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[01:07.700 --> 01:10.400] Joining us now, it's always a pleasure to have Eric on.
[01:10.400 --> 01:12.400] It's been too long since we talked.
[01:12.400 --> 01:16.600] Eric Peters of ericpetersautos.com.
[01:16.600 --> 01:20.800] A real soulmate when it comes to the issues of liberty
[01:20.800 --> 01:24.300] and mobility, as these companies like to call it.
[01:24.300 --> 01:27.100] But, you know, it's really driving cars is what we think of.
[01:27.300 --> 01:28.600] We think of mobility.
[01:28.600 --> 01:32.100] I'm not looking at getting into some self-driving taxi.
[01:32.100 --> 01:35.100] And I'm not looking at, I don't think of that as mobility.
[01:35.100 --> 01:38.600] I think of mobility as being able to use a car to go where I want,
[01:38.600 --> 01:41.900] when I want, and not have to follow a schedule
[01:41.900 --> 01:43.700] from some mass transportation thing,
[01:43.700 --> 01:48.400] or get into a car that's owned by these corporate conglomerates.
[01:48.400 --> 01:50.100] But thank you for joining us, Eric.
[01:50.100 --> 01:51.800] Oh, thank you, David. I always enjoy being here.
[01:51.800 --> 01:53.700] And by the way, whenever I hear that word mobility,
[01:53.700 --> 01:55.700] I almost think of people in wheelchairs.
[01:55.800 --> 01:58.700] I'm a hard guy. I enjoy driving.
[01:58.700 --> 02:00.600] Well, they want to break our legs, don't they?
[02:00.600 --> 02:03.000] I mean, they sure seem to want to.
[02:03.000 --> 02:04.100] And it's really something, you know,
[02:04.100 --> 02:07.100] when I think about how this country has changed in that respect,
[02:07.100 --> 02:09.200] just over the course of the last 40 years,
[02:09.200 --> 02:11.900] you know, when I was in high school, most guys loved cars.
[02:11.900 --> 02:13.500] A lot of girls like cars, too.
[02:13.500 --> 02:13.900] That's right.
[02:13.900 --> 02:16.900] Now, you know, they have succeeded so effectively
[02:16.900 --> 02:19.500] in alienating people from cars. I get it.
[02:19.500 --> 02:21.200] You know, they become appliances.
[02:21.200 --> 02:22.900] They have become soulless.
[02:22.900 --> 02:26.300] And on top of that, they become just impossibly expensive
[02:26.300 --> 02:28.900] for ordinary people to even consider buying anymore.
[02:28.900 --> 02:31.800] So no wonder people are turning off to cars.
[02:31.800 --> 02:34.900] And that's unfortunate, getting us back to this whole idea of mobility,
[02:34.900 --> 02:38.100] which really just means, as you said, being able to just go
[02:38.100 --> 02:41.100] where you want to go without being leashed, you know,
[02:41.100 --> 02:46.400] without having to put your hat, take your hat off and beg for.
[02:46.400 --> 02:49.100] Yeah, there was a song about that, you know,
[02:49.100 --> 02:51.600] got to go where you want to go, do what you want to do.
[02:53.300 --> 02:54.600] What happened to that America?
[02:54.600 --> 02:57.000] Yeah, what happened to that song? We don't hear that anymore.
[02:57.000 --> 03:00.800] It's kind of like the other thing we used to say when I was younger,
[03:00.800 --> 03:02.900] people would say, somebody say, can I do this?
[03:02.900 --> 03:04.400] And it's like, hey, it's a free country.
[03:04.400 --> 03:06.600] You don't hear anybody say that anymore, do you?
[03:06.600 --> 03:10.700] No, I don't think I've heard anybody say that since probably 9-11.
[03:10.700 --> 03:12.200] It's been 25 years now.
[03:12.200 --> 03:14.900] But that's, you know, at least that's a sign of psychological health.
[03:14.900 --> 03:18.700] At least people aren't so deluded as to think that we still live in a free country.
[03:18.700 --> 03:19.700] That's right.
[03:19.700 --> 03:22.100] But they are deluded enough to think that
[03:22.100 --> 03:23.800] they should make a federal case out of everything.
[03:23.800 --> 03:24.800] That was the other thing.
[03:24.800 --> 03:26.600] Hey, don't make a federal case out of it, you know,
[03:26.600 --> 03:28.200] if somebody's making a big deal out of it.
[03:28.200 --> 03:30.800] But now we make a federal case out of everything.
[03:30.800 --> 03:35.600] Every problem must be solved and managed by government
[03:35.600 --> 03:38.000] and it has to be done by government at the highest level.
[03:38.000 --> 03:41.700] And not even that, but now it has to be done by the president
[03:41.700 --> 03:45.300] who will save us from all evil.
[03:45.300 --> 03:47.000] He's such a messianic figure.
[03:47.000 --> 03:51.600] You know, I was just talking yesterday about this article out of the Atlantic
[03:51.600 --> 03:55.900] and they were talking about a study that was done by some people out of the UK.
[03:55.900 --> 03:59.300] They came to the same conclusions that Strauss and Howe did about the Fourth Turning.
[03:59.300 --> 04:01.600] They went back 5,000 years of history.
[04:01.600 --> 04:06.300] One of the things they said was, you know, the corruption and the decay in institutions,
[04:06.300 --> 04:10.200] but also people start getting very messianic about their leaders.
[04:10.200 --> 04:13.200] I thought, yeah, that's what I see all the time about MAGA, you know.
[04:13.200 --> 04:14.200] It's got to be Trump.
[04:14.200 --> 04:16.600] He's got some special mission from God.
[04:16.600 --> 04:19.400] You know, he's specially anointed and all the rest of this stuff.
[04:19.400 --> 04:20.300] It is truly amazing.
[04:20.300 --> 04:24.700] I mean, they're so desperate for a messiah that they'll even project that onto somebody
[04:24.700 --> 04:26.700] like Donald Trump.
[04:26.700 --> 04:29.200] It's crazy.
[04:29.200 --> 04:30.200] Sometimes it's jaw-dropping.
[04:30.200 --> 04:33.400] I'm a professional writer, so usually I'm not at a loss for words.
[04:33.400 --> 04:38.200] But when it comes to Trump, I often find my jaw hitting the floor and my eyes boggle like
[04:38.200 --> 04:39.200] Cash Patel.
[04:39.200 --> 04:42.700] What am I going to even say about this stuff?
[04:42.700 --> 04:43.700] That's right.
[04:43.700 --> 04:45.500] It truly is amazing.
[04:45.500 --> 04:52.000] Well, you told me when we were just connected and you said there's some interesting news
[04:52.000 --> 04:54.800] about Miata that I don't think I'm going to like.
[04:54.800 --> 04:56.300] What is that news?
[04:56.300 --> 04:58.100] Well, just some background.
[04:58.100 --> 04:59.900] The Miata's been around since 1989.
[04:59.900 --> 05:05.100] They introduced it as a 90 model and it has been for many decades one of the most successful
[05:05.100 --> 05:10.100] models that Mazda has ever brought out because anybody who's driven one will tell you it's
[05:11.100 --> 05:16.200] one of the most enjoyable, fun cars that you can possibly get and drive.
[05:16.200 --> 05:19.600] The problem is that it's gotten to be pretty expensive.
[05:19.600 --> 05:23.100] The current model, 2025, the base price is nearly $30,000.
[05:23.100 --> 05:29.500] To put that in some perspective, back in 1990, it was just over $13,000.
[05:29.500 --> 05:34.700] Now granted, some of that is inflation and some of that, of course, are what I call compliance
[05:34.700 --> 05:40.000] costs, having to have multiple airbags in the things and all of the other stuff that's
[05:40.000 --> 05:43.000] been added to vehicles that has been raising the costs.
[05:43.000 --> 05:46.700] People talk about inflation and of course that's true, but the thing that's important
[05:46.700 --> 05:52.100] to understand is that people's earning power hasn't tracked with the devaluation of buying
[05:52.100 --> 05:53.100] power.
[05:53.100 --> 05:54.300] That's really what inflation is.
[05:54.300 --> 05:59.400] So back in 1990, regular Americans could afford to have two cars or even more.
[05:59.400 --> 06:02.000] They could afford to have the fun car.
[06:02.000 --> 06:06.000] They get the Miata as the weekend car, the track car, the fun day car.
[06:06.000 --> 06:07.200] Summer car, yeah.
[06:08.200 --> 06:11.200] You got to have something that has more than two doors and more than two seats if you've
[06:11.200 --> 06:12.200] got kids.
[06:12.200 --> 06:13.400] You've got a family.
[06:13.400 --> 06:14.900] You're going to need something that's practical.
[06:14.900 --> 06:18.600] So they would buy the practical car for that purpose, but they'd have the Miata for fun.
[06:18.600 --> 06:23.200] Well, now things have gotten to be so tight that most people can only afford one car,
[06:23.200 --> 06:25.100] if they can even afford that.
[06:25.100 --> 06:30.300] So there aren't many people left who can still afford a $30,000 fun car like a Miata and
[06:30.300 --> 06:34.600] a $30,000 crossover on top of that and the cost of insurance and everything else that
[06:34.600 --> 06:35.900] goes along with it.
[06:35.900 --> 06:36.900] So what are they doing?
[06:36.900 --> 06:41.100] Well, when you're faced with the choice between the practical and the fun, most people are
[06:41.100 --> 06:42.700] going to have to pick the practical.
[06:42.700 --> 06:44.300] That's just the way life is.
[06:44.300 --> 06:47.100] So it's not that the Miata has lost its appeal.
[06:47.100 --> 06:52.100] The problem is that there are not enough people anymore who can afford it to sustain the car
[06:52.100 --> 06:54.100] as a viable enterprise for Mazda.
[06:54.100 --> 06:57.500] And so apparently that's why they're thinking about canceling it.
[06:57.500 --> 06:58.500] Wow.
[06:58.500 --> 07:00.000] Well, I got mine.
[07:00.000 --> 07:01.000] Yeah.
[07:01.000 --> 07:06.100] As long as the government doesn't find some way to declare it illegal on the streets,
[07:06.100 --> 07:07.100] I'm okay with it.
[07:07.100 --> 07:08.100] I do have mine.
[07:08.100 --> 07:12.700] And from a practical standpoint, there's this, Eric, groceries have gotten so expensive that
[07:12.700 --> 07:16.500] about all we can fit in the car will fit in the back of the Miata trunk, right?
[07:16.500 --> 07:17.500] Yeah, right.
[07:17.500 --> 07:18.500] It will accommodate your groceries, won't it?
[07:18.500 --> 07:19.500] That's right.
[07:19.500 --> 07:21.500] And there's another facet to this that's kind of interesting.
[07:21.500 --> 07:25.140] An additional rumor is that they're not going to cancel it, but what they're going to do
[07:25.140 --> 07:29.140] is put a hybrid drivetrain into it for the next generation.
[07:29.140 --> 07:32.940] The current car has been out since I think 2016, so it's getting a little old in terms
[07:32.940 --> 07:35.580] of product cycles.
[07:35.820 --> 07:39.340] The reason for that is the reason why you're seeing so many hybrid vehicles now, everything.
[07:39.340 --> 07:43.300] It used to be that there was the Prius and maybe one or two other hybrid cars on the
[07:43.300 --> 07:44.300] market.
[07:44.300 --> 07:48.740] And they were marketed chiefly toward people who really wanted hyper efficiency above everything
[07:48.740 --> 07:49.740] else.
[07:49.740 --> 07:50.740] There's a market for that.
[07:50.740 --> 07:53.660] I wanted to advert your signal about their greenness.
[07:53.660 --> 07:54.660] That too.
[07:54.660 --> 07:57.660] But now you may have noticed if you look at the new car landscape, practically everything
[07:57.660 --> 08:00.260] is hybrid now, to some degree or another.
[08:00.260 --> 08:02.620] It's either a mild hybrid or a full hybrid or something.
[08:02.620 --> 08:05.460] And the reason for that, of course, has to do with the federal government continuing
[08:05.460 --> 08:11.100] to require ever stricter mileage and so-called emission standards, which chiefly means carbon
[08:11.100 --> 08:16.420] dioxide, that awful gas that plants have used to metabolize and produce oxygen for us so
[08:16.420 --> 08:17.420] that we breathe.
[08:17.420 --> 08:22.220] Trump, by the way, today is supposedly going to make an announcement about CAFE, the Corporate
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[08:24.260 --> 08:29.180] And we'll see whether it's any meaningful reduction or simply to kind of riff on Orwell's
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[08:30.180 --> 08:34.580] Remember when the when the people were so happy because Big Brother had decided to increase
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[09:36.340 --> 09:40.620] In fact, of course, it has been decreased for a week or so, you know, what they had been
[09:40.620 --> 09:44.140] hinting at was that they were going to just roll them back or keep them at where they
[09:44.140 --> 09:45.140] were in 2020.
[09:45.140 --> 09:49.360] Well, the reason everything's being hybridized right now is precisely because the only way
[09:49.360 --> 09:54.540] to comply with the 2020 standards was to build these hybrids, which cycle the engine off
[09:55.340 --> 09:59.260] as often as possible and put smaller and smaller engines in cars.
[09:59.260 --> 10:03.980] It's the only way that they can achieve compliance with these federal dictats.
[10:03.980 --> 10:09.380] So unless we see them actually roll back significantly, or better yet, eliminate it altogether, I
[10:09.380 --> 10:11.880] think we're going to see more and more hybrids.
[10:11.880 --> 10:15.340] And we're also going to see fewer and fewer interesting cars like the Miata available
[10:15.340 --> 10:16.340] for people.
[10:16.340 --> 10:21.960] Well, in terms of what Trump is doing, anything less than a complete shutdown of the cafe
[10:22.160 --> 10:27.760] regime is not anything that I would be favorable of or applaud.
[10:27.760 --> 10:32.560] But if they roll it back a little bit, you know, it'll be pushed back with the next one.
[10:32.560 --> 10:40.240] What they really need to do is to go back and change the or get rid of Nixon's EPA and
[10:40.240 --> 10:44.600] take away their power to regulate air pollution.
[10:44.600 --> 10:45.600] Right.
[10:45.600 --> 10:47.880] That is the emission standards.
[10:47.880 --> 10:50.960] That needs to be taken away from the EPA and the EPA needs to be shut down.
[10:50.960 --> 10:53.920] I mean, let's not just stop with the cafe rules.
[10:53.920 --> 11:00.760] Let's get rid of the EPA and let's get rid of this finding that they can they can tell
[11:00.760 --> 11:03.960] us about all these gases, because that is a real fraud.
[11:03.960 --> 11:10.600] We've got EV pollution is being ignored for this fake climate crisis is the headline of
[11:10.600 --> 11:15.240] a WhatsApp.com article.
[11:15.240 --> 11:16.240] And it's absolutely true.
[11:16.240 --> 11:17.800] They ignore the pollution from the EVs.
[11:17.800 --> 11:23.680] But I think the biggest glaring hypocrisy with all of this has in the past been that
[11:23.680 --> 11:28.560] they would ignore the two biggest polluters on Earth, China and India.
[11:28.560 --> 11:33.440] They could make as many power plants as they wanted to and continue to make them, put no
[11:33.440 --> 11:36.560] cleaning devices on them whatsoever.
[11:36.560 --> 11:39.280] And this was supposed to address a global issue.
[11:39.280 --> 11:41.200] Well, how does that address a global issue?
[11:41.200 --> 11:42.340] It's nonsense.
[11:43.020 --> 11:48.460] Now we've had this kind of come home in the sense of the AI data centers.
[11:48.460 --> 11:50.300] They want to put these AI data centers out there.
[11:50.300 --> 11:54.300] So they're obviously not interested in emissions anymore.
[11:54.300 --> 12:00.300] And this has really made outraged a lot of the environmentalists that are out there.
[12:00.300 --> 12:03.220] But it is just another example of how it's a real hypocrisy.
[12:03.220 --> 12:04.580] It's not a real problem.
[12:04.580 --> 12:06.980] It certainly is not existential.
[12:07.940 --> 12:12.500] If it's in their advantage to do it, and it is in their advantage for the AI, because
[12:12.500 --> 12:14.860] that's all about surveillance and control.
[12:14.860 --> 12:16.620] That is the killer app.
[12:16.620 --> 12:19.420] And so they're going to do whatever they have to take.
[12:19.420 --> 12:21.820] And they don't care if we own anything.
[12:21.820 --> 12:23.340] They don't care if we're able to go anywhere.
[12:23.340 --> 12:26.060] And they don't care if we've got any electricity.
[12:26.060 --> 12:28.700] You and I have said that for the longest time.
[12:28.700 --> 12:30.700] They don't even want us to have electric vehicles.
[12:30.700 --> 12:34.940] They don't want us to have electricity, nevertheless, on a car.
[12:34.940 --> 12:36.900] So that's where this stuff is all going.
[12:36.900 --> 12:42.460] But when you talk about the Miata, that is such a perversion of the whole idea.
[12:42.460 --> 12:48.100] The whole idea of the Miata was to make it incredibly light and simple.
[12:48.100 --> 12:50.620] And so a lot of times people talk about modifying the Miata.
[12:50.620 --> 12:53.740] There's a company called Flying Miata.
[12:53.740 --> 12:55.620] And it's kind of interesting what they do with it.
[12:55.620 --> 13:02.940] Since it's such a lightweight car, they would shove in a V8 engine into the Miata.
[13:03.740 --> 13:05.860] And I would read with curiosity about it.
[13:05.860 --> 13:07.420] But it was something that I never wanted.
[13:07.420 --> 13:09.300] Because then you've got to get this heavy transmission.
[13:09.300 --> 13:15.860] And that was one of the nice things about the Miata was how it shifted and very
[13:15.860 --> 13:18.940] responsive and how it could turn on a dime.
[13:18.940 --> 13:24.420] And it was all really about being a momentum car rather than a 0 to 60 car.
[13:24.420 --> 13:30.620] And so if these people are going to put in there all the added weight and all
[13:30.620 --> 13:34.540] the rest of the stuff to make it a hybrid and to make it complicated, to make it
[13:34.540 --> 13:37.660] expensive, they might as well cancel it.
[13:37.660 --> 13:38.340] Well, I agree.
[13:38.340 --> 13:42.420] And it just speaks to the kind of tone deafness of the people who are running
[13:42.420 --> 13:43.220] these car companies.
[13:43.220 --> 13:45.340] You'll see this happening across the industry.
[13:45.340 --> 13:49.340] For example, the Dodge, the people in charge of Dodge, who thought it would be
[13:49.340 --> 13:53.860] a fine idea to take the Challenger and the Charger, which were popular cars,
[13:53.860 --> 13:56.300] sold well, and turn the thing into an EV.
[13:56.540 --> 14:02.180] And not only an EV with a base price that was $20,000 higher than the previous gas
[14:02.180 --> 14:02.620] engine model.
[14:02.620 --> 14:04.580] And they thought that that would sell.
[14:04.580 --> 14:07.100] What I'm trying to get at is that they were showing contempt for their
[14:07.100 --> 14:08.380] own buyer demographic.
[14:08.380 --> 14:09.380] Oh, yeah.
[14:09.380 --> 14:10.380] Or Jeep.
[14:10.380 --> 14:11.660] I'm sure you wear Jeep.
[14:11.660 --> 14:13.300] Jeep is a French company.
[14:13.300 --> 14:18.980] And they have upscaled the Jeeps so much that their market can't afford it.
[14:18.980 --> 14:21.980] People wanted something that was rugged and affordable.
[14:21.980 --> 14:24.620] And that's the same kind of thing they're doing to the Miata.
[14:24.620 --> 14:28.900] Everybody wants to make exactly the same car.
[14:28.900 --> 14:32.140] And they all want to upscale everything because they understand how expensive
[14:32.140 --> 14:32.820] cars are getting.
[14:32.820 --> 14:35.620] And they know that only the really rich can afford this stuff.
[14:35.620 --> 14:38.340] So it's going to become a plaything for the rich.
[14:38.340 --> 14:42.100] Probably, I don't know if it'll be in my lifetime because I'm getting at the end
[14:42.100 --> 14:46.820] of it, but probably in your lifetime, you'll probably see the idea that owning
[14:46.820 --> 14:49.540] a car is like having a private plane today.
[14:49.540 --> 14:50.060] Oh, sure.
[14:50.180 --> 14:55.820] It's going to be a reversion to the early days of the car industry, the car world.
[14:55.820 --> 15:01.340] If you went back to, say, about 1905 or so, the only people who owned a car were
[15:01.340 --> 15:02.900] extremely wealthy people.
[15:02.900 --> 15:07.980] You know, go watch episodes of Downton Abbey, the BBC show about that era.
[15:07.980 --> 15:10.620] Or Toad of Toad Hall, right?
[15:10.620 --> 15:12.100] Yes, because at that time...
[15:12.100 --> 15:14.420] He could afford a car and he didn't really care what the fines were like.
[15:14.460 --> 15:21.220] He was very much like Elon Musk, who opened up a couple of businesses there not too
[15:21.220 --> 15:23.540] far from where he used to live in Texas.
[15:23.540 --> 15:28.420] He had Boring and he had, I think it was, I can't remember, maybe it was SpaceX or
[15:28.420 --> 15:33.260] something, but it didn't have anything to do with the launching thing.
[15:33.260 --> 15:38.500] And he was violating all kinds of rules from the Department of Transportation, as
[15:38.500 --> 15:41.940] well as dumping wastewater directly into the Colorado River.
[15:41.940 --> 15:42.980] He didn't care.
[15:42.980 --> 15:43.980] They kept fining him.
[15:43.980 --> 15:46.180] They gave him the maximum amounts of fines and he didn't care.
[15:46.180 --> 15:47.740] So they said, well, we need to raise the fines up.
[15:47.740 --> 15:48.540] And he's like, well, you know what?
[15:48.540 --> 15:50.020] They raised the fines up.
[15:50.020 --> 15:53.620] It's going to be applied against people who can't afford it.
[15:53.620 --> 15:59.900] And you're not going to be able to raise a fine up high enough to affect Elon Musk
[15:59.900 --> 16:00.900] under any circumstances.
[16:00.900 --> 16:03.140] So he was kind of like Toad of Toad Hall, you know?
[16:03.140 --> 16:03.740] Right.
[16:03.740 --> 16:06.900] You know, here's something to kind of explain the point to people who may not be
[16:06.900 --> 16:08.500] familiar with the history of it.
[16:08.500 --> 16:11.300] It used to be that when you opened the door of a General Motors vehicle, you would see
[16:11.300 --> 16:14.100] this little badge on the sill and it would say, body by Fisher.
[16:14.100 --> 16:14.380] Yeah.
[16:14.380 --> 16:15.020] Do you remember that?
[16:15.020 --> 16:15.420] Oh, yeah.
[16:15.420 --> 16:19.940] And that is something that harkens back to the days of what were called coach-built
[16:19.940 --> 16:21.660] cars before the Model T.
[16:21.660 --> 16:25.140] This is around the turn of the last century or 1900 or so.
[16:25.140 --> 16:29.460] If you wanted a car, you went to a coach builder and you would specify what you
[16:29.460 --> 16:30.820] wanted and it was all custom.
[16:30.820 --> 16:32.220] Everything was made to order.
[16:32.220 --> 16:35.820] And obviously only very wealthy people could afford a vehicle like that.
[16:35.820 --> 16:37.900] So it's a rich man's toy.
[16:38.500 --> 16:42.900] Henry Ford came along and had the effrontery to simplify the thing and to mass
[16:42.900 --> 16:46.860] produce the thing that had common parts that were stamped out and so that anybody
[16:46.860 --> 16:51.180] who worked at a Ford plant could afford a car, you know, and for 100 years
[16:51.180 --> 16:54.900] afterward, people like you and I, regular people, could afford to have a car.
[16:54.900 --> 16:59.620] Well, they're trying to bring us back to that era when vehicles were luxury items
[16:59.820 --> 17:03.260] that only the very affluent people in society could afford.
[17:03.460 --> 17:04.500] It's really despicable.
[17:04.500 --> 17:07.180] And I wanted to mention something else to get back to what you were mentioning
[17:07.180 --> 17:11.140] before about the whole emissions slash climate control fraud.
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[18:13.620 --> 18:17.100] People don't realize that there are EVs that you can get in Europe.
[18:17.100 --> 18:21.100] I did an article the other day about a little car called the micro micro Lina.
[18:21.100 --> 18:22.220] Did you happen to catch that?
[18:22.260 --> 18:25.980] No, I didn't say what the micro micro Lina thought it's cute as a button.
[18:26.020 --> 18:27.660] It's like Boutros Boutros Gali.
[18:27.660 --> 18:29.340] So nice that they named it twice, right?
[18:30.140 --> 18:32.740] What it basically is, is an, is a small electric car.
[18:32.740 --> 18:35.100] That's essentially, it looks just like the old BMW.
[18:35.580 --> 18:39.780] Do you remember the, I said, was that the one that opened in the front?
[18:39.940 --> 18:40.900] Yes, exactly.
[18:41.300 --> 18:44.020] I've actually set in one of those up in Chicago.
[18:44.060 --> 18:44.220] Yeah.
[18:44.220 --> 18:47.140] They had it as a display in a garment store there.
[18:47.340 --> 18:49.780] So the same concept, it's just a little EV.
[18:49.780 --> 18:53.940] It's not designed to go ludicrously fast, you know, it's designed to be an urban
[18:53.940 --> 18:58.140] suburban runabout little car and it costs about $16,000.
[18:58.140 --> 18:59.140] Why can't we have that?
[18:59.340 --> 19:02.740] Well, you know, I attack electric cars all the time, but fundamentally what I'm
[19:02.740 --> 19:06.500] attacking is the way they're being forced on people and the way alternatives are
[19:06.500 --> 19:08.820] being taken away from people, not the EV as such.
[19:09.060 --> 19:12.940] I really don't have a problem with, you know, why can't people buy a $16,000
[19:12.940 --> 19:16.820] basic car if they don't need ludicrous speed, they don't need to go on the
[19:16.820 --> 19:18.220] highway for several hundred miles.
[19:18.380 --> 19:22.220] And the point is like, if we, if it truly is the case that we're facing this
[19:22.220 --> 19:26.260] existential threat, the climate is changing, you know, we're all going to die
[19:26.500 --> 19:28.100] unless we don't drive electric cars.
[19:28.100 --> 19:31.900] Well, why wouldn't they want to encourage these affordable little electric cars
[19:32.060 --> 19:36.940] that people could actually buy as opposed to these elitist cars, these EVs
[19:36.940 --> 19:40.860] that, you know, we're allowed to buy $50,000, $60,000 electric cars, but we
[19:40.860 --> 19:44.540] can't buy the little $16,000 electric car that you can buy in Europe.
[19:44.700 --> 19:49.340] It just speaks to the disingenuousness of the narrative, the way they're trying
[19:49.340 --> 19:52.620] to tell you that, you know, you have to make this transition because if you
[19:52.620 --> 19:55.460] don't, we're all going to die in the climate catastrophe.
[19:55.460 --> 19:56.500] Well, it's nonsense.
[19:56.900 --> 20:01.300] If that were true, they'd be doing everything conceivable to encourage
[20:01.380 --> 20:04.140] these low cost, efficient, simple little cars.
[20:04.180 --> 20:04.660] That's right.
[20:04.700 --> 20:05.700] It was just like the pandemic.
[20:05.700 --> 20:08.180] If they really believed everybody's going to die, they'd let us try some
[20:08.180 --> 20:09.500] alternatives to their vaccine.
[20:09.500 --> 20:12.980] But the plan had been that they were going to lock us down until they got their
[20:12.980 --> 20:16.740] vaccine ready, and then they were going to inject everybody and all the
[20:16.740 --> 20:18.460] companies harmless with what they did.
[20:19.180 --> 20:21.780] But, you know, that was another smoking gun about that fraud.
[20:21.780 --> 20:24.980] But, you know, as you're pointing out these little, little things like that.
[20:24.980 --> 20:27.180] And I remember there was also the Messerschmitt.
[20:27.180 --> 20:27.820] Do you remember that?
[20:27.860 --> 20:30.460] That was featured in Brazil.
[20:30.540 --> 20:32.620] That was the car that the character drove in that.
[20:33.420 --> 20:37.660] I've never seen one of those in person, but I have sat in the BMW Isetta.
[20:37.660 --> 20:38.820] I've sat in that thing.
[20:38.820 --> 20:41.740] But, you know, these things are basically golf carts.
[20:41.820 --> 20:42.460] Just own it.
[20:44.500 --> 20:45.460] Full vibe, you know?
[20:46.380 --> 20:49.500] You know, I mean, back when I was in college, I drove a 74 Beetle.
[20:49.820 --> 20:52.180] Loved the car, but really it wasn't much more than a golf cart.
[20:52.220 --> 20:56.940] You know, it had trouble maintaining 65 miles an hour on anything, you
[20:56.940 --> 20:58.420] know, that was at all inclined.
[20:58.820 --> 21:01.900] That was pretty much, you know, if you had a downhill stretch and the
[21:01.900 --> 21:05.900] wind was at your back, you might be able to get up to about 75 miles an hour.
[21:06.580 --> 21:07.420] It was fine.
[21:07.740 --> 21:08.540] It was cheap.
[21:08.780 --> 21:11.940] It allowed me to get on wheels, you know, so that I didn't
[21:11.940 --> 21:13.340] have to walk or take a bus.
[21:13.900 --> 21:17.500] And that's why I'm kind of so annoyed about the fact that you can't buy new
[21:17.500 --> 21:21.940] vehicles like that little inexpensive EV that's available in Europe, because
[21:21.940 --> 21:25.580] after all, if that thing were on the market as a used vehicle, it would
[21:25.580 --> 21:29.740] probably cost only seven or $8,000, you know, after, you know, after a couple
[21:29.740 --> 21:32.660] of years of depreciation and imagine, you know, you're, you're an 18 year
[21:32.660 --> 21:35.180] old kid and you know, you don't have a lot of money, but you'd like to have a
[21:35.180 --> 21:35.620] car.
[21:36.140 --> 21:39.380] So, you know, here's a car that you could, that would work as your first car.
[21:39.780 --> 21:42.460] And my point is, you know, we're being denied all these alternatives.
[21:42.580 --> 21:47.100] It's no longer the case that the market responds to what people want.
[21:48.020 --> 21:51.380] It's, it's, it's what, it's what the government demands and it's one size
[21:51.380 --> 21:54.220] fits all, and that's why, you know, you hear everybody complaining about, well,
[21:54.220 --> 21:54.940] they all look the same.
[21:54.940 --> 21:56.100] Well, there's a reason for that.
[21:56.340 --> 21:59.140] The reason they all look the same is because they all have to comply with
[21:59.140 --> 22:00.580] the same government demands.
[22:00.820 --> 22:01.300] That's right.
[22:01.660 --> 22:01.860] Yeah.
[22:01.860 --> 22:06.740] You remember, I grew up in Florida and so, the Volkswagen that I aspired to
[22:06.740 --> 22:07.860] have was the dune buggy.
[22:08.500 --> 22:10.940] I didn't care if that was, that was practical or not.
[22:11.220 --> 22:15.580] And then really doubled down with a Thomas Crown affair that had Steve McQueen
[22:15.620 --> 22:16.820] driving one of those, remember that?
[22:16.820 --> 22:19.660] I forget what the company was that put those in, we just called them.
[22:19.820 --> 22:20.020] Yeah.
[22:20.020 --> 22:20.780] The man, that's all right.
[22:21.260 --> 22:24.260] The Manx and we just called them dune buggies for that.
[22:24.260 --> 22:28.540] But Karen's first car was a Pinto and that was another example.
[22:28.540 --> 22:33.940] I remember you talk about how that was your, your rite of passage.
[22:33.980 --> 22:37.540] That was how you knew you were an adult and how you now had freedom.
[22:37.940 --> 22:39.420] It was having the wheels, right?
[22:39.420 --> 22:43.820] And so I remember scrutinizing the stuff and figuring out how much I would have
[22:43.820 --> 22:49.380] to work in order to save up and buy a Pinto before, you know, I was able to
[22:49.380 --> 22:51.020] drive because they were very cheap.
[22:51.020 --> 22:54.380] I remember they were like, you know, $1,400 or something new.
[22:54.380 --> 22:56.220] It was incredible how cheap they were.
[22:56.220 --> 22:59.580] Of course, the dollar was, I had a lot more purchasing power than, than it
[22:59.580 --> 23:05.940] does now, but you know, Karen got one of those, it had rubber mats, you
[23:05.940 --> 23:09.580] know, not, not carpet, of course, hand cranked windows and all that kind of
[23:09.580 --> 23:15.340] stuff, the trunk was so thin that when you drop the trunk, it didn't have a
[23:15.340 --> 23:20.060] hatchback on hers, but it had a little small trunk that was maybe about a
[23:20.060 --> 23:22.660] foot wide or a foot deep, you know?
[23:22.660 --> 23:25.980] And when you dropped it, it just shook.
[23:26.020 --> 23:27.020] It was such thin metal.
[23:27.020 --> 23:30.540] And of course, you know, they were infamous for exploding when they were
[23:31.020 --> 23:35.060] hit in the back, but they cut every corner that they could, including the
[23:35.060 --> 23:37.860] safety equipment to keep it from exploding when it was hit in the back.
[23:38.060 --> 23:42.100] But it was, it was what she needed and she was able to get one used.
[23:42.420 --> 23:46.700] And fortunately for her, before anything happened, if she had an accident,
[23:46.940 --> 23:48.140] somebody stole it from her.
[23:48.140 --> 23:49.140] We were all laughing about it.
[23:49.140 --> 23:50.420] It's like, who would steal this thing?
[23:50.420 --> 23:56.300] Not only was it that, but she had a slow leak in her radiator and I was going to
[23:56.300 --> 24:01.140] fix it over the weekend, but it was like Thursday, she, she goes out to get it in
[24:01.140 --> 24:03.980] the car and she's got her water jug with her that she's going to top it up with
[24:03.980 --> 24:08.020] before she goes to work and the car was gone.
[24:08.940 --> 24:12.460] She called me up and she said, you didn't bring me home last night, right?
[24:12.460 --> 24:13.460] I drove home last night.
[24:13.460 --> 24:14.460] He's like, yeah, that's right.
[24:14.660 --> 24:15.780] She goes, my car is gone.
[24:15.780 --> 24:19.740] It took us a while to actually pinch ourselves and to wake ourselves up to the
[24:19.740 --> 24:21.580] fact that somebody had stolen the thing.
[24:22.580 --> 24:23.740] He was like, who would steal this?
[24:23.740 --> 24:27.620] And everybody jokes that you leave it running with the keys in the car and a bad
[24:27.620 --> 24:31.220] neighborhood or something to get this to happen, but it was transportation.
[24:31.620 --> 24:32.980] And sometimes that's what you need.
[24:32.980 --> 24:35.700] And they don't, they don't want us to have that anymore.
[24:35.940 --> 24:37.020] Yeah, no, everybody needs that.
[24:37.020 --> 24:41.220] You know, we have Coco who was at Ford at the time and who was responsible for the
[24:41.220 --> 24:45.100] Pinto decreed that it would be kept under $2,000 brand new.
[24:45.140 --> 24:47.380] And they managed to do that.
[24:47.700 --> 24:48.300] Think about that.
[24:48.300 --> 24:51.340] Imagine that a brand new car now granted inflation and everything, but still
[24:51.340 --> 24:56.140] $2,000 for a brand new car, meaning that five or six years down the road, cars
[24:56.140 --> 25:00.180] like that were abundant and, you know, on the used car market for kids who didn't
[25:00.180 --> 25:00.940] have a lot of money.
[25:01.020 --> 25:04.820] I mean, I, just like you, when I was that age, when I was in high school, I saved
[25:04.820 --> 25:08.100] the money that I earned from cutting grass and shoveling snow and all that other
[25:08.100 --> 25:09.980] stuff in my McDonald's after school money.
[25:10.220 --> 25:11.340] So I could buy a car.
[25:11.580 --> 25:11.780] Yeah.
[25:11.780 --> 25:16.100] You know, everybody knows that today it's almost impossible for a teenager to work
[25:16.100 --> 25:20.540] a part-time job or cut grass and be able to afford anything as far as a car goes,
[25:20.540 --> 25:21.700] because they're so expensive.
[25:22.020 --> 25:23.500] And that's really tragic.
[25:23.540 --> 25:24.460] It's really sad.
[25:24.660 --> 25:27.820] And it's, it's, it's hurting, not just teenagers who are trying to become adults,
[25:28.100 --> 25:31.060] but people on the lower end of the economic spectrum, they're limited.
[25:31.300 --> 25:32.340] Their options are limited.
[25:32.340 --> 25:34.500] It's not just about, Hey, I want to go for a joy ride.
[25:34.700 --> 25:37.300] If you can't drive to work, your work options are limited.
[25:37.620 --> 25:42.340] If you know, if you can only go wherever the bus goes or the train goes, that means
[25:42.340 --> 25:43.860] you can only get certain kinds of jobs.
[25:43.860 --> 25:46.460] And it probably means you're going to have to live in an urban area, but guess what?
[25:46.460 --> 25:50.140] Everything's more expensive in the urban area than it is farther out.
[25:50.420 --> 25:54.420] So really it's a kind of an assault on the, you know, as it's ironic, isn't it?
[25:54.580 --> 25:58.020] You know, we've heard from the Democrats and the left for years about the plight of
[25:58.020 --> 25:59.580] the working man and the average guy.
[25:59.580 --> 26:02.620] Well, the average guy and the working men are the ones who are most being harmed by
[26:02.620 --> 26:07.140] these things. And now it's leached out farther and it's metastasized and it's
[26:07.140 --> 26:11.940] beginning to make it very difficult for middle class people to have the standard
[26:11.940 --> 26:15.380] of living that so-called working class people had 50 years ago.
[26:15.580 --> 26:20.940] I agree. Yeah. And it's like, what are they, what is their end game with all this
[26:20.940 --> 26:23.940] stuff? Is it just to kill us all or what is it?
[26:23.940 --> 26:28.860] Because it doesn't make any sense that they keep taking everything away from
[26:28.860 --> 26:31.980] everybody. They want to take away our jobs and so forth and put us on universal
[26:31.980 --> 26:33.860] basic income. You know, what is the end game with that?
[26:34.100 --> 26:36.820] It is so antithetical to what Henry Ford was about.
[26:36.820 --> 26:40.220] As he said, you know, we're going to make the cars cheap enough that the people who
[26:40.220 --> 26:43.700] work on the assembly line manufacture them can afford to have one.
[26:44.180 --> 26:46.620] And so, you know, what is the end game for the people?
[26:47.020 --> 26:48.420] They really do hate us.
[26:48.900 --> 26:50.340] It's this concentration.
[26:50.820 --> 26:54.660] And that was the other aspect that these people noticed going back over 5000 years,
[26:55.460 --> 27:01.580] the frustration and the lack of the sense of control of your own life.
[27:01.620 --> 27:06.260] No opportunity and all the rest of the stuff, which is precisely what the agenda is
[27:06.500 --> 27:10.780] for the technocracy and the people who are around Trump that, you know, Peter Thiel
[27:10.780 --> 27:17.500] and these Curtis Yarvin types, they want a society that's going to be libertarian
[27:17.500 --> 27:20.380] for them and authoritarian for us.
[27:20.500 --> 27:22.340] And that's what they're pushing to.
[27:22.340 --> 27:25.260] And it's like, how do you think that that's going to be sustainable?
[27:25.260 --> 27:28.300] People have never put up with that in history.
[27:28.460 --> 27:32.140] So, you know, they may be able to put it in for a short period of time, but I don't think
[27:32.140 --> 27:34.620] it was going to last psychologically.
[27:34.620 --> 27:35.420] It's very interesting.
[27:35.420 --> 27:39.700] And I think part of it is kind of a pathological thing in that it is some people.
[27:39.980 --> 27:45.260] It's not enough to have generational wealth, have enough money, not only for themselves
[27:45.260 --> 27:50.420] to live without any care whatsoever about financial worries, their kids and their kids,
[27:50.420 --> 27:52.780] kids are going to be completely taken care of.
[27:52.940 --> 27:54.060] It's never enough.
[27:54.300 --> 27:55.540] How many billions do you need?
[27:55.580 --> 27:59.060] Elon Musk's net worth is what, 60 billion or something crazy like that?
[27:59.500 --> 28:00.660] I think it's more than that.
[28:00.740 --> 28:01.060] Yeah.
[28:01.660 --> 28:02.780] And it's still not enough.
[28:02.780 --> 28:03.420] They need more.
[28:03.540 --> 28:04.820] You know, it's not enough to have a yacht.
[28:04.820 --> 28:06.580] You have to have two yachts.
[28:06.660 --> 28:09.020] Then you have to have a private jet.
[28:09.020 --> 28:09.860] Then you have to have four.
[28:09.860 --> 28:10.580] The biggest yacht.
[28:10.580 --> 28:12.940] You got to have the bigger than the billionaire next door.
[28:13.340 --> 28:13.700] Yeah.
[28:13.700 --> 28:16.980] And so that it's almost as if there's an element of sadism in it.
[28:16.980 --> 28:19.060] It's not that, oh, I've got something really nice.
[28:19.060 --> 28:24.500] I've got, you know, I've got a Daimler Maybach, but my neighbor, my God, that guy has a
[28:24.500 --> 28:27.820] Chevy Suburban, the guy down there, you know, the guy who cuts grass has a Chevy
[28:27.820 --> 28:28.300] Suburban.
[28:28.460 --> 28:29.700] I don't want him to have that.
[28:29.980 --> 28:30.180] Yeah.
[28:30.180 --> 28:34.460] That's somehow a diminishment that, you know, I feel it's only, it's only, I only
[28:34.460 --> 28:37.180] feel good if I'm the only one who has something nice.
[28:37.220 --> 28:40.820] I think that's part of psychologically what's motivating all of this.
[28:40.860 --> 28:41.300] That's right.
[28:41.700 --> 28:42.900] I think you're absolutely right.
[28:43.100 --> 28:45.580] And that's one of the reasons why they buy things like a Maybach because I'm the
[28:45.580 --> 28:46.820] only one who's got a Maybach, right?
[28:46.820 --> 28:52.140] Or they, they buy a dress or a purse that costs $4,000 or $8,000 or something.
[28:53.100 --> 28:54.700] You know, it's that exclusivity.
[28:55.060 --> 28:59.700] And then there's only so far that you can go with that exclusivity until it's
[28:59.700 --> 29:02.540] necessary for you to exclude stuff from other people.
[29:03.100 --> 29:05.180] And that's really where this is all headed.
[29:05.220 --> 29:05.780] I agree.
[29:06.060 --> 29:10.780] It is really kind of a sickness that's there, but we've always seen that it's an
[29:10.780 --> 29:13.300] addiction that these people have to money, right?
[29:13.300 --> 29:16.060] The love of money, it becomes like a drug to them.
[29:16.140 --> 29:16.900] It really does.
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[30:17.700 --> 30:18.100] Um,
[30:18.180 --> 30:19.980] I got another interesting aspect of this.
[30:19.980 --> 30:24.020] If I, if I might elaborate just a touch, uh, because it's almost a cartoon
[30:24.020 --> 30:27.780] indictment of capitalism, but it's not capitalism because almost all of these
[30:27.780 --> 30:31.260] people in, in almost every case, they are acquiring their wealth through government.
[30:31.460 --> 30:31.980] That's right.
[30:32.300 --> 30:35.980] First thing we talked about when I had you on was your article about
[30:36.060 --> 30:38.620] Elon Musk being the king of crony capitalism.
[30:38.620 --> 30:40.380] And that was more than a decade ago.
[30:40.380 --> 30:41.500] We first talked about that.
[30:41.780 --> 30:44.820] And that, as you pointed out was how he got his wealth.
[30:45.140 --> 30:48.420] I said that earlier in the program, I said, you know, you look at this
[30:48.740 --> 30:53.420] and so many times you see people who are, uh, libertarian or conservative,
[30:53.700 --> 30:58.020] and they want to champion businesses and say business can do nothing wrong
[30:58.340 --> 31:00.100] and government can do nothing right.
[31:00.180 --> 31:02.180] And then the Democrats are the other way, right?
[31:02.620 --> 31:04.060] Government can do nothing wrong.
[31:04.380 --> 31:06.860] Businesses and private companies can do nothing right.
[31:07.260 --> 31:11.340] The reality is that they've merged and that's what so makes it all so evil.
[31:11.740 --> 31:15.780] And they don't see that, you know, they, they imagine that we've got a free market
[31:15.780 --> 31:18.180] or that we have capitalism, but it's not that at all.
[31:18.500 --> 31:23.700] It's this kind of mixture that we see in China and we recognize it in China,
[31:24.020 --> 31:27.060] how they come in and say, well, you're going to have to give us a piece of that.
[31:27.060 --> 31:30.900] But we're, we're seeing that in spades now with, with Trump, you know, he's
[31:31.340 --> 31:37.780] using, um, taking over, buying a share of Intel and, um, using government money
[31:37.780 --> 31:40.780] to start, you know, acquiring assets to own it.
[31:40.780 --> 31:46.100] I mean, that is socialism, Marxism, central planning, all the things
[31:46.140 --> 31:48.100] that Republicans used to oppose.
[31:48.100 --> 31:50.020] They now applaud because Trump is doing it.
[31:50.540 --> 31:50.780] Yep.
[31:50.780 --> 31:52.140] They've so poisoned the well.
[31:52.220 --> 31:56.580] And in addition to that, younger Americans in particular don't know their own history.
[31:56.740 --> 31:57.100] That's right.
[31:57.380 --> 31:59.540] Henry Ford can be considered a capitalist.
[31:59.820 --> 32:04.340] Henry Ford figured out a way to make a better mousetrap and he didn't use the
[32:04.340 --> 32:06.980] government at all to subsidize his business.
[32:07.140 --> 32:09.660] What he did was to make a product that people could afford.
[32:09.900 --> 32:14.820] And a very interesting thing about Ford was that the Model T got progressively
[32:14.820 --> 32:19.060] less expensive with each model year, because he would fine tune it, figure
[32:19.060 --> 32:20.300] out ways to make it cost less.
[32:20.300 --> 32:23.540] And he was able to scale things up and he sold more of them so he could make
[32:23.540 --> 32:26.260] more on volume than on individual unit sales.
[32:26.340 --> 32:26.580] Yeah.
[32:27.060 --> 32:31.180] You know, it was such a boon for average people because it liberated them from
[32:31.180 --> 32:35.820] the yoke of having to be tied to an urban area, to a city, a farmer could
[32:35.820 --> 32:39.100] buy a Ford Model T and he could use it as a tractor, you know, they made it to
[32:39.100 --> 32:42.300] be modular so, you know, you could, you could have it out on the farm and
[32:42.300 --> 32:43.940] gasoline of course was portable.
[32:44.300 --> 32:47.620] So even in the time before there were gas stations, you could bring gas to
[32:47.620 --> 32:49.140] where there wasn't any gas.
[32:49.540 --> 32:53.420] And, you know, we've taken this for granted as a civilization, this idea that
[32:53.420 --> 32:55.020] we can just go where we want to go.
[32:55.340 --> 32:59.860] That was not the case once, you know, it was almost kind of a feudal order where
[32:59.860 --> 33:04.540] you were stuck where you were by circumstances and, and, you know, the,
[33:04.540 --> 33:06.620] the dawn of that age changed that.
[33:06.620 --> 33:10.180] And now we're reverting back to that age and we're being dragged back into it
[33:10.180 --> 33:13.420] because most people just don't appreciate just how good we had it.
[33:13.700 --> 33:15.420] And they might once it's all gone.
[33:15.540 --> 33:16.060] That's right.
[33:16.220 --> 33:16.620] That's right.
[33:16.860 --> 33:20.260] Well, you know, a lot of this comes and I've mentioned many times, there was
[33:20.260 --> 33:25.060] an op-ed piece that really dropped my jaw when I saw it by the CEO of Lyft.
[33:25.620 --> 33:26.380] I can't remember his name.
[33:26.380 --> 33:31.220] I don't know if he's still the CEO, but the guy had been an urban planner by
[33:31.220 --> 33:36.740] education and so he loved cities and he said cities are the best invention of
[33:36.780 --> 33:39.180] mankind and cars are the worst invention.
[33:39.780 --> 33:43.780] And I thought this is just so upside down and backwards.
[33:44.540 --> 33:49.660] Nobody agrees with that in reality because the reason that we have suburbs
[33:50.020 --> 33:54.700] and the reason that we have what these urban planners derisively call urban
[33:54.700 --> 33:58.860] sprawl is because people don't like living all pressed up against each other
[33:59.140 --> 34:03.020] and they're willing to spend time and money so they can get more space around
[34:03.020 --> 34:07.020] them. But they hate that because these urban planners are all about control.
[34:07.180 --> 34:12.940] And we look at Lyft and you look at Uber, you know, they were all about owning
[34:13.180 --> 34:15.860] all of the transportation privately, right?
[34:15.860 --> 34:21.740] And making it kind of a fascist run system, not directly owned by the
[34:21.740 --> 34:27.060] government as if they would own all the buses and the rails and subways like
[34:27.060 --> 34:31.100] that. But the fact that they would partner with government to make sure, you
[34:31.140 --> 34:32.940] know, they do whatever government wants them to do.
[34:32.940 --> 34:37.220] If the government tells them that David Knight can't ride anywhere, they would
[34:37.220 --> 34:38.220] enforce that for them.
[34:38.580 --> 34:42.140] And so they're all about that and that kind of a partnership that we see there.
[34:42.460 --> 34:47.420] And they're all about getting rid of, as Travis Kalanick of Uber used to say, the
[34:47.420 --> 34:52.140] reason our rides are expensive is because of that other dude in the car.
[34:52.700 --> 34:54.260] We're going to get rid of that other dude in the car.
[34:54.260 --> 34:55.700] We're going to have self-driving cars.
[34:55.740 --> 34:56.780] That's where we want to go.
[34:57.060 --> 35:00.460] So who's going to be able to afford to drive in these things?
[35:00.500 --> 35:05.140] Right. Because it's not just one sector with artificial intelligence or robotics
[35:05.140 --> 35:08.260] and everything. They're going for every sector all at once.
[35:08.380 --> 35:09.660] They're trying to reduce this.
[35:10.260 --> 35:14.980] There's an MIT report saying that they could get rid of, I forget how many tens of
[35:14.980 --> 35:17.580] millions of jobs, but it was massive.
[35:17.580 --> 35:19.300] It was like maybe 20 million jobs or something.
[35:19.340 --> 35:23.420] We think we can replace 20 million jobs right now with AI if we get really serious
[35:23.420 --> 35:25.260] about this and we build the data centers.
[35:25.860 --> 35:28.820] Well, they'd love to do that because it'll increase their profit margin, will reduce
[35:28.820 --> 35:32.100] their health care costs. Something else, though, you know, you mentioned how this
[35:32.100 --> 35:39.420] guy, the Lyft guy, says that cities are bad and it's good, but cities are good.
[35:39.420 --> 35:41.580] It's an unconscious confession.
[35:41.700 --> 35:47.900] His subjective value, he personally thinks that cities are great and he personally
[35:47.900 --> 35:53.180] thinks that it's bad to not live in them and doesn't even appreciate that other
[35:53.180 --> 35:54.660] people might have a different point of view.
[35:54.900 --> 35:58.100] And if they have a different point of view, you know, theirs should be stomped.
[35:58.540 --> 36:00.580] They shouldn't be allowed to have their different point of view.
[36:00.820 --> 36:04.860] That's the mentality of the people that we're dealing with.
[36:05.060 --> 36:06.220] They can't live and let live.
[36:06.220 --> 36:08.540] They can't say, OK, I've got a point of view.
[36:08.540 --> 36:10.580] I like living in an urban hive.
[36:10.580 --> 36:11.940] I like living in an apartment.
[36:12.780 --> 36:14.140] You go ahead and live in the country.
[36:14.140 --> 36:15.500] You have the ability if you want to.
[36:15.660 --> 36:20.300] They can't do that. That whole American idea that we used to have of live and let
[36:20.300 --> 36:22.100] live, different strokes for different folks.
[36:22.740 --> 36:27.260] It's just being exterminated by this arrogant one size fits all.
[36:27.260 --> 36:29.420] Everybody's going to do the same thing mentality.
[36:29.540 --> 36:31.740] I agree. Yeah, I like EVs.
[36:31.780 --> 36:33.900] So you're going to use an EV, right?
[36:33.900 --> 36:35.340] I'm going to demand that you use it.
[36:35.340 --> 36:37.060] There's not going to be any other exception.
[36:37.540 --> 36:39.580] Yeah, I've got a couple of comments here.
[36:40.900 --> 36:43.620] Birdhouse Blue says, I don't even recognize the cars today.
[36:43.620 --> 36:44.700] They all look the same.
[36:44.700 --> 36:45.700] That's absolutely right.
[36:46.900 --> 36:47.940] And that's not by accident.
[36:47.940 --> 36:52.060] You know, the reason they all look the same is because they all have to comply with
[36:52.060 --> 36:53.540] the same federal regulations.
[36:53.540 --> 36:57.940] And that greatly limits the ability of designers to come up with anything
[36:57.940 --> 37:00.900] different. Yes, you know, it's kind of like the best way to understand it.
[37:00.900 --> 37:01.660] If you follow.
[37:03.180 --> 37:05.380] Cop racing, they literally have this template.
[37:05.380 --> 37:10.300] It's this this thing that they put over the body of the car that the car has to
[37:10.300 --> 37:13.140] be within those parameters in order to be legal to use on the track.
[37:13.540 --> 37:16.940] So that's why the NASCAR cars all look the same, no matter whether it says
[37:16.940 --> 37:19.140] Toyota or Ford or whatever, they all look the same.
[37:19.780 --> 37:21.940] And that's the reason why when you go to a car showroom,
[37:21.940 --> 37:26.060] pretty much all the cars look like they got stamped out of the same factory
[37:26.060 --> 37:27.820] and a different badge got put on the fender.
[37:27.820 --> 37:29.700] Yeah. Yeah. He also has a comment.
[37:29.700 --> 37:31.020] He says cars used to have character.
[37:31.020 --> 37:32.940] You know, you're talking about that.
[37:32.940 --> 37:36.660] That reminds me of the Superbird and I think it was Richard Petty.
[37:37.220 --> 37:40.100] They did that. Remember that it had and they actually sold that for consumers.
[37:40.100 --> 37:42.220] I had a friend of mine in high school.
[37:42.540 --> 37:48.380] His dad bought him a Roadrunner Superbird and had that long extension on the front.
[37:48.660 --> 37:51.740] And it had like the spoiler on the back that was like five
[37:51.740 --> 37:53.540] feet above the trunk and everything.
[37:53.540 --> 37:56.380] It was crazy that he was driving this around on the road.
[37:56.380 --> 37:57.460] But he could do it.
[37:57.460 --> 37:59.420] You know, it was a 200 mile an hour car.
[37:59.420 --> 38:00.500] Yeah. Yeah.
[38:00.500 --> 38:04.060] And a really cool thing about stock car racing and those that they literally
[38:04.060 --> 38:07.580] were stock cars in the sense that they took a production car, you know,
[38:07.580 --> 38:09.660] and they turned it into a race car.
[38:09.940 --> 38:13.020] Now, the cars that you see on a NASCAR circuit,
[38:13.300 --> 38:17.380] they're all the same tube frame chassis underneath with a with this skin
[38:17.380 --> 38:21.780] on the top that's supposed to vaguely kind of remind you of a Ford or it's
[38:21.780 --> 38:26.940] not anything at all remotely like a car that you can buy at at the dealership.
[38:26.940 --> 38:28.700] Whereas back in the day, like your friend did,
[38:28.700 --> 38:32.940] you could buy basically Richard Petty's car version of Richard Petty's car.
[38:33.420 --> 38:37.380] And that's why they used to say, you know, went on Sunday, sell on Monday.
[38:37.380 --> 38:39.620] And it was true because, you know, you went to the race.
[38:39.620 --> 38:43.460] And if you were a Chevy guy and you watched the Chevy win the race or a Dodge guy,
[38:43.460 --> 38:46.820] whatever, you were happy about that and you wanted to be associated with that.
[38:47.060 --> 38:48.740] So you went and bought that car
[38:48.740 --> 38:50.540] because you thought it was a winner because it won the race.
[38:50.540 --> 38:52.060] And there was truth in that. Yeah.
[38:52.060 --> 38:54.660] Now, you know, motorsports, at least as far as NASCAR goes,
[38:54.660 --> 38:56.140] I know I'm going to get some hate for this,
[38:56.140 --> 38:59.300] but I consider it to be the World Wrestling Federation of Motorsports.
[39:00.140 --> 39:02.340] That's a good way to put it. That's funny.
[39:03.340 --> 39:06.060] Well, I'll tell you, every time I see John in his car, you know,
[39:06.380 --> 39:07.260] he was really nice guy.
[39:07.260 --> 39:10.900] And the funny thing about it, he was not the kind of guy that would show off.
[39:10.900 --> 39:12.340] And he didn't do that with anything else.
[39:12.340 --> 39:15.620] And he was actually I always felt that he was embarrassed
[39:15.620 --> 39:17.180] when people noticed his car.
[39:17.180 --> 39:20.660] So, yeah, my dad brought it for me, but it was so out of character.
[39:20.660 --> 39:21.900] It was amazing. Yeah.
[39:21.900 --> 39:25.020] Those cars, those those those Daytona Superbirds. Yeah.
[39:25.300 --> 39:29.780] Those cars now are hundreds of thousands of dollars to if you want to buy one now.
[39:30.060 --> 39:32.980] Back in the day, when they were available, the dealers, they couldn't sell them.
[39:33.420 --> 39:35.100] A lot of times they would sit on the lot and, you know,
[39:35.100 --> 39:37.740] they would eventually get fire sold to somebody for a budget price,
[39:37.740 --> 39:40.140] because like your friend, people felt a little awkward
[39:40.140 --> 39:43.140] driving around in this thing with this huge wing on the back, you know,
[39:43.140 --> 39:45.060] and that bullet nose that it had on the front.
[39:45.060 --> 39:46.500] Yeah. Yeah. Extended it.
[39:46.500 --> 39:48.340] And it's like, yeah, how are you going to park that anywhere?
[39:48.900 --> 39:52.660] I assume that you didn't use that for your parallel parking driving test.
[39:54.460 --> 39:56.220] But never fit in the parking space.
[39:56.220 --> 39:57.420] It was it was crazy.
[39:57.420 --> 40:00.540] And it was always a lot of fun to see him.
[40:00.540 --> 40:01.500] And I hope he didn't wreck it.
[40:01.500 --> 40:05.420] Maybe if he if he kept it, he's got a lot of money now he could get for that.
[40:05.420 --> 40:09.420] But yeah, as a birdhouse, Blue said also says, I used to buy many used
[40:09.420 --> 40:11.980] cars for 500 or less back in the 80s, even.
[40:12.740 --> 40:13.620] That's true.
[40:13.620 --> 40:15.700] You know, but let's talk a little bit about you got an article
[40:15.700 --> 40:16.660] just came out this week.
[40:17.860 --> 40:19.940] A solution for a created problem.
[40:20.020 --> 40:21.580] Tell us about that. Oh, yeah.
[40:21.580 --> 40:25.300] Well, we all have experienced the frustration of sitting at a traffic light
[40:25.620 --> 40:27.660] and the light in front of us goes green.
[40:27.660 --> 40:30.460] And as soon as you cross the intersection up ahead, there's another light.
[40:30.460 --> 40:32.060] And it just went red. Oh, yeah.
[40:32.060 --> 40:34.940] And so, you know, signal timing, it's a problem.
[40:35.100 --> 40:38.260] But it's a problem that's easily remedied by timing the signals.
[40:38.260 --> 40:40.540] So they're generally speaking on a given stretch of road.
[40:40.740 --> 40:43.580] Most of the lights will go green sequentially in order.
[40:43.580 --> 40:45.260] So that the traffic can flow.
[40:45.260 --> 40:47.140] Well, instead of just doing it the simple way.
[40:47.140 --> 40:51.540] Now, one of these tech bro companies associated with the University of Michigan
[40:51.540 --> 40:56.100] has proposed the fine idea of collating and collecting data
[40:56.100 --> 40:59.260] being transmitted from your car, your GPS data and other data
[40:59.500 --> 41:03.740] so that the system recognizes how many cars are on a given stretch of road
[41:03.740 --> 41:05.700] at a given time, how fast they're moving.
[41:05.700 --> 41:08.620] And they can use AI to coordinate the lights.
[41:08.620 --> 41:12.500] Of course, really, what this is about, again, is monitoring you,
[41:12.500 --> 41:14.380] collecting data about you.
[41:14.380 --> 41:19.580] They swear up and down on a stack of brave new worlds that it's anonymized data.
[41:19.820 --> 41:20.740] But of course, it's not.
[41:20.740 --> 41:23.300] It's only anonymized because they choose it to be anonymized.
[41:23.540 --> 41:25.660] All of this is tied particularly to your car.
[41:25.660 --> 41:29.380] People don't realize, most people don't know that pretty much all cars
[41:29.380 --> 41:32.820] out with it made within the last 10 or 15 years have what they call telematics,
[41:33.300 --> 41:37.020] which means that they are constantly in communication with the hive.
[41:37.020 --> 41:38.700] I call it the hive.
[41:38.700 --> 41:40.900] They're receiving updates. They're transmitting this.
[41:41.260 --> 41:45.220] And you have no consent and no ability to thwart that.
[41:45.460 --> 41:48.340] And it's quite remarkable that there hasn't been more outrage as far
[41:48.340 --> 41:49.700] at least as far as I'm concerned.
[41:49.700 --> 41:53.460] I don't like the idea of my car being like my cell phone
[41:53.460 --> 41:56.300] in that it is controlled by some corporate entity somewhere
[41:56.540 --> 41:59.980] that can decide that it wants to update it, i.e. change it,
[42:00.260 --> 42:03.420] or that it can use this device to track my movements,
[42:03.580 --> 42:06.620] not because I'm a criminal, because I have I don't want people
[42:06.620 --> 42:08.620] knowing where I'm going. It's reasonable.
[42:08.660 --> 42:11.820] You know, I don't feel like I ought to have an ankle bracelet on
[42:12.020 --> 42:14.260] unless I've actually been convicted of a crime.
[42:14.260 --> 42:17.260] That's right. You know, there was an interesting thing reported
[42:17.260 --> 42:18.980] on the last couple of weeks.
[42:18.980 --> 42:21.940] And there was a guy who was pushing back against
[42:22.860 --> 42:27.100] a bunch of statists who were pushing for some new safety devices
[42:27.100 --> 42:29.620] or something to be made mandatory on cars.
[42:29.940 --> 42:34.380] And this is a guy who before he became a politician.
[42:34.820 --> 42:36.100] He used to sell cars.
[42:36.100 --> 42:39.860] And so he decided he would go around and see if these people
[42:39.860 --> 42:42.380] actually had bought these safety devices
[42:42.380 --> 42:43.660] that were optional on their car.
[42:43.660 --> 42:46.900] So he went around and got their VIN numbers for their cars,
[42:47.180 --> 42:50.180] looked it up and found out that these people who are saying
[42:50.180 --> 42:54.020] you absolutely have to have this stuff had declined paying for it
[42:54.020 --> 42:56.380] when they had the option to and were going to use their money.
[42:56.580 --> 42:59.860] So he said, so now you're going to force everybody to buy
[42:59.860 --> 43:03.060] what you chose not to buy when you had the opportunity to do it.
[43:03.540 --> 43:04.980] And their reaction to it was like,
[43:04.980 --> 43:09.380] how dare you get my VIN number and look this stuff up?
[43:09.540 --> 43:10.980] You violated my privacy.
[43:10.980 --> 43:15.060] And this is the most hypocritical thing you can imagine.
[43:15.060 --> 43:17.700] These are the people who are spying on us with everything
[43:17.700 --> 43:19.420] as you point out in our car and all the rest of it.
[43:19.420 --> 43:23.580] But of course, there's also the massive flock network of cameras
[43:23.900 --> 43:26.660] that are out there doing automated license plate readings
[43:26.660 --> 43:30.820] and not just the license plate, but they are creating an ID
[43:30.860 --> 43:34.900] profile of your car looking at the idiosyncrasies of it.
[43:34.900 --> 43:37.820] Does it have a dent on the side or a scratch or this or that?
[43:38.140 --> 43:42.220] And tracking that, literally tracking it for law
[43:42.220 --> 43:44.820] enforcement all the time and doing that as a contract.
[43:45.060 --> 43:46.900] And that is exploding.
[43:46.900 --> 43:51.060] That's a kind of, you know, a public private tyranny
[43:51.060 --> 43:52.700] that we see over and over again.
[43:52.700 --> 43:55.940] And I thought it was just the most amazing.
[43:56.380 --> 43:58.500] I played that clip this couple of weeks
[43:58.740 --> 44:03.100] and the last couple of weeks and the attitude of these people.
[44:03.100 --> 44:07.220] How dare you do this when they are mandating stuff for people
[44:07.220 --> 44:09.540] and they are spying on people all the time.
[44:10.140 --> 44:12.980] It's really interesting to me that, you know, this gets us
[44:12.980 --> 44:16.380] into the subject of the driver assistance technology, which is related to it.
[44:17.900 --> 44:22.340] Why is it that it is made standard equipment now in every vehicle,
[44:22.340 --> 44:26.260] even though the overwhelming majority of people do not want this?
[44:26.500 --> 44:29.540] I can't tell you how many times I get e-mails and comments
[44:29.540 --> 44:31.220] whenever I do shows like yours.
[44:31.220 --> 44:34.540] People say, you know, I despise being parented by my car.
[44:34.540 --> 44:36.900] I don't like lane keep assistance.
[44:36.900 --> 44:39.300] I don't like any of that. I want to turn it off.
[44:39.380 --> 44:40.540] You can't turn it off anymore.
[44:40.540 --> 44:42.140] All you can do is turn it down.
[44:42.140 --> 44:44.540] And it's interesting that these manufacturers who you think
[44:44.780 --> 44:46.540] would not want to alienate their customers.
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[45:50.660 --> 45:53.020] Yeah, well, it's because they want it.
[45:53.020 --> 45:55.980] And then the question is, well, why do they want it?
[45:56.300 --> 45:59.700] And I think the reason is because there's just gradually, piece by piece,
[46:00.580 --> 46:03.780] putting together this system in which you will have no control over your car,
[46:03.780 --> 46:06.300] beyond which beyond what they want you to have.
[46:06.300 --> 46:09.300] So the minute that you go outside the parameters of that,
[46:10.140 --> 46:11.460] you know, the car will correct you.
[46:11.460 --> 46:15.420] And it may get to the point where it just shuts off or it doesn't operate at all.
[46:15.620 --> 46:19.180] If you don't operate it within the allowable parameters.
[46:19.420 --> 46:22.020] And at that point, we might as well just all sign up for a Johnny cab.
[46:22.220 --> 46:25.260] And, you know, which is ultimately, I think, what they really do want.
[46:25.340 --> 46:26.260] It is. It is.
[46:26.260 --> 46:29.060] And that's why these these car companies have been partnerships
[46:29.540 --> 46:33.860] in a partnership with government to add all these expensive add ons
[46:33.860 --> 46:36.020] and all these things that people don't want,
[46:36.020 --> 46:39.740] because it drives the price of the car up and they can charge people for that.
[46:39.980 --> 46:43.420] And but the problem is, is that they've kind of, you know,
[46:43.620 --> 46:46.460] one thing that Vladimir Lenin got right was he said
[46:46.460 --> 46:48.900] the capitalists will sell the rope that's used to hang them.
[46:49.220 --> 46:53.340] And that's what's being used to hang these guys now is,
[46:53.660 --> 46:57.180] you know, they've sold all these safety device ropes to rope you in.
[46:57.660 --> 47:01.300] And now their their cars are so expensive people can't afford it.
[47:01.300 --> 47:05.420] But then, of course, the solution to that is to get even more
[47:05.420 --> 47:08.420] into a relationship and a partnership with the government
[47:08.780 --> 47:12.100] so that they are the providers with this mobility stuff
[47:12.100 --> 47:17.780] that's going to be privately owned, but will be heavily controlled.
[47:17.780 --> 47:21.780] And there'll be, you know, the government will tell them what to do.
[47:21.780 --> 47:24.620] And of course, you'll have the politicians who will get to wet their beak.
[47:25.100 --> 47:28.380] As the mafia people say, it's basically how this is going to operate.
[47:28.380 --> 47:30.060] It's going to be a Chinese model.
[47:30.060 --> 47:32.180] That's why they opened up China, you know, for this type of stuff.
[47:32.180 --> 47:36.380] Inevitably to to speak to your point about not seeing their own self-interest,
[47:36.380 --> 47:39.180] there will have to be a win-win of the number of manufacturers
[47:39.180 --> 47:43.100] because it just doesn't make sense to have as many manufacturers
[47:43.100 --> 47:45.500] as there still are producing essentially the same thing.
[47:45.860 --> 47:48.700] Why not consolidate everything kind of like they did in the Soviet Union
[47:48.740 --> 47:52.620] where you could get a lot of maybe after, you know, after 15 or 20 years
[47:52.620 --> 47:56.580] on a waiting list, it's going to be a tremendous, you know,
[47:56.860 --> 47:59.100] those were your choices back in the old Soviet days.
[47:59.380 --> 48:01.580] And ultimately, I see something like that happening.
[48:01.660 --> 48:04.940] You know, Philip Dick, the great sci fi writer, foresaw this.
[48:04.940 --> 48:07.220] If you read his novel Blade Runner, they don't get into it.
[48:07.220 --> 48:10.140] Or the novel is Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
[48:10.460 --> 48:12.980] The movie Blade Runner is the one that people are more familiar with.
[48:13.340 --> 48:17.340] But in the novel, everything is controlled by what's called the Turrell Corporation.
[48:17.740 --> 48:18.500] Yeah, everything.
[48:18.500 --> 48:20.580] It's sort of like, you know, the Amazon of our time.
[48:20.580 --> 48:24.580] It's just this every single consumer good is made and manufactured
[48:24.780 --> 48:29.860] by this one pyramidal structured massive corporation that controls everything.
[48:30.180 --> 48:33.180] You know, that book decades and decades and decades ago.
[48:33.220 --> 48:37.020] And here we are, you know, very prescient in the way it foresaw,
[48:37.300 --> 48:41.300] you know, what corporatism would turn capitalism into.
[48:41.740 --> 48:44.380] All these dystopian novels have become a manual
[48:45.260 --> 48:46.500] for these people, I think.
[48:46.500 --> 48:48.860] Yeah, you talk about you'd wait for decades for that.
[48:48.860 --> 48:50.900] That was one of the best Ronald Reagan jokes.
[48:50.900 --> 48:52.940] Basically in Russia, right?
[48:52.940 --> 48:56.540] The guy orders on up as a car made, let's just say, as a washing machine.
[48:57.020 --> 48:59.700] And he goes, I will have that for you in 10 years.
[49:00.060 --> 49:02.860] And the guy says afternoon or morning.
[49:04.300 --> 49:06.060] And he says, why do you ask?
[49:06.060 --> 49:06.820] It's 10 years from now.
[49:06.820 --> 49:09.700] He goes, well, because I've got the dishwasher coming in the morning
[49:09.900 --> 49:10.700] 10 years from now.
[49:10.700 --> 49:14.740] It's funny, but it's sad, you know,
[49:15.660 --> 49:18.340] because those of us who can remember the way America used to be,
[49:18.740 --> 49:21.820] you know, never thought America would become like the Soviet Union.
[49:21.900 --> 49:22.260] That's right.
[49:22.260 --> 49:25.940] And yet we're rapidly on our way to becoming exactly that.
[49:26.340 --> 49:29.900] Well, you know, it's even to the extent that you've got a lot of these
[49:30.220 --> 49:32.900] conservative influencers.
[49:32.900 --> 49:36.780] And again, these are not people who are researchers and not reporters
[49:36.780 --> 49:38.900] and not journalists, they are influencers.
[49:39.420 --> 49:40.580] That ought to tell you something.
[49:40.580 --> 49:44.620] But they're out there trying to rehabilitate Richard Nixon, of all people,
[49:46.100 --> 49:50.420] our 55 mile an hour guy who created the EPA and so many other issues out there.
[49:50.740 --> 49:53.660] And he opened us up to China and he set us down on this path.
[49:53.660 --> 49:56.340] And I said, you know, think about it, conservatives,
[49:56.340 --> 49:59.820] if you like Richard Nixon, you got to like Henry Kissinger,
[49:59.820 --> 50:02.060] Mr. Globalism himself, you know.
[50:02.060 --> 50:05.540] But it's amazing how this is all, you know,
[50:05.620 --> 50:08.220] it's a long term plan that they've been operating on.
[50:08.900 --> 50:12.180] You know, with regard to what we talked about at the beginning of the interview,
[50:12.460 --> 50:16.220] the federal fuel economy standards, you know, I think it's the best way
[50:16.220 --> 50:19.300] to challenge that is to say, why is the government involved in that at all?
[50:19.300 --> 50:20.220] Yeah, that's right.
[50:20.220 --> 50:23.980] I mean, what business is it of the government to decree to you or I
[50:24.260 --> 50:27.700] how many miles per gallon a vehicle that we choose to buy with our own money?
[50:27.860 --> 50:31.020] Yeah. Must get where is that in the Constitution?
[50:31.020 --> 50:34.020] And where is the authority for the EPA in the Constitution? Right.
[50:34.380 --> 50:35.780] And it's based on a fatuity.
[50:35.780 --> 50:37.980] You know, the argument is that if the government weren't doing
[50:38.460 --> 50:42.180] this, then the mean old automakers would make nothing but gas guzzling cars.
[50:42.500 --> 50:44.060] And we'd all be at the mercy of big oil.
[50:44.060 --> 50:45.140] It's nonsense.
[50:45.140 --> 50:47.940] Before Cafe came along in the early 70s,
[50:48.060 --> 50:50.740] there were plenty of fuel efficient cars available.
[50:50.940 --> 50:52.540] Yeah. So it's a lie.
[50:52.540 --> 50:54.940] And, you know, these these mandates that are coming out,
[50:54.940 --> 50:57.060] the cafe thing costs you money.
[50:57.060 --> 51:01.180] Yeah, your car gets 35 miles per gallon, but it also costs $40,000 now.
[51:01.540 --> 51:05.020] So you're really not saving any money because you've got this micro engine
[51:05.020 --> 51:09.540] turbocharged hybrid augmented thing with a CBT transmission.
[51:10.180 --> 51:14.020] And, yay, I'm getting, you know, five miles more per gallon than I, you know,
[51:14.620 --> 51:17.900] than the vehicle that costs thousands and thousands of dollars left less.
[51:17.900 --> 51:20.300] But, you know, I guess people just can't do basic math anymore.
[51:20.500 --> 51:22.700] So they buy into this nonsense.
[51:22.700 --> 51:24.540] That's right. Yeah.
[51:24.540 --> 51:28.380] I like the sop ed piece that you put out, the last generation.
[51:28.860 --> 51:30.180] But it's out yesterday.
[51:30.180 --> 51:33.700] You started by saying before the 90s, men drove cars and kids
[51:33.700 --> 51:35.900] rode bicycles without helmets.
[51:35.900 --> 51:38.420] Now men wear helmets to ride a bicycle.
[51:38.740 --> 51:43.020] And kids aren't allowed to ride in a car unless they're strapped in a safety seat.
[51:43.620 --> 51:45.140] You know, that that is the amazing thing.
[51:45.140 --> 51:49.420] You know, Travis just had to get a car seat for their son.
[51:49.420 --> 51:51.660] And of course, you know, they're talking about, well, this is going to last up
[51:51.660 --> 51:54.020] until, you know, whatever the age is.
[51:54.020 --> 51:58.060] And and, you know, they make the cars so that they have
[51:58.700 --> 52:00.820] different inserts that you can put in when they're small
[52:00.820 --> 52:03.420] and they can keep staying in that car seat forever.
[52:03.460 --> 52:06.900] You know, as they get older and older, it's true.
[52:06.940 --> 52:08.500] It's amazing.
[52:08.500 --> 52:09.100] It's terrible.
[52:09.100 --> 52:11.420] And, you know, one of the one of the hidden costs of that, by the way,
[52:11.420 --> 52:13.300] with regard to the safety seat mandate,
[52:13.300 --> 52:16.860] it effectively pushes people to buy a three row SUV at some point
[52:17.340 --> 52:19.580] or a crossover, because if you've got more than two kids,
[52:19.940 --> 52:23.940] you know, it becomes just too difficult to fit the seats in the back of the thing.
[52:24.180 --> 52:24.940] So you need.
[52:24.940 --> 52:28.860] So then you have to move up and buy this much more expensive vehicle.
[52:29.180 --> 52:32.100] You know, I, you know, I just I miss the days.
[52:32.100 --> 52:34.900] You know, when we were kids, you went for a drive.
[52:35.020 --> 52:37.300] Mom and dad, you open the door, just jump in the car and go.
[52:37.300 --> 52:38.500] Yeah. Now you got to go.
[52:38.500 --> 52:41.140] You got to be able to get in the car and get them into the car seat
[52:41.140 --> 52:42.100] and all the rest of the stuff.
[52:42.100 --> 52:44.740] I mean, we just used to the climb in these cars.
[52:44.740 --> 52:45.900] They didn't have seat belts.
[52:45.900 --> 52:48.940] They didn't have padded dashboards or anything.
[52:48.940 --> 52:50.300] We used to joke about it.
[52:50.300 --> 52:53.460] You went to high school, you know, they started putting in the seat belts.
[52:53.460 --> 52:54.980] They weren't mandatory yet.
[52:54.980 --> 52:57.700] And we used to laugh about it and say, yeah, we used to just
[52:58.100 --> 52:58.980] somebody have an accident.
[52:58.980 --> 53:01.180] We just hose the blood off the dashboard and sell the car.
[53:02.060 --> 53:04.300] Sure. You know, I understand that there is an increased risk.
[53:04.300 --> 53:07.620] I know some people listening to us might be appalled at what I'm suggesting here,
[53:07.820 --> 53:09.740] but I think it's gotten to be almost neurotic.
[53:09.740 --> 53:10.780] No, I think it is neurotic.
[53:10.780 --> 53:15.180] It is over the top fear that pervades our society about what might happen.
[53:15.500 --> 53:17.420] You know, heaven for Fenn, you know, you get in a car
[53:17.420 --> 53:19.780] and drive down to the mailbox without your seat belt on.
[53:19.980 --> 53:21.660] You know, you might die.
[53:21.660 --> 53:23.180] This is the attitude that people have now.
[53:23.180 --> 53:25.860] And it's just it's over the top and it's silly. Yeah.
[53:25.860 --> 53:27.940] And it's on a moral level.
[53:27.940 --> 53:30.820] If you're an adult, you don't need to be parented, presumably.
[53:30.820 --> 53:32.100] You're a grown up.
[53:32.100 --> 53:33.820] So ease off. Leave me alone.
[53:33.820 --> 53:34.740] I'll make decisions.
[53:34.740 --> 53:38.860] I'll weigh costs, benefits, risks and reward for myself.
[53:39.260 --> 53:42.180] You have no right to parent another adult. That's right.
[53:42.700 --> 53:46.540] Yeah, they would be absolutely appalled to see what happens in China
[53:46.540 --> 53:48.900] when we were there like 20 years ago.
[53:50.540 --> 53:53.700] You know, you got somebody's the family, they don't have an SUV.
[53:53.700 --> 53:54.420] They don't have a car.
[53:54.420 --> 53:57.580] They got a motorcycle and they just tell the little kids
[53:57.580 --> 53:59.620] that are maybe, you know, four years old, just hang on.
[53:59.620 --> 54:01.900] You know, there's no seat belt.
[54:01.900 --> 54:02.940] There's nothing there.
[54:02.940 --> 54:04.660] Somehow they managed to survive.
[54:04.660 --> 54:07.580] I used to always laugh about the magic school bus.
[54:07.580 --> 54:11.500] So one thing would come on and they would start by saying seat belts.
[54:11.500 --> 54:13.940] Everybody said there's no seat belts on a school bus.
[54:14.300 --> 54:18.020] They cover them with laws and yellow paint to make sure nobody gets hurt.
[54:18.020 --> 54:21.700] You know, it's always great talking to you, Eric. We're out of time.
[54:22.180 --> 54:25.460] I went by really, really fast, as it always does.
[54:25.460 --> 54:28.260] Thank you so much. EricPeters.com.
[54:28.260 --> 54:30.700] Check it out, folks. Great site for news.
[54:31.180 --> 54:32.900] Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Thank you.
[54:43.460 --> 54:45.260] The common man.
[54:47.580 --> 54:50.180] They created common core and dumbed down our children.
[54:50.660 --> 54:53.540] They created common past to track and control us.
[54:53.780 --> 54:57.820] Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing
[54:58.620 --> 55:01.660] and the communist future.
[55:01.660 --> 55:05.380] They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary.
[55:06.340 --> 55:10.860] But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
[55:12.980 --> 55:14.940] That is what we have in common.
[55:14.940 --> 55:17.500] That is what they want to take away.
[55:17.500 --> 55:21.860] Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
[55:22.580 --> 55:27.220] They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us.
[55:28.100 --> 55:31.860] It's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide.
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