we really need to have our guard up about
[35:24.100 --> 35:26.900]  partisan politics because that is another way they do it.
[35:26.900 --> 35:30.900]  They don't just do it by race or by sex or this or that.
[35:30.900 --> 35:34.900]  They do it also with political factions and, you know, when
[35:34.900 --> 35:38.500]  people buy into these things and start to excuse the actions
[35:38.500 --> 35:41.800]  of their leaders, what they really need to do is to look at
[35:41.800 --> 35:44.700]  the longer historical view and say where were the Fabian
[35:44.700 --> 35:45.700]  socialists trying to take us?
[35:45.700 --> 35:48.000]  You know, where were the Gramsci socialists trying to
[35:48.000 --> 35:50.100]  take us? Where were the Marxists trying to take us?
[35:50.700 --> 35:55.600]  And if the actions of the person that's the hero of your
[35:55.600 --> 36:00.500]  party is going to move us in the direction of these socialists
[36:00.600 --> 36:04.800]  and Marxists, they need to pull back and say we're not going
[36:04.800 --> 36:07.500]  to follow that even though that's part of our tribe here
[36:07.500 --> 36:08.100]  or whatever.
[36:08.300 --> 36:10.300]  I think that's a very important thing, you know.
[36:10.800 --> 36:14.400]  Elections change government, but institutions, you know,
[36:14.400 --> 36:15.500]  change nations.
[36:15.500 --> 36:16.300]  That's really important.
[36:16.300 --> 36:17.700]  They actually, Fabian has even said that.
[36:17.700 --> 36:21.200]  They also said power shifts from representation to management
[36:21.500 --> 36:22.700]  and that's where we are.
[36:23.000 --> 36:25.100]  No matter, you know, it's left or right, you know, in the
[36:25.100 --> 36:29.100]  politics scene, the policy being set forward doesn't make
[36:29.100 --> 36:31.300]  a difference who runs back and forth.
[36:31.300 --> 36:34.600]  It's all Kabuki theater for us because they're not setting
[36:34.600 --> 36:38.100]  the policy someone else is and we identify who they are.
[36:38.200 --> 36:40.000]  That's really critically important.
[36:40.200 --> 36:43.500]  So it's all a big game in front of us, but we have to identify
[36:43.500 --> 36:46.500]  really who they are what's happening and that's all part
[36:46.500 --> 36:48.800]  of what we do educate people and make them aware.
[36:48.800 --> 36:50.300]  There's more of us than them.
[36:51.200 --> 36:53.900]  But our job is to wake people up and sometimes they don't
[36:53.900 --> 36:55.200]  want to they want to hear about it.
[36:55.200 --> 36:57.900]  You know, our job is to wake people up and tell them really
[36:57.900 --> 37:01.000]  what's going on much like the story gave to the UK folks
[37:01.000 --> 37:02.100]  about the Fabians.
[37:02.600 --> 37:05.300]  I said, look, they're destroying your country on plan.
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[38:09.000 --> 38:11.000]  That's why you know, I question you.
[38:11.000 --> 38:13.800]  So do they still have a Fabian Society people belong to
[38:13.800 --> 38:17.000]  because typically these things are done in secret, you
[38:17.000 --> 38:19.800]  know, or quietly so you have secret societies, you know,
[38:19.800 --> 38:22.200]  things like the Masons or whatever, but you know people
[38:22.200 --> 38:25.000]  will be members of this but I don't think do we have a
[38:25.000 --> 38:27.600]  Fabian Society that you have politicians that are part of
[38:27.600 --> 38:30.900]  here in the US or is it mainly the CFR that you'll see?
[38:32.000 --> 38:33.100]  Mostly the CFR.
[38:33.100 --> 38:35.100]  Yeah, yeah, it's exactly what's it.
[38:35.100 --> 38:38.100]  You know, it's a it's a it's more what's a partner of
[38:38.100 --> 38:41.600]  with the Fabian so back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner
[38:41.600 --> 38:45.000]  and and you know, Woodrow Wilson took command of house.
[38:45.000 --> 38:47.700]  They had this thing called the inquiry back in the 1900s
[38:47.700 --> 38:49.900]  or so and they they formed this group and they want the
[38:49.900 --> 38:53.600]  United States and Council for Relations born in 1921 and
[38:53.600 --> 38:56.600]  they're going to set foreign policy up mark through to
[38:56.600 --> 38:59.400]  David Rockefeller and today you have members of the
[38:59.400 --> 39:02.000]  cabinet 40 50 percent of the people in presidential
[39:02.000 --> 39:06.300]  cabinets were part of the CFR had Clinton Eisenhower
[39:06.300 --> 39:08.300]  all those guys were all involved in the CFR.
[39:08.300 --> 39:09.900]  They knew exactly what's going on.
[39:09.900 --> 39:13.700]  So they were tearing the water for the CFR policy group
[39:13.800 --> 39:15.300]  and that's exactly what goes on.
[39:15.300 --> 39:20.100]  So was all it look good, you know, but reality is when
[39:20.100 --> 39:23.300]  the stories goes this way, you know, every every year
[39:23.300 --> 39:25.800]  every year of several years we have an election.
[39:26.000 --> 39:28.000]  It's like when you're in high school, you know, the
[39:28.000 --> 39:30.200]  rummage president of the Student Council remember those
[39:30.200 --> 39:33.300]  back in high school contest.
[39:33.300 --> 39:34.200]  Yeah, yeah.
[39:34.200 --> 39:36.500]  And by the way, I'm going to have longer lunch hour
[39:36.500 --> 39:37.900]  is we're going to have less homework.
[39:37.900 --> 39:38.400]  Right.
[39:38.900 --> 39:41.000]  And all of a sudden they get elected in the way who's
[39:41.000 --> 39:43.600]  running the show the superintendent of the principal
[39:43.600 --> 39:46.000]  high school and never happened and that's it.
[39:46.000 --> 39:46.900]  Sorry with the CFR.
[39:46.900 --> 39:49.600]  We have a beauty contest, which is a public, you know,
[39:49.600 --> 39:53.000]  either presidential election or congressional and then
[39:53.200 --> 39:54.600]  who's run a show behind the scenes.
[39:54.600 --> 39:58.100]  It's really it's really those groups those unelected
[39:58.100 --> 40:01.500]  bureaucratic officials are unelected divide and we
[40:01.500 --> 40:02.500]  expose what they are.
[40:02.500 --> 40:05.800]  We have that book called The Shadows of Power.
[40:06.000 --> 40:08.900]  Another book that we published years ago called The
[40:08.900 --> 40:13.400]  Shadows of Power exposes the Council on Formulations
[40:13.400 --> 40:18.600]  war one war two Korean Vietnam and how they all morphed
[40:18.600 --> 40:20.400]  into all part of the plan.
[40:20.600 --> 40:22.000]  That's called The Shadows of Power.
[40:22.000 --> 40:25.300]  So now we so the Fabians is freeways about the Fabians
[40:25.500 --> 40:29.100]  The Shadows of Power is about the Council on Formulations
[40:29.100 --> 40:32.100]  and once people look at history they get pretty angry
[40:32.100 --> 40:35.000]  because they know it's all been a theater for not for
[40:35.000 --> 40:36.400]  us, but for for them.
[40:36.400 --> 40:39.400]  Yeah, and they play the game to make it look like you're
[40:39.400 --> 40:42.200]  running the show, but you're not you're just a victim of
[40:42.200 --> 40:43.300]  the globalist plan.
[40:43.400 --> 40:43.900]  I agree.
[40:44.100 --> 40:46.600]  And I when I think of the John Birch Society, you guys
[40:46.600 --> 40:49.700]  have done a great job of educating people about the
[40:49.700 --> 40:53.100]  Council on Formulations CFR stuff and yet we still have
[40:53.800 --> 40:56.300]  these people run for office and I think you'll see them
[40:56.300 --> 41:00.700]  proudly list that as part of their CV, you know that
[41:00.700 --> 41:02.900]  yeah, a member of the Council on Formulations and
[41:03.900 --> 41:05.000]  it surprises me.
[41:05.900 --> 41:08.000]  It's like, you know, I'm part of this satanic group over
[41:08.000 --> 41:08.300]  here.
[41:10.700 --> 41:13.600]  They see it as a you know, because it really does have a
[41:13.600 --> 41:14.400]  lot of
[41:16.600 --> 41:19.300]  panache or whatever or clout in Washington to be a
[41:19.300 --> 41:22.200]  member of that club and they're proud of it.
[41:22.600 --> 41:24.500]  And we need to call them out on it.
[41:24.500 --> 41:26.500]  We need to understand the history of it.
[41:26.500 --> 41:30.100]  We need to understand really just how evil the actions
[41:30.100 --> 41:31.900]  have been and how that has really been there.
[41:31.900 --> 41:34.400]  So I guess in the UK, they still have people who are
[41:34.400 --> 41:37.900]  part of the Fabian Society, but here you'll see it in
[41:37.900 --> 41:40.400]  the CFR and they'll be doing the same type of thing.
[41:40.500 --> 41:42.600]  Yeah, Bill Clinton was a member of Madden Albright
[41:42.600 --> 41:45.000]  was a member of Robert Rubin was a member of Ben
[41:45.000 --> 41:48.500]  Cohen, Larry Summers, George W Bush was going on.
[41:48.500 --> 41:51.300]  Leah Rice, Colin Power, Robert Gates, Henry Paulson,
[41:51.300 --> 41:54.100]  Barack Obama was president, described a candidate to be
[41:54.100 --> 41:57.400]  Gaithered, Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton, Henry
[41:57.400 --> 42:01.000]  McMaster and Mike Pompeo, I dug Iowan, you see what's
[42:01.000 --> 42:01.800]  going on here.
[42:02.100 --> 42:05.600]  So they're there in strategic locations to to monitor
[42:05.600 --> 42:07.400]  and steer public policy.
[42:07.700 --> 42:09.500]  That's what it's going on.
[42:09.500 --> 42:12.600]  So when you see this, we hear the song, Garza was
[42:12.600 --> 42:15.500]  Democrat, Republican, you get to the same place all the
[42:15.500 --> 42:16.000]  time.
[42:16.800 --> 42:17.600]  That's the key.
[42:17.700 --> 42:19.700]  And I remember when Reagan got elected, people were
[42:19.700 --> 42:22.500]  excited. Oh, look, he's not CFR, you know, and I can't
[42:22.500 --> 42:24.700]  remember the last time we had a president that wasn't
[42:24.700 --> 42:28.000]  CFR and yet what he did was he put CFR people in all
[42:28.000 --> 42:30.700]  the different positions around him, you know, that's
[42:30.700 --> 42:33.000]  exactly what Trump is not a member of the CFR.
[42:33.000 --> 42:35.300]  I can tell you that so he's not a member, but he's got
[42:35.300 --> 42:37.000]  people around and make sure he doesn't get too far off
[42:37.000 --> 42:39.200]  the script.
[42:39.200 --> 42:40.100]  Although he does.
[42:40.100 --> 42:40.600]  That's right.
[42:40.600 --> 42:41.100]  That's right.
[42:41.100 --> 42:43.800]  Oh, it's yeah, I think what Trump is really as much as
[42:43.800 --> 42:44.100]  anything.
[42:44.100 --> 42:46.300]  It's the technocracy because these guys are writing the
[42:46.300 --> 42:47.500]  checks there.
[42:47.800 --> 42:50.700]  I'm very concerned that, you know, we all know now what
[42:50.700 --> 42:57.000]  the CBDC is and yet I think the same thing can be
[42:57.000 --> 43:00.200]  accomplished with a stable coin and they can make a lot
[43:00.200 --> 43:02.500]  of money putting the stable coin out there at the same
[43:02.500 --> 43:02.900]  time.
[43:03.400 --> 43:05.400]  So it's one way they can get rich.
[43:05.500 --> 43:07.700]  They can get rich off of that or they can't get rich off
[43:07.700 --> 43:10.600]  of the CBDC and since everybody's kind of wise to the
[43:10.600 --> 43:13.700]  game of the CBDC, they don't realize that stable coin is
[43:13.700 --> 43:16.300]  still going to have those capabilities to be able to
[43:16.300 --> 43:20.300]  turn off your ability to trade and do other things like
[43:20.300 --> 43:20.700]  that.
[43:21.000 --> 43:22.900]  Tell us a little bit about the John Burr Society.
[43:22.900 --> 43:25.600]  I mean, I know you guys have had a lot of fights and that
[43:25.600 --> 43:28.700]  have you been hit with any kind of debanking or stuff
[43:28.700 --> 43:29.000]  like that?
[43:29.000 --> 43:32.000]  Because I mean I have and I've been kicked off of PayPal
[43:32.000 --> 43:36.500]  and Venmo and other other formats like that because of
[43:36.500 --> 43:39.100]  things that I was saying in 2020 about the lockdown and
[43:39.100 --> 43:42.100]  the pandemic and the vaccine climate change and all the
[43:42.100 --> 43:42.800]  rest of stuff.
[43:43.500 --> 43:46.900]  Are you seeing that kind of debanking and deplatforming
[43:46.900 --> 43:47.800]  in various places?
[43:48.300 --> 43:48.600]  Yeah.
[43:48.600 --> 43:53.800]  Well, sometimes we say that we get too much of truth that
[43:53.800 --> 43:56.200]  YouTube will take us down for a while or something like that
[43:56.200 --> 43:57.800]  and then we'll come back on again.
[43:58.800 --> 44:01.500]  You know, we don't have that issue with banking per se,
[44:01.500 --> 44:04.700]  but they ignore us because they don't need attention.
[44:04.700 --> 44:06.700]  We get attacked, you know, we start to grow.
[44:07.000 --> 44:09.400]  So they try to pretend we don't exist any longer.
[44:09.600 --> 44:12.000]  Yeah, that's when I first learned of the John Burr Society
[44:12.000 --> 44:14.300]  was when William F. Buckley was on a tear.
[44:14.500 --> 44:15.200]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[44:15.200 --> 44:16.500]  I asked you to come after you guys.
[44:17.300 --> 44:19.400]  Well, I think I agree with these guys and I'm with Buckley.
[44:19.400 --> 44:21.900]  So he's a CFR member by the way.
[44:25.500 --> 44:26.800]  Probably CIA as well.
[44:26.800 --> 44:30.100]  So Sullenbones, you know from Yale, you know, I can go on.
[44:30.500 --> 44:31.300]  He was a good guy, right?
[44:31.300 --> 44:31.900]  Yeah, sure.
[44:31.900 --> 44:33.600]  You know, his organization exists today.
[44:33.600 --> 44:36.200]  They don't look at don't listen to those guys over there.
[44:36.200 --> 44:37.000]  You know, yeah, okay.
[44:37.600 --> 44:39.900]  Yeah, that's why he was he was a good guy.
[44:39.900 --> 44:41.100]  That's why NPR had him on.
[44:41.100 --> 44:41.600]  That's right.
[44:41.600 --> 44:42.200]  Yeah, right.
[44:43.200 --> 44:45.700]  People go we wrote we wrote a book about that called The Pied
[44:45.700 --> 44:47.200]  Piper of the establishment.
[44:47.500 --> 44:50.100]  We wrote that book Jack McMaster past president.
[44:50.200 --> 44:51.100]  You may have known him.
[44:51.300 --> 44:54.300]  He wrote the book about Buckley and he was you know, he was all
[44:54.300 --> 44:58.500]  put together to make sure that he steers the the conservative
[44:58.500 --> 45:01.600]  movement their direction of the CFR in which he was a member
[45:01.600 --> 45:02.200]  of the CFR.
[45:02.400 --> 45:05.600]  So, you know, it's like, you know, as I said, it's not a
[45:05.600 --> 45:08.400]  matter of it's all controlled, you know, it's and he was
[45:08.400 --> 45:09.400]  control opposition.
[45:09.400 --> 45:10.900]  He's very poster child for that.
[45:10.900 --> 45:11.700]  Isn't he controlled?
[45:11.900 --> 45:12.800]  Absolutely correct.
[45:12.800 --> 45:15.600]  And people still hold him up as he was some, you know, super
[45:15.600 --> 45:16.200]  conservative.
[45:16.200 --> 45:19.400]  He was yeah, I remember, you know, wrestling ball really
[45:19.400 --> 45:20.300]  analyzed him.
[45:21.400 --> 45:24.800]  It's like, you don't realize who this guy is that that's kind
[45:24.800 --> 45:25.300]  of telling.
[45:25.300 --> 45:31.400]  But anyway, it's a it really is a great organization and really
[45:31.400 --> 45:32.800]  to appreciate what you guys do.
[45:33.100 --> 45:39.300]  And again, the the the quiet ideology reshaping policy from
[45:39.300 --> 45:41.700]  London parlors to DC power.
[45:42.100 --> 45:44.800]  Is that a book or is that an article because that's how I
[45:44.800 --> 45:48.300]  found out about about sounds like the same.
[45:48.300 --> 45:49.800]  It sounds like the Fabian freeway.
[45:49.800 --> 45:50.800]  That's what it sounds like.
[45:50.800 --> 45:53.300]  Okay, that's a subtitle over.
[45:53.300 --> 45:55.600]  Yeah, the JBS been around for a long time.
[45:55.600 --> 45:57.200]  We have area chapters.
[45:57.500 --> 46:00.800]  We educate people on the voting record of the representatives.
[46:01.200 --> 46:04.800]  And so we try to encourage people to be active participants
[46:04.800 --> 46:05.800]  in the process.
[46:06.000 --> 46:08.500]  How do you change your representative?
[46:08.500 --> 46:11.400]  David is if you don't understand the Constitution or at least
[46:11.400 --> 46:14.400]  go visit them say, why did you vote unconstitutional?
[46:14.400 --> 46:16.200]  So we have this thing called the scorecard.
[46:16.800 --> 46:19.800]  We print it out every quarter and it talks about the voting
[46:19.800 --> 46:21.000]  record Constitutionally.
[46:21.000 --> 46:24.200]  We picked them on Congress in all the Senate as well as the
[46:24.200 --> 46:26.200]  House where they are.
[46:26.200 --> 46:28.900]  So people know if they're voting Constitution or not, and
[46:28.900 --> 46:33.000]  it's our personal responsibility as Americans to uphold
[46:33.000 --> 46:36.300]  member that their legislative representatives work for us and
[46:36.300 --> 46:40.000]  say, hey, why are you voting this way and what they have not?
[46:40.000 --> 46:43.500]  I mean representative called me said no one ever very rarely
[46:43.500 --> 46:46.600]  calls me on the phone and talks about anything.
[46:46.900 --> 46:50.700]  Yeah, and so we can't it's not you know, we can't sit back
[46:50.700 --> 46:53.900]  and I said in one day we have a handsome young conservative
[46:53.900 --> 46:55.000]  show up in Congress.
[46:55.000 --> 46:56.400]  It doesn't happen that way.
[46:56.400 --> 47:02.000]  Yeah, so my biggest goal is fight complacency in Americans
[47:02.500 --> 47:06.700]  and it's life is too good and even though the economics today
[47:06.700 --> 47:10.500]  is hurting them now, they're listening but life is too good
[47:10.500 --> 47:13.700]  and they have to you know, we have to get behind and spend
[47:13.700 --> 47:17.400]  a little time protecting our sovereignty and our freedoms,
[47:17.700 --> 47:20.800]  but we have to know who we are first and that's what we
[47:20.800 --> 47:22.900]  try to teach American as principles.
[47:23.200 --> 47:24.200]  What's going on Texas?
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[48:23.400 --> 48:25.900]  and hold up representatives who work for us to make sure
[48:25.900 --> 48:26.800]  that happens.
[48:27.000 --> 48:27.500]  I agree.
[48:27.600 --> 48:30.100]  Yeah, and that's what I liked about the John Bursch Society
[48:30.100 --> 48:34.700]  was the focus on local activism as well and you know what
[48:34.700 --> 48:38.500]  is happening locally in your state as well and I've seen
[48:38.500 --> 48:41.100]  what you're talking about in terms of representatives who
[48:41.100 --> 48:42.400]  say nobody ever calls me.
[48:42.900 --> 48:45.000]  I saw the power of that and I've talked about this on the
[48:45.000 --> 48:46.700]  program when I lived in North Carolina.
[48:47.000 --> 48:50.400]  I was involved with homeschooling and at that point
[48:50.400 --> 48:54.300]  in time all of North Carolina's government was Democrat
[48:55.000 --> 48:57.600]  Democrat House and Senate as well as the governor and all
[48:57.600 --> 48:58.200]  the rest of stuff.
[48:58.200 --> 49:02.000]  So they they decided the teachers unions decided that
[49:02.000 --> 49:04.000]  they were going to shut down homeschooling and it looked
[49:04.000 --> 49:06.400]  like they were going to be able to do it because it was
[49:06.400 --> 49:11.900]  all Democrats and an active minority of homeschoolers
[49:11.900 --> 49:13.600]  which was really small at the time.
[49:13.600 --> 49:15.200]  There wasn't a lot of people homeschooling.
[49:15.700 --> 49:18.600]  There's so many more who are doing it today, but everybody
[49:18.600 --> 49:21.100]  got actively involved and started writing and it made
[49:21.100 --> 49:24.000]  them look so much bigger than they actually were.
[49:24.400 --> 49:28.100]  And actually beat down the teachers unions in a Democrat
[49:28.100 --> 49:31.200]  state that we're going to try to regulate homeschooling out
[49:31.200 --> 49:32.800]  of existence.
[49:32.800 --> 49:36.200]  And so that is a was a very important first-hand lesson
[49:36.200 --> 49:38.400]  to learn but it's difficult to get people to do that.
[49:38.400 --> 49:40.300]  And that's one of the things that John Birch Society does.
[49:40.300 --> 49:44.400]  I think is excellent which is to educate each other about
[49:44.400 --> 49:48.200]  what is happening locally within your state and and how
[49:48.200 --> 49:50.000]  you can take action at a local level.
[49:50.400 --> 49:54.800]  I remember my probably my earliest memory of John Birch
[49:54.800 --> 49:57.300]  Society was the support your local sheriff stuff being
[49:57.300 --> 50:01.200]  concerned about the federalization and of the police
[50:01.200 --> 50:05.200]  and that is something that is now really escalating isn't
[50:05.200 --> 50:05.400]  it?
[50:05.800 --> 50:08.500]  Yeah, yeah, we actually have a we have that group is still
[50:08.500 --> 50:10.900]  exists called support your local police with we want to
[50:10.900 --> 50:12.600]  keep them independent of federalized.
[50:12.600 --> 50:13.200]  We have a group.
[50:13.200 --> 50:16.400]  We have an affiliate not-for-profit called support
[50:16.400 --> 50:19.500]  your local police and we also have a you mentioned school.
[50:20.100 --> 50:23.200]  With the homeschool we've been existing for 15 years
[50:23.200 --> 50:25.300]  called the Freedom Project Academy.
[50:25.400 --> 50:27.200]  It goes from kindergarten to high school.
[50:27.400 --> 50:31.700]  We have live we you know education of course online or
[50:31.700 --> 50:35.300]  you can buy a recorded version of it and that's been around
[50:35.300 --> 50:40.700]  so we're educating all over the world adults are having
[50:40.700 --> 50:43.700]  their children sign up to learn really Americanism who
[50:43.700 --> 50:49.800]  we are not a fabricated history and we teach you how
[50:49.800 --> 50:52.800]  the kids had a right cursive and do math to read books.
[50:52.800 --> 50:53.800]  How about that for a change?
[50:54.200 --> 50:57.400]  And so we you know, it hasn't happened in a public school.
[50:57.400 --> 51:00.200]  I can tell you that and we spent more time in education
[51:00.200 --> 51:02.900]  than social emotional learning.
[51:03.000 --> 51:05.200]  But the thing is in it goes you mentioned Alison we roll
[51:05.200 --> 51:06.100]  out books about that.
[51:06.200 --> 51:08.500]  But the thing is is that so we look at education where
[51:08.500 --> 51:12.900]  children or adults bring the bring it to view really who
[51:12.900 --> 51:16.100]  we are what we're all about because we've been indoctrinated
[51:16.400 --> 51:19.100]  and we know that brainwashing has existed through all the
[51:19.100 --> 51:23.000]  mass media David all the mass media as you know very well
[51:23.000 --> 51:24.100]  because you're in the media business.
[51:24.200 --> 51:26.600]  That's all control by the Council on Formulations every
[51:26.600 --> 51:29.600]  one of the New York Times all the networks including Fox
[51:29.600 --> 51:32.400]  and it's all controlled media and they all say the same
[51:32.400 --> 51:33.600]  thing same deal.
[51:33.900 --> 51:34.900]  So guess what?
[51:35.700 --> 51:36.800]  That's the only thing you hear.
[51:36.800 --> 51:39.600]  That's the only thing you believe so we said no time out.
[51:39.800 --> 51:43.300]  Let's talk about reality here and it's hard for some people
[51:43.300 --> 51:44.000]  to swallow.
[51:44.000 --> 51:47.400]  But once you've been red-pilled all of a sudden the world
[51:47.400 --> 51:48.900]  changes like now.
[51:48.900 --> 51:50.300]  I see what's going on here.
[51:50.500 --> 51:53.100]  So are that's our job in the Berkshire we did with kids
[51:53.100 --> 51:53.900]  with school.
[51:54.200 --> 51:56.000]  You're right about the law enforcement want to keep
[51:56.000 --> 51:56.800]  them independent.
[51:57.000 --> 51:59.500]  We teach the Constitution we get people involved.
[51:59.900 --> 52:02.700]  It's about education and get people activated and evolve
[52:02.700 --> 52:04.100]  that's really important.
[52:04.200 --> 52:06.600]  I absolutely agree get activated evolve and that's how
[52:06.600 --> 52:10.100]  we save our country as well as the people over in England.
[52:10.300 --> 52:13.400]  They see the problem now because they're watching their
[52:13.400 --> 52:16.400]  country be destroyed and I mentioned the Fabians we first
[52:16.400 --> 52:19.300]  came on because that's coming to tractions for the United
[52:19.300 --> 52:19.900]  States.
[52:20.200 --> 52:22.700]  What you see in Europe is coming to tractions for here.
[52:22.800 --> 52:24.900]  Oh, yeah, just delayed just a little bit.
[52:24.900 --> 52:26.100]  Yeah, it's a warning.
[52:26.500 --> 52:27.000]  That's right.
[52:27.400 --> 52:27.700]  Yeah.
[52:27.700 --> 52:30.700]  And so, you know getting back to the federalization of the
[52:30.700 --> 52:34.000]  police, you know, we look at these things and we say, okay,
[52:34.100 --> 52:38.000]  even if you like the guy who's doing it and even if you agree
[52:38.000 --> 52:40.900]  with the stated goal you have to look at this and say you
[52:40.900 --> 52:44.000]  have it that policy is going to establish a precedent of
[52:44.000 --> 52:47.600]  the federalization of law enforcement and so I know where
[52:47.600 --> 52:48.700]  that leads, right?
[52:48.700 --> 52:49.900]  So we pull this back.
[52:50.700 --> 52:54.400]  Okay, so let's let's walk this back and and we have to oppose
[52:54.400 --> 52:57.500]  this even if we agree with the stated purpose.
[52:57.500 --> 53:01.400]  That's the wrong way to do it and it is so important that we
[53:01.400 --> 53:07.700]  not sacrifice the that the that the you know that the means
[53:07.700 --> 53:10.500]  does not it's not just that the end does not justify the
[53:10.500 --> 53:13.800]  means that's how these people always get us there and and
[53:13.800 --> 53:16.300]  it's understanding those principles and what America is
[53:16.300 --> 53:19.300]  about understanding the Constitution and what that's about
[53:19.300 --> 53:23.000]  and why those things are there those important safeguards
[53:23.400 --> 53:26.500]  against tyranny and understand that if we wipe those things
[53:26.500 --> 53:30.000]  away because it's going to make it more expedient for us to
[53:30.000 --> 53:32.700]  achieve this particular policy goal.
[53:33.500 --> 53:35.500]  We are going to pay the price the longer than we.
[53:36.300 --> 53:39.900]  Nationalized police force is one of Marx's Karl Marx's plan
[53:39.900 --> 53:42.900]  and so that's where we're trying to avoid keep them local
[53:42.900 --> 53:46.100]  and independent your sheriff is a very important person in
[53:46.100 --> 53:50.000]  your County very important person and I was I encourage
[53:50.000 --> 53:53.600]  people to know who the sheriff is and talk to them and making
[53:53.600 --> 53:56.700]  sure that you understand they understand about America's
[53:56.700 --> 53:59.500]  principles in our in our rights and they have you have to
[53:59.500 --> 54:02.700]  know who the sheriff is so they know who you are much like
[54:02.700 --> 54:05.500]  your legislators and state legislature, you know go back
[54:05.500 --> 54:09.800]  to our basics of our country our United States were form is
[54:09.800 --> 54:14.300]  independent States sovereign States over a period of time
[54:14.300 --> 54:17.700]  David that we've given the states have given power from
[54:17.700 --> 54:19.400]  themselves to the federal government.
[54:19.400 --> 54:21.400]  That's not the way it was supposed to operate.
[54:21.500 --> 54:23.700]  Yeah, the government supposed to defend us against public
[54:23.700 --> 54:28.100]  and domestic enemies, you know, and that's very limited powers
[54:28.100 --> 54:30.600]  look at article one section of the Constitution very limited
[54:30.600 --> 54:33.900]  powers Congress has right and government and so we have
[54:33.900 --> 54:37.200]  actually given more power to the federal government why it's
[54:37.300 --> 54:39.500]  all upside-side and distorted distorted today.
[54:39.500 --> 54:42.900]  So we spend time with our local legislators in each state to
[54:42.900 --> 54:45.900]  make sure they would hold the constitutional responsibility
[54:45.900 --> 54:49.700]  each state has a Constitution the word democracy does not
[54:49.700 --> 54:50.100]  exist.
[54:50.100 --> 54:51.500]  It's always a Republic.
[54:51.600 --> 54:54.100]  That's all nothing we teach people that word does not appear
[54:54.100 --> 54:57.100]  in our Constitution or any state Constitution and people don't
[54:57.100 --> 55:00.500]  even know that and I said you have to understand States are
[55:00.500 --> 55:03.900]  sovereign make sure you make this is where it begins.
[55:04.000 --> 55:08.100]  So if you look at our history it was done with that phenomenal
[55:08.100 --> 55:10.400]  idea that keep them sovereign independent States.
[55:10.400 --> 55:14.400]  So those basic things I just said to you most Americans I
[55:14.400 --> 55:16.100]  talked to do not understand that.
[55:16.200 --> 55:18.100]  Yeah, they don't know that's right.
[55:18.100 --> 55:23.200]  They absolutely do not and and it's so important that we do
[55:23.200 --> 55:25.900]  we understand a foundation of principles and why these things
[55:25.900 --> 55:29.000]  were set up the way they were actually is a good plan.
[55:29.000 --> 55:31.100]  You know, even though the Constitution has been completely
[55:31.400 --> 55:34.600]  violated it's still a good plan and we should try it someday
[55:34.600 --> 55:35.400]  in our lifetime.
[55:35.400 --> 55:39.900]  I think it's like the Ten Commandments is not the ten suggestions.
[55:39.900 --> 55:40.700]  You know, that's right.
[55:40.700 --> 55:41.300]  That's right.
[55:41.600 --> 55:43.800]  And they all see the Constitution you have to know before
[55:43.800 --> 55:48.000]  you can hold it, you know, and everybody pretty much whether
[55:48.000 --> 55:50.300]  they're local or state or especially federal they take an
[55:50.300 --> 55:54.200]  oath to the Constitution as a requirement of their authority
[55:54.200 --> 55:57.800]  and so when they violate that they no longer having a legitimate
[55:57.800 --> 56:01.000]  authority, but they do have a lot of power and so we need
[56:01.000 --> 56:03.600]  to understand that we can have power collectively and that's
[56:03.600 --> 56:06.300]  one of the things I think the John Birch Society does bring
[56:06.300 --> 56:07.000]  to the table.
[56:07.300 --> 56:08.600]  Thank you so much for joining us.
[56:08.600 --> 56:10.100]  It's been a fascinating discussion.
[56:10.600 --> 56:13.300]  Mr. Morrow, Wayne Morrow, thank you.
[56:13.300 --> 56:17.100]  Wayne Morrow the CEO of the John Birch Society always great
[56:17.100 --> 56:17.900]  talking to you guys.
[56:17.900 --> 56:19.900]  We're going to take a quick break folks and we'll be right
[56:19.900 --> 56:21.500]  back want to talk a little bit about what's going on with
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[56:23.600 --> 56:24.900]  So we'll be right back.
[56:24.900 --> 56:25.500]  Stay with us.
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[59:50.500 --> 59:51.400]  Welcome back folks.
[59:51.400 --> 59:53.700]  We got a lot of comments and Jersey boy.
[59:53.700 --> 59:55.000]  Thank you so much for the support.
[59:55.000 --> 59:57.400]  He says, can you please ask if he was ever heard of
[59:57.400 --> 59:59.300]  William Cooper who wrote behold a pale horse.
[59:59.500 --> 01:00:00.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.400]  I didn't see that comment in time.
[01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.100]  I'm sorry.
[01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:06.000]  And does he know about Jimmy from Brooklyn who JBS
[01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.600]  interviewed who I'm trying to get on your show.
[01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:09.500]  Okay.
[01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:11.100]  Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
[01:00:11.100 --> 01:00:11.800]  I missed that.
[01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:12.500]  I'm very sorry.
[01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.000]  Yes apologies.
[01:00:14.500 --> 01:00:15.600]  Owen 61.
[01:00:15.600 --> 01:00:16.600]  Thank you so much for the support.
[01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:17.900]  He just says, thank you.
[01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:19.300]  Well, thank you Owen.
[01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:19.800]  Appreciate it.
[01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:20.000]  Yes.
[01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:20.700]  Thank you so much.
[01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:23.200]  And Jersey boy again says I remember a few years ago from
[01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:28.300]  JBS and email history of and I need to history of Republicans.
[01:00:28.300 --> 01:00:30.000]  It was started by a communist.
[01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.100]  Does he know what it was and what does he think of JFK?
[01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:34.300]  You know, it's interesting.
[01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:40.800]  Book I really enjoyed was an alternative history book by
[01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.800]  Harry Turledove.
[01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:44.300]  He's written a lot of alternative history books and
[01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:48.400]  this one was about the Civil War is called how few remain
[01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:53.800]  and in it, you know, you may know the history that antietam
[01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.900]  as bloody as a battle was nearly was could have been a
[01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:03.900]  victory for the South except that when the couriers dropped
[01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:07.800]  the orders that he was carrying and they fell into the
[01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.800]  Union's hands.
[01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:13.000]  And so in his book guys say hey you drop those orders better
[01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:13.700]  pick those up.
[01:01:13.700 --> 01:01:15.800]  Can you imagine what would happen if the other guys got
[01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.300]  that right?
[01:01:16.600 --> 01:01:21.700]  And so that causes an early into the war and pretty much all
[01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:27.300]  the major figures of both North and South survive and the
[01:01:28.700 --> 01:01:31.700]  causes early into the war and the South to gain its
[01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:36.700]  independence and in the in his alternative history.
[01:01:37.100 --> 01:01:41.200]  Lincoln is entirely discredited because he lost the war but
[01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:45.100]  then he makes a comeback as this book is picking up a couple
[01:01:45.100 --> 01:01:46.900]  of decades on at that point in time.
[01:01:46.900 --> 01:01:51.200]  I think he's got Stonewall Jackson as the as a president
[01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:54.800]  of the Confederacy and Lincoln makes a political comeback as
[01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.500]  head of the Socialist Party and that's one of the things that
[01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:01.000]  made that book so interesting was you really did understand
[01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:06.000]  these people what motivated them and the things behind them.
[01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:10.200]  And so yeah, there was an early connection with that and if
[01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:13.900]  you look at always think about the Pledge of Allegiance that
[01:02:13.900 --> 01:02:17.500]  was put in by the Grand Army the Republic most the veterans
[01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:21.100]  especially if they were well known or successful played
[01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:22.600]  important part in the war.
[01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:26.800]  They got very big positions in the subsequent governments that
[01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:29.700]  were there and the Grand Army the Republic which was the
[01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:35.200]  organization of Civil War veterans for the North had a tremendous
[01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:36.100]  amount of influence.
[01:02:36.100 --> 01:02:39.400]  They were the ones who instituted the Pledge of Allegiance
[01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:43.100]  and it initially did not have under God in it until the mid
[01:02:43.100 --> 01:02:44.100]  1950s.
[01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:49.400]  And so the emphasis was on one nation indivisible and that
[01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:53.600]  you know very harsh with that and the it was the pledge was
[01:02:53.600 --> 01:02:59.000]  done with one arms extended out palm down just like the Nazi
[01:02:59.000 --> 01:02:59.600]  salute.
[01:02:59.900 --> 01:03:03.400]  They changed it to hand over your heart because the Nazi
[01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:08.400]  salute but yeah socialism and a lot of other things were there
[01:03:08.600 --> 01:03:12.300]  and the as well as the concentration of power and really
[01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:16.000]  talking about the destruction of the states as sovereign
[01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.300]  entities and the understanding that the states had created the
[01:03:19.300 --> 01:03:22.500]  federal government all that stuff disappeared with Civil
[01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:22.800]  War.
[01:03:23.100 --> 01:03:23.500]  Go ahead.
[01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:29.500]  We have usernames 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 AI will be kosher and
[01:03:29.500 --> 01:03:30.400]  DEI.
[01:03:32.200 --> 01:03:36.200]  Nibiru 2029 says we have the best government money can buy
[01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:40.800]  and that's a quote from Mark Twain and they spend more and
[01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.800]  more every single day.
[01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:48.500]  Pezzanovante 1776 ask the guest his take on war Gaza Trump's
[01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.900]  anti-Semitism czar in the Heritage Foundation's project
[01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:51.800]  Esther apologize.
[01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:52.600]  I didn't see that.
[01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.800]  Yes, the conversation was too good.
[01:03:56.600 --> 01:03:59.600]  Guard Goldsmith says curiously people often claim Marx was
[01:03:59.600 --> 01:04:02.100]  focused solely on economics, but his entire worldview was
[01:04:02.100 --> 01:04:04.200]  cultural based on envy and hate.
[01:04:04.300 --> 01:04:06.100]  Yeah conflict.
[01:04:06.100 --> 01:04:07.700]  Yeah, they go in dialectic.
[01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:10.200]  That's why you know, we can we have to look at the different
[01:04:10.200 --> 01:04:11.900]  ways that they divide us.
[01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:15.100]  You know, it's very explicit what Bill Ayers and Bernie
[01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:17.800]  Dorn weather weathermen wanted to do.
[01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:19.000]  They wouldn't have a race war.
[01:04:20.300 --> 01:04:23.700]  Marx focused the thing about economics was there, but that
[01:04:23.700 --> 01:04:29.300]  was really a class struggle right and the economics was a
[01:04:29.300 --> 01:04:33.600]  part of that class struggle and but it's always about dividing
[01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:36.400]  us and that's why I said, you know, we have to be very careful
[01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.600]  about the Republican versus Democrat thing any kind of
[01:04:39.600 --> 01:04:43.500]  division that they can use like that and when we attach ourselves
[01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:47.600]  to a different ethnic group or different political group,
[01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:51.800]  these different types of things those attachments draw us away
[01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:56.100]  from the principles that can be the bulwark against this kind
[01:04:56.100 --> 01:04:59.700]  of socialist hell, but they want to put us in yeah and Mama
[01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:03.300]  C 1996 as I never learned so much as when I was homeschooling
[01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:04.100]  my kids.
[01:05:04.600 --> 01:05:05.300]  That's right.
[01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:05.900]  That's right.
[01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:06.600]  Excellent.
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.700]  And that was the thing that really missed about it.
[01:05:09.700 --> 01:05:13.200]  That was that was where I put all of my effort before I had
[01:05:13.200 --> 01:05:16.500]  the show as a matter of fact that was at one point.
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:20.600]  It was kind of bothering me because I was filling in for
[01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:21.800]  Alex at the very beginning.
[01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.400]  He said, you know, there's gonna be millions of people listening
[01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:23.600]  to you.
[01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:28.800]  I said don't tell me that right now, but because I was not
[01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.900]  very much into public speaking or anything like that and I
[01:05:32.900 --> 01:05:35.500]  said no the way I think of this and that was in his original
[01:05:35.500 --> 01:05:37.900]  studio, which was really small and intimate.
[01:05:38.200 --> 01:05:40.700]  I said the way I think of this is I'm talking to the guys over
[01:05:40.700 --> 01:05:43.600]  there running the board I could see them and I said I'm just
[01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:46.000]  thinking like I'm doing homeschooling with my kids.
[01:05:46.300 --> 01:05:49.200]  So I said don't talk to me about millions of people listening
[01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:50.900]  to that'll freeze me up.
[01:05:50.900 --> 01:05:54.300]  So that's the way I always looked at it and it was such a
[01:05:54.300 --> 01:05:57.800]  wonderful thing because it gave us an opportunity to go back
[01:05:58.300 --> 01:06:03.400]  and look at content that was compelled on us in the schools
[01:06:04.100 --> 01:06:08.300]  and do to view it in a different way and that's one of
[01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:11.800]  the things I've always said about biology and evolution.
[01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.600]  You know, when it's taught to us in the schools, it was always
[01:06:14.600 --> 01:06:19.600]  dumbed down into skeletons and death, right for the evolutionist
[01:06:19.600 --> 01:06:24.500]  death is the thing the engine of creation for us.
[01:06:24.600 --> 01:06:28.500]  It is the giver of life and we didn't look at comparative
[01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:30.000]  anatomy of skeletons.
[01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:34.500]  We looked at the unique design of each and every animal and
[01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:36.200]  that was the thing that was so fascinating.
[01:06:36.200 --> 01:06:39.000]  So it really is a blessing and an opportunity.
[01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.400]  I hope if you have the opportunity to take that to homeschool
[01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.600]  your kids have a good day.
[01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:44.300]  Thank you take a photo on a phone.
[01:06:44.600 --> 01:06:47.300]  There is machine learning in the background highest quality
[01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:50.600]  video capture ever in a smartphone in the metaverse.
[01:06:50.900 --> 01:06:53.800]  We're going to need AI that is builder on helping people
[01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.500]  navigate virtual worlds as well as our physical world with
[01:06:57.500 --> 01:07:01.800]  augmented reality augmented reality is a profound technology
[01:07:02.100 --> 01:07:05.900]  includes like your position in 3D space your your body language
[01:07:05.900 --> 01:07:11.300]  facial gestures and we invented new intimate ways to connect
[01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:15.700]  and communicate directly from your wrist everything from
[01:07:15.700 --> 01:07:19.500]  virtual reality to designing our own data centers describing
[01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:22.500]  what's coming even it just so different and you I've been in
[01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:25.100]  this infrastructure business for you know, three decades.
[01:07:25.100 --> 01:07:26.100]  No one has ever seen it.
[01:07:27.700 --> 01:07:31.200]  Now I expect that these trends will only increase in the
[01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:32.900]  future in the last few months.
[01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:36.600]  We launched voice and vision capabilities so that chat GPT
[01:07:36.600 --> 01:07:38.900]  can now see hear and speak.
[01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:47.500]  What's up to 128,000 tokens of context that's 300 pages of
[01:07:47.500 --> 01:07:48.300]  a standard book.
[01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:50.400]  That's all AI generated.
[01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:54.400]  Actually, let's add some alto cumulus files.
[01:07:57.700 --> 01:07:58.200]  All right.
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[01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:54.400]  Keith Rieger says that there's only two possibilities for
[01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:58.400]  AI is either going to collapse the economy if it doesn't
[01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:02.200]  work out or if it does work out the use case is to take
[01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:06.800]  everybody's job and make everybody's jobs obsolete not a
[01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:10.000]  good prospect if those are the two choices that are there.
[01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.800]  I think though that there is a third choice and that is that
[01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:17.200]  the government maybe it won't take everybody's job and
[01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:19.800]  maybe it won't collapse the economy because maybe the AI
[01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.500]  bubble won't burst but we will live under a dystopian
[01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.500]  control surveillance grid because that's what the government
[01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:28.300]  will use it for.
[01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.800]  So there's a third alternative AI's killer use case folks
[01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:37.400]  is surveillance and control of us and that's why the government
[01:11:37.400 --> 01:11:39.500]  is going to be so desperate to fund it.
[01:11:39.500 --> 01:11:42.500]  Whatever it takes if you want to know why gold and silver
[01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:44.100]  and Bitcoin are soaring.
[01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:49.900]  It's the debasement of the dollar in order to fund the AI
[01:11:49.900 --> 01:11:50.600]  arms race.
[01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:55.100]  They said and of course energy is the reality factor and all
[01:11:55.100 --> 01:11:55.600]  of this.
[01:11:56.200 --> 01:11:59.100]  That's where it gets real and that's one of the reasons why
[01:11:59.100 --> 01:12:02.400]  Bill Gates and others are moving back away from the climate
[01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:03.000]  McGuffin.
[01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.200]  The plandemic McGuffin gives them all the justification that
[01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:10.800]  they need and they need to have this surveillance control
[01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:14.100]  and ID this control grid that is there.
[01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:15.900]  They need to have that and they need to have artificial
[01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:18.600]  intelligence to run that so they're pulling back from that
[01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.200]  because in order to have the AI control structure, they've
[01:12:21.200 --> 01:12:23.600]  got to have massive amounts of energy.
[01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.800]  All right and joining us now is Dr.
[01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.700]  Richard Restak MD and he is a neuroscientist as well and he
[01:12:37.700 --> 01:12:43.100]  has written a lot of books on the brain and now this is one
[01:12:43.300 --> 01:12:46.900]  kind of the nexus of our brain and artificial intelligence.
[01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:50.400]  So I want to get him on because we as you know, we talk about
[01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:53.200]  AI and its impact on society quite a bit.
[01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:54.700]  Thank you for joining us, Dr.
[01:12:54.700 --> 01:12:55.100]  Restak.
[01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:57.500]  Well, I'm happy to be here.
[01:12:57.500 --> 01:12:58.200]  Thank you, David.
[01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:01.900]  You've written so many books and the best-selling author and
[01:13:01.900 --> 01:13:03.600]  of course people can find this on Amazon.
[01:13:03.700 --> 01:13:04.800]  You've written so many books.
[01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:07.000]  What is different about the brain?
[01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.200]  What is different about this one and why did you write this
[01:13:10.200 --> 01:13:10.600]  book?
[01:13:11.400 --> 01:13:17.400]  I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the dangers
[01:13:17.400 --> 01:13:21.900]  that are lurking and so to speak in the 21st century and
[01:13:21.900 --> 01:13:25.200]  are unique to the 21st century but are having an effect on
[01:13:25.200 --> 01:13:29.500]  the brain and a negative one so that we really are imperiled
[01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:34.900]  by eight different factors, one of which is the global warming
[01:13:34.900 --> 01:13:40.300]  we have new diseases that are present in the 21st century
[01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:44.700]  that are increasing starting with COVID moving forward.
[01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:50.400]  We have problems of course with the global warming which we'll
[01:13:50.400 --> 01:13:53.300]  talk about in more detail and then the internet, the effect
[01:13:53.300 --> 01:13:58.400]  of the internet, the effect of AI, memory, the alteration,
[01:13:58.400 --> 01:14:02.300]  the attempt to alter memory almost to alter our memories of
[01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:03.600]  what the past was like.
[01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:08.100]  This is an ongoing enterprise by various governments in the
[01:14:08.100 --> 01:14:09.500]  world including our own.
[01:14:10.400 --> 01:14:14.500]  We also have surveillance, the seventh, the surveillance
[01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:17.300]  becoming increasingly a surveillance society.
[01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:23.000]  It's almost impossible to not be revealing things about yourself
[01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.900]  because there's surveillance cameras everywhere.
[01:14:26.300 --> 01:14:28.900]  I can give you several examples of that just in my own personal
[01:14:28.900 --> 01:14:32.700]  life and then finally the eighth one is anxiety.
[01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:36.700]  All of these things are creating what I call an existential
[01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:37.900]  anxiety.
[01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:42.500]  People are being given information but it's being molded
[01:14:42.700 --> 01:14:46.900]  according to the thoughts and the inclinations of people in
[01:14:46.900 --> 01:14:47.400]  power.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.300]  For instance, let's take today's right out of today's New York
[01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:53.800]  Times on page A7.
[01:14:54.300 --> 01:14:59.200]  There's an article called The Air in New Delhi is life-threatening
[01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:05.300]  and it tells the tale of the New York Times reporters who have
[01:15:05.300 --> 01:15:08.500]  spread themselves throughout New Delhi from 6 a.m.
[01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:13.600]  until late in the evening of a certain day recently and they
[01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:18.100]  measured the particulate matter in the air and it was anywhere
[01:15:18.100 --> 01:15:24.000]  from 10 times to 30 times as great as would be considered
[01:15:24.400 --> 01:15:25.600]  minimally normal.
[01:15:26.300 --> 01:15:30.900]  Now on top of that you have the statement that they state that
[01:15:31.700 --> 01:15:35.800]  the government is actually trying to hide this kind of
[01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:41.400]  insight to the populace by spraying water and other things
[01:15:41.400 --> 01:15:41.900]  like that.
[01:15:41.900 --> 01:15:45.900]  It says that they're doing this around the measuring stations.
[01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:50.800]  They're also losing data from measuring stations during the
[01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:52.600]  worst bouts of pollution.
[01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:58.300]  So there you have the molding of the facts either denying them
[01:15:58.300 --> 01:16:01.900]  all together or trying to improve them so people say,
[01:16:01.900 --> 01:16:04.700]  oh well, they measured it down at such-and-such a measuring
[01:16:04.700 --> 01:16:07.000]  station and it was really not all that high.
[01:16:07.300 --> 01:16:10.400]  Of course they were spreading water and other things to try
[01:16:10.400 --> 01:16:11.300]  to reduce this.
[01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:16.000]  So we've got a capitalist society here in the United States
[01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:21.500]  which has a vested interest in pushing forward certain
[01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:23.300]  scientific points of view.
[01:16:23.900 --> 01:16:27.400]  So science is being put sort of in the back seat and there's
[01:16:27.400 --> 01:16:31.200]  politicians and other people all of whom share one thing
[01:16:31.700 --> 01:16:36.100]  capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of or which
[01:16:36.100 --> 01:16:37.800]  they are advancing.
[01:16:39.400 --> 01:16:43.500]  And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get protection
[01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:47.600]  and subsidies as well and the control is being taken away
[01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.200]  from us because as I was just reporting earlier today,
[01:16:50.900 --> 01:16:53.800]  they're working very hard to make sure that state and local
[01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.800]  governments can't enact any control on artificial
[01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:01.200]  intelligence and that came up in the context of talking about
[01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:06.300]  how the manufacturers of tasers also big manufacturers of
[01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:08.800]  police body cams, how they want to wed that to artificial
[01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:11.700]  intelligence and the question is, you know, what could possibly
[01:17:11.700 --> 01:17:15.000]  go wrong with that if they identify you, they misidentify
[01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.900]  you as a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how
[01:17:18.900 --> 01:17:21.300]  dangerous you are, they could get people killed.
[01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:27.500]  Well, not only that, but all of these efforts set up a sense
[01:17:27.500 --> 01:17:29.400]  of anxiety.
[01:17:29.400 --> 01:17:30.700]  Yes, and fear.
[01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:33.300]  Let me just tell you what happened to me in one morning
[01:17:34.200 --> 01:17:37.800]  called a cab to go to medical appointment and we've started
[01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:38.900]  going down the road.
[01:17:38.900 --> 01:17:41.100]  The I said to the driver, you know, you're not going the
[01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:43.500]  most efficient or the quickest way.
[01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.600]  He said, I know that he said, but I don't want to go that
[01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.700]  way because there's speed cameras.
[01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:51.700]  I said, well, you know, you're driving very sensibly and
[01:17:51.700 --> 01:17:54.000]  you're not speeding and I'm in no hurry.
[01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:55.400]  So what's the problem?
[01:17:55.900 --> 01:17:58.200]  He said, well, they take pictures of everybody that goes
[01:17:58.200 --> 01:18:01.100]  by those cameras because they want to see who's in those
[01:18:01.100 --> 01:18:03.000]  photos in those cars.
[01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:06.300]  So I asked him to give me a reference for that and he got
[01:18:06.300 --> 01:18:09.500]  sort of didn't say anything else for the rest of the trip.
[01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.300]  So when I got down to the medical building, I got in the
[01:18:12.300 --> 01:18:16.400]  elevator and said in this facility, there is surveillance
[01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.400]  both obvious and hidden.
[01:18:21.900 --> 01:18:26.100]  And the Santa Claus was watching, you know, this is one
[01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:26.800]  morning.
[01:18:27.100 --> 01:18:30.800]  And then when I got up to sign in, I signed the board with
[01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.600]  the electronic pen and I didn't see you go.
[01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:35.500]  No signature.
[01:18:35.500 --> 01:18:35.900]  I saw it.
[01:18:35.900 --> 01:18:38.800]  I said, well, it didn't take show it took but we don't
[01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:40.200]  allow it to go on the screen.
[01:18:40.200 --> 01:18:41.200]  So it could be seen.
[01:18:41.400 --> 01:18:42.800]  I said, why is that simple?
[01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.300]  Somebody behind you might see the thing and then remembered
[01:18:46.300 --> 01:18:50.600]  and use your firm your signature to forward something
[01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:51.200]  somewhere.
[01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.100]  Well, first of all, there was a sign that said stand 10
[01:18:54.100 --> 01:18:55.100]  feet back.
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[01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:04.700]  and we're becoming an increasingly surveilled society
[01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:08.500]  which is creating a sense of paranoia and a sense of fear
[01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:12.100]  to the brain has to adjust to these type of things Dave and
[01:20:12.100 --> 01:20:13.500]  it's very hard to do.
[01:20:14.500 --> 01:20:17.800]  And I think that is calculated, you know, they've been they
[01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.700]  want to do this even to the extent when you talk about
[01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:23.700]  these cameras taking everybody's picture that the flock network
[01:20:23.700 --> 01:20:26.200]  that is out there this corporation that is saying well
[01:20:26.200 --> 01:20:29.000]  we can do whatever we want because it's in public space
[01:20:29.400 --> 01:20:32.900]  and and you know, we're we're not government so we can
[01:20:32.900 --> 01:20:35.900]  collect this information and yet they collect it in order
[01:20:35.900 --> 01:20:37.300]  to sell it to the government.
[01:20:37.400 --> 01:20:41.600]  So it's just a one level indirect but they not only grab
[01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.300]  your license plate, but they also do a complete profile
[01:20:45.300 --> 01:20:48.100]  of your car and all of its idiosyncrasies doesn't have
[01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:50.000]  a dent here does have a scrape there.
[01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:51.200]  What about a bumper sticker?
[01:20:51.400 --> 01:20:54.600]  So it creates a model of your car and so they almost have
[01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:57.800]  like, you know biometric identification of your cars as
[01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:02.100]  well as of you and this is now made possible because of
[01:21:02.100 --> 01:21:06.400]  the advances of AI but this has been something that has
[01:21:06.400 --> 01:21:07.600]  been concerning me.
[01:21:08.300 --> 01:21:11.900]  I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective and
[01:21:11.900 --> 01:21:14.600]  this has been concerning me for a long time the idea that
[01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.900]  government is using technology many different ways internet
[01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:22.800]  social media things like that to monitor and to manipulate
[01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:27.100]  us all the time and to me artificial intelligence just
[01:21:27.100 --> 01:21:31.100]  puts this on steroids and so I think there is something
[01:21:31.100 --> 01:21:35.000]  to be anxious about if we're going to to look at this.
[01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:36.000]  We should be concerned about it.
[01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:39.500]  Maybe not anxious, but we should be concerned about the
[01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:41.800]  goals of people who are putting this kind of stuff together.
[01:21:42.900 --> 01:21:45.900]  So yeah, well, there's that and then there's if you can
[01:21:45.900 --> 01:21:50.200]  manage to change the present you can manipulate the future
[01:21:50.500 --> 01:21:54.100]  versus the real way to get it is to get control of past
[01:21:54.100 --> 01:21:56.000]  as Orwell pointed out.
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:59.500]  Yes, you control the past you, you know, you can control
[01:21:59.500 --> 01:22:02.800]  the present and by the implication control the future
[01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:08.100]  and we've seen alterations of materials even with government
[01:22:08.100 --> 01:22:12.400]  documents government films documentaries things like that
[01:22:12.400 --> 01:22:17.500]  are being altered in ways that are not visible not I should
[01:22:17.500 --> 01:22:20.700]  say detectable not detectable to the ordinary person.
[01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.800]  So they get ideas about what the past was like which are
[01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:30.200]  wrong and are don't show you as I mentioned in the book if
[01:22:30.200 --> 01:22:37.100]  you were at a dance in 1850 before the Civil War and it's
[01:22:37.100 --> 01:22:38.800]  a film we're watching.
[01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:42.500]  Let's just say we're watching a film about 1850 and we're
[01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:45.300]  seeing people ballroom dancing all that then one of them
[01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.500]  pulls the son pulls out a cell phone and you say wait a
[01:22:49.500 --> 01:22:49.900]  minute.
[01:22:49.900 --> 01:22:52.600]  We didn't have cell phones then well, you know, there were
[01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:57.300]  a lot of things that were going on now that were not going
[01:22:57.400 --> 01:23:00.800]  on in the past and it's not to our advantage to try to
[01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:04.800]  pretend that they were they weren't we have to understand
[01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:08.500]  the past understand the future and we're not only creating
[01:23:09.300 --> 01:23:16.600]  situations that are false, but we're also like in 1984
[01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:20.600]  Orwell created a character called Commander Ogilvy.
[01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:22.500]  He was a war hero.
[01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:27.500]  He got all sorts of medals and it was all the proletariat
[01:23:27.500 --> 01:23:30.200]  were all told to honor him and so forth.
[01:23:30.300 --> 01:23:31.600]  Well, he never existed.
[01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.100]  He actually was made up entirely and that's one of the
[01:23:36.100 --> 01:23:40.500]  things that the narrator is doing in the job at work is
[01:23:40.500 --> 01:23:44.900]  filling in photographs of see inserting Ogilvy into
[01:23:44.900 --> 01:23:49.500]  historical events that happened wartime scenarios, etc.
[01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:52.300]  And while reading it will say wow, this is this is some
[01:23:52.300 --> 01:23:52.800]  man.
[01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.000]  Well, he was a complete fabrication.
[01:23:55.300 --> 01:24:00.400]  We're just about at that point with Sora out the AI
[01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:03.400]  out well into it could take you and had you, you know,
[01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:07.000]  good to say let's get David Knight and have him leading
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.300]  some sort of a parade of whatever and you know, suddenly
[01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:13.100]  people say well gosh I saw him with my own eyes.
[01:24:13.400 --> 01:24:17.600]  So what's happening is that the actual seeing is believing
[01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:19.200]  is being turned on its head.
[01:24:19.200 --> 01:24:21.100]  So that's no longer true.
[01:24:21.400 --> 01:24:23.500]  You're talking about a completely fabricated character
[01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:24.600]  out of Orwell.
[01:24:25.200 --> 01:24:28.100]  It's just recently they had Tilly Norwood who is a completely
[01:24:28.100 --> 01:24:31.300]  fabricated AI personality and the person who came up with
[01:24:31.300 --> 01:24:34.300]  it is got agents representing her.
[01:24:34.300 --> 01:24:36.100]  They got her out there as an actress.
[01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:41.300]  So I've created an AI actress, which will do a lot of
[01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:42.500]  different roles for you.
[01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:44.700]  She probably does her own stunts as well.
[01:24:44.700 --> 01:24:48.300]  I mentioned people in sag the Screen Actors Guild and they
[01:24:48.300 --> 01:24:52.500]  were furious about this and I said any agent that represents
[01:24:52.700 --> 01:24:55.500]  this AI character is not going to do any business with us,
[01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:57.600]  but we're already at that point.
[01:24:57.800 --> 01:24:59.200]  It truly is interesting.
[01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.100]  Yeah, and one of the ways of neutralizing it is to create
[01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:05.700]  the situation that exists right now between you and me.
[01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:08.600]  You're laughing and I'm laughing because it seems funny
[01:25:08.900 --> 01:25:12.400]  and it is funny, but it's a very serious purpose behind
[01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:12.900]  all this.
[01:25:12.900 --> 01:25:17.700]  Yes, it's all about her to try to alter people's perceptions
[01:25:17.900 --> 01:25:21.900]  so they begin to doubt the verity of what they're seeing.
[01:25:22.300 --> 01:25:22.900]  That's right.
[01:25:23.200 --> 01:25:26.100]  Yes, and I've talked for the longest time about how the
[01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:29.500]  whole idea for the internet was created by DARPA psychologist
[01:25:29.500 --> 01:25:32.500]  and I've been concerned that it was all about the psychological
[01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:34.600]  manipulation from the get-go with all of this.
[01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:40.800]  But as a physician and as a neuroscientist, I'd be interested
[01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.300]  in your take on you know, what is currently going on because
[01:25:43.300 --> 01:25:46.800]  besides manipulating the past by changing information about
[01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:49.800]  the past or you know memory-holing it or writing a new
[01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.300]  alternative history of it, they are also concerned and
[01:25:53.300 --> 01:25:57.000]  there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA and
[01:25:57.100 --> 01:25:58.900]  I don't know if they've been successful or not, but they
[01:25:58.900 --> 01:26:00.500]  you know, they're putting out requests for people to come
[01:26:00.500 --> 01:26:04.100]  up with things to manipulate people's memories.
[01:26:04.200 --> 01:26:08.400]  So you've got a soldier they say who's got bad PTSD.
[01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:10.500]  Let's get rid of that memory.
[01:26:10.500 --> 01:26:12.100]  Let's give them different memories.
[01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:16.200]  What do you see in terms of someone who studies the brain
[01:26:16.200 --> 01:26:18.400]  and neuroscience, what do you see about that?
[01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:22.300]  What do you take as I think is the state of the art with that?
[01:26:23.100 --> 01:26:25.600]  Well, my last book was called The Complete Book of Memory.
[01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.600]  It had to do with memory.
[01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.100]  I studied memory in great detail.
[01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:32.700]  And of course you have to do away with the concept that
[01:26:32.700 --> 01:26:36.900]  memory is like a video tape or something that you just store
[01:26:36.900 --> 01:26:39.900]  in your brain and when you get and want to get it, you just
[01:26:39.900 --> 01:26:42.100]  bring it out like you bring out a video tape.
[01:26:42.500 --> 01:26:43.500]  It's not like that.
[01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:45.200]  It's a reconstruction.
[01:26:45.200 --> 01:26:50.000]  Each time you think back to a certain event, you alter that
[01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.300]  memory so that you have memory one, memory two, memory three,
[01:26:54.300 --> 01:26:55.400]  on and on and on.
[01:26:56.200 --> 01:27:00.500]  That's the nature of memory and memory can be manipulated.
[01:27:00.900 --> 01:27:04.100]  It's always, you know, in the courtroom, they're always
[01:27:04.100 --> 01:27:06.900]  trying to avoid the contamination of the witness.
[01:27:07.300 --> 01:27:10.500]  An example of that would be well, which car went through
[01:27:10.500 --> 01:27:14.500]  the red light and to ask a witness.
[01:27:14.500 --> 01:27:16.800]  And he said, oh, it was, it was a red car went through the
[01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:17.300]  red light.
[01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.700]  Well, wouldn't surprise you to know that it wasn't a red light,
[01:27:20.700 --> 01:27:23.100]  but it was a stop sign, Mr.
[01:27:23.100 --> 01:27:23.700]  Witness.
[01:27:24.500 --> 01:27:27.900]  Of course, his credibility is gone because he took the
[01:27:27.900 --> 01:27:32.000]  suggestion that it was a red light instead of, and it'd be
[01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.100]  very easy to do because you don't necessarily have that
[01:27:35.100 --> 01:27:37.800]  image, that intersection in your mind.
[01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:41.100]  So that's why there's protections even in the courtroom
[01:27:41.400 --> 01:27:44.200]  against leading the witness, they call it.
[01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.800]  In other words, providing information that's either not
[01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:49.700]  true at all or half true.
[01:27:50.300 --> 01:27:53.900]  So we've got that cause this is not this didn't start in
[01:27:53.900 --> 01:27:57.200]  the 21st century that that started, you know, as long as
[01:27:57.200 --> 01:27:58.600]  we've had courtrooms, right?
[01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:02.400]  This is a more an emphasis now on altering memory.
[01:28:02.700 --> 01:28:05.200]  So people will not, he will get up there and under cross
[01:28:05.200 --> 01:28:07.700]  examination, they'll do pretty well because their whole
[01:28:07.700 --> 01:28:08.700]  memories been altered.
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[01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.100]  And then the one that he says, no, it's misinformation
[01:29:49.400 --> 01:29:50.500]  disinformation.
[01:29:52.400 --> 01:29:53.100]  That's right.
[01:29:53.500 --> 01:29:57.300]  And and we got to be very careful because many times the
[01:29:57.300 --> 01:30:00.200]  people who will tell us about that are the people who want
[01:30:00.200 --> 01:30:04.200]  to be the ones who define what the information is for us.
[01:30:04.700 --> 01:30:06.100]  And they will ask those leading questions.
[01:30:06.100 --> 01:30:08.500]  You know, when we talk about leading questions and manipulating
[01:30:08.500 --> 01:30:12.200]  people, there's been a lot of reports about artificial
[01:30:12.200 --> 01:30:18.500]  intelligence kind of people who have particular psychosis
[01:30:18.500 --> 01:30:22.600]  or something and they get involved with the AI and it starts
[01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:25.600]  to confirm the things that they want because that's what it
[01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:27.500]  is set up to do in terms of bias.
[01:30:27.500 --> 01:30:31.000]  They want to, you know, be empathetic and sympathetic to
[01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.100]  people and so it starts doing that and leading them further
[01:30:34.100 --> 01:30:36.000]  and further down a particular rabbit hole.
[01:30:36.200 --> 01:30:39.700]  There's been situations of, you know, people who got into
[01:30:39.700 --> 01:30:43.200]  severe mental distress some suicides of some young children
[01:30:43.200 --> 01:30:47.000]  and other things like that speak to that aspect of it and
[01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:51.200]  the real danger of that that is really kind of I think speaks
[01:30:51.200 --> 01:30:54.700]  to the to the psychological aspect and potential of
[01:30:54.700 --> 01:30:57.200]  artificial intelligence and that could be weaponized right
[01:30:57.200 --> 01:31:00.700]  now. It's just kind of happening out of their business model,
[01:31:00.700 --> 01:31:03.900]  right? But that could definitely be weaponized against people.
[01:31:04.300 --> 01:31:06.700]  Well, I talk about that in my book in the chapter on the
[01:31:06.700 --> 01:31:10.100]  internet. There are famous examples of people who have
[01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:17.500]  suicided right on the internet live feed and they've been
[01:31:17.500 --> 01:31:22.500]  manipulated to doing that by other people who've encouraged
[01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:24.800]  them said this would be a sign of strength.
[01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.900]  This would be a sign of that.
[01:31:27.900 --> 01:31:31.600]  You're not afraid to die if necessary and there's cases
[01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.700]  of us that actually led to the suicide.
[01:31:34.700 --> 01:31:36.400]  One of them is most grisly.
[01:31:36.400 --> 01:31:40.300]  I have in my book about a person who was talked into pouring
[01:31:40.300 --> 01:31:44.800]  gasoline over themselves and setting a match all on open
[01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:49.400]  feed internet and while this fire is burning you can hear
[01:31:49.400 --> 01:31:52.100]  everybody in the backgrounds cheering.
[01:31:52.400 --> 01:31:53.100]  We did it.
[01:31:53.100 --> 01:31:53.700]  We did it.
[01:31:53.700 --> 01:31:55.000]  We got him to do it.
[01:31:55.100 --> 01:31:55.600]  Wow.
[01:31:56.200 --> 01:31:56.900]  That's amazing.
[01:31:58.100 --> 01:31:58.700]  That's amazing.
[01:31:58.700 --> 01:32:03.700]  There's something about the internet and about that actually
[01:32:03.700 --> 01:32:08.800]  brings out sadistic criminal psychopathic trends and we
[01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:12.900]  don't know why is the fact that you don't necessarily can't
[01:32:12.900 --> 01:32:14.000]  be identified.
[01:32:14.500 --> 01:32:16.800]  It's something that is going to be influencing and has
[01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:20.500]  influenced the internet greatly and it will continue to do
[01:32:20.500 --> 01:32:22.700]  so until we understand it.
[01:32:23.700 --> 01:32:25.900]  I think that's one of the things that's so dangerous about
[01:32:25.900 --> 01:32:28.300]  the things that we saw with lockdown and other aspects of
[01:32:28.300 --> 01:32:28.700]  it there.
[01:32:28.900 --> 01:32:32.800]  There's an atomization here and so many different ways the
[01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:37.400]  government and tech and tech companies are trying to make
[01:32:37.400 --> 01:32:40.600]  sure that we don't we're not in person with each other,
[01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.300]  you know many cases like for example in this interview.
[01:32:43.700 --> 01:32:46.200]  We couldn't do this interview if we both had if one of both
[01:32:46.200 --> 01:32:49.400]  of us had to travel we're able to do this because we can do
[01:32:49.400 --> 01:32:55.000]  it over zoom or whatever but just taking ordinary things
[01:32:55.200 --> 01:32:58.500]  that you would normally do in terms of interacting with
[01:32:58.500 --> 01:33:02.000]  people and school or in church or in your community or
[01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.000]  whatever taking that away and putting a screen between the
[01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:05.300]  two of you.
[01:33:05.300 --> 01:33:07.500]  It really does change the way people interact with each
[01:33:07.500 --> 01:33:07.700]  other.
[01:33:07.900 --> 01:33:11.700]  I remember Errol Morris the film director was able to get people
[01:33:11.700 --> 01:33:13.600]  to say all kinds of things to him.
[01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:15.100]  He got a murderer to confess.
[01:33:15.100 --> 01:33:20.700]  He got he got Robert McNamara to confess about the false
[01:33:20.700 --> 01:33:21.900]  flag of the Vietnam War.
[01:33:21.900 --> 01:33:24.600]  He got people say all kinds of stuff because there was that
[01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:26.000]  distance between him and them.
[01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:28.100]  He could have interviewed them in person.
[01:33:28.200 --> 01:33:31.400]  But what he did was he put an interrotron which he is what
[01:33:31.400 --> 01:33:31.900]  he called it.
[01:33:31.900 --> 01:33:35.300]  It was basically a teleprompter that he had set up so
[01:33:35.300 --> 01:33:37.300]  he could do two-way communication at the time and
[01:33:37.300 --> 01:33:41.900]  once he had that distance there then it completely changed the
[01:33:41.900 --> 01:33:45.800]  dynamics that he would have versus with somebody person to
[01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:47.300]  person and that's what we're talking about here.
[01:33:47.300 --> 01:33:47.700]  Isn't it?
[01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:49.900]  Yeah, we're talking about that.
[01:33:49.900 --> 01:33:50.200]  Of course.
[01:33:50.200 --> 01:33:54.300]  There's two gradations of this and it continues like we're
[01:33:54.300 --> 01:33:55.500]  you're interviewing me.
[01:33:55.500 --> 01:33:56.300]  We're discussing.
[01:33:56.300 --> 01:34:00.400]  I feel like it's a discussion if I were to say something that
[01:34:00.400 --> 01:34:03.100]  later I regretted I could probably say oh well that wasn't
[01:34:03.100 --> 01:34:03.300]  me.
[01:34:03.300 --> 01:34:08.200]  That was my avatar or my agent, right?
[01:34:08.700 --> 01:34:11.000]  I got an AI agent that's out there doing stuff.
[01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.000]  Autonomous assist.
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:14.400]  That's right.
[01:34:14.400 --> 01:34:15.100]  It's crazy.
[01:34:15.100 --> 01:34:19.500]  We also see though as a doctor you're seeing people have
[01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:22.700]  noticed actual physical changes that can be observed in
[01:34:22.700 --> 01:34:25.300]  people's brains from I'm thinking of the story about the
[01:34:25.300 --> 01:34:29.200]  London taxi drivers who would do the knowledge and they would
[01:34:29.200 --> 01:34:33.100]  find that after they memorized all these factual details and
[01:34:33.100 --> 01:34:37.900]  drew on that all the time in order to take people to you
[01:34:37.900 --> 01:34:41.400]  know, this very complicated city was complicated streets that
[01:34:41.400 --> 01:34:43.700]  they had a particular part of the brain that was larger than
[01:34:44.500 --> 01:34:48.500]  the typical person and then they found that once they stopped
[01:34:48.500 --> 01:34:50.400]  doing that it started to shrink again and we're starting to
[01:34:50.400 --> 01:34:54.000]  see that happening with people in a lot of different areas of
[01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:57.700]  their life that kind of atrophy and it's physically observable.
[01:34:57.700 --> 01:34:58.100]  Isn't it?
[01:34:59.100 --> 01:35:03.000]  Well, it is you have to learn you have to use the things that
[01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.200]  you have learned to do like I mentioned in my memory book.
[01:35:06.200 --> 01:35:09.300]  There's all kinds of memory exercises that you could do.
[01:35:09.300 --> 01:35:13.200]  I do them every day and they're very easy and they keep help
[01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:17.000]  you to continue with your with your memory every to keep it
[01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:17.500]  sharp.
[01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:18.800]  Give us some examples.
[01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:21.000]  I'm sure everybody would love to know that would all like to
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:21.800]  have a better memory.
[01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:24.900]  What kind of what kind of things do we can we do to exercise
[01:35:24.900 --> 01:35:28.900]  think about the fact that you never had to learn pictures when
[01:35:28.900 --> 01:35:33.600]  you were an infant the young child a picture was something
[01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.400]  that you could you know may not know what you're looking at
[01:35:36.400 --> 01:35:39.900]  but you could see it without an intermediary press language
[01:35:39.900 --> 01:35:43.000]  is something that you have to hear from other people.
[01:35:43.300 --> 01:35:46.200]  It's something that's sort of added on to the brain.
[01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:52.000]  Okay, so as a result the most best way of remembering
[01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:57.100]  something is to make a image for it.
[01:35:57.400 --> 01:36:01.800]  Okay, for instance, I have a little doll called a skipper
[01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:05.500]  key skipper key is a Belgian dog.
[01:36:05.500 --> 01:36:08.700]  He's a nice little fellow and but it was embarrassing to me
[01:36:08.700 --> 01:36:11.300]  when walking the street people say what kind of a dog is that
[01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:15.800]  and I couldn't come up with a name because it was so complicated
[01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:17.100]  and I thought that's skipper key.
[01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:19.400]  I didn't speak any Dutch or anything.
[01:36:19.700 --> 01:36:24.000]  So then I got this image of a small boat with a large captain
[01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.100]  with a beard holding a big key.
[01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:31.100]  So it was skipper key and I remember forever.
[01:36:31.100 --> 01:36:33.500]  So I was going to have the picture once I have the picture
[01:36:33.700 --> 01:36:38.200]  is easy to do another way easy way to do it and you can do
[01:36:38.200 --> 01:36:40.100]  that with all kinds of times all the time.
[01:36:40.400 --> 01:36:44.100]  I was going upstairs before I came down to the office
[01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:48.500]  and I wanted to get my wallet and I wanted to get my cell
[01:36:48.500 --> 01:36:48.900]  phone.
[01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:53.600]  So I just had an image of a wallet in the form of a cell
[01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:57.400]  phone and I was walking up the stairs talking into the wallet
[01:36:57.400 --> 01:36:58.200]  cell phone.
[01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:01.800]  So I got up and I knew why these two elements to get be very
[01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:05.000]  easy to get one and forget the other so that you have these
[01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.800]  images all the time and the quickest, you know, this is sort
[01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:10.200]  of off the topic of the book.
[01:37:10.200 --> 01:37:18.600]  But if you want to have a firepower memory for a load of
[01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:23.100]  things that's up to 10 things and get 10 areas that you are
[01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:27.900]  familiar with that you see every day and then you could put
[01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  on those images the thing you're trying to remember.
[01:37:32.700 --> 01:37:41.100]  So if I'm trying to remember a loaf of bread milk, maybe a
[01:37:41.100 --> 01:37:41.900]  batteries.
[01:37:42.300 --> 01:37:44.100]  I have a regular way of doing that.
[01:37:44.100 --> 01:37:49.000]  I have like I remember my the library that's near my home the
[01:37:49.700 --> 01:37:53.800]  coffee shop liquor store Georgetown University Medical
[01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:59.200]  School where I went Georgetown University Cafe Milano, which
[01:37:59.200 --> 01:38:04.200]  is a place in Washington everybody gathers and then Key
[01:38:04.200 --> 01:38:09.200]  Bridge, Iwo Jima Memorial and Reagan Airport.
[01:38:09.900 --> 01:38:12.700]  So that bread would be for instance the loaf of bread.
[01:38:12.700 --> 01:38:15.000]  I would look in the window of the library instead of seeing
[01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:15.400]  books.
[01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.500]  I see bread loaves of bread and when I get down to the
[01:38:19.900 --> 01:38:23.300]  liquor store instead of it being filled with liquor that
[01:38:23.300 --> 01:38:24.300]  all be milk bottles.
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[01:39:26.200 --> 01:39:29.300]  So I have those 10 so I can get 10 items together without
[01:39:29.300 --> 01:39:31.600]  any any problems at all.
[01:39:32.100 --> 01:39:32.800]  That's great.
[01:39:32.900 --> 01:39:36.200]  Yeah, you know, it's interesting to talk about the the
[01:39:36.200 --> 01:39:37.800]  importance of a visualization.
[01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:41.200]  It's one of the things that I do in terms of preparing for
[01:39:41.200 --> 01:39:41.600]  the show.
[01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:44.800]  I have a lot of articles that I go through and it's
[01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.500]  really when I highlight things or when I write them down
[01:39:47.500 --> 01:39:48.600]  that's when I can remember them.
[01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:51.000]  If I don't do that if I were just to read these things
[01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:53.900]  I wouldn't remember them but if I interact with it and
[01:39:53.900 --> 01:39:56.100]  write it down that helps me to remember it.
[01:39:56.100 --> 01:39:58.600]  So that is a kind of visualization there I guess as
[01:39:58.600 --> 01:39:59.000]  well.
[01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:03.200]  It is it truly is interesting and what you said earlier
[01:40:03.200 --> 01:40:05.400]  about memory not being something that is stored in
[01:40:05.400 --> 01:40:08.000]  a place as somebody coming from a computer science
[01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:08.600]  background.
[01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:12.300]  That was a very different thing when you construct your
[01:40:12.700 --> 01:40:13.100]  memory.
[01:40:13.700 --> 01:40:15.200]  You know, how do you reconstruct that?
[01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:19.100]  I mean that that that as opens up a whole new area of
[01:40:19.100 --> 01:40:20.100]  questions as well.
[01:40:20.200 --> 01:40:23.100]  In other words, if every time somebody brings up a subject
[01:40:23.100 --> 01:40:26.200]  I mean there there isn't something that's stored
[01:40:26.200 --> 01:40:28.900]  initially to reference that and then rebuild from that.
[01:40:30.300 --> 01:40:32.300]  There's that because there's the inner there's the
[01:40:32.300 --> 01:40:35.100]  interconnections like, you know, somebody listening to
[01:40:35.100 --> 01:40:38.100]  us might say well gee this is called the 21st century
[01:40:38.100 --> 01:40:40.000]  brain, but I haven't heard that much about the brain.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:42.400]  Well, let me just link that up so that these things
[01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:43.200]  make sense.
[01:40:44.300 --> 01:40:47.400]  We have a new version or I should say a new understanding
[01:40:47.400 --> 01:40:50.800]  of the brain called the connectomic brain in which
[01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:54.700]  there's all kinds of interactions in the brain of
[01:40:54.700 --> 01:40:57.800]  parts of the brain which you don't we're just learning
[01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:58.300]  about.
[01:40:58.900 --> 01:41:02.000]  I have the I use the metaphor of a bowl of spaghetti.
[01:41:02.500 --> 01:41:06.100]  You pull out one of the strains of spaghetti and you
[01:41:06.100 --> 01:41:08.700]  never have any idea what it's connected to how many
[01:41:08.700 --> 01:41:10.600]  other strains of spaghetti.
[01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:14.300]  This is connected to so that's you think of the brain
[01:41:14.300 --> 01:41:19.600]  as being kind of set to make connections.
[01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:21.900]  That's his natural processing.
[01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:24.400]  So it gets back to these things that we were talking
[01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:27.900]  about earlier, you know global warming and memory
[01:41:27.900 --> 01:41:29.900]  and surveillance and all that.
[01:41:30.200 --> 01:41:31.800]  How are we going to solve all those?
[01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:36.400]  Well somehow or other those things are connected with
[01:41:36.400 --> 01:41:37.100]  each other.
[01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:41.000]  That's the take home message to this book and the
[01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:45.800]  basic goal is to try to figure out what it is that
[01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.200]  connects these things.
[01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:53.000]  What it is that would allow us to to by solving one
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:57.800]  of them solve the other and I mentioned at the end
[01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:01.100]  of the book experts so far haven't done it.
[01:42:01.700 --> 01:42:06.400]  So it's useful as Hayek said to get ordinary people
[01:42:06.700 --> 01:42:09.900]  to give when I say ordinary, I mean non-specialized
[01:42:09.900 --> 01:42:12.400]  people to give their ideas to you.
[01:42:12.400 --> 01:42:14.400]  I wonder what such-and-such would happen.
[01:42:15.400 --> 01:42:17.100]  What would happen about global warming for a while?
[01:42:17.100 --> 01:42:20.000]  There was in fact, there's still experiments going
[01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:24.700]  on on the effect of sulfur that would help the the
[01:42:24.700 --> 01:42:29.600]  co2 problem and you don't shooting sulfur up into
[01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.400]  the into the atmosphere.
[01:42:31.400 --> 01:42:33.400]  Of course, the reason the reason for that was the
[01:42:34.100 --> 01:42:39.400]  volcano 1980 something in which after that volcano
[01:42:39.500 --> 01:42:43.900]  in Hawaii, it was noted that the air was clearer and
[01:42:43.900 --> 01:42:45.500]  it was less pollution.
[01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:48.300]  So that's something to think about is there some
[01:42:48.300 --> 01:42:52.600]  way of using that particular sulfur experiment to
[01:42:52.900 --> 01:42:57.600]  decrease global warming war for instance, we don't
[01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.200]  think of war as a cause of global warming, but it
[01:43:00.200 --> 01:43:00.700]  is.
[01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:01.400]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:01.400 --> 01:43:02.200]  CO2.
[01:43:02.400 --> 01:43:03.600]  Thermal clear warning.
[01:43:03.900 --> 01:43:08.500]  Yeah, it's been put up since the the Ukraine war
[01:43:08.500 --> 01:43:12.800]  and the and the Gaza war then, you know, tremendous
[01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:16.100]  amount that's going to overcome and exceed the
[01:43:16.100 --> 01:43:18.800]  benefit of any of these things like, you know,
[01:43:19.900 --> 01:43:24.000]  non-gasoline engines, but yeah, using things like
[01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:24.400]  that.
[01:43:24.400 --> 01:43:25.000]  Absolutely.
[01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.200]  Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, shooting up
[01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:29.500]  rockets in order to put satellites up, you know,
[01:43:29.700 --> 01:43:34.400]  how many how many cars and lifetime use of cars from
[01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:36.700]  people would that be equivalent to and you start
[01:43:36.700 --> 01:43:37.900]  talking about all the missiles that are being
[01:43:37.900 --> 01:43:40.600]  shot and then you get to the explosives as well.
[01:43:41.400 --> 01:43:45.400]  It is really interesting how they focus on their
[01:43:45.400 --> 01:43:49.300]  objectives for their ways to control the manipulations
[01:43:49.300 --> 01:43:53.400]  been going on for quite some time and so yeah, that
[01:43:53.400 --> 01:43:57.400]  is it is pretty amazing and I guess that's my you
[01:43:57.400 --> 01:44:00.200]  know, my my when you look at this stuff, it really
[01:44:00.200 --> 01:44:02.100]  does look like science fiction and I'm almost
[01:44:02.100 --> 01:44:04.700]  inclined to write it off when I first see it when
[01:44:04.700 --> 01:44:06.800]  DARPA is saying well, we need to find some way that
[01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:11.000]  we can, you know, erase memories and people and
[01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:12.400]  insert new memories into them.
[01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:14.300]  I'm going back to total recall, right?
[01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:18.100]  This is so it sounds like something from Philip K
[01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:20.900]  Dick novel, but they're really working on that and
[01:44:20.900 --> 01:44:22.800]  I guess one of the most striking things we saw we
[01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:26.700]  report on a couple of weeks ago and it was a company
[01:44:26.700 --> 01:44:29.500]  that was bragging about how they could read your
[01:44:29.500 --> 01:44:33.200]  mind more accurately and quickly than their
[01:44:33.200 --> 01:44:34.900]  competitors because there's a lot of different
[01:44:34.900 --> 01:44:37.800]  companies that are doing this and how they could
[01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:41.600]  it's called Brain IT was the name of the company
[01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:46.600]  and so they had a way that they would do MRI and
[01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:51.500]  they could essentially train it on your brain and
[01:44:51.500 --> 01:44:53.000]  a much shorter period of time the other people and
[01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.000]  they could get much better results on our producers
[01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:57.400]  just pull this up so what they do is they show you
[01:44:57.400 --> 01:45:00.500]  an image and you're looking at that image and then
[01:45:00.500 --> 01:45:02.500]  it's reading your mind and reconstructing what you're
[01:45:02.500 --> 01:45:05.700]  looking at which I thought was absolutely amazing
[01:45:05.700 --> 01:45:07.400]  and terrifying at the same time.
[01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:09.400]  How is this going to be used?
[01:45:09.400 --> 01:45:12.100]  I guess that's the real issue when we start talking
[01:45:12.100 --> 01:45:13.300]  about all these different things.
[01:45:13.300 --> 01:45:17.000]  I think that is the real case that it's difficult
[01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:19.400]  for people to understand just how far and how
[01:45:19.400 --> 01:45:22.500]  quickly the technology has progressed and then to
[01:45:22.600 --> 01:45:26.100]  say and how do we control this from it being used
[01:45:26.100 --> 01:45:27.600]  for for bad purposes?
[01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:32.400]  Well, that's specifically 21st century problem.
[01:45:32.400 --> 01:45:34.800]  Yes, because all of these things are either
[01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:38.200]  originated in the 21st century where they have in
[01:45:38.200 --> 01:45:42.200]  fact further developed and become increasingly
[01:45:42.200 --> 01:45:46.300]  threatening and bear in mind we have to have to solve
[01:45:46.300 --> 01:45:48.600]  these problems because they're not something that's
[01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:50.900]  going to go away and then the most important thing
[01:45:50.900 --> 01:45:55.000]  to remember David is that all of these things harm
[01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:58.800]  the brain and the brain is the thinking processor.
[01:45:59.400 --> 01:46:00.800]  It's going to save us.
[01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.500]  It's going to figure out what the problems what the
[01:46:03.500 --> 01:46:06.700]  solutions to the problems are so we know now that
[01:46:06.700 --> 01:46:10.700]  wildfire smoke for instance, it creates dementia.
[01:46:11.200 --> 01:46:14.400]  It enhances the likelihood of somebody coming to
[01:46:14.400 --> 01:46:18.600]  manage so as the brain is affected negatively
[01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:21.900]  increasingly over longer and longer periods of time
[01:46:22.100 --> 01:46:24.800]  our ability to solve these problems is going to
[01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:25.700]  decrease.
[01:46:25.900 --> 01:46:27.300]  So we've got to do it now.
[01:46:27.400 --> 01:46:30.300]  We've got to get serious about it and this business
[01:46:30.300 --> 01:46:33.900]  of people getting up saying the global warming is
[01:46:33.900 --> 01:46:38.100]  fiction and all that is really very very disturbing.
[01:46:39.300 --> 01:46:41.500]  Yeah, well, you know the example that you gave earlier
[01:46:41.500 --> 01:46:45.000]  of the fact that the Indian government was manipulating
[01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:47.900]  the temperature at some of the stations there that
[01:46:47.900 --> 01:46:50.900]  kind of works both ways they have put some of these
[01:46:50.900 --> 01:46:53.900]  temperature stations on the airport tarmacs and in
[01:46:53.900 --> 01:46:57.200]  the UK they have a lot of the temperature stations
[01:46:57.200 --> 01:46:58.000]  that they've got there.
[01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.600]  They're just extrapolating the data.
[01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:02.000]  They don't have real temperature measurement stations
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:02.200]  there.
[01:47:02.200 --> 01:47:04.200]  So it all really gets back.
[01:47:04.200 --> 01:47:07.300]  I think to the scientific method and that's really
[01:47:07.300 --> 01:47:09.400]  where we have to hold people's feet to the fire.
[01:47:09.500 --> 01:47:10.700]  We're talking about something like that.
[01:47:10.700 --> 01:47:14.300]  We can have an absolute standard of what truth is and
[01:47:14.300 --> 01:47:17.100]  that truth is going to be being able to measure
[01:47:17.100 --> 01:47:20.400]  something accurately and being able to reproduce that
[01:47:20.700 --> 01:47:23.600]  and then I think a good yardstick for that is when
[01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:25.300]  somebody is trying to hide their data.
[01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  That's that's the clue right there that they're not doing
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.300]  science because if they're doing science and they're
[01:47:32.400 --> 01:47:33.600]  they've come to the right conclusion.
[01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:35.400]  They don't have a problem with somebody looking at their
[01:47:35.400 --> 01:47:35.800]  data.
[01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:39.900]  And so I've got a question here for you from person
[01:47:39.900 --> 01:47:43.700]  in the audience asking if you know about doctors James
[01:47:43.700 --> 01:47:46.700]  Giordano and Charles Morgan and their work with military.
[01:47:46.700 --> 01:47:48.600]  I'm not familiar with those names.
[01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:50.200]  I don't know if you know anything about that or not.
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:52.700]  Giordano says familiar.
[01:47:52.700 --> 01:47:56.400]  What what particular thing are they asking about them?
[01:47:56.400 --> 01:47:56.700]  I don't know.
[01:47:56.700 --> 01:47:58.100]  It just says their work with military.
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[01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:05.500]  I'm not sure I could say Giordano did this or did that
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[01:49:07.300 --> 01:49:10.100]  Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the things that we have
[01:49:10.100 --> 01:49:11.500]  been anxious about.
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:14.800]  And of course as Christians we have one answer to it,
[01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.600]  but you talk about how this is something that has been
[01:49:18.100 --> 01:49:20.400]  around pretty much all of our life.
[01:49:20.400 --> 01:49:24.100]  I mean there was I grew up with anxiety about nuclear war
[01:49:24.100 --> 01:49:27.900]  for example, that was in everybody's television and that
[01:49:27.900 --> 01:49:31.800]  was a forefront of our mind, especially growing up in
[01:49:32.200 --> 01:49:34.500]  in Florida when the Cuban Missile Crisis was happening.
[01:49:34.500 --> 01:49:36.800]  They got us really afraid of that when I was in elementary
[01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:38.800]  school, you know, it's like there's not gonna be enough
[01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:39.700]  time for you to get home.
[01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.500]  The nuclear bomb started falling and so I mean, there's
[01:49:43.500 --> 01:49:45.800]  all these different ways that you can panic people.
[01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:50.200]  I guess part of it is how do we identify the real problems
[01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:54.800]  and how do we deal with those problems because there's
[01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:58.400]  always things that are competing for our tension and
[01:49:58.400 --> 01:50:02.100]  our anxiety many of which are not real and usually the
[01:50:02.100 --> 01:50:04.500]  things that you're really the most concerned about don't
[01:50:04.500 --> 01:50:07.700]  happen and it may be sometimes because you have taken a
[01:50:07.700 --> 01:50:08.800]  precaution about it.
[01:50:09.400 --> 01:50:11.700]  What would you say about that about anxiety?
[01:50:16.700 --> 01:50:18.500]  You're starting to break up a little bit.
[01:50:18.500 --> 01:50:19.600]  Can you hear me clearly?
[01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:20.100]  I hear you.
[01:50:20.100 --> 01:50:20.500]  Yes.
[01:50:20.500 --> 01:50:20.700]  Yes.
[01:50:20.700 --> 01:50:21.300]  Sorry about that.
[01:50:21.300 --> 01:50:23.600]  You're talking about breaking up a little bit.
[01:50:24.100 --> 01:50:27.600]  You're talking about traumatizing a population, you
[01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:30.200]  know, what do I do to guard against that type of thing?
[01:50:30.200 --> 01:50:33.100]  And of course that's going to really escalate with the
[01:50:33.100 --> 01:50:36.700]  ability of AI to create a narrative.
[01:50:38.700 --> 01:50:39.700]  Yeah.
[01:50:39.700 --> 01:50:43.700]  Well, let's talk about it as an avenue to get into that.
[01:50:43.700 --> 01:50:46.400]  Let's go back to what you brought about the atomic
[01:50:46.400 --> 01:50:50.000]  weapons and the atomic war and the fears of the people
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:52.300]  that there's going to be another atomic war.
[01:50:52.300 --> 01:50:55.500]  I mean, you know, this is not unrealistic.
[01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:58.400]  There's even been a movie that's just come out that's
[01:50:58.400 --> 01:51:01.100]  getting all kinds of attention, as you know, and it
[01:51:01.100 --> 01:51:04.500]  has to do with the threat of a nuclear war.
[01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:09.500]  If you look at what's happening in the Europe right
[01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:12.100]  now, there's all kinds of suggestions that it could
[01:51:12.100 --> 01:51:13.400]  lead to a nuclear war.
[01:51:13.400 --> 01:51:16.700]  I mean, Ukraine now has announced that they're under
[01:51:16.700 --> 01:51:18.800]  no conditions willing to give up any land.
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:23.900]  And Stalin is, I mean, Putin is thinking what he can
[01:51:23.900 --> 01:51:25.100]  do to change that.
[01:51:25.100 --> 01:51:27.200]  Maybe he'll attack another country.
[01:51:27.200 --> 01:51:29.600]  I mean, this is scary stuff.
[01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:33.100]  So what's happening in response to the government is
[01:51:33.500 --> 01:51:36.800]  to try to show that, oh, we shouldn't worry about it.
[01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:38.600]  We have things under control, but I don't think
[01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:39.900]  things are under control.
[01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:45.100]  And we've talked about the problems and we talked
[01:51:45.100 --> 01:51:45.800]  about problems.
[01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:50.700]  You have your final chapter is new ways of thinking.
[01:51:50.700 --> 01:51:53.600]  And I'd like to talk about that.
[01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.200]  One of the things that you say is Occam was wrong.
[01:51:56.200 --> 01:51:59.500]  Occam's razor that people are familiar with.
[01:51:59.500 --> 01:52:00.500]  Tell us a little bit about that.
[01:52:00.500 --> 01:52:01.400]  Why is Occam wrong?
[01:52:03.200 --> 01:52:06.200]  Well, because he says that, you know, the entities
[01:52:06.200 --> 01:52:08.600]  are not to be multiplied, meaning that we can always
[01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:11.800]  explain things best by limiting ourselves to the
[01:52:11.800 --> 01:52:13.800]  minimum amount of factors.
[01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.300]  Ideally one, one cause of every fact.
[01:52:17.300 --> 01:52:18.100]  That's not true.
[01:52:18.100 --> 01:52:20.500]  It's certainly not true in the 21st century, where
[01:52:20.500 --> 01:52:24.200]  there's all kinds of interactions between factors
[01:52:24.200 --> 01:52:25.600]  and causes.
[01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.300]  So that Occam was wrong in that basis.
[01:52:28.300 --> 01:52:31.900]  We have to think of an interconnecting pool just as
[01:52:31.900 --> 01:52:34.300]  in the brain of interconnections of neurons,
[01:52:34.300 --> 01:52:35.900]  interconnections of these problems.
[01:52:35.900 --> 01:52:37.600]  And they're all related.
[01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:38.200]  They're all related.
[01:52:38.200 --> 01:52:39.100]  All eight of them.
[01:52:39.100 --> 01:52:40.700]  I talk about in my book.
[01:52:40.700 --> 01:52:41.600]  They're all related.
[01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.400]  And if you can figure a way of influencing one, you
[01:52:44.400 --> 01:52:47.500]  influence all the others.
[01:52:47.500 --> 01:52:49.400]  I mean, who would think there'd be a connection
[01:52:49.400 --> 01:52:52.700]  between global warming and the amount of partisan
[01:52:52.700 --> 01:52:56.700]  and cheese, for instance, high end cheese?
[01:52:56.700 --> 01:52:59.600]  Well, there is because they don't chickens don't
[01:52:59.700 --> 01:53:02.400]  lay the many eggs and it'd be all the various other
[01:53:02.400 --> 01:53:06.600]  things to come on in terms of making cheese.
[01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:08.300]  I learned that the other day.
[01:53:08.300 --> 01:53:11.100]  That was something that was a surprise to me.
[01:53:11.100 --> 01:53:12.300]  You know, it's kind of interesting when we talk
[01:53:12.300 --> 01:53:13.700]  about connections so much.
[01:53:13.700 --> 01:53:16.900]  There was a series that was on PBS.
[01:53:16.900 --> 01:53:18.200]  I think the guy's name was Burke.
[01:53:18.200 --> 01:53:19.300]  I can't remember his first name.
[01:53:19.300 --> 01:53:21.700]  I'm not sure about the last name, but he had a series
[01:53:21.700 --> 01:53:25.300]  called connections and I thought it was fascinating
[01:53:25.300 --> 01:53:28.100]  because what he would do is he would take a whole
[01:53:28.100 --> 01:53:31.600]  series of connections to show how a particular
[01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:32.900]  technology had evolved.
[01:53:32.900 --> 01:53:35.600]  You know, so he might go from, you know, the quill
[01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.000]  to the to the jet engine or something like that.
[01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:43.100]  And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things
[01:53:43.100 --> 01:53:45.100]  is very much like what you're talking about.
[01:53:48.400 --> 01:53:49.000]  It really is.
[01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:51.600]  And I did I did consult his work actually did you
[01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:55.400]  not write this book because he did that connections.
[01:53:55.400 --> 01:53:57.600]  He did a book called the day the world changed and
[01:53:57.600 --> 01:53:58.300]  all this.
[01:53:58.300 --> 01:54:01.200]  He also did a book called circles in which he would
[01:54:01.200 --> 01:54:04.300]  start with one particular event that it had carried
[01:54:04.300 --> 01:54:05.200]  in history.
[01:54:05.200 --> 01:54:08.200]  And if you go around the circle, you come back to
[01:54:08.200 --> 01:54:10.900]  the beginning where it started where you need this
[01:54:10.900 --> 01:54:12.600]  particular inventor invented something.
[01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:13.900]  What led up to it?
[01:54:13.900 --> 01:54:15.800]  What was the circle leading to that?
[01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:18.700]  So yes, we're talking about connections and we're
[01:54:18.700 --> 01:54:22.200]  talking about the inability to understand things
[01:54:22.200 --> 01:54:25.700]  without reference to supporting and accessory
[01:54:25.700 --> 01:54:26.300]  factors.
[01:54:26.300 --> 01:54:29.600]  We have that going on all the time denying things
[01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:31.000]  that are going to be happening.
[01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:33.700]  Of course, I think the fearful thing is that the
[01:54:33.700 --> 01:54:38.100]  government is aiding in this denial because if you
[01:54:38.100 --> 01:54:40.700]  would deny that there's a problem and there's very
[01:54:40.700 --> 01:54:45.400]  little impetus to try to solve it, you know, yeah,
[01:54:45.400 --> 01:54:47.000]  and there ain't no problem.
[01:54:47.200 --> 01:54:48.500]  Don't try to solve it.
[01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:54.200]  They're throwing out their own chaos and uncertainty
[01:54:54.200 --> 01:54:55.900]  and anxiety that's out there all the time.
[01:54:55.900 --> 01:54:58.000]  All the always I guess.
[01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:01.600]  So the question is she talking about volatility
[01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:03.700]  uncertainty complexity and ambiguity.
[01:55:04.100 --> 01:55:05.800]  I mean it sounds like a government policy.
[01:55:06.400 --> 01:55:08.300]  I think they've got bureaucracies that specialize
[01:55:08.300 --> 01:55:08.700]  in that.
[01:55:10.400 --> 01:55:10.800]  Yeah.
[01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:12.700]  Yeah, well actually that's true.
[01:55:12.900 --> 01:55:15.300]  Yeah, that's in your section there about new ways
[01:55:15.300 --> 01:55:15.900]  of thinking.
[01:55:15.900 --> 01:55:18.500]  And so how do we incorporate that in the new ways
[01:55:18.500 --> 01:55:21.200]  of thinking that help us to solve this riddle?
[01:55:21.200 --> 01:55:28.000]  Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps
[01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:31.600]  you to understand things and to have more control.
[01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:34.000]  It doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to link
[01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:34.600]  them together.
[01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:38.400]  That has to be done by original thinking by you
[01:55:38.400 --> 01:55:39.800]  have to be known under those things.
[01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.000]  You things are volatile.
[01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:45.500]  You don't have a basic situation that doesn't change.
[01:55:45.500 --> 01:55:46.800]  It changes all the time.
[01:55:47.300 --> 01:55:49.300]  So that the other the other thing that I want to
[01:55:49.300 --> 01:55:53.700]  emphasize most is that is the role of capitalism
[01:55:53.700 --> 01:55:54.500]  in all of this.
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:58.000]  I mean, there's all this like the private equity
[01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:02.400]  the the business of people having a point of view
[01:56:02.700 --> 01:56:07.000]  that is going to advance them financially and that
[01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:11.200]  blinding them to the problems that are here like
[01:56:11.200 --> 01:56:13.100]  for instance, we talked about global warming.
[01:56:13.400 --> 01:56:16.400]  Well, the rich people are very rich people are buying
[01:56:16.400 --> 01:56:20.200]  multi-million dollar apartments and condominiums
[01:56:20.400 --> 01:56:23.700]  which have special air filters which will keep the
[01:56:23.700 --> 01:56:28.400]  wildfire smoke out and we'll try to keep the global
[01:56:28.400 --> 01:56:35.900]  warming effect at bay by superpower hair conditioners.
[01:56:36.200 --> 01:56:39.400]  So the building is building their own bunkers to
[01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:45.500]  creating all kinds of chaos and and you know weapons
[01:56:45.500 --> 01:56:46.600]  of war mass destruction.
[01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:49.400]  They're out there building super bunkers in various
[01:56:49.400 --> 01:56:50.200]  places as well.
[01:56:50.200 --> 01:56:52.700]  So I think they're somewhat pessimistic about what
[01:56:52.700 --> 01:56:53.300]  they're doing.
[01:56:54.500 --> 01:56:56.700]  Well, it's basically the idea is that you know, we
[01:56:56.700 --> 01:56:58.700]  don't care about the ordinary person.
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:00.100]  We're going to survive.
[01:57:00.100 --> 01:57:02.000]  We're going to see to our own survival.
[01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:04.900]  And if we end in order to do that, we have to deny
[01:57:04.900 --> 01:57:07.900]  certain things that are that are going on will do so
[01:57:08.100 --> 01:57:11.500]  now incidentally all of this is not conscious thinking.
[01:57:11.900 --> 01:57:15.100]  They don't necessarily say well, I'm going to deny
[01:57:15.100 --> 01:57:17.300]  global warming because it'll be to my advantage
[01:57:17.300 --> 01:57:20.500]  financially because all my investment is in the coal
[01:57:20.500 --> 01:57:22.900]  go the oil and gas industry.
[01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:24.500]  They don't they don't do it that way.
[01:57:24.700 --> 01:57:28.500]  They come up with pseudo logic things that seem to
[01:57:28.500 --> 01:57:29.500]  make sense to them.
[01:57:29.500 --> 01:57:33.100]  But if they didn't have a financial thrust in the
[01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:36.300]  matter, they would look at upon it quite differently.
[01:57:36.400 --> 01:57:36.700]  That's right.
[01:57:36.700 --> 01:57:39.000]  We can always find a justification for what it was
[01:57:39.100 --> 01:57:40.500]  what it is that we really want.
[01:57:41.500 --> 01:57:43.300]  Everybody should understand that if you're a parent
[01:57:43.300 --> 01:57:45.300]  this time of year at Christmas time, you can
[01:57:45.300 --> 01:57:47.600]  always understand that people will come up with a
[01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:49.300]  justification for what they want.
[01:57:49.300 --> 01:57:52.300]  And that's that's as true of government as it is of
[01:57:52.300 --> 01:57:53.300]  corporations out there.
[01:57:53.300 --> 01:57:54.900]  And it's really dangerous when the two of them
[01:57:55.100 --> 01:57:56.100]  connect with each other.
[01:57:56.300 --> 01:57:58.200]  I think that's one of the things you talk about
[01:57:58.200 --> 01:58:00.800]  connections and the importance of it and how we
[01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.600]  can try to connect these different factors each of
[01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:04.300]  us individually.
[01:58:04.300 --> 01:58:07.100]  But I think it's the the human connection that is
[01:58:07.100 --> 01:58:09.900]  out there that is going to be essential for all of
[01:58:09.900 --> 01:58:13.100]  this. It's going to be our collective work on all
[01:58:13.100 --> 01:58:14.700]  this. What do you think about that?
[01:58:14.700 --> 01:58:15.700]  Would you agree with that?
[01:58:17.500 --> 01:58:18.400]  Well, I'd agree with it.
[01:58:18.400 --> 01:58:20.300]  But there's so many things that are taking place now
[01:58:20.300 --> 01:58:25.100]  that are causing the schisms and yes, splitting
[01:58:25.100 --> 01:58:29.300]  people into factors and belief systems and political
[01:58:29.300 --> 01:58:32.400]  points of view that are and that's very dangerous
[01:58:32.400 --> 01:58:34.300]  because then you can't get together any kind of
[01:58:34.300 --> 01:58:38.100]  community even in the face of a emergency.
[01:58:38.300 --> 01:58:40.400]  Well, I think we've always had I think we've always
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[01:59:41.600 --> 01:59:44.000]  Factor, you know factions and things like that.
[01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.800]  You know the founders of the country warned about
[01:59:45.900 --> 01:59:47.600]  factions and political parties, but I think what
[01:59:47.600 --> 01:59:50.800]  makes it unique is that when you're interacting
[01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:54.100]  with people on a personal basis you interact with
[01:59:54.100 --> 01:59:56.300]  them a little bit differently than if you've
[01:59:56.300 --> 01:59:59.300]  got that separation between you that technology is
[01:59:59.300 --> 02:00:01.800]  giving us now because now you're interacting with
[02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:03.700]  something that's abstract is not with another
[02:00:03.700 --> 02:00:06.500]  person and there's also the body language that
[02:00:06.500 --> 02:00:09.200]  you're not picking up on but it makes it easier
[02:00:09.200 --> 02:00:11.300]  for you to be harder on people when there's that
[02:00:11.300 --> 02:00:12.000]  distance there.
[02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:14.700]  I think that's why I think you know the personal
[02:00:14.700 --> 02:00:18.400]  connection I think is really vital to making these
[02:00:18.400 --> 02:00:20.800]  connections and coming up with a an understanding
[02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:21.400]  of what's going on.
[02:00:21.400 --> 02:00:23.200]  We talked about the hidden factors that are out
[02:00:23.200 --> 02:00:26.800]  there hidden unrelated topics other people as you
[02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:29.200]  pointed out earlier just talking to ordinary
[02:00:29.200 --> 02:00:31.700]  people about what it is that you see with different
[02:00:31.700 --> 02:00:32.100]  things.
[02:00:32.400 --> 02:00:35.300]  I think that is the genius of the collective free
[02:00:35.300 --> 02:00:39.800]  market out there that there's so many observers
[02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:42.300]  who are looking at things and thinking about them
[02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:45.400]  and it's kind of their collective decision that is
[02:00:45.400 --> 02:00:48.500]  kind of guiding things along as opposed to having
[02:00:48.500 --> 02:00:50.300]  a central planner who's doing that.
[02:00:50.900 --> 02:00:51.900]  What do you think about that?
[02:00:51.900 --> 02:00:54.700]  You've got to in your your final chapter a new way
[02:00:54.700 --> 02:00:57.300]  of thinking you have what you call a sensible
[02:00:57.300 --> 02:00:57.900]  solution.
[02:00:59.400 --> 02:01:00.800]  What does that really involve?
[02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:02.400]  I'm sorry.
[02:01:02.400 --> 02:01:06.100]  I knew what you said last part you have a sensible
[02:01:06.100 --> 02:01:06.600]  solution.
[02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:09.600]  What what do you think a sensible solution to the
[02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:14.000]  kind of stress and chaos and anxiety that we have
[02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:14.900]  manipulation that we have?
[02:01:14.900 --> 02:01:16.200]  What is the solution to that?
[02:01:16.900 --> 02:01:19.100]  Well, I think the Wikipedia is a good example of
[02:01:19.100 --> 02:01:19.600]  that.
[02:01:19.900 --> 02:01:23.200]  They have people from all walks of life all levels
[02:01:23.200 --> 02:01:28.100]  of education free to contribute to whatever topic
[02:01:28.300 --> 02:01:29.500]  they may want to do that.
[02:01:29.900 --> 02:01:31.000]  It may be helpful.
[02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.600]  I mentioned earlier about the effect of global
[02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:37.400]  warming on the making of cheese.
[02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:39.700]  There might be somebody who makes cheese that's
[02:01:39.700 --> 02:01:41.300]  going to come up with some idea.
[02:01:42.000 --> 02:01:43.900]  You know, we don't know that we don't know that
[02:01:43.900 --> 02:01:46.800]  that may not be where comes some original idea
[02:01:47.100 --> 02:01:49.900]  on what to do about global warming and you put it
[02:01:49.900 --> 02:01:51.900]  on what I'd like to think and I hope it will be
[02:01:51.900 --> 02:01:55.900]  developed a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary
[02:01:55.900 --> 02:01:59.700]  person can feel free to put forth their ideas about
[02:01:59.700 --> 02:01:59.800]  it.
[02:01:59.800 --> 02:02:02.600]  Now you say well, we already have that we have the
[02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:03.000]  internet.
[02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:03.600]  No, we don't.
[02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:06.400]  The internet is a commercial situation.
[02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:09.800]  It's all done for making money and grab attention
[02:02:09.800 --> 02:02:12.900]  and all that and there's no criticism on it.
[02:02:12.900 --> 02:02:15.400]  There's no peer review if you will press in the
[02:02:15.400 --> 02:02:16.300]  Wikipedia.
[02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:18.600]  I mean, you know people get right in and say well
[02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:21.800]  that particular contribution is bonkers and
[02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.200]  give an example why it is or that was a very good
[02:02:24.200 --> 02:02:27.700]  idea and after that you begin to get things coming
[02:02:27.700 --> 02:02:32.000]  together in unpredictable ways that may help us
[02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:33.500]  solve these eight problems.
[02:02:35.100 --> 02:02:36.700]  You know, the problem is it seems like whenever you
[02:02:36.700 --> 02:02:39.900]  wind up having a form or a place where things can
[02:02:39.900 --> 02:02:41.100]  be and that's true of the internet.
[02:02:41.100 --> 02:02:43.800]  It's also true of Wikipedia then it becomes you
[02:02:43.800 --> 02:02:47.900]  have gatekeepers who are there and we saw this in
[02:02:47.900 --> 02:02:51.100]  spades throughout the covid stuff that if somebody's
[02:02:51.200 --> 02:02:54.600]  got a different idea rather than debate them the
[02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:58.500]  impetus is to silence them by the people who are
[02:02:58.500 --> 02:03:02.300]  in authority and so that really I think is the key
[02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:06.400]  thing and I think as part of that we see a continuing
[02:03:06.400 --> 02:03:15.000]  rise in disgust and deprivation of free speech.
[02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:17.900]  People are not interested in the principle of free
[02:03:17.900 --> 02:03:18.300]  speech.
[02:03:18.300 --> 02:03:20.900]  They don't want to have open debate and I see this
[02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:22.800]  regardless of where people are coming from on the
[02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:23.800]  political spectrum.
[02:03:24.100 --> 02:03:29.700]  There is a declining interest in debate and thinking
[02:03:29.700 --> 02:03:31.900]  you know the debate is critical to critical
[02:03:31.900 --> 02:03:36.000]  thinking and so the people who are in charge the
[02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:38.100]  gatekeepers with their Wikipedia or the internet
[02:03:38.100 --> 02:03:41.800]  or you know any other form of information they are
[02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:45.200]  weighing in on that and they don't want things that
[02:03:45.200 --> 02:03:47.900]  they disagree with and it might be because they've
[02:03:47.900 --> 02:03:49.600]  got an agenda or it might be because they've just
[02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:52.600]  got a particular prejudice about something they
[02:03:52.600 --> 02:03:56.200]  want to make sure that the contrary views don't get
[02:03:56.200 --> 02:03:56.700]  out there.
[02:03:57.400 --> 02:04:00.400]  That that I think is the real key that's that's
[02:04:00.400 --> 02:04:03.800]  there and again, this is part of this atomization
[02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:07.000]  that we have of people feeding that tribalism in
[02:04:07.000 --> 02:04:09.300]  a way that we've never seen it before using
[02:04:09.300 --> 02:04:10.000]  technology.
[02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:12.200]  I would agree with everything you've just said
[02:04:12.200 --> 02:04:16.100]  exactly and I think we have to try to get beyond
[02:04:16.100 --> 02:04:19.600]  that but there we get back again to this business
[02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:23.700]  of people having their own personal financial point
[02:04:23.700 --> 02:04:28.500]  of view and position and pushing that basically on
[02:04:28.500 --> 02:04:31.400]  the fact that they look upon it as so maybe we're
[02:04:31.400 --> 02:04:33.200]  talking about a capitalism problem.
[02:04:34.300 --> 02:04:35.400]  We've got capitalism.
[02:04:35.400 --> 02:04:37.100]  That's what this country is all about, but I mean
[02:04:37.100 --> 02:04:38.300]  it's certain parts of it.
[02:04:38.300 --> 02:04:40.400]  Now we've gotten to the point where people are
[02:04:40.400 --> 02:04:43.900]  unable to take another point of view if it's going
[02:04:43.900 --> 02:04:47.100]  to be financially harmful and hurtful to them.
[02:04:47.300 --> 02:04:51.500]  Yeah, I think that you know, we start looking at
[02:04:51.500 --> 02:04:52.400]  the tech companies.
[02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:54.900]  I don't think that their capitalism would exist.
[02:04:54.900 --> 02:04:56.300]  I don't think they'd have billions of dollars if
[02:04:56.300 --> 02:04:57.900]  they weren't unified with the government.
[02:04:57.900 --> 02:05:02.300]  So there's a there's a symbiosis there that the two
[02:05:02.300 --> 02:05:06.500]  of these entities feed off of each other and I think
[02:05:06.500 --> 02:05:09.900]  that that nexus right there is the is a difficult
[02:05:09.900 --> 02:05:13.200]  thing and and so I think you know when I think of
[02:05:13.200 --> 02:05:15.800]  capitalism, I don't like to refer to capitalism
[02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:18.900]  anymore because I I think of it as a partnership a
[02:05:19.200 --> 02:05:22.300]  public-private partnership some kind of a economic
[02:05:22.300 --> 02:05:25.100]  fascism where they are working together, but I like
[02:05:25.100 --> 02:05:27.200]  to think of a free competitive market where the
[02:05:27.200 --> 02:05:30.000]  government doesn't have any role except as some
[02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:32.600]  kind of a referee between two parties that have a
[02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:33.600]  conflict or something.
[02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:36.400]  But yeah, that's a that's the thing that's really
[02:05:36.400 --> 02:05:38.800]  driving this show many people when they talk about
[02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:40.200]  AI they said well, you know, here's a couple
[02:05:40.200 --> 02:05:41.100]  different outcomes.
[02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:43.700]  Maybe this stuff really works the way it's supposed
[02:05:43.700 --> 02:05:45.700]  to work and takes everybody's jobs and we wind
[02:05:45.700 --> 02:05:48.300]  up with a depression or maybe it doesn't work at
[02:05:48.300 --> 02:05:51.500]  all in which case the big AI stock bubble that
[02:05:51.500 --> 02:05:53.700]  we've got burst and everybody loses their job
[02:05:53.700 --> 02:05:55.400]  because of that as well.
[02:05:55.400 --> 02:05:57.700]  There's a third alternative and that is that the
[02:05:57.700 --> 02:06:00.600]  government keeps propping it up with public funds
[02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:05.400]  because it feeds their surveillance and manipulation
[02:06:06.100 --> 02:06:10.000]  needs their ability to surveil and to control us
[02:06:10.400 --> 02:06:12.600]  and I really think that that's where this is all
[02:06:12.600 --> 02:06:13.200]  going to head.
[02:06:13.200 --> 02:06:15.600]  I don't really you know, those other two things may
[02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:16.700]  happen and they may be true.
[02:06:16.700 --> 02:06:20.500]  But I think there is a customer out there for the
[02:06:20.500 --> 02:06:22.700]  AI stuff that is driving all this stuff that has
[02:06:22.700 --> 02:06:24.800]  been putting out these proposals for the longest
[02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:26.700]  time and that's governments governments around
[02:06:26.700 --> 02:06:27.200]  the world.
[02:06:27.400 --> 02:06:29.700]  I mean we look at the brain project that we had a
[02:06:29.700 --> 02:06:32.000]  few years ago that was during the Obama
[02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:34.900]  administration, but things like the brain computer
[02:06:34.900 --> 02:06:37.800]  interface that Elon Musk and many other tech
[02:06:37.800 --> 02:06:39.300]  companies are doing out there.
[02:06:40.200 --> 02:06:42.100]  There's Neuralink and there's a lot of them.
[02:06:42.100 --> 02:06:45.400]  They're doing that that's being driven by the
[02:06:45.400 --> 02:06:48.500]  government wanting to connect into our minds hack
[02:06:48.500 --> 02:06:50.900]  into our minds really and they've been funding that
[02:06:50.900 --> 02:06:51.500]  kind of idea.
[02:06:51.500 --> 02:06:53.400]  So how do we how do we break that?
[02:06:53.400 --> 02:06:57.200]  Yeah, on the Musk side, it's he's doing it for
[02:06:57.200 --> 02:06:57.600]  money.
[02:06:57.600 --> 02:06:58.900]  I mean obviously to make money.
[02:06:58.900 --> 02:06:59.500]  That's right.
[02:06:59.500 --> 02:07:02.300]  So that there's an unholy alliance if you will
[02:07:02.300 --> 02:07:05.000]  between someone who's can't see anything other than
[02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:07.700]  the dollar and another side of the government can't
[02:07:07.700 --> 02:07:10.000]  see anything other than increasing power and
[02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:12.000]  surveillance over the population.
[02:07:12.300 --> 02:07:13.200]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:07:13.300 --> 02:07:14.100]  Absolutely true.
[02:07:14.400 --> 02:07:15.800]  Well, it's a fascinating book.
[02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:19.300]  It's fascinating take on this and and of course
[02:07:19.300 --> 02:07:22.700]  you've written many books on the brain the memory
[02:07:22.700 --> 02:07:25.500]  one very interesting and and you do have sections
[02:07:25.500 --> 02:07:29.500]  about memory in this book as well and people be
[02:07:29.500 --> 02:07:31.600]  able to find this on Amazon, I guess is the best
[02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:34.500]  place that they can find it looking for the title
[02:07:34.500 --> 02:07:39.600]  of this and it is, you know, it is something that
[02:07:39.900 --> 02:07:41.800]  I think we all need to think about how we're going
[02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:46.400]  to operate the effects that this technology is having
[02:07:46.400 --> 02:07:48.400]  on our brains in the 21st century and that is the
[02:07:48.400 --> 02:07:52.700]  title of the book the 21st century brain by Richard
[02:07:52.700 --> 02:07:53.400]  Restac.
[02:07:53.400 --> 02:07:54.300]  Thank you very much.
[02:07:54.400 --> 02:07:54.700]  Dr.
[02:07:54.700 --> 02:07:55.200]  Restac.
[02:07:55.200 --> 02:07:55.700]  Thank you.
[02:07:56.300 --> 02:07:57.500]  Appreciate you coming on the day.
[02:07:57.500 --> 02:07:58.500]  I enjoyed it very much.
[02:07:58.600 --> 02:07:59.100]  Thank you.
[02:07:59.200 --> 02:08:00.400]  Yeah, very interesting conversation.
[02:08:00.400 --> 02:08:00.800]  Thank you.
[02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:01.900]  Have a good day folks.
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[02:10:30.900 --> 02:10:48.800]  That brings us to something that Lance found that
[02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:51.900]  I thought was very interesting and that is the
[02:10:52.200 --> 02:10:58.400]  brain the brain interface transference here that
[02:10:58.500 --> 02:11:01.500]  is company that is called hang on a second.
[02:11:01.500 --> 02:11:02.400]  I'll get it right here.
[02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:07.600]  The brain IT brain IT is their their thing and
[02:11:07.700 --> 02:11:09.500]  they're not the only company that's doing this.
[02:11:09.900 --> 02:11:11.500]  There's a lot of different companies that are doing
[02:11:11.500 --> 02:11:14.400]  this and let's show people what this really looks
[02:11:14.400 --> 02:11:17.400]  like scroll down and show zoom in on those pictures.
[02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:21.600]  Now there's pairs of pictures and you'll see an
[02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:24.300]  image that the person is looking like looking at
[02:11:24.400 --> 02:11:28.200]  says scene image right next to it is the
[02:11:28.200 --> 02:11:29.900]  reconstructed image and look at that.
[02:11:29.900 --> 02:11:32.700]  There's a giraffe and then right next to it is a
[02:11:32.700 --> 02:11:36.700]  giraffe but the giraffe is standing in exactly the
[02:11:36.700 --> 02:11:40.500]  same position and same way and looked at from the
[02:11:40.500 --> 02:11:43.300]  same angle looking kind of back over shoulder to
[02:11:43.300 --> 02:11:46.300]  be clear the scene image is what the human is
[02:11:46.300 --> 02:11:49.300]  looking at and then there is sensors connected to
[02:11:49.300 --> 02:11:52.100]  the brain that's creating the reconstructed image
[02:11:52.100 --> 02:11:55.700]  the computer hasn't seen this scene image only the
[02:11:55.700 --> 02:11:58.000]  human sees this and this is entirely constructed
[02:11:58.000 --> 02:11:58.900]  from a brain scan.
[02:11:59.100 --> 02:11:59.700]  That's right.
[02:12:00.100 --> 02:12:03.300]  So they can sense what you are looking at and
[02:12:03.300 --> 02:12:06.000]  completely reconstructed and look at how identical
[02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:07.700]  these images are now.
[02:12:08.300 --> 02:12:12.000]  You got a stop sign and it got stop sign as well
[02:12:12.000 --> 02:12:14.200]  as the word stop the only thing that's missing.
[02:12:14.200 --> 02:12:17.000]  There is the four-way thing underneath it.
[02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:20.200]  It didn't quite reconstruct that exactly and then
[02:12:20.200 --> 02:12:26.000]  when you look at the pieces of a pizza it is a
[02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:27.800]  little bit more orderly in the way that it put the
[02:12:27.800 --> 02:12:30.900]  pizza together that's there but even when it gets
[02:12:30.900 --> 02:12:34.600]  some of the details wrong it still has the basic
[02:12:34.600 --> 02:12:35.400]  orientation there.
[02:12:35.400 --> 02:12:38.200]  Scroll it up a little bit the snowboarder that is
[02:12:38.200 --> 02:12:38.500]  there.
[02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:40.200]  Take a look at the snowboarder.
[02:12:40.500 --> 02:12:43.600]  So here the basic orientation is right even
[02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:47.200]  though the snowboarder has one leg up the arms are
[02:12:47.200 --> 02:12:51.100]  still extended and still in basically the same
[02:12:51.100 --> 02:12:54.500]  orientation going down the snow with a shadow this
[02:12:54.500 --> 02:12:57.400]  main cast but it is truly amazing.
[02:12:57.400 --> 02:12:59.200]  Yeah good show the baseball one.
[02:12:59.200 --> 02:13:00.500]  That's another good one this there.
[02:13:01.300 --> 02:13:03.300]  So the baseball thing you got three different people
[02:13:03.700 --> 02:13:06.100]  and they're all basically in the same orientation
[02:13:06.100 --> 02:13:08.800]  the one again on the left is the actual picture that
[02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:11.500]  the human is looking at the one on the right is a
[02:13:11.500 --> 02:13:15.400]  reconstruction by scanning his by monitoring his
[02:13:15.400 --> 02:13:18.000]  brain and then the computer is reconstructing that
[02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:18.800]  one on the right.
[02:13:18.800 --> 02:13:21.700]  And so you've got a catcher who is squatting and
[02:13:21.700 --> 02:13:24.400]  got one arm extended out and that is captured again
[02:13:24.700 --> 02:13:28.200]  and then the umpire behind him who is in the same
[02:13:28.200 --> 02:13:31.000]  crouching position even though the colors change a
[02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:34.000]  little bit it still has that there and then moving
[02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:36.700]  up to the to the room the motel room look at that
[02:13:36.700 --> 02:13:41.500]  even has the same color bedspread there and the
[02:13:41.500 --> 02:13:42.200]  one above it.
[02:13:43.300 --> 02:13:46.700]  We have the motorcycle still in the exactly the
[02:13:46.700 --> 02:13:49.500]  same angle and it figured out there's a person or
[02:13:49.500 --> 02:13:52.000]  racing motorcycle even though it got the colors
[02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:53.500]  slightly different on that.
[02:13:53.800 --> 02:13:55.800]  It truly is amazing interesting to me because
[02:13:55.800 --> 02:13:58.600]  it's little details that it gets wrong that if you
[02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:01.400]  were to remember this image you would probably get
[02:14:01.400 --> 02:14:04.500]  a lot of these same details wrong like exactly the
[02:14:04.500 --> 02:14:06.000]  color scheme of their clothes.
[02:14:06.100 --> 02:14:08.400]  That's right still gets the general color scheme
[02:14:08.400 --> 02:14:09.500]  across all three of them.
[02:14:09.700 --> 02:14:11.900]  Yeah the three people saying there for the skiing
[02:14:11.900 --> 02:14:16.400]  thing and again the the jet the military jet it
[02:14:16.400 --> 02:14:18.600]  gets a little bit of the details on the bottom that
[02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:21.300]  are different but it basically has it all there.
[02:14:21.300 --> 02:14:24.400]  So it is pretty much getting the gist of it.
[02:14:24.400 --> 02:14:27.200]  Just as Lance said you would remember that when
[02:14:27.200 --> 02:14:28.000]  you come back.
[02:14:28.000 --> 02:14:31.100]  Now what is interesting about this I think is the
[02:14:31.100 --> 02:14:33.000]  fact that it's not just one company that's doing
[02:14:33.000 --> 02:14:33.400]  this.
[02:14:33.900 --> 02:14:38.500]  There are at least 11 we'll say a dozen companies
[02:14:38.500 --> 02:14:39.300]  that are out there.
[02:14:40.100 --> 02:14:42.700]  I bet you we didn't look this up but I bet you
[02:14:42.700 --> 02:14:45.300]  every single one of them has got grants from DARPA
[02:14:45.300 --> 02:14:48.800]  or some federal agency most likely DARPA in order
[02:14:48.800 --> 02:14:51.100]  to do this kind of stuff.
[02:14:51.100 --> 02:14:53.000]  You know what is the use case for something like
[02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:54.500]  this and how did they put it together.
[02:14:54.500 --> 02:14:58.500]  Well this particular company is bragging about how
[02:14:58.500 --> 02:15:00.300]  superior their method is.
[02:15:01.100 --> 02:15:07.800]  They use f MRI f MRI the MRI scanner that you have
[02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:10.200]  they put you in the machine and you know scan your
[02:15:10.200 --> 02:15:11.100]  brain and things like that.
[02:15:11.100 --> 02:15:12.100]  I had several of those done.
[02:15:13.000 --> 02:15:17.600]  This is functional MRI and what it does instead of
[02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:21.800]  looking at the structure of the brain and seeing
[02:15:21.800 --> 02:15:26.500]  you know other physical alterations to the brain
[02:15:26.500 --> 02:15:28.000]  after a stroke or something like that.
[02:15:28.200 --> 02:15:32.900]  It looks at changes in the brain that are happening
[02:15:33.000 --> 02:15:34.600]  dynamically over time.
[02:15:35.000 --> 02:15:37.700]  And so that's what the functional MRI is about
[02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:40.900]  rather than looking at the physiology or the
[02:15:41.500 --> 02:15:42.600]  structure of the brain.
[02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:46.600]  It's actually looking at the dynamic brain activity
[02:15:47.100 --> 02:15:49.000]  and so to train these models.
[02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:51.000]  One of the things that this company is bragging about
[02:15:51.300 --> 02:15:57.200]  is that they spend about an hour training it and
[02:15:57.200 --> 02:16:00.400]  their competitors might spend 40 hours training it
[02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:04.000]  and they get far superior results truly is amazing
[02:16:04.000 --> 02:16:06.500]  when you look at how long they spend training it
[02:16:06.600 --> 02:16:12.000]  and how much better their their their recognition is
[02:16:12.000 --> 02:16:15.100]  you know being able to sense what you are seeing
[02:16:15.100 --> 02:16:18.200]  and thinking about and basically reading your mind.
[02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:22.600]  And so it is the brain interaction transformer.
[02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:25.000]  They call themselves bit now what what they do.
[02:16:25.000 --> 02:16:26.000]  What is the training?
[02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:31.000]  Well, it turns out that everybody has these localized
[02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:37.300]  patch level image features and so they call them
[02:16:37.600 --> 02:16:41.700]  the they call them clusters.
[02:16:41.700 --> 02:16:45.700]  Okay, and so they're looking at brain voxel clusters
[02:16:46.100 --> 02:16:50.200]  and they say all humans have this but these clusters
[02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:54.000]  will be located in different places on different subjects
[02:16:54.300 --> 02:16:56.900]  same thing, but it'll be slightly moved around.
[02:16:56.900 --> 02:17:00.500]  You know, when you have a stroke they call it brain plasticity
[02:17:00.900 --> 02:17:04.400]  and so we have a stroke part of your brain dies
[02:17:04.700 --> 02:17:08.300]  and if you get the functionality back it's because
[02:17:08.600 --> 02:17:11.100]  another part of your brain has taken up that activity.
[02:17:11.500 --> 02:17:15.400]  They said so some very very young children maybe
[02:17:15.400 --> 02:17:19.600]  in infancy might have a stroke that would affect
[02:17:19.700 --> 02:17:24.400]  for example their their speech and what they found
[02:17:24.400 --> 02:17:27.200]  is that even though that might reside on one side
[02:17:27.200 --> 02:17:29.800]  of their brain versus the other side of the brain those
[02:17:29.800 --> 02:17:32.200]  young children when they have the stroke that affects
[02:17:32.200 --> 02:17:35.200]  the side of the brain where normally speech would be
[02:17:35.500 --> 02:17:38.700]  they found that as they learn to speak the other side
[02:17:38.700 --> 02:17:39.900]  of their brain picks it up.
[02:17:40.300 --> 02:17:42.400]  And so that's what's called brain plasticity.
[02:17:42.400 --> 02:17:45.300]  In other words it can adapt and train that other side
[02:17:45.300 --> 02:17:46.900]  of the brain to take over those functions.
[02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:49.600]  So that's what they're basically looking at here with
[02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:51.100]  these voxel clusters.
[02:17:51.500 --> 02:17:55.800]  They know that you know certain things are going to be
[02:17:55.800 --> 02:17:56.400]  fired.
[02:17:56.800 --> 02:17:59.100]  They just don't know exactly where that's going to be
[02:17:59.100 --> 02:17:59.900]  in a person's brain.
[02:17:59.900 --> 02:18:03.800]  So they spend an hour mapping those things out and then
[02:18:03.800 --> 02:18:06.100]  they get very very accurate results and what they do
[02:18:06.200 --> 02:18:10.500]  is they split it into two different aspects.
[02:18:10.800 --> 02:18:14.000]  One of them is the semantics and I think what that does
[02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:16.700]  is kind of give them a context.
[02:18:16.700 --> 02:18:19.800]  You know so when you look at how oh you got two people
[02:18:19.800 --> 02:18:21.700]  standing and they're kind of standing in this particular
[02:18:21.700 --> 02:18:24.200]  orientation picks up that and then the other one is
[02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:27.000]  about more about the details that are there and then
[02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:29.200]  they run these two different paths together.
[02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:32.700]  So first they have programs that are looking at the
[02:18:32.700 --> 02:18:36.700]  voxel clusters creating a kind of semantic context.
[02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:41.200]  The other one is creating a context for the features and
[02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:44.000]  then they take the output of those two things and put
[02:18:44.000 --> 02:18:46.700]  them into something else that combines and sums those
[02:18:46.700 --> 02:18:49.000]  things together to give them that kind of image.
[02:18:49.400 --> 02:18:51.600]  It's pretty interesting in terms of technology that is
[02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:54.500]  there, but I think it is absolutely abhorrent that
[02:18:54.500 --> 02:18:55.000]  they're doing this.
[02:18:55.000 --> 02:18:58.500]  I can't think of any reason for them to do something
[02:18:58.500 --> 02:18:59.000]  like this.
[02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:01.500]  Now they'll come up with some kind of a fake justification
[02:19:01.800 --> 02:19:05.400]  just like they're talking about with the creating
[02:19:05.400 --> 02:19:06.700]  babies with a hatchery.
[02:19:07.200 --> 02:19:10.200]  Oh well, we'll do it to save people from some kind of
[02:19:10.200 --> 02:19:14.000]  genetic disease and they're leaning into that excuse
[02:19:14.400 --> 02:19:16.900]  leaning into that narrative by calling their company
[02:19:17.100 --> 02:19:18.800]  preventive, right?
[02:19:19.100 --> 02:19:22.000]  But these are the kinds of things you know when we look
[02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:24.900]  at this actually, you know Lance pull up the one that
[02:19:24.900 --> 02:19:28.900]  says it's titled brain interaction transformer and
[02:19:28.900 --> 02:19:31.800]  when you look at that chart, you'll see that in their
[02:19:31.800 --> 02:19:34.200]  chart when they're talking about the cross transformer
[02:19:34.200 --> 02:19:37.300]  module, they've got that listed there twice and guess
[02:19:37.300 --> 02:19:39.600]  what they misspelled transformer.
[02:19:41.200 --> 02:19:43.100]  I'm being a little bit of a grammar Nazi here, but I
[02:19:43.100 --> 02:19:44.700]  got to just say that, you know, we're talking about
[02:19:44.700 --> 02:19:45.500]  things like this.
[02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:48.500]  The little details matter and I wonder what happens
[02:19:48.500 --> 02:19:51.500]  when you switch some of the stuff reconstructing things
[02:19:51.500 --> 02:19:52.700]  and it's a critical mission.
[02:19:53.200 --> 02:19:54.300]  I don't know to be honest.
[02:19:54.300 --> 02:19:56.500]  It sounds a lot more like a Decepticon ploy than the
[02:19:56.500 --> 02:19:57.800]  transformers to me.
[02:19:57.800 --> 02:19:58.700]  But what do I know?
[02:19:58.900 --> 02:20:01.000]  Yeah, it sounds pretty crazy to me.
[02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:05.000]  Look at one last one here and that is comparing their
[02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:07.800]  images to these other models that are out there.
[02:20:09.200 --> 02:20:12.800]  They're companies called brain IT and they compare it
[02:20:12.800 --> 02:20:16.700]  to some other companies mind Turner mind.
[02:20:16.800 --> 02:20:22.400]  I to neuro VLA and so look at this.
[02:20:22.900 --> 02:20:26.200]  So you have a best mind reader on the market right now.
[02:20:27.200 --> 02:20:28.700]  Yeah, that's absolutely right.
[02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:31.700]  So, you know, when you're interesting one, I think is
[02:20:31.700 --> 02:20:35.000]  the last one the neuro VLA because it always gets the
[02:20:35.000 --> 02:20:38.500]  object correct, but it gets it in a very different
[02:20:38.500 --> 02:20:39.400]  context.
[02:20:39.500 --> 02:20:40.700]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:20:40.900 --> 02:20:41.100]  Yeah.
[02:20:41.100 --> 02:20:45.000]  So that first row there you're seeing a bowl of some
[02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:46.800]  white stuff, maybe it's oatmeal or something and
[02:20:46.800 --> 02:20:48.500]  you're seeing a banana right next to it.
[02:20:48.700 --> 02:20:52.800]  And then when you look at the neuro VLA, they've got
[02:20:52.800 --> 02:20:55.200]  a bowl and then they got a banana, but it's not at
[02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:59.900]  all in the same orientation and brain IT was able to
[02:20:59.900 --> 02:21:00.500]  do that.
[02:21:00.900 --> 02:21:02.700]  And you see that repeated over and over again.
[02:21:02.700 --> 02:21:05.500]  They kind of get some of it, but they don't get all
[02:21:05.500 --> 02:21:05.900]  of it.
[02:21:06.400 --> 02:21:07.900]  You know, it's kind of interesting.
[02:21:08.700 --> 02:21:10.400]  What it reminded me of was this.
[02:21:11.900 --> 02:21:12.200]  Mr.
[02:21:12.200 --> 02:21:14.400]  Vindman ghost buster.
[02:21:15.600 --> 02:21:17.200]  Good guess, but wrong.
[02:21:17.500 --> 02:21:24.000]  I heard that from Bill Murray and the mind-reading
[02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.200]  thing opened up Ghostbusters.
[02:21:27.500 --> 02:21:30.300]  I wonder if they shock these people who created these
[02:21:30.300 --> 02:21:31.500]  models and they get it right.
[02:21:32.500 --> 02:21:33.400]  Tell me what you think it is.
[02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:37.000]  Is it a star?
[02:21:38.700 --> 02:21:40.000]  It is a star.
[02:21:42.700 --> 02:21:44.500]  And yet you can see from behind him that it wasn't
[02:21:46.100 --> 02:21:46.700]  think hard.
[02:21:47.900 --> 02:21:48.600]  Okay.
[02:21:50.300 --> 02:21:50.700]  Circle.
[02:21:52.200 --> 02:21:52.700]  Close.
[02:21:53.700 --> 02:21:55.200]  We're definitely wrong.
[02:22:01.500 --> 02:22:01.900]  All right.
[02:22:02.600 --> 02:22:02.900]  Ready?
[02:22:07.200 --> 02:22:07.600]  What is it?
[02:22:13.800 --> 02:22:14.600]  Figure eight.
[02:22:18.200 --> 02:22:18.800]  Incredible.
[02:22:19.100 --> 02:22:20.200]  That's five for five.
[02:22:20.300 --> 02:22:21.000]  You can't see these.
[02:22:21.000 --> 02:22:21.400]  Can you?
[02:22:21.700 --> 02:22:22.600]  No, you're not sure.
[02:22:22.600 --> 02:22:24.000]  That's not what I swear.
[02:22:24.000 --> 02:22:24.900]  They're just coming to me.
[02:22:26.900 --> 02:22:27.300]  Okay.
[02:22:29.400 --> 02:22:30.000]  Nervous.
[02:22:30.900 --> 02:22:31.400]  Yes.
[02:22:32.700 --> 02:22:33.900]  I don't like this.
[02:22:34.100 --> 02:22:36.300]  You only have 75 more to go.
[02:22:36.700 --> 02:22:37.100]  Okay.
[02:22:37.700 --> 02:22:38.400]  What's this one?
[02:22:43.500 --> 02:22:44.900]  Couple of wavy lines.
[02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:45.500]  Sorry.
[02:22:45.900 --> 02:22:46.600]  You got it, right?
[02:22:46.600 --> 02:22:47.100]  Dang.
[02:22:57.400 --> 02:22:58.700]  Getting a little tired of this.
[02:22:58.800 --> 02:23:00.100]  You volunteered, didn't you?
[02:23:00.300 --> 02:23:01.400]  We're paying you, aren't we?
[02:23:01.500 --> 02:23:03.200]  Yeah, but I didn't know you were going to be giving me
[02:23:03.200 --> 02:23:04.600]  electric shocks.
[02:23:05.100 --> 02:23:06.900]  What are you trying to prove here anyway?
[02:23:07.300 --> 02:23:10.000]  I'm studying the effect of negative reinforcement on
[02:23:10.000 --> 02:23:11.200]  ESP ability.
[02:23:11.400 --> 02:23:12.200]  The effect?
[02:23:12.300 --> 02:23:13.800]  I'll tell you what the effect is.
[02:23:13.900 --> 02:23:15.100]  It's pissing me off.
[02:23:15.100 --> 02:23:17.000]  Well, then maybe my theory is correct.
[02:23:17.000 --> 02:23:18.500]  You can keep the five bucks I've had.
[02:23:18.500 --> 02:23:19.600]  I will, mister.
[02:23:22.100 --> 02:23:23.100]  Keep the five bucks.
[02:23:23.300 --> 02:23:26.400]  I wonder what they pay these people to go through an hour
[02:23:26.800 --> 02:23:27.800]  of MRI.
[02:23:27.900 --> 02:23:30.000]  It's the kind of resentment that your ability is going to
[02:23:30.000 --> 02:23:31.200]  provoke in some people.
[02:23:32.700 --> 02:23:33.100]  Yeah.
[02:23:34.100 --> 02:23:35.300]  Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
[02:23:35.300 --> 02:23:37.100]  But now they're doing it for real.
[02:23:37.100 --> 02:23:37.500]  Okay.
[02:23:37.500 --> 02:23:40.600]  They're going to use AI to read people's minds.
[02:23:40.600 --> 02:23:44.000]  And again, when they list out a table and they
[02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:48.700]  compare themselves percentage wise to these other people,
[02:23:48.700 --> 02:23:52.900]  you see that there are 11 of these companies that are out
[02:23:52.900 --> 02:23:53.900]  there doing this stuff.
[02:23:54.400 --> 02:23:56.100]  And who is paying them?
[02:23:56.300 --> 02:23:58.900]  I bet it is some evil organization like...
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[02:25:44.900 --> 02:26:06.900]  Is it all just about the winning?
[02:26:08.400 --> 02:26:11.300]  When we look at this, is it winning everything and the
[02:26:11.300 --> 02:26:11.900]  only thing?
[02:26:12.100 --> 02:26:13.500]  No, I don't think that's the case.
[02:26:14.300 --> 02:26:18.300]  We really need to have meaningful moral reform.
[02:26:18.800 --> 02:26:21.100]  You know, there's an excellent article and I've talked about
[02:26:21.100 --> 02:26:23.200]  William Wilberforce in the past, but there's an excellent
[02:26:23.200 --> 02:26:30.100]  article talking about what he wrote in 1807 when he stopped
[02:26:30.100 --> 02:26:31.500]  the slave trade.
[02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:35.300]  And we're not going to go through all the details of it,
[02:26:35.300 --> 02:26:37.500]  but just to make you aware of it.
[02:26:38.300 --> 02:26:41.100]  It was called a letter on the abolition of the slave trade
[02:26:41.100 --> 02:26:42.400]  by William Wilberforce.
[02:26:43.100 --> 02:26:44.800]  It was published less than a month before the British
[02:26:44.800 --> 02:26:48.500]  Parliament voted overwhelmingly to abolish the slave trade
[02:26:49.200 --> 02:26:52.400]  and it encapsulates two decades of relentless effort by
[02:26:52.400 --> 02:26:53.200]  Wilberforce.
[02:26:53.900 --> 02:26:56.600]  One historian aptly described that parliamentary vote as
[02:26:56.600 --> 02:26:58.900]  quote, one of the turning events in the history of the
[02:26:58.900 --> 02:26:59.200]  world.
[02:26:59.300 --> 02:26:59.900]  And it was.
[02:27:00.900 --> 02:27:04.700]  Slavery has always existed at every time and in every
[02:27:04.700 --> 02:27:11.900]  culture, but it was William Wilberforce who single-handedly
[02:27:11.900 --> 02:27:15.300]  started to turn this tide and he did it because of his
[02:27:15.300 --> 02:27:18.700]  Christian principles and that's the point of this article to
[02:27:18.700 --> 02:27:25.700]  talk about how effective and how necessary it is for Christians
[02:27:25.700 --> 02:27:27.000]  to hold to those principles.
[02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:28.300]  It's not just about winning.
[02:27:29.200 --> 02:27:30.300]  It's not about that at all.
[02:27:31.200 --> 02:27:35.500]  The whole reason he did this fight and understand, take the
[02:27:35.500 --> 02:27:37.200]  biggest things that are out there.
[02:27:37.400 --> 02:27:41.200]  This is like one guy taking on all of the technocracy.
[02:27:42.100 --> 02:27:45.500]  Or one guy taking on all of the oil industry, all the military
[02:27:45.500 --> 02:27:48.500]  industrial complex or all the pharmaceutical or roll those
[02:27:48.500 --> 02:27:49.500]  all together.
[02:27:50.100 --> 02:27:54.200]  Big Pharma, Big Food, the military industrial complex,
[02:27:54.200 --> 02:27:55.100]  roll those all together.
[02:27:55.100 --> 02:27:58.000]  That was slavery at the time in his country.
[02:27:59.200 --> 02:28:02.800]  He took all that on and he won and he won because he stood on
[02:28:02.800 --> 02:28:03.400]  principle.
[02:28:05.100 --> 02:28:07.000]  Wilberforce's work is not merely historical.
[02:28:07.000 --> 02:28:10.100]  It provides a timeless model for how Christians can and should
[02:28:10.100 --> 02:28:11.300]  engage in public life.
[02:28:11.300 --> 02:28:16.400]  It calls us to integrate faith, reason and courage into our
[02:28:16.400 --> 02:28:18.300]  engagement with public policy.
[02:28:19.500 --> 02:28:23.000]  Wilberforce's approach to public policy was unapologetically
[02:28:23.000 --> 02:28:24.300]  grounded in Christian morality.
[02:28:24.300 --> 02:28:26.200]  By the way, this article is from Christian Post.
[02:28:27.100 --> 02:28:30.100]  He spoke boldly as a Christian in Parliament, addressing his
[02:28:30.100 --> 02:28:32.500]  nation's accountability to God.
[02:28:33.800 --> 02:28:36.700]  Even in a society that might appear more receptive to
[02:28:36.700 --> 02:28:40.600]  Christian values on our own, such declarations were not
[02:28:40.600 --> 02:28:41.800]  always welcome.
[02:28:43.000 --> 02:28:47.500]  Yeah, not even in Britain at that time, which is far more
[02:28:47.600 --> 02:28:50.200]  accepting of Christian values than America is now.
[02:28:50.500 --> 02:28:52.600]  Wilberforce begins and ends with a solemn warning.
[02:28:53.300 --> 02:28:57.600]  He said the slave trade was an abominable evil that placed
[02:28:57.600 --> 02:29:00.900]  the British Empire under the judgment of God.
[02:29:02.200 --> 02:29:05.600]  His moral clarity cut through the political expediency
[02:29:05.700 --> 02:29:09.600]  challenging his contemporaries to see the slave trade not as
[02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:14.800]  an economic necessity, but as a profound moral failing.
[02:29:16.400 --> 02:29:18.300]  Same thing is true of abortion today, isn't it?
[02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:20.600]  And so many other issues.
[02:29:22.600 --> 02:29:25.900]  We always have culture is downstream from religion and
[02:29:25.900 --> 02:29:27.500]  politics is downstream from culture.
[02:29:29.200 --> 02:29:31.600]  Wilberforce paired his moral convictions with meticulous
[02:29:31.600 --> 02:29:32.900]  research and evidence.
[02:29:33.400 --> 02:29:39.100]  He often spent 14 hours a day studying and gathering facts
[02:29:39.500 --> 02:29:42.900]  about the slave trade, a pace that he eventually moderated
[02:29:42.900 --> 02:29:44.000]  for the sake of his health.
[02:29:44.200 --> 02:29:47.300]  The rigorous preparation though allowed him to systematically
[02:29:47.300 --> 02:29:50.300]  counter every objection raised by his opponents.
[02:29:50.300 --> 02:29:53.100]  Folks, if you don't read, you can't lead.
[02:29:53.900 --> 02:29:57.600]  You got to lead with the facts, especially if you're going
[02:29:57.600 --> 02:30:02.000]  to do things in the name of truth and the name of morality
[02:30:02.800 --> 02:30:04.000]  and do things in the name of God.
[02:30:04.000 --> 02:30:08.800]  You got to lead with the truth and you got to know what that is.
[02:30:09.100 --> 02:30:13.000]  In his letter on the abolition of the slave trade, Wilberforce
[02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:15.500]  methodically dismantled pro-slavery arguments presenting
[02:30:15.500 --> 02:30:18.700]  a case so thorough, so compelling that it could not be ignored.
[02:30:18.800 --> 02:30:21.200]  This work underscores the importance of combining moral
[02:30:21.200 --> 02:30:27.400]  passion with intellectual precision and a lot of hard work.
[02:30:30.500 --> 02:30:32.600]  He said, it's not enough to simply declare what is right.
[02:30:32.600 --> 02:30:36.500]  We have to also engage in reasoned evidence-based advocacy.
[02:30:37.200 --> 02:30:40.800]  Whether the issue is religious freedom, the sanctity of life,
[02:30:41.200 --> 02:30:43.800]  or justice for the marginalized, we must be prepared to make
[02:30:43.800 --> 02:30:47.600]  our case with clarity and convictions for us today.
[02:30:49.800 --> 02:30:52.400]  He faced fierce opposition from powerful interests tied to
[02:30:52.400 --> 02:30:54.800]  the slave trade and to colonial economies.
[02:30:54.800 --> 02:30:58.600]  And at one point he was challenged to a duel by a slave ship
[02:30:58.600 --> 02:31:02.300]  captain and he received multiple death threats that he pressed
[02:31:02.300 --> 02:31:04.800]  on with unwavering determination.
[02:31:05.800 --> 02:31:10.000]  Wilberforce confronts his opponents head-on in his book,
[02:31:10.000 --> 02:31:14.800]  arguing that the abolition of the slave trade would ultimately
[02:31:14.800 --> 02:31:16.500]  benefit the economy.
[02:31:16.500 --> 02:31:20.600]  He declared that even if economic losses occurred, the moral
[02:31:20.600 --> 02:31:25.600]  imperative to end, quote, the most enormous crime of slavery
[02:31:25.600 --> 02:31:27.800]  outweighed everything else.
[02:31:27.800 --> 02:31:30.900]  You know, we have to understand, and the founders of this country
[02:31:30.900 --> 02:31:36.500]  understood, that prosperity, like liberty, are a blessing
[02:31:36.500 --> 02:31:39.700]  from God, and that should be our first concern.
[02:31:40.300 --> 02:31:44.200]  Our first concern should be to seek God's blessing.
[02:31:45.200 --> 02:31:48.000]  And that means that we follow the principles that he laid out.
[02:31:49.400 --> 02:31:51.700]  As I say here in the Christian Post, for Christians today,
[02:31:51.700 --> 02:31:54.500]  engaging in public life often means standing against cultural
[02:31:54.500 --> 02:32:00.100]  tides, enduring criticism, and hostility.
[02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:04.900]  Wilberforce's example challenges us to speak the truth and love
[02:32:04.900 --> 02:32:06.800]  regardless of the cost.
[02:32:07.700 --> 02:32:11.300]  Transformational change is possible when Christians engage
[02:32:11.300 --> 02:32:15.100]  in public square with conviction and perseverance.
[02:32:15.100 --> 02:32:20.100]  That is the legacy that was taught to us by William Wilberforce.
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[02:37:36.800 --> 02:37:49.360]  Hi, my name is Brian Hooker and I'm the Chief Scientific Officer for Children's Health Defense.
[02:37:49.360 --> 02:37:56.740]  And I want to talk to you about an important initiative of CHD called the COVID Index.
[02:37:56.740 --> 02:38:01.380]  This is the information that the powers that be did not want you to see.
[02:38:01.380 --> 02:38:09.500]  This web repository refutes the narrative, the official narrative regarding COVID-19.
[02:38:09.500 --> 02:38:15.820]  It has a very, very comprehensive, easy to use search engine so you can search readily
[02:38:15.820 --> 02:38:22.020]  and also get direct excerpts from every entry in the COVID Index.
[02:38:22.020 --> 02:38:28.820]  There's so much information out there that needs to be curated and this is a place where
[02:38:28.820 --> 02:38:32.860]  it has been done and is being done continuously.
[02:38:32.860 --> 02:38:43.420]  So I highly recommend that you check out this resource at www.covidindex.science.
[02:38:43.420 --> 02:38:47.220]  All right, welcome back and that was a little introductory video that you'll find at that
[02:38:47.220 --> 02:38:50.220]  site, covidindex.science.
[02:38:50.220 --> 02:38:52.060]  I didn't even know they had a dot science.
[02:38:52.060 --> 02:38:54.940]  I guess they did that in honor of Fauci.
[02:38:54.940 --> 02:38:58.180]  It'd be interesting to get the domain name.
[02:38:58.260 --> 02:39:00.220]  I am dot science.
[02:39:00.220 --> 02:39:05.660]  Joining us now is Dr. Brian Hooker.
[02:39:05.660 --> 02:39:10.220]  He's a chief scientific officer at Children's Health Defense, formerly the department chair
[02:39:10.220 --> 02:39:14.260]  and professor emeritus of biology at Simpson University.
[02:39:14.260 --> 02:39:18.620]  And I have been following his very valuable research and the very valuable things that
[02:39:18.620 --> 02:39:23.740]  Children's Health Defense had through this massive pandemic MacGuffin that we always
[02:39:23.740 --> 02:39:25.180]  talk about.
[02:39:25.180 --> 02:39:31.340]  And it's good to, you know, we can look at this stuff and we can understand the motivations
[02:39:31.340 --> 02:39:33.700]  of these people and we can sanity check it.
[02:39:33.700 --> 02:39:38.100]  But it's important to have the scientific information that's there as well.
[02:39:38.100 --> 02:39:40.460]  And that's what Dr. Hooker provides.
[02:39:40.460 --> 02:39:47.620]  You know, it was actually Children's Health Defense and I think ICON that when they sued
[02:39:47.820 --> 02:39:56.300]  The CDC, the CDC is part of the vaccine holding them not responsible for any damage that they
[02:39:56.300 --> 02:39:57.300]  did to the kids.
[02:39:57.300 --> 02:39:58.300]  I forget the exact name.
[02:39:58.300 --> 02:40:00.300]  The 1986 act.
[02:40:00.300 --> 02:40:02.980]  And you probably know what that is, Dr. Hooker.
[02:40:02.980 --> 02:40:03.980]  What is that?
[02:40:03.980 --> 02:40:04.980]  What's the name of that official act?
[02:40:04.980 --> 02:40:11.300]  It's called the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and it set up the National Vaccine
[02:40:11.300 --> 02:40:18.220]  Injury Compensation Program and the program was up and running in about 1989.
[02:40:18.220 --> 02:40:20.980]  And they were supposed to be tracking as part of that agreement.
[02:40:20.980 --> 02:40:26.140]  They were supposed to track the adverse events and to make recommendations and so forth.
[02:40:26.140 --> 02:40:32.340]  And so I remember RFK Jr. and Del Bigtree at ICON asked them, you know, we'd like to
[02:40:32.340 --> 02:40:36.820]  see your records and see what recommendations you have made and so forth and so on.
[02:40:36.820 --> 02:40:39.540]  They stalled and stalled and stalled and wouldn't comply with it.
[02:40:40.180 --> 02:40:42.700]  They had a judge that forced them to give the information.
[02:40:42.700 --> 02:40:47.820]  You could see that for 30 plus years they had not been concerned about any of this stuff.
[02:40:47.820 --> 02:40:49.620]  They'd kept no records at all.
[02:40:49.620 --> 02:40:53.540]  And so it's very important when we come into this, if we understand what the priorities
[02:40:53.540 --> 02:40:59.020]  of these people are, that it's not your health, that it's the profits of the corporations
[02:40:59.020 --> 02:41:02.060]  and the revolving door that is there, that's an important thing to start with.
[02:41:02.060 --> 02:41:08.860]  But what Dr. Hooker has provided is beyond that and it gives us the tools that we need
[02:41:08.860 --> 02:41:10.620]  in order to try to help educate people.
[02:41:10.620 --> 02:41:15.180]  And they've got a new resource now, covidindex.science.
[02:41:15.180 --> 02:41:17.900]  So with that long introduction, thank you so much for joining us.
[02:41:17.900 --> 02:41:19.580]  I really appreciate you coming on today.
[02:41:20.380 --> 02:41:21.820]  Well, you're very welcome.
[02:41:21.820 --> 02:41:27.740]  And I'm excited that Children's Health Defense is hosting covidindex.science.
[02:41:28.300 --> 02:41:36.220]  It is such an amazing repository of information of all things around the COVID era.
[02:41:36.220 --> 02:41:38.540]  And now what's going on in the post-COVID era?
[02:41:39.180 --> 02:41:46.220]  The mess that was created by the whole pandemic needs to be cleaned up.
[02:41:46.220 --> 02:41:48.940]  And that's the fallout.
[02:41:48.940 --> 02:41:56.380]  We're continuing to see publications come out and publications that we feel are bad
[02:41:56.380 --> 02:41:59.580]  or fraudulent that are not good science.
[02:41:59.580 --> 02:42:05.660]  We want to make sure that those are critiqued in the COVID index and then also the good
[02:42:05.660 --> 02:42:11.820]  science that's coming out so people will know what's going on with things like remdesivir,
[02:42:11.820 --> 02:42:19.020]  hospital protocols, the vaccine, the therapies that work that have been disparaged like
[02:42:19.020 --> 02:42:24.940]  ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and vitamin D3 and zinc.
[02:42:27.100 --> 02:42:33.340]  So we've got sort of a historical basis and we've built this edifice of information.
[02:42:33.420 --> 02:42:36.620]  And it's a living database.
[02:42:36.620 --> 02:42:39.580]  We're always updating the COVID index.
[02:42:39.580 --> 02:42:47.100]  So when things come out, then we can feature the new information and some of the information
[02:42:47.100 --> 02:42:54.460]  pouring out like ties to things like autism as well as neurodevelopmental disabilities
[02:42:55.100 --> 02:42:57.500]  for individuals that got the shot in pregnancy.
[02:42:58.140 --> 02:43:04.860]  And also one of the things that practitioners are talking about are turbo cancers.
[02:43:04.860 --> 02:43:12.860]  We're seeing so many turbo cancers that we believe that the vaccine played a role
[02:43:12.860 --> 02:43:19.260]  in either causing that cancer or hastening the growth of that cancer.
[02:43:20.220 --> 02:43:27.660]  Yes, I remember, and I remember pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole talking in the spring of 2021 as it was
[02:43:27.660 --> 02:43:31.340]  really starting to roll out in a large way.
[02:43:31.340 --> 02:43:35.340]  He said, I'm looking at patients and I'm seeing that it's damaging their killer T cells.
[02:43:35.900 --> 02:43:39.580]  And he goes, and that's when I first heard the term turbo cancer, I think.
[02:43:39.580 --> 02:43:40.380]  He was talking about that.
[02:43:40.380 --> 02:43:43.100]  He said, it's really going to cause that to explode because that's your body's first
[02:43:43.100 --> 02:43:46.140]  defense against cancer cells, the killer T cells.
[02:43:46.700 --> 02:43:52.220]  And so I guess the first question I would have for you, what about people who got the shots?
[02:43:52.220 --> 02:43:56.940]  Many of the listeners have, hopefully they haven't gotten it, but perhaps they have
[02:43:58.460 --> 02:44:00.140]  family or friends who have.
[02:44:01.100 --> 02:44:05.820]  What types of things, are there going to be resources there at covidindex.science
[02:44:05.820 --> 02:44:09.820]  that would help people who have been exposed to this pathogen?
[02:44:10.780 --> 02:44:17.980]  Yes, there are resources on recovery from covid vaccine injury.
[02:44:17.980 --> 02:44:20.060]  That is a part of the database.
[02:44:20.060 --> 02:44:25.100]  And I would also encourage those individuals that are suffering and they really don't know
[02:44:25.100 --> 02:44:29.980]  where to go because so many practitioners either don't acknowledge that it happens or
[02:44:29.980 --> 02:44:32.620]  they'll throw up their hands and say, I have no idea what to do.
[02:44:33.660 --> 02:44:39.580]  So I would encourage those individuals to email us at info at childrenshealthdefense.org.
[02:44:40.060 --> 02:44:41.980]  And ask that question directly.
[02:44:43.260 --> 02:44:49.420]  I can't really recommend practitioners in an interview or in that particular setting,
[02:44:49.420 --> 02:44:54.220]  but at least we can let people know what practitioners are in the area or what
[02:44:54.220 --> 02:45:00.860]  practitioners are specializing in those types of cancers or in those types of difficulties.
[02:45:00.860 --> 02:45:04.300]  Like long covid vaccine injury is extremely prevalent.
[02:45:04.300 --> 02:45:08.540]  A lot of people are having symptoms that are similar to fibromyalgia.
[02:45:09.820 --> 02:45:16.620]  That either got covid or got the covid shot and we're finding circulating spike protein
[02:45:16.620 --> 02:45:22.140]  in these individuals that got the covid shot for upwards to two years after they got their
[02:45:22.140 --> 02:45:22.860]  last vaccine.
[02:45:22.860 --> 02:45:26.140]  So things can be done and things need to be done.
[02:45:26.140 --> 02:45:31.980]  Yes, I had an interview years ago with an injured orthopedic surgeon who could no longer
[02:45:31.980 --> 02:45:37.740]  work because his hands were shaking and he kept going to fellow physicians.
[02:45:38.700 --> 02:45:42.460]  As soon as he would say he thought it was a vaccine injury and this is what they would
[02:45:42.460 --> 02:45:45.340]  just basically, I can't help you, they would run away.
[02:45:45.340 --> 02:45:49.740]  It just tells us so much about the state of medicine right now, doesn't it?
[02:45:49.740 --> 02:45:52.300]  Even to the extent that he finally went to somebody and the guy said,
[02:45:52.940 --> 02:45:55.180]  all right, I've got some things here that I think will help you,
[02:45:55.180 --> 02:45:57.260]  but we're not going to talk about what caused it.
[02:45:58.620 --> 02:46:03.500]  That kind of fear is like a totalitarian Stalinist state.
[02:46:03.500 --> 02:46:07.100]  This is the kind of stuff that Solzhenitsyn talked about in the Soviet Union.
[02:46:08.540 --> 02:46:09.340]  It is.
[02:46:11.020 --> 02:46:12.700]  We were so fortunate.
[02:46:12.700 --> 02:46:21.260]  California had a bill to actually codify that so physicians and providers could not
[02:46:21.260 --> 02:46:23.420]  deviate from the standard of care.
[02:46:23.420 --> 02:46:29.820]  They could not talk about things that were outside of like Remdesivir or Paxlovid or
[02:46:29.820 --> 02:46:37.100]  Monopulvinir that were these sort of patented technologies that were going to give the most
[02:46:37.100 --> 02:46:42.460]  money to government scientists and so they could not deviate from that line.
[02:46:42.460 --> 02:46:44.620]  We could never talk about ivermectin.
[02:46:44.620 --> 02:46:49.980]  That bill passed, but fortunately it was overturned by a court decision and the bill,
[02:46:49.980 --> 02:46:56.300]  the California legislature withdrew it, but many practitioners do not know that,
[02:46:56.300 --> 02:47:01.580]  that they have the freedom to be able to deviate from the standard of care.
[02:47:01.580 --> 02:47:06.220]  Many are afraid because of individuals that have been persecuted,
[02:47:06.220 --> 02:47:09.980]  that have lost their certifications, things like that.
[02:47:11.740 --> 02:47:15.980]  Quite honestly, I know the practitioners that have gone through the persecution,
[02:47:15.980 --> 02:47:17.580]  that have lost their certifications.
[02:47:17.580 --> 02:47:18.860]  They fight back, they win.
[02:47:20.460 --> 02:47:25.980]  So many of them are still in practice today and I'm glad for people like Ryan Cole,
[02:47:25.980 --> 02:47:28.220]  for Peter McCullough, for Pierre Corry.
[02:47:28.220 --> 02:47:32.780]  They've really fought the system and are still seeing patients,
[02:47:32.780 --> 02:47:34.940]  treating patients and doing a lot of good.
[02:47:34.940 --> 02:47:36.380]  That's great, yeah.
[02:47:36.380 --> 02:47:40.620]  It is horrific to look at how corrupt the system is and of course,
[02:47:40.620 --> 02:47:42.620]  they got a lot of different ways that they can come after you.
[02:47:43.260 --> 02:47:47.420]  I'm pretty sure it was a children's health defense article where they were talking about
[02:47:47.420 --> 02:47:51.900]  how the insurance companies will come after the pediatricians who don't follow the vaccine
[02:47:51.900 --> 02:47:57.420]  schedule and get a certain percentage of their children vaccinated on schedule.
[02:47:57.420 --> 02:48:00.700]  They will basically cut across the board what they will pay these
[02:48:01.660 --> 02:48:04.860]  these pediatricians and basically put them out of practice.
[02:48:04.860 --> 02:48:08.780]  Even if you don't get some review board to pull their license,
[02:48:08.780 --> 02:48:11.740]  they can pull that economic trick on you.
[02:48:11.740 --> 02:48:13.500]  I think that was from children's health defense.
[02:48:14.700 --> 02:48:20.220]  They have done that and they threaten that all the time.
[02:48:20.220 --> 02:48:27.420]  We were able to get the incentive program for one of the largest HMOs in the United States
[02:48:27.420 --> 02:48:28.940]  and it was Anthem Blue Cross.
[02:48:29.740 --> 02:48:35.980]  What we found was that pediatricians stood to make over a half a million dollars a year.
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[02:49:37.900 --> 02:49:43.020]  63% or more of their pediatric practice was fully vaccinated.
[02:49:43.020 --> 02:49:49.820]  They could get $600 per patient if they had a thousand patients that were fully vaccinated.
[02:49:49.820 --> 02:49:53.740]  That was $600,000 and that was a yearly incentive.
[02:49:53.740 --> 02:49:59.180]  So, you know, those individuals that have been fired from pediatric practices
[02:49:59.180 --> 02:50:03.020]  because they haven't been following the vaccine schedule, that's why it has nothing to do with
[02:50:03.020 --> 02:50:07.580]  health. It has everything to do with a pediatrician on the take.
[02:50:07.580 --> 02:50:08.700]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:50:08.700 --> 02:50:10.860]  And of course, we look at the whole COVID thing.
[02:50:10.860 --> 02:50:11.980]  I was absolutely amazed.
[02:50:11.980 --> 02:50:14.540]  I remember it was in August of 2020.
[02:50:14.540 --> 02:50:18.220]  The American Hospital Association was saying, wait a minute, you told us you're going to give
[02:50:18.220 --> 02:50:22.140]  us a 20% bonus and now you're telling us that we got to give you our PCR test.
[02:50:22.140 --> 02:50:25.500]  You told us at the beginning that you didn't have enough of them and that they didn't work
[02:50:25.500 --> 02:50:28.300]  anyway. This is amazing.
[02:50:28.300 --> 02:50:33.820]  I've been shouting about that now for five years and people just don't realize how they
[02:50:33.820 --> 02:50:39.500]  use financial strings to get their way with people and how they were financially incentivizing
[02:50:39.500 --> 02:50:42.620]  people. So you just point at them and say they got COVID, $9,000.
[02:50:42.620 --> 02:50:45.180]  You put them on a ventilator, we're going to give you $39,000.
[02:50:45.180 --> 02:50:49.740]  We'll give you a 20% bonus on everything that you do if you say this person has COVID.
[02:50:50.140 --> 02:50:52.460]  The whole thing was bought and paid for, wasn't it?
[02:50:53.740 --> 02:50:54.620]  It really was.
[02:50:56.140 --> 02:51:01.900]  There was an economic dearth right during the shutdown because they were shutting down
[02:51:01.900 --> 02:51:07.180]  hospitals and taking elective surgeries and things like that and telling them to stay home.
[02:51:07.180 --> 02:51:15.580]  So then they waived these incentive programs come July, August of 2020 to the providers,
[02:51:15.580 --> 02:51:23.020]  to the hospitals and really force them into a situation where many of them just had to go
[02:51:23.020 --> 02:51:31.900]  along, let's diagnose COVID, let's diagnose we're not going to give effective therapies.
[02:51:31.900 --> 02:51:37.180]  We really want to put people on ventilators because they got more money for ventilated
[02:51:37.180 --> 02:51:46.380]  patients that were in ICU and so that forced many, many more patients into that whole system
[02:51:46.380 --> 02:51:51.580]  where they got worse and worse and worse. I think a lot of them, David, died of bacterial
[02:51:51.580 --> 02:51:58.940]  pneumonia, but they were never tested for the presence of bacteria and they were allowed to die.
[02:51:58.940 --> 02:52:02.780]  It was just a crying shame and people should go to jail over this.
[02:52:02.780 --> 02:52:06.940]  Yes, yes. Putting people on the ventilator and that type of thing. We have
[02:52:08.780 --> 02:52:15.420]  Grace Shera's case and they're reopening that again and that was another one of these cases,
[02:52:15.420 --> 02:52:19.580]  just basically hospital murder. Do not resuscitate, put her on a ventilator.
[02:52:20.460 --> 02:52:24.700]  But I wanted to ask you a couple of things because there's been some disappointment with
[02:52:25.500 --> 02:52:31.980]  my part and as well as a lot of my listeners with what's going on with the MAHA. Disappointed that
[02:52:31.980 --> 02:52:37.820]  the mRNA jab is still there. I mean, we've had the process and I understand there's a
[02:52:37.820 --> 02:52:43.260]  lot of inertia here. I understand there's a real political fight there and I kind of watched this
[02:52:43.260 --> 02:52:48.460]  as it's been developing in Florida with Joseph Lattopo there. First they came back and they said,
[02:52:48.460 --> 02:52:52.940]  well, we don't recommend it, but if you get it, you can go ahead and get it,
[02:52:52.940 --> 02:52:58.620]  but they're not going to ban it. And they're gradually moving into that first saying we
[02:52:59.500 --> 02:53:05.580]  don't recommend it. We're not going to force anymore, but now we strongly do not recommend
[02:53:05.580 --> 02:53:10.460]  it. But they won't actually come in with a ban on this kind of stuff. And it's so frustrating
[02:53:10.460 --> 02:53:17.740]  because we have seen in the past when a handful of people died over a vaccine or over a medicine,
[02:53:18.300 --> 02:53:23.340]  they would pull it. And that is not happening now. They will pull it if you got a couple of
[02:53:23.340 --> 02:53:27.900]  children who died because of a faulty baby crib. They pull all of them off the market,
[02:53:27.900 --> 02:53:34.460]  but they don't do that with this. And so the question is, what is happening? Why don't we see
[02:53:34.460 --> 02:53:41.500]  a ban of the mRNA? And of course, what Lattopo has moved to is to say that now pointing out the fact
[02:53:41.500 --> 02:53:48.540]  there's a lot of DNA contamination in the vaccines and say, this is something that should cause you
[02:53:48.540 --> 02:53:53.740]  to pull this off the market, but it's not. And so at what point do you think this is going
[02:53:53.740 --> 02:54:01.180]  to happen or is it going to happen? I want it to happen desperately. You know, we have things that
[02:54:01.180 --> 02:54:08.060]  are not on the open market that are not sold or distributed ever because they're poisons. We call
[02:54:08.060 --> 02:54:15.580]  them poisons. And so when you look at the mRNA shot, it is pure poison. It is basically, you know,
[02:54:15.580 --> 02:54:20.940]  and people unfortunately are up in arms that they want their COVID boosters. They want their COVID
[02:54:20.940 --> 02:54:26.940]  boosters. I know people personally that are on their seventh or eighth booster and they are addicted
[02:54:26.940 --> 02:54:33.740]  to these things. And you wonder like, well, why are you still around? Because they are so, so toxic.
[02:54:33.740 --> 02:54:40.460]  And we've seen so many people affected. You know, I believe that in the United States easily, if the
[02:54:40.460 --> 02:54:44.940]  calculations were done, we'd see over a million people who have died because of the COVID shot.
[02:54:45.500 --> 02:54:56.860]  But the HHS has been dragging its heels. And I think that part of it is, you know, the more
[02:54:56.860 --> 02:55:03.260]  the administration end of it and not the HHS end of it, because I know, you know, I know Secretary
[02:55:03.260 --> 02:55:09.900]  Kennedy, I worked with Secretary Kennedy for, you know, 12 years before he became Secretary Kennedy.
[02:55:09.900 --> 02:55:18.380]  And it is his heart and his plan to be able to get rid of that technology, because it was never
[02:55:18.380 --> 02:55:25.500]  should have been rolled out. People knew historically that that type of technology was bad news.
[02:55:25.500 --> 02:55:31.900]  And it was a grand medical experiment and, you know, basically a big clinical trial that was
[02:55:31.900 --> 02:55:38.460]  head up by Tony Fauci. And it should have never happened. That man belongs in jail. You know,
[02:55:38.460 --> 02:55:43.340]  we're pushing as hard as we can push. And honestly, there are people on the inside of
[02:55:43.340 --> 02:55:49.180]  HHS that are rooting for us and saying, no, push harder, push harder, because we have this behemoth
[02:55:49.180 --> 02:55:55.740]  of an organization that doesn't want to change. We have deep state people in HHS that don't want
[02:55:55.740 --> 02:56:00.540]  to change. So we need more pressure. And of course, when we look at this, I think we really
[02:56:00.540 --> 02:56:07.580]  dodged the bullet there with Susan Monterrez being taken out of the CDC. And, you know,
[02:56:07.580 --> 02:56:15.900]  she was somebody who was at BARDA and ARPA-H and very focused on mRNA plus AI. And we know that
[02:56:15.900 --> 02:56:20.620]  Trump was pushing that on like his first day in office with Stargate. He had Larry Ellison there
[02:56:20.620 --> 02:56:25.820]  saying, yeah, we're going to do an AI assessment of you and we'll custom make an mRNA thing there.
[02:56:25.820 --> 02:56:30.220]  So I was very concerned as to what was going to happen there. And, of course,
[02:56:30.220 --> 02:56:35.500]  that's created a lot of pushback against RFK. And they said, well, you just fired her because
[02:56:35.500 --> 02:56:41.020]  of a personal disagreement or something, you know, insubordination because you wanted some
[02:56:41.020 --> 02:56:45.500]  of these other people fired. And she said, no, no, no, I'm not going to fire them. And so he fired
[02:56:45.500 --> 02:56:51.100]  her. What do you know about that? Do you think that he gets that, that he's pushing back against
[02:56:51.100 --> 02:56:57.260]  the mRNA that's basically being put out there for everything? I mean, we had at USDA with this
[02:56:57.260 --> 02:57:02.700]  administration, with the Trump administration, we had Brooke Rollins who, with all this bird flu
[02:57:02.700 --> 02:57:08.460]  insanity in the mass culling of chickens, so far that was happening with Biden, her big solution
[02:57:08.460 --> 02:57:13.900]  was, well, we'll give the mRNA bird flu shot to all the chickens and then that'll be fine.
[02:57:14.460 --> 02:57:21.980]  And that's also to the cattle and to the pigs as well, all of our food supply. And so she has
[02:57:21.980 --> 02:57:28.780]  the authority to approve that for agricultural issues. But on the other side, the mRNA things
[02:57:28.780 --> 02:57:33.100]  that are there, especially when you combine it with artificial intelligence, very concerning.
[02:57:33.100 --> 02:57:36.460]  What do you know about the, what's going on with Monterey's and the rest of the stuff? When you're
[02:57:36.460 --> 02:57:42.300]  talking about deep state, I mean, that's what I think of as BARDA and ARPA-H and these insidious
[02:57:42.300 --> 02:57:46.060]  programs that are out there. It seems like there's a lot of people in the Trump administration.
[02:57:46.700 --> 02:57:51.580]  Trump is working with Larry Ellison and of course, Brooke Rollins is in on all that as well.
[02:57:51.580 --> 02:58:00.620]  What's your take on that? Well, not, you know, not all that litters is gold, even in HHS. And so,
[02:58:00.620 --> 02:58:08.220]  you know, the, by Susan Monterey as being fired and then other, you know, CDC officials taking
[02:58:08.220 --> 02:58:15.100]  their toys and going home. I mean, they did us a huge favor. They needed to be fired anyway. So
[02:58:15.100 --> 02:58:22.140]  it was like, okay, you know, don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. So we were, you know,
[02:58:22.140 --> 02:58:31.420]  we were very, very fortunate to that. There has to be more of a mass exodus of these individuals
[02:58:31.420 --> 02:58:38.460]  because mRNA technology is sort of this new play toy. And scientists think, oh, well,
[02:58:38.460 --> 02:58:45.340]  let's plug and play. We can, we can just, you know, program AI to tell us what the next pathogen is.
[02:58:45.340 --> 02:58:50.700]  And they have this buzzword that they're hiding behind called universal vaccination.
[02:58:51.340 --> 02:58:56.860]  And so when you look at the buzzword universal vaccination, even Jay Bhattacharya put it out
[02:58:56.860 --> 02:59:04.540]  in a memo talking about a new vaccine platform, it was mRNA written all over it. That needs to go,
[02:59:04.540 --> 02:59:09.740]  you know, I've already, you know, emailed him directly and said, you know what, universal
[02:59:09.740 --> 02:59:14.380]  vaccination is code word for gain of function. And so that means that you're, that you're
[02:59:14.380 --> 02:59:24.140]  weaponizing and you're basically giving permission for scientists in the NIH to weaponize H5N1,
[02:59:24.140 --> 02:59:33.180]  to weaponize, you know, SARS-CoV-2 or whatever, monkeypox. And so they can have the pathogen,
[02:59:33.180 --> 02:59:39.740]  pathogen du jour. And if that leaks out, then that's the whole pandemic that, you know, Fauci
[02:59:39.740 --> 02:59:45.340]  is sitting on the edge of a seat waiting for so he can, you know, somehow swoop in and save the
[02:59:45.340 --> 02:59:52.940]  day again. But these, these are bad. These are horrible technologies. Nobody has talked about
[02:59:52.940 --> 02:59:59.420]  innate immune suppression that happens when you get mRNA shots. Nobody's talked about the effect
[02:59:59.420 --> 03:00:05.500]  of the lipid nanoparticle on the immune system. And I think you, excuse me, I think you mentioned
[03:00:05.500 --> 03:00:10.780]  that at the very beginning. I remember in the fall of 2020, when they were talking about it,
[03:00:10.780 --> 03:00:16.220]  there was an article, and I think it was you that was involved in it, that questioned the idea of
[03:00:16.220 --> 03:00:22.300]  this pegalation, the PEG encapsulation. And you said, this is going to create anaphylactic
[03:00:22.300 --> 03:00:28.140]  shock. And I've told this to people many times. I said, they told you to, you contacted the FDA
[03:00:28.140 --> 03:00:31.740]  and it said, oh, no, we don't care about it. Contact Pfizer. Of course, Pfizer doesn't care
[03:00:31.740 --> 03:00:36.540]  if the FDA doesn't care. That was you, I think, at Children's Health Defense, was it?
[03:00:36.540 --> 03:00:41.500]  It was Children's Health Defense. And I was working with a distinguished colleague,
[03:00:41.500 --> 03:00:48.220]  Lynn Redwood, on that. And it turns out that because of exposure to PEG, 75%
[03:00:49.020 --> 03:00:56.620]  of the population in the United States carries PEG antibodies. And so that meant that, and many
[03:00:56.620 --> 03:01:05.740]  people did go into anaphylaxis and sudden anaphylactic shock after getting the jab.
[03:01:06.300 --> 03:01:12.380]  And so it was predictable. It was highly predictable. Why would you coat this lipid
[03:01:12.380 --> 03:01:20.380]  nanoparticle with a known allergen? It's a recipe for disaster, but it's convenient. People say,
[03:01:20.380 --> 03:01:26.780]  oh, well, you have immune reactions all the time. They frankly didn't really care. They didn't want
[03:01:26.780 --> 03:01:33.020]  to do the experimentation. They just wanted to roll out a vaccine. And they were paid handsomely
[03:01:33.740 --> 03:01:39.580]  to the tune of about $250 billion over the course of the pandemic in sales of those shots.
[03:01:39.580 --> 03:01:44.060]  Yeah, amazing how many billionaires they coined with that. But it just shows the
[03:01:44.060 --> 03:01:49.820]  utter disregard for safety and health that exists in these institutions and these corporations.
[03:01:49.820 --> 03:01:53.660]  I've got a question here from Flower Sower. Thank you for the tip, Flower Sower.
[03:01:53.660 --> 03:01:58.300]  Please ask Dr. Hooker when Children's Health Defense is going to pursue and promote removing
[03:01:58.300 --> 03:02:03.260]  the protection the pharmaceutical industry hides behind with the 1986 act.
[03:02:03.260 --> 03:02:10.540]  Why isn't this a priority for CHD, she asks? Well, I am so grateful for that question
[03:02:10.540 --> 03:02:17.980]  because we are working on it. We're working with key legislators that we can't name right now
[03:02:18.700 --> 03:02:25.820]  on, you know, being able to abolish the 1986 act. We're also working with HHS,
[03:02:26.380 --> 03:02:31.500]  who is trying to re-envision the act. I mean, frankly, my own opinion is that it just needs
[03:02:31.500 --> 03:02:39.820]  to go. It needs to go away. And then we need guardrails for protection of families of vaccine
[03:02:39.820 --> 03:02:45.740]  injured kids. We need at least a one-time look back for those that were denied justice,
[03:02:45.740 --> 03:02:51.740]  especially around the omnibus, autism proceedings. You know, my family, and this is why I fight this,
[03:02:52.700 --> 03:03:02.940]  my family was in vaccine court for 16 years. We filed our claim in May of 2002. And we did
[03:03:02.940 --> 03:03:10.060]  not get a decision and we were not allowed to even go to oral arguments because of a sort of
[03:03:10.060 --> 03:03:16.300]  a vendetta, I believe, that our special master had against our expert witnesses, you know,
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[03:04:20.140 --> 03:04:25.500]  wall of mercury from his vaccines that never should have been in there and arguably mercury
[03:04:25.500 --> 03:04:32.140]  does cause neurodevelopmental disorders. And so we were never given our day in court. There are
[03:04:32.140 --> 03:04:37.340]  thousands upon thousands of families just like that and they all need justice. They all need
[03:04:37.340 --> 03:04:42.700]  their day on court. They were promised that by the seventh amendment and the 14th amendment
[03:04:42.700 --> 03:04:47.900]  and they were never given it. And that's one of the things that was the key aha moment for me
[03:04:47.900 --> 03:04:52.380]  when I found out about the 1986 act. Very important. That's why, you know, I've talked
[03:04:52.380 --> 03:04:58.460]  many times about Dr. Andrew Wakefield's movie. Right. 1986 the act I think is the name of it
[03:04:58.460 --> 03:05:04.380]  and it's a dramatization of how it affects a family. When you do something like that that
[03:05:04.380 --> 03:05:11.340]  basically that shows what this is truly all about and that should be the moment. I think we need to
[03:05:11.340 --> 03:05:15.980]  spread the news far and wide. If we can't stop this, if people at least understand that they
[03:05:15.980 --> 03:05:22.860]  have absolutely no liability and that as we said before, if somebody had you got a crib and you
[03:05:22.860 --> 03:05:28.620]  might have one or two freak accidents with that crib, they recall all of them and massive fines
[03:05:28.620 --> 03:05:34.300]  for the manufacturers. But nothing for this, no matter how many people they kill. It's absolutely
[03:05:34.300 --> 03:05:39.020]  amazing the damage that they're allowed to get away with it. And that it's that type of stuff
[03:05:39.580 --> 03:05:44.380]  that, you know, I look at and it's like, okay, I know what's going on here. That's how I make
[03:05:44.380 --> 03:05:48.460]  my decisions. But it's always good to have a scientist who's going to go through and tell
[03:05:48.460 --> 03:05:53.340]  people what the mechanisms are to get them to understand that. You know, there was just a
[03:05:53.340 --> 03:05:58.700]  recent article on reason. I haven't covered it on the show yet, but I was absolutely stunned
[03:05:58.700 --> 03:06:04.540]  to see this article from reason saying, well, we were told we're all going to die and look,
[03:06:04.540 --> 03:06:08.220]  I'm still alive. I got the vaccine. I know a lot of people got the vaccine and they're still alive.
[03:06:09.020 --> 03:06:13.580]  And again, this is another one of the issues why when you have the COVID index dot science,
[03:06:14.300 --> 03:06:19.340]  it's good to have the truth that is out there. We had a lot of people who made predictions that
[03:06:19.340 --> 03:06:23.420]  everybody that got this vaccine is going to be dead within a year or so. A guy that I used to
[03:06:23.420 --> 03:06:30.940]  work for said that. And that is essentially an alibi for these people because they can point
[03:06:30.940 --> 03:06:36.140]  to that exaggeration and say that didn't work. And of course, when reason looks at this, they
[03:06:36.140 --> 03:06:41.100]  should know, first of all, that the statistics are being suppressed. They're being lied to about
[03:06:41.100 --> 03:06:44.700]  it. They understand that. They see that all the time. Whether you're talking about unemployment
[03:06:44.700 --> 03:06:49.020]  figures or you're talking about inflation figures, they know the government lies with statistics.
[03:06:49.020 --> 03:06:52.460]  They should expect that the government is going to lie with statistics about this
[03:06:52.460 --> 03:06:57.020]  when they rush something to market. But the other part of it is the individual variation
[03:06:57.020 --> 03:07:00.780]  that we see from person to person. But there's the third thing I wanted to ask you about.
[03:07:00.780 --> 03:07:07.180]  And that is there was research that was done by Naomi Wolf. And they went through and looked at
[03:07:07.180 --> 03:07:12.380]  the different batches. I remember at the very beginning of this, again, back in August,
[03:07:12.380 --> 03:07:19.740]  September, the CDC was putting out information about a form that they wanted the health providers
[03:07:19.740 --> 03:07:24.220]  to collect information on about the vaccine. And so they wanted all your personal information,
[03:07:24.220 --> 03:07:29.500]  your address and so forth and so on. And the only other thing they kept about the vaccine was the
[03:07:29.500 --> 03:07:34.940]  lot number. And I talked about that at the time because I said it's kind of ominous that they get
[03:07:34.940 --> 03:07:39.740]  all this personal information and there's a box there that says refused. I said, what are they
[03:07:39.740 --> 03:07:45.180]  going to do with that? And so I said, you know, be aware of that that's there that, you know,
[03:07:45.180 --> 03:07:49.340]  they're going to keep a record of you if you refuse. But they kept the lot information.
[03:07:49.340 --> 03:07:54.700]  And she went back in her research and they found a tremendous variation. I think it was like 30
[03:07:54.700 --> 03:08:01.180]  fold from the least to the most active ingredients that were in there. Is that something you're
[03:08:01.180 --> 03:08:08.220]  aware of? Is that something that is still going on? It is still going on and lot to lot variability
[03:08:08.220 --> 03:08:15.980]  with this type of technology is, you know, very, very, you know, the margins for error are really,
[03:08:15.980 --> 03:08:22.300]  really large. And that's not something you want to see in anything that you would put in your body.
[03:08:22.460 --> 03:08:30.140]  We saw that, you know, the first batches that were rolled out had so many adverse events that,
[03:08:30.140 --> 03:08:35.980]  you know, maybe 80,000, 60,000 would be distributed and then they would quietly pull
[03:08:35.980 --> 03:08:41.820]  them off the market and not tell anybody that that was a hot lot. And you can actually go,
[03:08:41.820 --> 03:08:47.820]  you know, to a tracking site that tracks the adverse events on theirs and just Google how
[03:08:47.820 --> 03:08:55.980]  bad is my batch. And that will tell you, you know, what adverse events have been reported for that
[03:08:55.980 --> 03:09:03.420]  particular batch of vaccines. That's the lot information that you need. And we know that
[03:09:03.420 --> 03:09:10.940]  historically lots and lots of vaccines, not just the COVID shot, have been subject to this level
[03:09:11.020 --> 03:09:19.180]  of, you know, poor biotechnology processing. You look at the Merck MMR vaccine, MMR2,
[03:09:20.300 --> 03:09:26.460]  that was introduced, I believe, in the United States in about 1978. Nobody knows the exact
[03:09:26.460 --> 03:09:33.340]  concentration of virus in that vaccine. Nobody has ever really done the quality control. And so
[03:09:33.340 --> 03:09:38.620]  the lot to lot variability is very, very high. And the only thing that we do know because of
[03:09:38.620 --> 03:09:45.180]  whistleblowers that have come out of Merck is that the maximum concentration of virus
[03:09:45.180 --> 03:09:52.140]  in that vaccine is much, much higher than what the FDA ever approved. And so it's another grand
[03:09:52.140 --> 03:09:58.700]  medical experiment. And we know when that happened, it happened in 1999, they started doing a process
[03:09:58.700 --> 03:10:05.180]  called overfilling the batches and boosting the virus concentrations. That's when anaphylactic
[03:10:05.180 --> 03:10:12.460]  shock really started in earnest and death really started in earnest for the MMR vaccines after they
[03:10:12.460 --> 03:10:16.940]  boosted those virus concentrations. You can see it clear as the nose on your face if you do a
[03:10:16.940 --> 03:10:21.420]  VAERS analysis. Wow. And that's the other thing too, you know, besides the fact they don't have
[03:10:21.420 --> 03:10:26.460]  any liability, so they don't have to care. It's just the lackadaisical haphazard attitude of this.
[03:10:26.460 --> 03:10:32.140]  Of all things, medicines and pharmaceuticals that are very concentrated, they are carefully
[03:10:32.140 --> 03:10:38.220]  controlled in terms of the amounts of whatever that it is that you're getting. And I always looked
[03:10:38.220 --> 03:10:43.500]  at that and I kind of thought, Dr. Hooker, that maybe what they were doing was that was maybe part
[03:10:43.500 --> 03:10:47.340]  of the experiment, you know, experimenting on everybody. Because when you're trying to
[03:10:47.340 --> 03:10:52.060]  roll out something, you're trying to find the sweet spot between something that is going to be
[03:10:52.060 --> 03:10:57.020]  toxic because it's too much and something's going to be ineffective because it's too little. And so
[03:10:57.020 --> 03:11:02.300]  it looks to me like a massive experiment to play around with people. But it's just absolute
[03:11:02.300 --> 03:11:12.300]  disregard for any standards of safety or medicine that's there. Really, it is abysmal. And when you
[03:11:12.300 --> 03:11:21.740]  look at the level of contamination in biologics, you know, FDA is separated into two divisions,
[03:11:21.740 --> 03:11:27.740]  two main divisions or centers. There's the Centers for Drugs Evaluation and Research
[03:11:27.740 --> 03:11:34.380]  and the Center of Biologics Evaluation and Research. It's called CBER. But historically,
[03:11:34.380 --> 03:11:41.020]  those biotech drugs, they come from a soup that has been fermented with a particular genetically
[03:11:41.020 --> 03:11:46.620]  modified organism. A lot of times it's E. coli that is involved in that. So you get carryover
[03:11:46.700 --> 03:11:53.100]  of E. coli proteins. You get carryover of yeast proteins. You get carryover of foreign DNA.
[03:11:53.820 --> 03:12:02.380]  And in the case of the mRNA jabs, then you have carryover of virus particles like SV40.
[03:12:02.380 --> 03:12:08.780]  And SV40, we know, causes cancer. It is known to be carcinogenic.
[03:12:08.780 --> 03:12:12.940]  Yeah. It's just awful. I've got a couple of questions here, several questions as a matter
[03:12:12.940 --> 03:12:18.620]  of fact from the audience. Jerry Alatalo says, please ask Dr. Hooker how he feels about ENF,
[03:12:19.740 --> 03:12:28.460]  A-K-Y-I-L-D-I-Z, public admission that COVID mRNA injections are nanoscale machines programmed
[03:12:28.460 --> 03:12:32.940]  for human injection. I don't know who that individual is. Are you familiar with his work
[03:12:32.940 --> 03:12:40.140]  and that statement? No, I'm not. I'm not familiar with the work, but you know, I will say I have
[03:12:40.140 --> 03:12:49.980]  not observed this directly. I obtained some of the mRNA technology shots myself, examined them
[03:12:49.980 --> 03:12:56.060]  under the microscope, you know, just use face contrast microscopy to see what I could find.
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[03:13:54.060 --> 03:14:03.100]  Tried to incubate it over a period of time at physiological temperature and the backs that I
[03:14:03.100 --> 03:14:10.780]  saw did not have that in it. I'm not saying that it doesn't because again, you know, David, nothing
[03:14:10.780 --> 03:14:18.380]  surprises me anymore when I see the things that the government has gotten away with and knowingly
[03:14:18.380 --> 03:14:24.140]  gotten away with, you know, with horrible poisons that should have never been introduced like
[03:14:24.140 --> 03:14:29.900]  remdesivir. You know, remdesivir killed the organs that caused the lungs to fill up with fluid
[03:14:29.900 --> 03:14:35.580]  and then the patients had to be intubated to force the fluid out of the lungs because the tissue in
[03:14:35.580 --> 03:14:42.860]  the lungs was dying. So many different things have been foisted. Is that technology readily
[03:14:42.860 --> 03:14:48.940]  available and off the shelf? Oh, most definitely. Most definitely they could do that. Did they do it?
[03:14:50.140 --> 03:14:53.340]  That's something I'm still investigating and I honestly do not know.
[03:14:53.340 --> 03:14:57.740]  Let me ask you this too. This is something else I covered. I remember when it happened. In Japan,
[03:14:58.380 --> 03:15:04.860]  they had two different batches of over a million each. It's like one was a million, the other was
[03:15:04.860 --> 03:15:13.100]  like 1.2 million of these Pfizer or Moderna mRNA things. And they noticed that there were black
[03:15:13.100 --> 03:15:19.340]  particulates in it. And they also noticed that they interacted with magnets and they threw all
[03:15:19.340 --> 03:15:26.060]  of them away. And that was briefly reported and then disappeared. And I was just wondering,
[03:15:26.060 --> 03:15:30.300]  are you familiar with that? Could you verify that, that that happened? Anything?
[03:15:31.020 --> 03:15:37.420]  I know individuals that you could do that experiment on and, you know, at the injection site
[03:15:37.420 --> 03:15:44.460]  and it was magnetic. What I make of that was there, you know, were there magnetic particles
[03:15:44.460 --> 03:15:54.380]  in the vaccine? Yeah, the technology exists. So it is, we need all of the documentation of Pfizer.
[03:15:54.380 --> 03:16:00.060]  There's a big, big reason why Pfizer wanted to seal those records for 76 years.
[03:16:00.060 --> 03:16:04.460]  Because, you know, that is, you know, we're going to find a witch's brew in there.
[03:16:04.460 --> 03:16:09.260]  Yes, the connection with DARPA, yeah. The connection with DARPA and Bard and everything,
[03:16:09.260 --> 03:16:14.780]  right? That points to a witch's brew of some sort. I was just wondering if maybe, you know,
[03:16:14.780 --> 03:16:20.380]  it showed up in Japan because of the long travel time, maybe there was an issue with refrigeration
[03:16:20.380 --> 03:16:26.460]  because of the unusual issue about how unusually cold it had to be kept. But it's also, it seems
[03:16:26.460 --> 03:16:31.020]  like the Japanese are a little bit more open and honest about some of these things. They were the
[03:16:31.020 --> 03:16:38.780]  first ones to report about the bio-distribution issues. And that was something that people
[03:16:38.780 --> 03:16:43.020]  reported on that got severely punished in the West, but they reported it in Japan.
[03:16:43.980 --> 03:16:49.100]  Exactly. I'm thankful for that information because we didn't know the bio-distribution.
[03:16:49.100 --> 03:16:53.500]  We were told lies, and I think that they were bold-faced lies. I don't think that they were
[03:16:53.500 --> 03:16:59.180]  just mistakes or misspeaking. I think those people had the distribution. They did animal studies.
[03:16:59.180 --> 03:17:05.820]  Surely, they had the distribution information at that time. In fact, what was leaked in Japan
[03:17:05.820 --> 03:17:11.820]  was a Pfizer document. Yes, yes. Got another question here from Karen Carpenter, 27, with
[03:17:11.820 --> 03:17:17.820]  Nights of the Storm. She says, question, please comment on Susan Monarez and the vaccine safety
[03:17:17.820 --> 03:17:26.540]  data link. Is the VSD accessible for studies? That is a horrible mess. And I think that we
[03:17:26.540 --> 03:17:33.980]  need to apply pressure on HHS. I think we need to apply pressure on Congress to open up the vaccine
[03:17:33.980 --> 03:17:43.420]  safety data link. The vaccine safety data link is an ongoing record of about 10 million patients
[03:17:43.980 --> 03:17:49.500]  enrolled in 10 different HMOs. It's all de-identified, anonymized, so you can't
[03:17:49.500 --> 03:17:56.940]  figure out what patient is what. You can't get any type of identity information from that. But
[03:18:01.900 --> 03:18:10.380]  Dr. Daskalakis, I forget his first name, he hid, literally hid and then bragged about hiding
[03:18:10.460 --> 03:18:15.580]  the vaccine safety data link from Secretary Kennedy for the first seven months that Secretary
[03:18:15.580 --> 03:18:23.980]  Kennedy was in office. And then Dr. Daskalakis then ended up resigning in protest with Monarez.
[03:18:24.780 --> 03:18:28.940]  Now we know it's there. Now we know that the vaccine safety data link is there,
[03:18:28.940 --> 03:18:35.820]  but there are contractual hiccups that keep anybody from getting data from 2002 on. We
[03:18:35.820 --> 03:18:41.420]  do not have that information. And we need to demand that information because there are so
[03:18:41.420 --> 03:18:46.060]  many different things. There are so many different vaccines that were introduced that have never been
[03:18:46.060 --> 03:18:51.980]  adequately studied. There are even unvaccinated individuals in the vaccine safety data link
[03:18:51.980 --> 03:18:57.180]  because it's not required. The patient enrollment doesn't require vaccination.
[03:18:57.180 --> 03:19:03.260]  So I know they have tens of thousands of records for individuals that have never seen a vaccine.
[03:19:04.220 --> 03:19:10.300]  So we need all that information. Monarez was hiding it. Daskalakis was hiding it. It should
[03:19:10.300 --> 03:19:18.860]  go to jail. And now the head of the Immunization Safety Office, I believe his name is Mike McNeill,
[03:19:18.860 --> 03:19:26.780]  is stonewalling to allow Secretary Kennedy and his advisors to get access to that data. Again,
[03:19:26.780 --> 03:19:31.340]  it's deep state gurus that have been there forever. They're hiding this information. It
[03:19:31.340 --> 03:19:36.140]  needs to come open. Well, again, it's the sort of thing in another field that I was working in.
[03:19:36.140 --> 03:19:43.900]  We were trying to get climate data from Dr. Michael Mann, and it was something that he had done
[03:19:44.540 --> 03:19:50.300]  at a public university on their work computers. And he had published the information,
[03:19:50.300 --> 03:19:54.700]  and it had been used to create public policy. But he absolutely refused to show us the data.
[03:19:54.700 --> 03:19:59.420]  When I see something like that, same type of thing that we're seeing with Susan Monarez and the CDC
[03:20:00.140 --> 03:20:09.180]  trying to hide this vaccine safety data, that is an admission of guilt. Science is not on your side.
[03:20:09.180 --> 03:20:13.740]  If you are afraid to show people the data and you just want them to do what you say because
[03:20:13.740 --> 03:20:18.540]  of the position you're in, that is the antithesis of science. I've got another question here from
[03:20:18.540 --> 03:20:23.660]  Gard Goldsmith of Liberty Conspiracy said, I wonder if the doctor has any knowledge of breakthroughs
[03:20:23.660 --> 03:20:29.020]  for long COVID. I still search, finding some interesting hope. What do you think about that?
[03:20:30.380 --> 03:20:37.740]  I am not a practitioner, and I know many, many good practitioners that are starting to have
[03:20:38.940 --> 03:20:48.620]  breakthroughs using different cocktails of antivirals, antiparasitics, and antibiotics.
[03:20:50.620 --> 03:20:59.340]  That's where I'm hearing the success. David, I thought I'd never hear myself saying this,
[03:20:59.420 --> 03:21:06.540]  there are also individuals that are using hypochlorous solutions. It's not bleach.
[03:21:06.540 --> 03:21:14.540]  Everybody says, oh, it's bleach. These are very, very safe solutions. They're doing
[03:21:15.500 --> 03:21:21.820]  nasal lavage on patients. That is helping clear the virus. That's helping clear the spike.
[03:21:21.820 --> 03:21:35.500]  There are myriad recipes. Homeopathy, I'm hearing from those practicing
[03:21:36.540 --> 03:21:43.500]  natural paths and homeopaths are having really, really good success with long COVID and COVID
[03:21:43.500 --> 03:21:51.500]  vaccine injury. Follow the rule that, try it, do one thing at a time, see if it works,
[03:21:51.500 --> 03:21:57.180]  if it doesn't work, ditch it and move on to the next thing. Because you shouldn't suffer.
[03:21:57.180 --> 03:22:01.820]  We've brought my son a tremendous amount of way with his vaccine injury that he sustained
[03:22:01.820 --> 03:22:07.420]  at 15 months. My house is the house of many clinical trials, whether it's allopathic,
[03:22:07.420 --> 03:22:14.140]  whether it's naturopathic, where it comes from, I honestly don't care. If it's effective,
[03:22:14.140 --> 03:22:17.820]  you need to use it. If it's not effective, then move on.
[03:22:17.900 --> 03:22:23.660]  I agree. I look at it and if it's something that is not going to be harmful, I'll try it.
[03:22:23.660 --> 03:22:27.980]  How much does it cost? I'll buy it. Going back to the old song from the 1970s.
[03:22:29.180 --> 03:22:33.500]  Let me ask you about what's going on with autism because I know that you spent a lot of time with
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[03:23:35.740 --> 03:23:40.380]  I'm looking at this Tylenol thing. To me, it looks like a red herring. It looks like they're
[03:23:40.380 --> 03:23:45.660]  trying to dodge the connection for the vaccine stuff. What is your take on that? I mean, I just
[03:23:45.660 --> 03:23:53.340]  don't see that Tylenol has corresponded. Uptake in Tylenol has changed radically.
[03:23:54.620 --> 03:24:00.540]  That would explain the radical change in autism. I just don't buy that at all. What do you think
[03:24:00.540 --> 03:24:06.540]  about that? What do you think is that? Well, I think, you know, I've done a lot of research
[03:24:06.540 --> 03:24:14.940]  on this and spent a lot of time with the lead researcher in that whole field of acetaminophen,
[03:24:14.940 --> 03:24:20.220]  neurodevelopmental disorders and autism. His name is William Parker. You know, I actually sat down
[03:24:20.220 --> 03:24:27.340]  with him for five days and said, look, convince me, you know, because he was hounding me about this.
[03:24:27.340 --> 03:24:35.100]  And so the thing that's really convenient about Tylenol is that it is a quick solution
[03:24:35.580 --> 03:24:43.020]  to a not so quick problem. And I think that, yeah, there are cases that are definitely associated
[03:24:43.660 --> 03:24:49.180]  with some type of infection, some type of vaccination, followed by acetaminophen,
[03:24:49.820 --> 03:24:57.340]  definitely, you know, sort of a one-two punch. But Tylenol itself is a necessary component,
[03:24:57.340 --> 03:25:03.420]  but it's not sufficient. You can't just say, oh, you know, Tylenol is bad. It is the individuals
[03:25:03.420 --> 03:25:10.460]  that have genetic susceptibility that then have a huge amount of oxidative stress like multiple
[03:25:10.460 --> 03:25:16.700]  vaccines all at the same time. And then you add Tylenol to the mix. That's really the perfect
[03:25:16.700 --> 03:25:23.100]  storm. So you can't just take care of one and say, oh, we've broken the chain. All of them need to
[03:25:23.100 --> 03:25:28.860]  be taken care of. All of them need to be addressed. I think that the administration came out with
[03:25:28.940 --> 03:25:35.580]  regarding Tylenol because they thought it's an easy fix. But, you know, it is we didn't get here
[03:25:35.580 --> 03:25:42.220]  just from Tylenol. We got here from years of abuse of the system. And that needs to be a
[03:25:42.220 --> 03:25:48.860]  fix. And then we can see the autism epidemic go away. That's good. Yeah. I feel like, you know,
[03:25:48.860 --> 03:25:53.260]  when you look at this, it seemed to coincide with a rapid escalation of the vaccine schedule.
[03:25:53.260 --> 03:25:58.620]  And what is going on with that? You know, what is happening with that? I know you were involved
[03:25:58.700 --> 03:26:03.180]  with the measles issue, you know, where they said a couple of people died
[03:26:03.180 --> 03:26:07.180]  in Texas and you investigated that with the families. I know the media is still selling
[03:26:07.180 --> 03:26:12.540]  that narrative. I think you effectively debunked that that was what had happened there. Yeah. Yeah.
[03:26:12.540 --> 03:26:18.300]  They died of bacterial pneumonia that was left untreated. Yes. But I'm still seeing mainstream
[03:26:18.300 --> 03:26:24.060]  articles say, oh, they killed two people and so forth. And, you know, so what are the chances of
[03:26:24.060 --> 03:26:29.580]  us pulling back on this vaccine schedule? I know that it's tremendous support within the
[03:26:29.580 --> 03:26:34.700]  bureaucracy and the corporations and the media. And I guess that's another part of it. What's
[03:26:34.700 --> 03:26:39.820]  going to happen with the ads? The issue with that? I know that RFK Jr. has talked about that.
[03:26:40.780 --> 03:26:46.300]  Well, my hope is that, you know, direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising will
[03:26:46.300 --> 03:26:51.980]  go by the wayside. I mean, it's gotten ridiculous. It is absolutely, you know,
[03:26:51.980 --> 03:26:58.460]  inane. I watch news and old people TV. So, you know, my wife is a serial addict to the Hallmark
[03:26:58.460 --> 03:27:04.620]  Channel. And so it's all the drugs, biologics and vaccines that you can push on old people.
[03:27:04.620 --> 03:27:12.700]  Yeah. You know, every day, every ad, it is very infrequent that you see anything else.
[03:27:12.700 --> 03:27:17.980]  And so those need to be pulled. They and I believe that Secretary Kennedy is working
[03:27:17.980 --> 03:27:23.740]  stepwise to get there. I believe that they're de facto fraudulent, you know, in the sense that,
[03:27:23.740 --> 03:27:27.980]  you know, ask your doctor. Well, you're not, you don't understand that they're not giving
[03:27:27.980 --> 03:27:32.860]  you all the information that you need to make an informed decision. And so it is really fraudulent
[03:27:32.860 --> 03:27:38.780]  what they're putting out there, even if they have somebody rattling off very rapidly all the adverse
[03:27:38.780 --> 03:27:44.780]  effects that they are going to talk about. It's still not sufficient to be truthful, I think.
[03:27:44.780 --> 03:27:50.700]  No, no, it doesn't tell you how effective that particular therapy is. It doesn't tell you
[03:27:50.700 --> 03:27:56.540]  how effective the vaccine is at preventing that particular disease. I mean, we see,
[03:27:56.540 --> 03:28:04.380]  you know, over and over again, RSV shingles, pneumonia, you know, flu over and over again,
[03:28:04.380 --> 03:28:08.460]  but they don't, you know, the dirty little secret is some years that when you get the flu shot,
[03:28:08.460 --> 03:28:12.860]  you're more likely to get the flu than if you didn't get the flu shot.
[03:28:13.020 --> 03:28:16.540]  Oh, yeah. And so, you know, I've seen that over and over again,
[03:28:16.540 --> 03:28:20.700]  almost pretty much every year. People who get it, they get it right away. Yeah.
[03:28:21.900 --> 03:28:27.900]  And we know individuals that got the trivalent, the quadrivalent flu shot got them for their babies
[03:28:27.900 --> 03:28:33.100]  and the babies died within hours. I mean, we're investigating several cases of SIDS right now
[03:28:33.100 --> 03:28:39.340]  that were the quadrivalent flu shot. And it's just, it's such a shame, you know,
[03:28:39.340 --> 03:28:45.500]  when you see these babies die. Yes. And then, you know, the entire system
[03:28:45.500 --> 03:28:49.340]  is there to cover it up. We want to be able to expose it.
[03:28:49.340 --> 03:28:53.900]  That's just terrific. Yeah, I've played a clip several times of a lady that was on social media
[03:28:53.900 --> 03:28:58.540]  and she said it wasn't until she saw the sudden adult death syndrome stuff that was out there
[03:28:58.540 --> 03:29:03.020]  that it clicked with her. And she said, I killed my baby. And I said so many times,
[03:29:03.020 --> 03:29:06.780]  I wish I could talk to her. She didn't kill her baby. There's people who lied to her,
[03:29:07.340 --> 03:29:12.060]  people who knew better, who killed her baby for money. That's the saddest thing about it.
[03:29:12.060 --> 03:29:17.180]  I've got a couple more comments here. Real Jason Barker with Nights of the Storm said,
[03:29:17.180 --> 03:29:23.340]  the CDC took down the publicly available tools that show excess death spikes after the vaccine
[03:29:23.340 --> 03:29:27.900]  rollout. That's very damning info right there. And replied to a person who said, I can't even
[03:29:27.900 --> 03:29:33.820]  get the excess death statistics anymore. I could in 2022 for every year since it started to be
[03:29:33.820 --> 03:29:39.260]  recorded. What's going on with that? And do you have that information there at covidindex.science?
[03:29:40.700 --> 03:29:46.300]  That has been pulled down. And I believe that that's addressed in covidindex.science. We do
[03:29:46.300 --> 03:29:52.140]  not have the new data regarding excess deaths. And it is weird because I published on excess
[03:29:52.140 --> 03:29:59.180]  deaths in DMED, the Department of Defense Medical Epidemiological Database. I published on excess
[03:29:59.180 --> 03:30:09.580]  deaths in 2022 from the rollout of the vaccine. And all of a sudden, all this stuff just dried
[03:30:09.580 --> 03:30:16.860]  up. CDC was no longer reporting excess deaths on their website. There's so many show games.
[03:30:18.060 --> 03:30:23.100]  You go to the National Center for Health Statistics. They never say flu deaths. They always say
[03:30:23.100 --> 03:30:28.140]  influenza and pneumonia. They combine those two categories so people will get scared and get
[03:30:28.140 --> 03:30:33.980]  their flu shots even though they're not effective at preventing death, preventing serious illness,
[03:30:33.980 --> 03:30:39.580]  and many times not even effective at doing the flu. So yeah, a lot of those databases are pulled
[03:30:39.580 --> 03:30:48.300]  down. I do encourage any and everybody to FOIA the CDC for specific information. It's as simple
[03:30:48.300 --> 03:31:00.300]  as an email. Just FOIArequest.cdc.gov, put very concise language of what you want,
[03:31:01.100 --> 03:31:08.380]  limit the ask to specific information, and then by law they have to respond to you within 30 days.
[03:31:08.380 --> 03:31:13.580]  Yeah, I remember when they did that with the Defense Department's database of DMED stuff.
[03:31:13.580 --> 03:31:17.180]  I remember there were some doctors that saw how things were exploding in a lot of different areas.
[03:31:17.900 --> 03:31:23.100]  And their absurd reply was, well, not that there was something going on with the vaccine,
[03:31:23.100 --> 03:31:26.860]  but they went back and they looked at it. They compared it over five years. They said,
[03:31:26.860 --> 03:31:32.940]  well, all of our data for five years is wrong. And it's like, come on. And then the next thing,
[03:31:32.940 --> 03:31:39.100]  they pulled it all down. I mean, if this isn't the most juvenile cover-up, it's just absolutely
[03:31:39.100 --> 03:31:44.140]  amazing. It would be comical if it wasn't so horrific what it's doing to people's lives.
[03:31:45.100 --> 03:31:50.540]  I've got, let's see, Bulldog says they could have very specifically targeted people by lot number.
[03:31:50.540 --> 03:31:57.820]  Yeah, they could. S.G. Sutton, can Dr. Hooker tell us about the volunteer opportunity with the COVID
[03:31:57.820 --> 03:32:06.940]  index? Oh, that is so good. That is such a great question. If you look at the COVIDindex.science,
[03:32:07.180 --> 03:32:14.700]  there is a box that you can click on to volunteer. And these volunteers, they're basically
[03:32:15.340 --> 03:32:21.340]  individuals that go out and they get new information, newly published information for
[03:32:21.340 --> 03:32:28.060]  the COVID index. They curate it. It's very, very simple. You fill out a very, very simple form.
[03:32:28.620 --> 03:32:35.740]  And then once you fill out that form, then it goes to a very small committee. And then they
[03:32:35.740 --> 03:32:40.940]  give you thumbs up or thumbs down like, oh yeah, this should go on the COVIDindex. About 95% of it
[03:32:40.940 --> 03:32:46.540]  does go into the index. But that helps us keep it up to date. We have an army of volunteers that
[03:32:46.540 --> 03:32:53.580]  does that. And we're recruiting more volunteers. You get free COVIDindex merch. You get free
[03:32:53.580 --> 03:32:59.500]  CHD merch. And we love our volunteers. I know there's a lot of people out there that want to
[03:32:59.500 --> 03:33:05.340]  help that are really studious and nerdy like me. And they like to read this literature. And so
[03:33:06.140 --> 03:33:11.020]  if that is your vibe, if that's the thing that you'd like to do, make sure that you check out
[03:33:11.020 --> 03:33:17.500]  that volunteer opportunities tab on COVIDindex.science. That's great. That's great.
[03:33:17.500 --> 03:33:23.260]  And again, yeah, COVIDindex.science and they have, I guess most of them are one minute videos that
[03:33:23.260 --> 03:33:27.500]  you can just very easily click on a thing and share it on social media. Get this information
[03:33:27.500 --> 03:33:32.940]  around. That's the most important thing. People are not informed or they're misinformed about
[03:33:32.940 --> 03:33:37.580]  what's going on here. And so it's very important to get those videos that they've put together
[03:33:37.580 --> 03:33:41.340]  out there. I got one more question here from Karen Carpenter over the nights of the storm says,
[03:33:41.340 --> 03:33:48.620]  does Dr. Hooker think that ultrasound and wifi, EMF, could play a role in autism? What do you
[03:33:48.620 --> 03:33:54.860]  think about that? I absolutely believe that it plays a role in autism. A lot of autism researchers
[03:33:54.860 --> 03:34:00.940]  have looked into this and they find statistically significant correlations with EMF.
[03:34:01.660 --> 03:34:08.940]  You know, there was very little reason for 5G. 5G is basically there for surveillance purposes,
[03:34:10.620 --> 03:34:14.780]  not so you can have better internet, but so the government can know more about you.
[03:34:16.060 --> 03:34:22.460]  And so you look at all these, you know, new technologies, the internet of things. So,
[03:34:22.460 --> 03:34:28.380]  you know, my phone can talk to my computer, my refrigerator, and, you know, my ironing board
[03:34:28.380 --> 03:34:36.940]  or whatever. That is producing energetic signals. It's producing energetic signals
[03:34:36.940 --> 03:34:43.100]  in the IR range, in the, you know, in the microwave range. And that is bad for you.
[03:34:43.100 --> 03:34:50.140]  I mean, there's nothing good about it. I mean, if I had my choice, my own house would be hardwired.
[03:34:51.100 --> 03:34:55.980]  But what we do is we turn off our devices and wifi at night and have just like an old clock
[03:34:56.620 --> 03:35:01.900]  that tells us the one that you have to change during daylight things. And just tells us what
[03:35:01.900 --> 03:35:08.460]  time it is. You know, just sleep with it off. Just start with turning your wifi off because there
[03:35:08.460 --> 03:35:14.380]  is a connection. I don't believe that it's completely causal, but there is a connection
[03:35:14.380 --> 03:35:22.380]  with wifi and with excitatory, excited, toxic processes in the brain. And you don't want to
[03:35:22.380 --> 03:35:27.660]  stimulate that. I agree. I mean, when I was going back trying to do some research on Monsef Slaoui,
[03:35:28.380 --> 03:35:32.940]  I found all these different conferences that he was speaking at, Fauci was speaking at,
[03:35:32.940 --> 03:35:37.420]  and Francis Collins was speaking at. And they were all talking about electroceuticals. And I
[03:35:37.420 --> 03:35:41.340]  thought, well, this is going to be the next big thing, electroceuticals. So it's like, okay,
[03:35:41.340 --> 03:35:46.780]  well, if you're going to treat people electrically with things like that, then clearly EMF is going
[03:35:46.780 --> 03:35:53.340]  to have a big effect on people. Yeah, it's a tacit admission, isn't it? That EMF does have an
[03:35:53.340 --> 03:36:01.420]  effect. If we can manipulate it to do some type of medical intervention, then what is it doing
[03:36:01.420 --> 03:36:08.380]  every day? Yes, exactly. And we had Alan Fry who worked for the Navy doing experiments, and he
[03:36:08.380 --> 03:36:13.900]  documented the Fry effect, which you can, certain frequencies, you'll hear it like a clicking type
[03:36:13.900 --> 03:36:19.420]  of thing, you know, just like we had, you know, the military discovered microwave cooking, you
[03:36:19.420 --> 03:36:23.260]  know, the radar ranges of a manna in the early days, you know, then just notice that the coffee
[03:36:23.260 --> 03:36:28.460]  was getting hot. Well, if you see something like that, there's a little bit of smoke there,
[03:36:28.460 --> 03:36:32.860]  there's got to be a fire there somewhere as well, I think. I started looking at that in conjunction
[03:36:32.860 --> 03:36:36.460]  with the Havana effect that was out there, because people were saying they were hearing
[03:36:36.460 --> 03:36:39.900]  a clicking stuff. It's like, oh, wait a minute, that sounds like the Fry effect. Maybe that is
[03:36:39.900 --> 03:36:45.180]  some kind of directed EMF. Not sure. And I got another question here, just about out of time.
[03:36:46.380 --> 03:36:51.100]  This is from Jerry Alatalo. He says, please ask Dr. Hooker how he felt immediately after listening
[03:36:51.100 --> 03:36:58.140]  closely to DARPA-associated neuroscientist James Gandaro's horrifying public lectures. Thank you.
[03:36:59.740 --> 03:37:09.180]  You know, that one stumped me. I know of those lectures. I just don't know enough about those
[03:37:09.180 --> 03:37:16.940]  lectures. I apologize. I should know this information. And my defense is that we're
[03:37:16.940 --> 03:37:20.380]  playing whack-a-mole with everything right now. That's right. There's so many. I mean,
[03:37:20.380 --> 03:37:24.940]  these people have billion dollar budgets and they're constantly coming up with one bizarre
[03:37:24.940 --> 03:37:31.420]  Frankenstein experiment after the other. It truly is a scary situation that we find ourselves in
[03:37:31.420 --> 03:37:35.980]  this particular time. It is an interesting time and it is a very dangerous time. But thank you
[03:37:35.980 --> 03:37:41.260]  so much for the work that you do at Children's Health Defense and for the COVIDindex.science.
[03:37:41.260 --> 03:37:45.260]  Thank you, Dr. Hooker. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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