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[01:07.640 --> 01:09.200] Joining us now is James Bovard.
[01:09.200 --> 01:11.520] You can find him at jembovard.com.
[01:11.520 --> 01:14.100] He writes for a variety of outlets
[01:14.100 --> 01:16.560] and has for many, many years.
[01:16.560 --> 01:20.640] He is a libertarian, or we could say a classical liberal,
[01:20.640 --> 01:22.440] because that's something that Stephen Miller's wife
[01:22.440 --> 01:24.240] doesn't seem to understand.
[01:24.240 --> 01:26.480] She thinks that's the same thing as,
[01:26.960 --> 01:29.080] there's a lot of things that they don't understand,
[01:29.080 --> 01:29.920] aren't there, Jim?
[01:29.920 --> 01:34.680] But he had a very interesting op-ed piece on Mises.org.
[01:34.680 --> 01:38.800] The latest federal killing in Minnesota echoes Ruby Ridge.
[01:38.800 --> 01:40.900] And I think he's really right in a lot of different ways.
[01:40.900 --> 01:42.800] We can talk about how it is similar to that.
[01:42.800 --> 01:47.320] You know, if you're around at that point in time,
[01:47.320 --> 01:50.120] that should be etched indelibly into your memory
[01:50.120 --> 01:51.280] what happened with Ruby Ridge
[01:51.280 --> 01:52.920] and Branch Davidians and things like that.
[01:52.920 --> 01:55.120] But, you know, even at that time,
[01:55.200 --> 01:58.200] a lot of people were not really following that very closely.
[01:58.200 --> 02:00.480] And of some of the people who were following it,
[02:00.480 --> 02:02.760] I think they've forgotten the details of it.
[02:02.760 --> 02:04.740] They certainly have forgotten the lessons of it,
[02:04.740 --> 02:07.480] because there are a lot of parallels here in this.
[02:07.480 --> 02:09.160] And we need to learn those lessons
[02:09.160 --> 02:11.920] so we can stop repeating these things over and over again.
[02:11.920 --> 02:13.840] Thank you for joining us, Jim.
[02:13.840 --> 02:15.520] Hey, thanks very much for having me on.
[02:15.520 --> 02:18.720] Thanks, and thanks for not forgetting about Ruby Ridge.
[02:18.720 --> 02:19.540] How could I?
[02:19.540 --> 02:20.460] It's amazing.
[02:20.460 --> 02:23.460] Gary Spence did a great job in that trial.
[02:23.620 --> 02:26.540] And again, what an interesting character he is
[02:26.540 --> 02:29.260] in terms of defending Randy Weaver,
[02:29.260 --> 02:30.820] and well, not defending him,
[02:30.820 --> 02:34.220] but in terms of getting some compensation for him,
[02:34.220 --> 02:36.860] but you can never compensate really for what he lost.
[02:36.860 --> 02:38.360] Let's talk a little bit about the parallels,
[02:38.360 --> 02:41.260] but tell us, you put up a tweet
[02:41.260 --> 02:43.100] that really went viral about this,
[02:43.100 --> 02:45.060] which was the basis of your article, I guess.
[02:45.060 --> 02:47.300] That's why you decided to write the article.
[02:47.300 --> 02:49.160] You had a lot of people take exception
[02:49.160 --> 02:51.100] to you drawing parallels.
[02:51.100 --> 02:56.100] Exception, yeah, with their pitchforks and torches, yes.
[02:58.100 --> 03:00.420] Yeah, it was interesting.
[03:00.420 --> 03:01.620] If you go back to folks
[03:01.620 --> 03:04.700] who were politically conscious in the 1990s,
[03:04.700 --> 03:07.700] people who were skeptical about government power,
[03:07.700 --> 03:10.560] both liberals and conservatives and libertarians,
[03:11.780 --> 03:14.420] Ruby Ridge was a rallying cry
[03:14.420 --> 03:18.220] for what happens when the government is off the leash
[03:18.220 --> 03:20.740] and when federal agents have a license to kill.
[03:21.860 --> 03:25.260] As federal judge, Alex Kozinski, said,
[03:25.260 --> 03:26.980] the Ruby Ridge case,
[03:27.980 --> 03:31.180] the federal FBI snipers were given
[03:31.180 --> 03:34.780] basically a 007 license to go out and kill people.
[03:34.780 --> 03:35.620] Yeah, that's right.
[03:35.620 --> 03:37.460] The basic rules of engagement
[03:37.460 --> 03:40.380] were if you see the adult males outside the cabin,
[03:40.380 --> 03:43.980] kill them, no warning or anything,
[03:43.980 --> 03:46.920] even though they'd never fired upon the federal,
[03:47.760 --> 03:49.800] they'd never fired upon the FBI.
[03:49.800 --> 03:51.400] So, but-
[03:51.400 --> 03:52.640] And we've seen that over and over again.
[03:52.640 --> 03:55.800] I talked about how apparently with this absolute immunity,
[03:55.800 --> 03:57.520] these people are all 007s.
[03:57.520 --> 04:00.200] I said, I don't know, maybe that refers to their IQ.
[04:02.200 --> 04:03.680] Well, I had that impression.
[04:03.680 --> 04:04.680] I was wondering about that
[04:04.680 --> 04:06.680] with some of the feedback I was getting.
[04:06.680 --> 04:11.680] It was interesting to see the absolute instant hatred
[04:12.040 --> 04:17.040] for drawing a parallel between what happened at Ruby Ridge
[04:17.800 --> 04:20.560] and the killing of the Alex Preddy
[04:20.560 --> 04:23.040] in Minneapolis last Saturday.
[04:23.040 --> 04:25.920] And it was funny.
[04:25.920 --> 04:30.520] It's been a while since I had that much visibility
[04:30.520 --> 04:33.520] on Twitter and it's interesting
[04:33.520 --> 04:36.560] how the standard insults have changed
[04:36.560 --> 04:41.120] because now it just seems like about 40% of the response
[04:41.120 --> 04:44.000] that were just like, you're a retard.
[04:44.000 --> 04:44.840] Yeah, exactly.
[04:44.840 --> 04:46.200] Or, okay, boomer.
[04:47.320 --> 04:50.040] I'm thinking, is this the best you can do?
[04:50.040 --> 04:51.200] I know.
[04:51.200 --> 04:55.080] Is this the best deprecation you have in your arsenal?
[04:55.080 --> 04:57.040] You're a retard.
[04:57.040 --> 04:57.880] Deprecation.
[04:57.880 --> 05:00.440] And then you try to go back and forth with these people
[05:00.440 --> 05:03.160] and then they start flinging the F word in every direction.
[05:03.160 --> 05:05.920] And you know, I like George Carlin.
[05:05.920 --> 05:07.880] There's a time and a place for the F word.
[05:07.880 --> 05:09.480] It can be effective.
[05:09.480 --> 05:12.960] But when you're just kind of, when this is all you have,
[05:12.960 --> 05:14.280] it's like, you know.
[05:14.280 --> 05:16.440] Well, they don't even know what deprecation is.
[05:16.440 --> 05:18.120] They'd have to look that up if they could even spell it.
[05:18.120 --> 05:19.120] Oh yeah, yeah.
[05:23.120 --> 05:26.440] So the most common retort was retard.
[05:26.440 --> 05:29.600] And the second most common report was boomer.
[05:29.600 --> 05:30.600] Yeah, oh, that's it.
[05:30.600 --> 05:31.440] Yeah, boomer, yeah.
[05:31.440 --> 05:34.880] And I'm like, okay, so I know how to read.
[05:34.880 --> 05:38.960] There was some guy who kept attacking me
[05:39.640 --> 05:41.520] and he was making such ignorant comments.
[05:41.520 --> 05:44.760] I finally said, you know, maybe what we need
[05:44.760 --> 05:48.560] is a GoFundMe drive to get you hooked on phonics.
[05:48.560 --> 05:51.080] We're going to get the software programming.
[05:52.080 --> 05:52.920] So he can read.
[05:52.920 --> 05:54.240] That didn't seem to make him happy.
[05:54.240 --> 05:57.000] So, you know, I tried, I tried.
[05:58.320 --> 06:00.080] There were other folks that said, you know,
[06:00.080 --> 06:01.720] good luck with your grammar.
[06:01.720 --> 06:03.080] You know, because they were just,
[06:03.080 --> 06:05.920] if you're going to call someone a retard,
[06:05.960 --> 06:07.120] you should be able to spell
[06:07.120 --> 06:09.800] your entire sentence correctly, you know?
[06:09.800 --> 06:13.160] Otherwise it kind of boomerangs, you know?
[06:13.160 --> 06:14.720] It's not a good look.
[06:14.720 --> 06:16.600] You reply to them, okay, boomerang.
[06:17.720 --> 06:18.560] There you go.
[06:18.560 --> 06:19.520] So what was the tweet?
[06:19.520 --> 06:21.320] What exactly did you say in the tweet?
[06:21.320 --> 06:23.040] Oh, that's a good question.
[06:23.040 --> 06:24.240] Let me pull it up here.
[06:24.240 --> 06:25.680] I've got this reopened.
[06:27.080 --> 06:29.600] It was interesting.
[06:29.600 --> 06:34.600] There was, I'd first commented on the,
[06:36.120 --> 06:38.440] on the Ruby Ridge thing,
[06:38.440 --> 06:43.440] first parallel on late Saturday.
[06:43.920 --> 06:47.520] And then I was getting so much hostile feedback.
[06:47.520 --> 06:50.920] So what I did, this is an article in the Parallels.
[06:50.920 --> 06:54.600] In both cases, the feds suppressed evidence,
[06:54.600 --> 06:57.320] brazenly lied about what happened,
[06:57.320 --> 07:00.040] exaggerated the threat to federal agents,
[07:00.040 --> 07:03.440] and offered bizarre justifications for their killings.
[07:03.440 --> 07:04.280] Yeah.
[07:04.280 --> 07:07.080] And that is, let's see.
[07:07.080 --> 07:07.920] Yeah.
[07:07.920 --> 07:09.680] And we can start out, we can add to the,
[07:09.680 --> 07:11.920] on my list, I made a similar list like that.
[07:13.280 --> 07:15.680] The needlessly aggressive use of force,
[07:15.680 --> 07:19.080] which seems to be a hallmark of our government anymore.
[07:19.080 --> 07:19.920] Yeah.
[07:19.920 --> 07:24.920] And that was a point that I made in the Mises article
[07:25.040 --> 07:28.140] on how the latest killing echoed Ruby Ridge.
[07:29.320 --> 07:32.960] But it's interesting because you have so many people
[07:32.960 --> 07:37.960] who were conservatives who understood after January 6, 2021,
[07:41.520 --> 07:45.640] after the Biden folks came in and vilified everyone,
[07:45.640 --> 07:48.240] every Trump supporter who'd been in the same zip code
[07:48.240 --> 07:51.000] as the US Capitol and tried to ruin their lives.
[07:51.000 --> 07:53.840] And you had the FBI formally classifying
[07:53.840 --> 07:57.160] all these January 6 cases, 800 or more of them,
[07:57.160 --> 07:58.960] as terrorism cases.
[07:58.960 --> 07:59.800] That's right.
[07:59.840 --> 08:02.920] Because someone walked into a government building.
[08:02.920 --> 08:03.760] Yeah.
[08:03.760 --> 08:04.600] I talked about that.
[08:04.600 --> 08:05.440] And one in particular,
[08:05.440 --> 08:08.200] I think one of the most egregious ones I saw was,
[08:08.200 --> 08:10.360] you had a couple of elderly guys that were there,
[08:10.360 --> 08:14.080] and they had their middle-aged, one of them, middle-aged son.
[08:14.080 --> 08:16.200] And they walk up, the doors are open
[08:16.200 --> 08:17.400] going into the Capitol building,
[08:17.400 --> 08:18.960] and they got a couple of cops here and said,
[08:18.960 --> 08:20.200] is there a restroom around here somewhere?
[08:20.200 --> 08:21.040] Yeah, sure.
[08:21.040 --> 08:21.880] Go right in here.
[08:21.880 --> 08:24.520] They go in and use the restroom, and that's all they did.
[08:24.520 --> 08:25.440] They come back out.
[08:25.440 --> 08:26.920] And as they're getting ready to go back out,
[08:26.920 --> 08:29.200] the same way they came in, there was a female cop,
[08:29.480 --> 08:30.480] and she says, no, no, no, go this way.
[08:30.480 --> 08:32.320] She's pointing, trying to get them to go
[08:32.320 --> 08:34.880] onto the floor of the Capitol building,
[08:34.880 --> 08:36.120] trying to trap them.
[08:36.120 --> 08:39.400] And they did charge them, because that's why that came out,
[08:39.400 --> 08:42.520] was because they actually wound up charging them with that.
[08:42.520 --> 08:45.760] You would think that they would have a memory of that
[08:45.760 --> 08:46.600] and a perspective of it,
[08:46.600 --> 08:49.840] but they've got like the memory of a fruit fly.
[08:50.800 --> 08:52.480] It's absolutely amazing.
[08:52.480 --> 08:56.220] They can't understand these different principles
[08:56.220 --> 08:57.560] and the similarities that are there.
[08:57.560 --> 08:59.120] And that's a big part of it,
[09:00.000 --> 09:02.480] it's a big part of the group think that's there,
[09:02.480 --> 09:04.280] the tribalism that is there,
[09:04.280 --> 09:07.080] is that they're going to go through the fine tooth comb
[09:07.080 --> 09:10.320] and they're going to identify how this person over here
[09:10.320 --> 09:11.440] was a bad person.
[09:11.440 --> 09:12.840] We've got an ad hominem attacking.
[09:12.840 --> 09:14.040] They're not part of our tribe.
[09:14.040 --> 09:15.280] So it was justified.
[09:15.280 --> 09:17.280] That's basically when you peel back
[09:17.280 --> 09:19.040] all the layers of this onion,
[09:19.040 --> 09:20.480] that's what it really gets down to
[09:20.480 --> 09:23.680] when you see this rabid response
[09:23.680 --> 09:26.840] that I've seen from a lot of people on social media.
[09:26.840 --> 09:30.400] Yeah, it goes back to what historian Henry Adams said
[09:30.400 --> 09:32.040] a hundred years ago.
[09:32.040 --> 09:33.440] Politics has always been
[09:33.440 --> 09:36.080] the systematic organization of hatreds.
[09:36.080 --> 09:38.800] Yeah, that's true.
[09:38.800 --> 09:43.800] It was intriguing to see the push button hatred
[09:43.800 --> 09:48.440] after the protester got killed.
[09:51.880 --> 09:54.720] It was funny because I was posting stuff on Facebook
[09:54.720 --> 09:56.960] and then they're on Twitter.
[09:56.960 --> 09:59.040] And so late on Saturday, I said,
[09:59.040 --> 10:04.040] well, there was a TV station there in Minneapolis.
[10:04.240 --> 10:06.480] I think it might've been an ABC station.
[10:06.480 --> 10:09.480] It said that actually, if you look at the video,
[10:09.480 --> 10:12.040] it looks like the federal agent had taken away
[10:12.040 --> 10:14.760] the guy's gun before he was shot.
[10:14.760 --> 10:17.120] And oh my God, you would think I had just
[10:18.600 --> 10:20.640] made the biggest heresy in the world
[10:20.640 --> 10:22.800] because the outrage.
[10:22.800 --> 10:24.760] How could anybody say that?
[10:24.760 --> 10:28.240] And it was like I was trying...
[10:28.240 --> 10:30.120] It was almost like we were supposed to think
[10:30.120 --> 10:34.120] the federal agents had somehow performed a miracle
[10:34.120 --> 10:37.680] by saving everybody from getting shot by this guy.
[10:37.680 --> 10:41.000] Was that Stephen Miller or was that Bovino?
[10:41.000 --> 10:42.840] I think it was Bovino who said
[10:42.840 --> 10:44.760] the agents did a really good job
[10:44.760 --> 10:47.960] because they stopped this guy from killing police.
[10:47.960 --> 10:50.240] Yeah, oh yeah, it's crazy.
[10:50.240 --> 10:52.120] By that standard, they could kill everybody
[10:52.120 --> 10:53.640] in a demonstration, so.
[10:53.640 --> 10:56.000] Well, it really has.
[10:56.000 --> 10:57.920] That's one of the things I remember most
[10:57.920 --> 11:01.240] about Ruby Ridge and then about Waco as well
[11:01.240 --> 11:03.920] was how people lined up as to whether or not
[11:03.920 --> 11:07.120] they liked David Koresh and his group.
[11:07.120 --> 11:07.960] If they didn't like him,
[11:07.960 --> 11:10.680] oh yeah, do whatever you want to to him.
[11:10.680 --> 11:12.400] I'm a Christian and so I looked at that
[11:12.400 --> 11:13.600] and I saw these people said,
[11:13.600 --> 11:14.960] well, we don't like this guy.
[11:14.960 --> 11:17.120] We think his theology is aberrant
[11:17.120 --> 11:19.560] and they do weird things in their church and stuff.
[11:19.560 --> 11:21.320] So yeah, yeah, go after this guy.
[11:22.320 --> 11:24.080] I don't want to be associated with him.
[11:24.080 --> 11:27.480] And so they basically were cheering
[11:27.480 --> 11:29.640] the incineration of men, women, and children
[11:29.640 --> 11:32.240] as like, what in the world is going on here?
[11:32.240 --> 11:34.120] But of course, you see that now over and over again,
[11:34.120 --> 11:34.960] like you pointed out,
[11:34.960 --> 11:38.160] it's the systematic organization of hatred, you know,
[11:38.160 --> 11:39.520] which is what's really happening.
[11:39.520 --> 11:43.880] And it was the same thing with Ruby Ridge, the.
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[12:45.520 --> 12:48.520] Part of what happened is the feds were very quick
[12:48.520 --> 12:53.520] to vilify their victims, being Randy Weaver
[12:53.840 --> 12:55.280] and his wife primarily.
[12:56.400 --> 12:59.920] They had some bad ideas and in the writing
[12:59.920 --> 13:03.520] that I did about it, I was very careful not to say,
[13:03.520 --> 13:05.680] well, you know, maybe they've got a point.
[13:05.680 --> 13:08.840] No, no, no, no, I mean, these are bad ideas.
[13:08.840 --> 13:11.760] But then there are a couple people out there
[13:11.760 --> 13:13.880] who think that I have bad ideas.
[13:13.880 --> 13:14.720] That's right.
[13:14.720 --> 13:17.440] So, you know, I don't want to give the feds a license
[13:17.440 --> 13:19.000] to kill people with bad ideas,
[13:19.000 --> 13:21.400] but this is what a lot of the people
[13:21.400 --> 13:24.080] who want the government to fight extremism,
[13:24.080 --> 13:26.400] this is what it turns out to be.
[13:26.400 --> 13:28.760] People have different ideas than you do.
[13:28.760 --> 13:30.560] They say, well, you know, we've got to take them out.
[13:30.560 --> 13:35.560] You know, I mean, it's hard to have a free speech
[13:37.040 --> 13:40.120] if someone's hateful and what's the definition
[13:40.120 --> 13:42.640] of hateful disagrees with me.
[13:42.640 --> 13:45.400] So, but we've seen that ever since
[13:45.400 --> 13:46.880] the Clinton administration, so.
[13:47.120 --> 13:49.200] And of course, you know, when we look at
[13:49.200 --> 13:53.720] the way people responded first to the killing of Renee Good,
[13:53.720 --> 13:56.440] what I noticed was the MAGA people came out and said,
[13:56.440 --> 13:59.600] oh, she's LGBT, and she was part of an organization
[13:59.600 --> 14:01.040] that got some Soros money or whatever.
[14:01.040 --> 14:05.320] And it's like, okay, well, you do realize Scott Bessent
[14:05.320 --> 14:07.640] is a part of that LGBT movement,
[14:07.640 --> 14:10.560] and you do realize he got a lot of Soros money, didn't he?
[14:10.560 --> 14:13.320] He worked as a partner with the guy for a long time.
[14:13.320 --> 14:15.800] And yet, you know, they're completely blind to that
[14:15.800 --> 14:18.960] because now this guy is, he's whitewashed,
[14:18.960 --> 14:21.520] he's baptized or whatever because Trump picked him
[14:21.520 --> 14:22.640] and he's working with Trump.
[14:22.640 --> 14:24.480] And the same type of stuff,
[14:24.480 --> 14:27.400] if you equated Ashley Babbitt to Renee Good,
[14:27.400 --> 14:29.400] which I think was a good comparison
[14:29.400 --> 14:32.560] because they were both shot at point blank range
[14:32.560 --> 14:34.880] when they were no threat to anyone.
[14:34.880 --> 14:37.000] And yet they came back and said, yeah, but look, you know,
[14:37.000 --> 14:39.360] she's, I don't like what she did with this
[14:39.360 --> 14:40.320] or what she says about that.
[14:40.320 --> 14:41.760] I don't like her lifestyle or whatever.
[14:41.760 --> 14:45.360] So again, it's the demonization of this kind of thing.
[14:45.360 --> 14:47.720] And now we've seen it.
[14:47.720 --> 14:49.000] They kept digging and digging.
[14:49.000 --> 14:50.280] It took a lot longer for them
[14:50.280 --> 14:52.600] to find something on Alex Preti.
[14:52.600 --> 14:56.400] But what they were able to find on him was a BBC video
[14:56.400 --> 15:00.800] where he got into a fight with some border patrol agents
[15:00.800 --> 15:01.800] or something like that.
[15:01.800 --> 15:03.280] I don't know if you've seen that or not.
[15:03.280 --> 15:04.440] That went viral yesterday.
[15:04.440 --> 15:08.880] Yeah, I haven't watched all of it, but I've seen it.
[15:08.880 --> 15:11.480] But so here's my thought.
[15:11.480 --> 15:13.040] He kicks the tail light out and it's like, okay,
[15:13.040 --> 15:15.480] but they didn't kill him that day.
[15:15.480 --> 15:19.160] And would that justify him being killed that day even?
[15:19.160 --> 15:22.000] And he wasn't doing that the day that he was killed.
[15:22.000 --> 15:23.800] He wasn't doing anything like that.
[15:23.800 --> 15:26.000] Yeah, there was a story that I wrote
[15:26.000 --> 15:28.440] that came out on the day before he was shot.
[15:28.440 --> 15:30.680] It said, look, I mean, you have a protest,
[15:30.680 --> 15:32.720] you're gonna have assholes.
[15:32.720 --> 15:34.240] Because there's almost always people
[15:34.240 --> 15:36.240] who behave like assholes at protests.
[15:36.240 --> 15:37.720] And same thing if you've got police,
[15:37.720 --> 15:39.240] you're also going to have a hoax.
[15:39.240 --> 15:40.600] That's true, that's true.
[15:41.440 --> 15:45.080] So there's an interesting point here on the,
[15:45.080 --> 15:50.080] looking at what Alex Pretti did before he got shot.
[15:51.240 --> 15:56.240] So we don't know the names of the two federal agents
[15:57.720 --> 15:59.760] who shot and killed him.
[15:59.760 --> 16:01.560] And I would be very interested to see
[16:01.560 --> 16:03.600] what their records were.
[16:03.600 --> 16:07.520] See if they had a record of abuse of force
[16:07.520 --> 16:10.320] or if they had shot somebody else before
[16:11.320 --> 16:12.720] Or if they were new hires.
[16:14.240 --> 16:18.520] Yeah, so, I mean, this is a real big,
[16:18.520 --> 16:22.520] this is something which comes up in big cities
[16:25.360 --> 16:27.600] if some cop shoots someone,
[16:27.600 --> 16:30.480] especially if the cop has shot people before,
[16:30.480 --> 16:33.080] and especially if there was any kind of pattern
[16:33.080 --> 16:36.440] to the cop's killings or shootings,
[16:36.440 --> 16:40.000] this is very germane to making any kind of judgment.
[16:40.560 --> 16:43.440] But the Trump people have decided we have no right,
[16:43.440 --> 16:48.080] I mean, I don't know when or how federal agents
[16:48.080 --> 16:50.800] got their right to kill anonymously.
[16:50.800 --> 16:52.240] Yeah, that's right, that's right.
[16:52.240 --> 16:55.560] But this is what it is at this point.
[16:55.560 --> 17:00.560] And it's funny, but I mean, it's kind of a variation
[17:00.920 --> 17:04.080] of what we saw a couple months ago.
[17:04.080 --> 17:06.200] There was a lot of controversy initially
[17:06.200 --> 17:11.200] about how our war department had done a second hit
[17:11.240 --> 17:15.160] on the survivors out there near Venezuela,
[17:15.160 --> 17:19.680] and there was video of that killing,
[17:19.680 --> 17:22.480] and I guess it was being seen on Capitol Hill,
[17:22.480 --> 17:24.880] then all of a sudden our secretary of war,
[17:24.880 --> 17:26.280] Hegseth, comes down and says,
[17:26.280 --> 17:28.520] well, of course we can't make that public,
[17:28.520 --> 17:30.760] it's confidential, it's got this and that,
[17:30.760 --> 17:34.680] and it's like, you know, so it's a license to kill.
[17:34.720 --> 17:36.240] Yeah, but the thing is, you know,
[17:36.240 --> 17:38.560] he put out and bragged about their shots
[17:38.560 --> 17:40.400] against these boats in the past,
[17:40.400 --> 17:42.840] and I said that about the, this was, I think,
[17:42.840 --> 17:44.360] wasn't the circle back where they killed
[17:44.360 --> 17:45.560] the shipwrecked people,
[17:45.560 --> 17:47.800] I think that was the very first strike they did.
[17:47.800 --> 17:50.800] And I said of the video that he put out proudly,
[17:50.800 --> 17:53.880] I said, that's criminal, that's an act of war.
[17:53.880 --> 17:57.760] They didn't interdict that, there's clearly processes
[17:57.760 --> 18:01.160] for them to check people if they suspect them
[18:01.160 --> 18:02.360] of being drug dealers, and again,
[18:02.360 --> 18:04.080] I don't agree with any of the war on drugs stuff,
[18:04.080 --> 18:06.000] but they have their own rules about that,
[18:06.000 --> 18:07.760] and they violated all the rules.
[18:08.840 --> 18:13.840] Well, and it's interesting trying to figure out
[18:14.480 --> 18:17.920] if there's laws or, you know, constitutional rights
[18:17.920 --> 18:19.520] that the Trump administration
[18:19.520 --> 18:21.680] is going to recognize and uphold.
[18:21.680 --> 18:23.280] Yeah, for anything.
[18:23.280 --> 18:25.400] Yeah, I mean, cause it's, you know,
[18:25.400 --> 18:29.040] trying to understand what went down in Minneapolis,
[18:29.040 --> 18:33.360] I mean, it's amazing that the first response
[18:33.360 --> 18:36.440] by the DHS, by Bovino and people like that,
[18:36.440 --> 18:39.400] was like, well, people got no right to know their names,
[18:39.400 --> 18:41.480] and we're gonna shift them out of the state
[18:41.480 --> 18:44.400] so they can't be held legally liable
[18:44.400 --> 18:46.320] by Minnesota officials.
[18:48.640 --> 18:52.200] It's like, where did they get the right to kill in Minnesota?
[18:52.200 --> 18:57.200] I mean, this is not a recognized federal right.
[18:57.440 --> 19:00.920] But there, again, it goes back to Ruby Ridge,
[19:00.920 --> 19:03.440] and you had the FBI sniper who killed the mother
[19:03.440 --> 19:05.680] holding her baby by the cabin door.
[19:05.680 --> 19:07.880] Yes, I'll never forget his name.
[19:07.880 --> 19:09.640] It's been burned in my memory.
[19:09.640 --> 19:11.520] Lon Horiuchi. That's right, yeah.
[19:11.520 --> 19:14.320] And you had the Janet Reno
[19:14.320 --> 19:15.800] and the Clinton Justice Department
[19:15.800 --> 19:18.080] and the Clinton, President Clinton,
[19:18.080 --> 19:21.240] moving hell and high water to block any prosecution
[19:21.240 --> 19:25.760] by the state of Idaho of the FBI sniper,
[19:25.760 --> 19:29.280] even though a confidential Justice Department report
[19:29.320 --> 19:32.280] said that his shot that killed Vicki Weaver
[19:32.280 --> 19:35.920] was totally illegal and unjustified.
[19:35.920 --> 19:37.320] That's right, yeah.
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[20:45.320 --> 20:46.880] You know, there was a lot.
[20:46.880 --> 20:49.600] At the time, the internet can be both good and bad.
[20:49.600 --> 20:51.960] But I gotta say that, you know, when Ruby Ridge happened
[20:51.960 --> 20:55.080] and then when you had the very long standoff there
[20:55.080 --> 20:56.800] with the Branch Davidians,
[20:56.800 --> 20:59.000] it was a bit difficult to get information
[20:59.000 --> 21:00.520] because the only thing you could get
[21:00.520 --> 21:03.440] was mainstream media's whitewashing of stuff.
[21:03.440 --> 21:06.000] And we did have a bulletin board
[21:06.000 --> 21:07.320] that I was a part of at the time,
[21:07.320 --> 21:08.680] but there was no internet, right?
[21:08.680 --> 21:11.920] So people in the area were getting information
[21:11.920 --> 21:12.760] and putting it out.
[21:12.760 --> 21:14.280] And of course it wasn't verified.
[21:14.280 --> 21:16.520] But of course we knew that the stuff
[21:16.520 --> 21:19.200] coming from mainstream media was verified BS.
[21:19.200 --> 21:22.720] So it was interesting to look at these things in real time.
[21:22.720 --> 21:25.840] But go back and recount some of the things
[21:25.840 --> 21:27.640] with Ruby Ridge that you see are parallels
[21:27.640 --> 21:29.040] to what's happening in Minnesota.
[21:29.040 --> 21:33.440] Well, I'll start giving a thumbnail Ruby Ridge here.
[21:33.440 --> 21:37.400] It started when an undercover alcohol, tobacco,
[21:37.400 --> 21:41.120] and firearms ATF agent entrapped Randy Weaver
[21:41.120 --> 21:44.000] into selling a sawed-off shotgun.
[21:44.000 --> 21:49.000] It was then on August 21st, 1992,
[21:49.560 --> 21:52.360] three US marshals dressed in ninja outfits
[21:53.000 --> 21:58.000] and with face masks illegally intruded on Weaver's land
[21:58.160 --> 22:00.600] and ambushed Weaver's 14-year-old son
[22:00.600 --> 22:03.720] and 25-year-old family friend, Kevin Harris.
[22:03.720 --> 22:08.560] The marshals fired some machine guns at them
[22:08.560 --> 22:11.320] and killed the boy's dog, a firefight,
[22:11.320 --> 22:14.560] and soon a US marshal was killed.
[22:14.560 --> 22:16.320] As the boy was running back home
[22:16.320 --> 22:18.240] towards his family's cabin,
[22:18.240 --> 22:21.120] a marshal shot him in the back and killed him.
[22:21.960 --> 22:25.520] And it was a big issue then
[22:25.520 --> 22:28.520] in the Justice Department confidential report
[22:28.520 --> 22:31.120] was that the marshal service never separated
[22:31.120 --> 22:34.440] the different marshals who had killed the boy
[22:34.440 --> 22:38.480] and been in the firefight and thereby given them a chance
[22:38.480 --> 22:40.640] to create their own cover story,
[22:40.640 --> 22:43.560] which was later proven to be completely false.
[22:43.560 --> 22:46.480] But so the marshals gave a storyline to the FBI
[22:46.480 --> 22:48.600] that made the FBI panic.
[22:48.640 --> 22:51.600] The next day, FBI snipers arrived.
[22:51.600 --> 22:53.920] Within an hour of them taking position,
[22:53.920 --> 22:55.880] every adult in the Weaver cabin
[22:55.880 --> 22:58.400] was either dead or severely wounded,
[22:58.400 --> 23:01.160] even though they never fired a shot at the FBI.
[23:02.200 --> 23:04.520] You had the FBI sniper, Horiyuki,
[23:04.520 --> 23:06.520] shot Randy Weaver in the back
[23:06.520 --> 23:09.160] as he stood outside his shack
[23:09.160 --> 23:12.120] and then fired a shot that killed Vicki Weaver
[23:12.120 --> 23:15.280] by the cabin door as she was holding her baby.
[23:15.280 --> 23:19.200] Now, the FBI initially said that they were justified
[23:19.200 --> 23:20.880] in killing Vicki Weaver
[23:20.880 --> 23:22.720] because she'd been in their front yard
[23:22.720 --> 23:25.600] firing at the FBI helicopter.
[23:25.600 --> 23:28.920] That was a complete scam and that fell apart.
[23:28.920 --> 23:31.880] And so once that story fell apart,
[23:31.880 --> 23:34.880] the FBI said they killed her accidentally.
[23:36.200 --> 23:38.720] That sounds like Christine Ohm's thing.
[23:38.720 --> 23:40.880] The agents were stuck in the snow
[23:40.880 --> 23:43.520] and they were attacked by the marshals.
[23:43.520 --> 23:44.640] They're just making this stuff up.
[23:44.680 --> 23:46.680] The contempt for everybody.
[23:46.680 --> 23:48.120] It reminds me of what Jake Tapper
[23:48.120 --> 23:50.040] just said to one of these guys.
[23:50.040 --> 23:51.760] The guy's going on and on about what happened
[23:51.760 --> 23:53.960] with this Alex Prettie thing and he goes,
[23:53.960 --> 23:56.520] you do realize there's a video of this, don't you?
[23:58.800 --> 24:01.480] Well, and that's the only reason
[24:01.480 --> 24:03.000] why we've got a chance in hell
[24:03.000 --> 24:04.320] of getting the truth on this.
[24:04.320 --> 24:07.880] Because if you think of the initial storyline
[24:07.880 --> 24:10.920] that the Trump top officials put out
[24:10.920 --> 24:12.960] on the Alex Prettie shooting,
[24:13.880 --> 24:16.200] he had his nine millimeter pistol out
[24:16.200 --> 24:17.960] and he was assaulting law enforcement
[24:17.960 --> 24:20.200] and they were, he was there to massacre them.
[24:20.200 --> 24:24.440] And to the New York Times credit,
[24:24.440 --> 24:29.160] within an hour of the Trump top officials saying that,
[24:29.160 --> 24:32.200] New York Times was saying, actually there's videos
[24:32.200 --> 24:34.640] of something completely different.
[24:34.640 --> 24:38.360] And so many papers came around that quite quickly,
[24:38.360 --> 24:40.520] but you had the Trump people
[24:41.040 --> 24:44.400] clinging to this absolute nonsense version
[24:44.400 --> 24:48.080] that would whitewash the federal agents who killed Prettie.
[24:48.080 --> 24:53.080] And it's like, okay, if you're gonna lie so brazenly,
[24:53.600 --> 24:55.760] why should we trust you on anything?
[24:55.760 --> 24:57.520] That's right, that's right, exactly.
[24:57.520 --> 25:00.240] Yeah, it is brazen, it is arrogant.
[25:00.240 --> 25:02.520] It's an insult to our intelligence, isn't it?
[25:02.520 --> 25:03.360] It was my...
[25:03.360 --> 25:07.640] Well, it is, except for people on Twitter.
[25:07.640 --> 25:08.480] Yeah.
[25:08.720 --> 25:10.360] Yeah, because a lot of them
[25:10.360 --> 25:13.080] you really can't insult their intelligence.
[25:13.080 --> 25:16.000] Because they're just, it was like,
[25:17.920 --> 25:20.000] but Stephen Miller said this
[25:20.000 --> 25:24.280] and it was like it was handed down from Mount Sinai.
[25:24.280 --> 25:26.440] And it's like, well, no, actually,
[25:26.440 --> 25:30.240] you know, that's not what happened.
[25:30.240 --> 25:32.680] So you're calling them liars?
[25:32.680 --> 25:35.440] Well, you know, use your word.
[25:35.440 --> 25:36.520] Yeah, that's right.
[25:36.520 --> 25:39.440] He got a better word than a liar.
[25:39.440 --> 25:41.200] They were grossly mistaken.
[25:43.200 --> 25:47.320] Yeah, but so an interesting thing with this
[25:47.320 --> 25:50.000] was that there were a lot of people
[25:50.000 --> 25:52.880] in the Justice Department who were very unhappy
[25:52.880 --> 25:55.280] how it went down at Ruby Ridge.
[25:55.280 --> 25:57.560] And there was an internal investigation
[25:57.560 --> 26:00.200] that came out with a 500-page report.
[26:00.200 --> 26:02.080] The government kept that secret.
[26:03.040 --> 26:08.040] And early 1995, FBI Chief Louis Free
[26:08.680 --> 26:11.040] does a press conference and announces,
[26:11.040 --> 26:14.720] basically whitewashes all the FBI policy makers
[26:14.720 --> 26:17.880] and the snipers for the killing of Vicki Weaver
[26:17.880 --> 26:20.880] and everything else that happened in that case.
[26:20.880 --> 26:25.080] So a couple of days later, I did a piece
[26:25.080 --> 26:26.360] for the Wall Street Journal called
[26:26.360 --> 26:29.040] No Accountability at the FBI.
[26:29.040 --> 26:30.440] A couple of weeks later,
[26:30.480 --> 26:32.880] Louis Free attacked me in the article
[26:32.880 --> 26:35.720] and in response, he wrote to the Wall Street Journal.
[26:35.720 --> 26:39.160] And so, you know, it was funny.
[26:39.160 --> 26:41.080] There was a friend of mine from Argentina
[26:41.080 --> 26:42.720] who I'd done some work with.
[26:42.720 --> 26:47.040] And on the day that the Louis Free letter
[26:47.040 --> 26:49.000] condemning me came out in the Wall Street Journal,
[26:49.000 --> 26:50.360] he calls it and says,
[26:50.360 --> 26:52.600] well, I just wanted to say goodbye
[26:53.520 --> 26:55.400] because, you know, he's from Argentina.
[26:55.400 --> 26:57.200] He figures, yeah.
[26:57.200 --> 26:58.040] They're gonna put you on a plane
[26:58.040 --> 27:00.000] and head you out to the ocean.
[27:00.520 --> 27:02.000] I'm not gonna be around very long.
[27:02.000 --> 27:04.160] And I said, oh, you know,
[27:05.320 --> 27:07.120] I can't imagine the federal officials
[27:07.120 --> 27:09.400] ever doing anything improper like that.
[27:10.800 --> 27:12.440] But we're starting to approach that point,
[27:12.440 --> 27:14.080] perhaps, I don't know.
[27:14.080 --> 27:14.920] There you go.
[27:14.920 --> 27:18.320] But so I kept digging and I eventually got
[27:19.760 --> 27:23.320] a copy of that 500 page confidential report.
[27:23.320 --> 27:27.560] And I wrote about that for the Wall Street Journal.
[27:28.080 --> 27:29.240] I also wrote about the case
[27:29.240 --> 27:31.640] for Playboy and American Spectator.
[27:31.640 --> 27:33.400] And I think my stories-
[27:33.400 --> 27:34.480] Let me interrupt you a second.
[27:34.480 --> 27:36.800] How did you get that 500 page report?
[27:36.800 --> 27:39.840] I mean, did they give that up with a FOIA request?
[27:39.840 --> 27:41.680] No, no, no.
[27:41.680 --> 27:44.560] They did not give it up with a FOIA.
[27:44.560 --> 27:46.640] I was gonna say, I wouldn't think they would, yeah.
[27:46.640 --> 27:50.040] No, it was, look, it was not given up, okay?
[27:50.040 --> 27:53.480] Okay, you found it through some alternative sources.
[27:53.480 --> 27:56.320] Well, I came into possession.
[27:56.320 --> 27:57.160] Okay, there we go.
[27:57.800 --> 27:58.640] How about that?
[27:58.640 --> 27:59.480] That's the way you put it, yeah.
[27:59.480 --> 28:00.320] We'll say it like that.
[28:00.320 --> 28:03.760] So, but no, it was-
[28:03.760 --> 28:05.720] Pentagon paper style, yeah.
[28:05.720 --> 28:08.680] And having that report, it just completely destroyed
[28:08.680 --> 28:11.760] the entire storyline the feds had created
[28:11.760 --> 28:15.120] going back two years or more earlier.
[28:15.120 --> 28:18.220] And it made a mockery of Lewis Freeh's claims.
[28:19.120 --> 28:24.120] And they finally suspended some officials at FBI.
[28:24.720 --> 28:29.720] And the top official of the FBI Violent Crimes
[28:31.680 --> 28:34.160] and Major Offenders Section pled guilty
[28:34.160 --> 28:36.720] was sent to prison for destroying evidence
[28:36.720 --> 28:38.400] on the Ruby Ridge case.
[28:38.400 --> 28:40.360] Oh, I didn't know that.
[28:40.360 --> 28:42.400] I didn't, these are some details I didn't know.
[28:42.400 --> 28:43.240] That's good.
[28:43.240 --> 28:45.480] I'm glad somebody went to jail for something.
[28:45.480 --> 28:48.320] Yeah, it may have been the evidence that he destroyed
[28:48.320 --> 28:50.680] would have showed that Long Horiyuchi
[28:50.680 --> 28:53.160] intentionally killed Vicki Weaver.
[28:53.160 --> 28:54.360] Or maybe it didn't show that.
[28:54.360 --> 28:56.800] We don't know because it was destroyed
[28:56.800 --> 28:58.800] and the cover-up was successful, but-
[28:58.800 --> 29:01.600] And they gave him a medal, didn't they, Long Horiyuchi?
[29:02.680 --> 29:06.240] I don't know, but there was a story which I did-
[29:06.240 --> 29:09.160] The accommodation or whatever, you know?
[29:09.160 --> 29:13.620] Maybe, I'm not sure, but what the Marshal Service did
[29:13.620 --> 29:17.460] is wait until three and a half years
[29:17.460 --> 29:21.240] after the Marshals there killed Sammy Weaver
[29:21.280 --> 29:24.360] and then gave their highest valor commendation
[29:24.360 --> 29:28.960] to the Marshals who had been at Ruby Ridge in early 1996.
[29:28.960 --> 29:32.400] And I wrote a Wall Street Journal story about that.
[29:32.400 --> 29:34.640] There was a lot of pushback among some of their editors,
[29:34.640 --> 29:36.200] but that's a different story.
[29:37.360 --> 29:41.360] But no, it was brazen that they were,
[29:42.480 --> 29:45.800] was it Wyatt Earp who was a U.S. Marshal?
[29:45.800 --> 29:47.600] Yeah, I don't know.
[29:47.600 --> 29:49.320] Someone like that, I mean-
[29:49.320 --> 29:50.600] He was a movie consultant.
[29:51.760 --> 29:56.760] Right, I mean, it'd be kind of rude to stop the interview
[29:57.480 --> 29:59.960] and do an internet search, a Google search, so.
[29:59.960 --> 30:02.880] But no, so it was utterly brazen,
[30:02.880 --> 30:07.880] and it's just interesting to see how many lies,
[30:08.240 --> 30:11.720] I mean, lying and killing goes together like ham and eggs.
[30:11.720 --> 30:12.560] Yeah, oh yeah.
[30:12.560 --> 30:14.880] And you have that with the federal agencies
[30:14.880 --> 30:17.320] like you have it with the mafia.
[30:17.320 --> 30:18.160] Yeah.
[30:18.160 --> 30:20.920] So, and it's just-
[30:20.920 --> 30:22.720] Well, certainly if somebody's gonna kill somebody
[30:22.720 --> 30:24.720] as serious as that crime is, they're gonna lie about it.
[30:24.720 --> 30:28.080] And so that's what we see when the government does it.
[30:28.080 --> 30:29.080] It's kind of interesting.
[30:29.080 --> 30:31.680] We talk about the situation in Venezuela.
[30:31.680 --> 30:35.880] One of the things that I've said is that Madison said
[30:35.880 --> 30:40.880] the weapons of defense abroad
[30:40.880 --> 30:43.560] always become instruments of tyranny at home.
[30:43.560 --> 30:46.840] And I think that applies to their attitudes
[30:46.840 --> 30:50.640] towards killing people, their attitudes towards war,
[30:50.640 --> 30:52.560] whether it's foreign or domestic.
[30:52.560 --> 30:56.120] I think once they have crossed that Rubicon in their mind,
[30:56.120 --> 30:58.160] like they did with Venezuela, it's just a matter of time
[30:58.160 --> 31:00.480] before they start doing it domestically as well.
[31:00.480 --> 31:02.160] And I think it's kind of amazing too,
[31:02.160 --> 31:05.000] when you look at border patrol and immigration control
[31:05.000 --> 31:05.840] and all the rest of the stuff,
[31:05.840 --> 31:08.480] they're so focused on their political border,
[31:08.480 --> 31:11.880] but they don't think there's any boundaries whatsoever
[31:11.880 --> 31:14.560] in law for what they do.
[31:14.560 --> 31:15.400] So these are people who say,
[31:15.520 --> 31:17.360] yeah, we got to have borders and so forth,
[31:17.360 --> 31:18.520] but there's no boundaries for us.
[31:18.520 --> 31:20.160] I mean, Trump has even said that.
[31:20.160 --> 31:22.160] You know, he was asked that question.
[31:22.160 --> 31:24.040] He had no problem about saying,
[31:24.040 --> 31:25.720] well, no, I don't think there's any restrictions
[31:25.720 --> 31:28.560] that I have any rules, international rules or laws
[31:28.560 --> 31:29.400] that I need.
[31:29.400 --> 31:32.040] I'm constrained by my morality.
[31:32.040 --> 31:36.040] Oh, that was so comforting.
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[32:42.020 --> 32:45.140] Trump says that which are just, you know.
[32:45.140 --> 32:46.620] Yeah, that was a golden moment.
[32:46.620 --> 32:48.580] You know, that's kind of like Nixon saying,
[32:48.580 --> 32:50.780] well, when the president does it, it's not illegal.
[32:50.780 --> 32:51.740] You know, it's.
[32:51.740 --> 32:56.060] Yeah, but it's, going back to those border patrol agents
[32:56.060 --> 33:00.460] and the ICE folks, I mean, it's almost as if we,
[33:00.460 --> 33:04.980] that those federal agents need to have absolute power
[33:04.980 --> 33:07.380] in order to preserve the American way of life.
[33:07.380 --> 33:08.260] Yeah, yeah.
[33:08.260 --> 33:10.180] Except that the American way of life
[33:10.180 --> 33:11.780] and federal absolute power,
[33:11.780 --> 33:14.180] it did not used to go together, so.
[33:14.180 --> 33:15.020] That's right.
[33:15.020 --> 33:17.460] Well, as we just had that a week or two ago,
[33:17.460 --> 33:20.580] we had some Israeli billionaire named Slo Mo,
[33:20.580 --> 33:22.140] and he said, we're going to have to destroy
[33:22.140 --> 33:24.220] the first amendment to preserve it, right?
[33:24.220 --> 33:26.300] So we got to destroy the rule of law
[33:26.300 --> 33:27.700] in order to have America.
[33:27.700 --> 33:29.100] We got to destroy the constitution
[33:29.100 --> 33:30.460] and everything else, right?
[33:30.460 --> 33:33.820] That's the logic behind what these people are telling us.
[33:33.820 --> 33:36.540] Yeah, I mean, and some of the Trump actions
[33:36.540 --> 33:38.460] on freedom of speech have been appalling.
[33:38.460 --> 33:40.140] Oh yeah, yeah.
[33:40.140 --> 33:42.260] Same with a lot of the other things he had done, so.
[33:42.260 --> 33:45.340] But it's just, part of what's fascinating to me,
[33:45.340 --> 33:48.140] on going back to the parallels of Ruby Ridge
[33:48.140 --> 33:50.300] and the killing on Saturday,
[33:50.300 --> 33:53.780] what were the rules of engagement for the DHS agents?
[33:53.780 --> 33:57.380] There was a video I saw online,
[33:57.380 --> 34:00.740] Bovino was talking to the agents, giving them a pep talk,
[34:00.740 --> 34:03.140] and he was telling them, if anybody touches you,
[34:03.140 --> 34:05.500] then, you know, take them down, arrest them.
[34:05.860 --> 34:08.260] Just, you know, do maximum penalties for them.
[34:09.460 --> 34:11.060] And this is the same attitude,
[34:11.060 --> 34:13.220] Kristi Noem said something similar,
[34:13.220 --> 34:18.220] that if somebody, if some protestor really touches you,
[34:18.340 --> 34:20.420] boom, that's assault, so on and so forth.
[34:20.420 --> 34:22.820] Well, you've seen the videos of these,
[34:22.820 --> 34:24.140] a lot of the federal agents,
[34:24.140 --> 34:26.300] being super aggressive with people.
[34:26.300 --> 34:28.300] Yeah, yeah. Throwing them down,
[34:28.300 --> 34:29.540] bashing them, assaulting them,
[34:29.540 --> 34:32.180] spraying their face for no reason with a pepper spray.
[34:32.180 --> 34:36.220] I mean, this is such an absolute disparity
[34:36.220 --> 34:38.700] in standards of conduct, you know,
[34:38.700 --> 34:40.700] how are people supposed to be free
[34:40.700 --> 34:43.100] when federal agents have the right to beat them?
[34:43.100 --> 34:43.980] That's right.
[34:43.980 --> 34:47.020] I remember years ago, there was a protest at Berkeley,
[34:47.020 --> 34:48.700] I don't even remember what it was for,
[34:48.700 --> 34:51.740] and you had all these people that were, you know,
[34:51.740 --> 34:53.940] standing cross-legged on the ground,
[34:53.940 --> 34:56.180] and you had this fat cop go along with a pepper spray,
[34:56.180 --> 34:57.860] right in front of their faces, just spraying them,
[34:57.860 --> 35:00.180] and that outraged everybody, and rightfully so.
[35:00.180 --> 35:01.620] It's like, what are you doing that for?
[35:01.620 --> 35:03.780] And yet, you know, we have the same situation happening now
[35:03.780 --> 35:05.140] with these ICE agents.
[35:05.140 --> 35:08.060] There's that one picture where they had this person
[35:08.060 --> 35:09.100] pinned to the ground,
[35:09.100 --> 35:12.740] a guy puts the spray can right in his face or her face,
[35:12.740 --> 35:14.900] and sprays them with that.
[35:14.900 --> 35:18.220] There was another one after the shooting of Renee Good,
[35:18.220 --> 35:20.540] I've played that multiple times,
[35:20.540 --> 35:22.780] video I've played multiple times on the show,
[35:22.780 --> 35:25.060] where you've got this guy going around kicking,
[35:25.060 --> 35:29.180] they put, they chalked up the sidewalk
[35:29.180 --> 35:31.420] with her name and things like that.
[35:32.220 --> 35:33.300] And then put some candles there,
[35:33.300 --> 35:34.140] and you probably saw that,
[35:34.140 --> 35:35.700] he goes along kicking the candles over,
[35:35.700 --> 35:36.540] and the guy says, what are you doing?
[35:36.540 --> 35:37.380] What are you doing?
[35:37.380 --> 35:38.220] Do you know who?
[35:38.220 --> 35:40.740] And the guy gets right up in his face,
[35:40.740 --> 35:43.740] and, you know, gets like about an inch
[35:43.740 --> 35:45.860] from actually hitting him with his body.
[35:45.860 --> 35:47.380] He says, get back, get back, get back, you know,
[35:47.380 --> 35:49.300] and keeps pushing him back.
[35:49.300 --> 35:53.660] Just thuggish schoolyard behavior, just beyond belief.
[35:53.660 --> 35:55.860] Trying to goad the guy into touching him
[35:55.860 --> 35:57.260] so he can go off on this guy.
[35:57.260 --> 35:59.180] He and all the other ones around there,
[35:59.180 --> 36:00.300] it's gonna be a gang bang
[36:00.300 --> 36:03.260] if he just lays a finger on this guy,
[36:03.260 --> 36:05.660] and he's doing everything he can to provoke that.
[36:05.660 --> 36:08.060] And we've seen them coming up to people
[36:08.060 --> 36:09.500] knocking phones out of their hands,
[36:09.500 --> 36:12.380] because somehow it's now a rule
[36:12.380 --> 36:14.740] that if you are photographing the police,
[36:14.740 --> 36:16.900] which you have a right to do,
[36:16.900 --> 36:19.020] Supreme Court has said that over and over,
[36:19.020 --> 36:20.260] I believe it's the Supreme Court,
[36:20.260 --> 36:21.860] there's been multiple court cases,
[36:21.860 --> 36:23.940] I don't know if it got up to the Supreme Court or not,
[36:23.940 --> 36:26.020] but you have a right to film the police,
[36:26.020 --> 36:27.620] we all know that that should be there,
[36:27.620 --> 36:29.780] whether the law says that or not.
[36:29.780 --> 36:31.860] But they come up to people and threaten them,
[36:31.860 --> 36:33.500] threaten to put them in a database,
[36:33.500 --> 36:34.780] knock the phone out of their hands,
[36:34.780 --> 36:36.500] and all the rest of this stuff.
[36:36.500 --> 36:41.500] Yep, well the Trump DHS has been very explicit
[36:41.900 --> 36:44.620] that there is no right to videotape federal agents
[36:44.620 --> 36:49.220] in public, to videotape them
[36:49.220 --> 36:51.460] even when they're wearing masks,
[36:51.460 --> 36:56.460] to dox them, and that is considered to be a crime,
[36:57.460 --> 37:02.660] and the federal agents are entitled to use force
[37:02.660 --> 37:03.820] to shut that down.
[37:03.820 --> 37:06.180] And as you mentioned,
[37:06.180 --> 37:09.620] the Supreme Court has not made this explicit,
[37:09.620 --> 37:10.500] but there have been a number
[37:10.500 --> 37:13.260] of federal appeals court rulings that said,
[37:13.260 --> 37:16.780] look, people have got a right to videotape the police
[37:16.780 --> 37:19.500] in public, I mean, there's a certain point
[37:19.500 --> 37:22.220] where the videotape could become too aggressive
[37:22.220 --> 37:25.140] or too interfering, but I mean,
[37:25.980 --> 37:30.340] there are, you know, there's lots of the Trump supporters
[37:30.340 --> 37:33.300] who would like to have a five-mile zone
[37:33.300 --> 37:35.820] of no cameras.
[37:35.820 --> 37:37.860] Yeah, I guess are they gonna go around, Jim,
[37:37.860 --> 37:40.620] and are they going to arrest Flock and Amazon
[37:40.620 --> 37:42.020] for the ring cameras and stuff,
[37:42.020 --> 37:44.860] because we've got cameras everywhere in our society now,
[37:44.860 --> 37:46.380] whether you like it or not,
[37:46.380 --> 37:48.220] and most of us aren't wearing masks
[37:48.220 --> 37:49.820] when that's happening as well.
[37:50.820 --> 37:55.020] Well, and it's interesting how you have
[37:56.060 --> 37:57.700] two sides here.
[37:57.700 --> 38:00.100] One, you've got total secrecy for the feds,
[38:00.100 --> 38:01.860] they've got their face masks,
[38:01.860 --> 38:04.020] nobody's got, no agent's got a name,
[38:04.020 --> 38:06.540] people got no right to know the name of the agents
[38:06.540 --> 38:08.180] that killed somebody,
[38:08.180 --> 38:11.460] and on the flip side, you've got total surveillance.
[38:11.460 --> 38:13.900] You've got these agents going around
[38:13.900 --> 38:16.220] and sticking cameras in people's faces
[38:16.220 --> 38:19.540] and saying that their face and name
[38:19.540 --> 38:21.180] will be in a database now.
[38:22.140 --> 38:25.620] So the terrorists or whatever protest or database.
[38:25.620 --> 38:26.900] Somebody does that to me, I tell them,
[38:26.900 --> 38:30.180] spell my name right, let me give it to you, just in case.
[38:30.180 --> 38:33.700] Yeah, I mean, it's kind of late for me
[38:33.700 --> 38:35.380] to worry about being in those databases.
[38:35.380 --> 38:36.700] That's right.
[38:36.700 --> 38:39.100] Their society, I guess, Jim, we could look at it,
[38:39.100 --> 38:43.380] their model for society is a one-way mirror, right?
[38:43.380 --> 38:45.780] Where they are on the opposite side of the mirror,
[38:45.780 --> 38:48.500] you look at it and you don't see them at all.
[38:48.500 --> 38:51.580] You only see yourself as they're putting you
[38:51.580 --> 38:52.980] in the databases that are there,
[38:52.980 --> 38:55.940] but you're not allowed to see anything they have.
[38:55.940 --> 38:59.740] Yeah, and it's important to keep in mind,
[38:59.740 --> 39:01.180] Donald Trump has often said
[39:01.180 --> 39:02.940] he's gonna make America great again,
[39:02.940 --> 39:06.780] but he never says he's gonna make America free again.
[39:06.780 --> 39:07.620] That's right.
[39:07.620 --> 39:08.940] Or make America constitutional,
[39:08.940 --> 39:11.460] and Trump's idea of American greatness
[39:11.460 --> 39:14.660] seems to be focused on the presidential power.
[39:14.660 --> 39:16.180] Yes, yes.
[39:16.180 --> 39:17.420] Yeah, he's gonna make all power,
[39:18.260 --> 39:20.860] he's gonna make America a monarchy again.
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[40:21.700 --> 40:23.980] Well, and what's appalling to me
[40:23.980 --> 40:25.540] is you've got so many conservatives
[40:25.540 --> 40:26.940] who are cheerleading for that.
[40:26.940 --> 40:27.780] Yeah.
[40:27.780 --> 40:31.180] I'm just thinking, are you that historically illiterate?
[40:31.180 --> 40:32.380] Exactly.
[40:32.380 --> 40:35.420] But to ask that question is to answer it, so.
[40:35.420 --> 40:37.380] Yeah, what are you trying to conserve at this point?
[40:37.380 --> 40:39.460] You know, we've had the terms neocon.
[40:39.460 --> 40:40.620] We need to come up with something
[40:40.620 --> 40:42.900] for the Trump cons or something like that,
[40:42.980 --> 40:46.060] which says that they don't adhere to any principles
[40:46.060 --> 40:48.100] of individual liberty or economic liberty
[40:48.100 --> 40:49.300] or the rule of law, whatever.
[40:49.300 --> 40:50.540] That's a Trump con.
[40:50.540 --> 40:52.980] We're just here for loyalty to Trump
[40:52.980 --> 40:55.220] because that gets us jobs.
[40:55.220 --> 40:56.060] It gets us money.
[40:56.060 --> 40:57.140] That is the highest freedom.
[40:57.140 --> 40:58.220] Yeah, that's right.
[40:58.220 --> 40:59.900] That is the highest freedom,
[40:59.900 --> 41:02.500] having the opportunity to obey Donald Trump's orders.
[41:02.500 --> 41:05.660] And it's like, and it's unfortunate
[41:05.660 --> 41:07.500] because Trump has some good ideas.
[41:07.500 --> 41:09.420] He's had some good policies.
[41:09.420 --> 41:12.340] I had a story in New York Post last Sunday
[41:12.340 --> 41:16.100] on Trump's talk about banning the red light cameras
[41:16.100 --> 41:18.260] and the speed cameras in Washington, D.C.
[41:18.260 --> 41:20.820] I mean, those things are an absolute menace.
[41:20.820 --> 41:22.140] They cause so many accidents.
[41:22.140 --> 41:24.180] They've killed people, so.
[41:24.180 --> 41:25.500] I didn't see that he said that.
[41:25.500 --> 41:26.700] I would agree with that,
[41:26.700 --> 41:28.420] but I don't think that he'll do it.
[41:28.420 --> 41:30.260] I don't think that he'll do it.
[41:30.260 --> 41:31.420] Trump had not said that,
[41:31.420 --> 41:34.220] but someone in his transportation department
[41:34.220 --> 41:37.140] has proposed to ban those cameras.
[41:37.980 --> 41:42.820] It's a great example of how the government
[41:42.820 --> 41:44.980] can be a scoundrel because what happens is
[41:44.980 --> 41:47.620] you have those red light cameras put in
[41:47.620 --> 41:49.580] and in order to maximize revenue,
[41:49.580 --> 41:52.260] what they do is shorten the yellow light.
[41:52.260 --> 41:53.780] Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.
[41:53.780 --> 41:56.300] And then cause a lot of accidents and fatalities.
[41:56.300 --> 41:57.740] So.
[41:57.740 --> 41:58.780] Yeah, I agree.
[41:58.780 --> 42:00.300] Yeah, I was surprised because I thought,
[42:00.300 --> 42:02.780] wait a minute, does Trump ever even drive a car?
[42:02.780 --> 42:03.740] You know, this is one of the things
[42:03.740 --> 42:05.260] when you see Scott Besson.
[42:05.260 --> 42:06.100] No, no.
[42:06.100 --> 42:07.980] I mean, and this is, so.
[42:07.980 --> 42:09.940] My chauffeur has complained about this.
[42:11.620 --> 42:13.580] This is a fascinating angle on it too
[42:13.580 --> 42:17.380] because I assume that Trump has had bodyguards
[42:17.380 --> 42:19.900] going back for the last 30 or 40 years.
[42:19.900 --> 42:20.740] Oh yeah, sure.
[42:20.740 --> 42:25.100] And his absolute contempt for second amendment rights.
[42:25.100 --> 42:26.100] Yes.
[42:26.100 --> 42:27.820] Of anybody going to their protest
[42:27.820 --> 42:29.860] is supposed to disarm and put themselves
[42:29.860 --> 42:31.660] at the mercy of the feds.
[42:31.660 --> 42:33.220] I mean, this is such.
[42:33.220 --> 42:35.700] And you can see that with that other elitist billionaire,
[42:36.300 --> 42:37.860] Scott Besson, who gets a free pass
[42:37.860 --> 42:40.540] for working for Soros from the MAGA people for some reason.
[42:40.540 --> 42:42.020] And when he's saying, you know,
[42:42.020 --> 42:43.940] I can't imagine anybody taking a gun
[42:43.940 --> 42:45.580] to a protest or whatever.
[42:45.580 --> 42:47.340] And it's like, he says, I've been at protests.
[42:47.340 --> 42:48.180] I didn't take guns.
[42:48.180 --> 42:49.900] I thought, I said to my wife, I said,
[42:49.900 --> 42:51.980] they were probably protesting Besson.
[42:53.980 --> 42:55.180] That's a good point.
[42:55.180 --> 42:56.020] That's a good point.
[42:56.020 --> 42:58.140] Probably I get my Wall Street or something.
[42:58.140 --> 43:03.140] Yeah, I mean, I've had the experience of being a protest
[43:03.140 --> 43:04.620] where there were guns and protests
[43:04.620 --> 43:05.900] where the guns were banned.
[43:05.900 --> 43:10.260] And it's like, you know, it's life.
[43:10.260 --> 43:11.100] It's life.
[43:11.100 --> 43:13.900] I mean, guns are part of the American way of life.
[43:13.900 --> 43:16.420] And it's also a symbol of American freedom.
[43:16.420 --> 43:17.260] That's right.
[43:17.260 --> 43:18.900] Yeah, I've said this multiple times on air
[43:18.900 --> 43:20.780] since he said that.
[43:20.780 --> 43:23.460] I said the safest protest I was at
[43:23.460 --> 43:25.220] was a protest at the Alamo
[43:25.220 --> 43:27.780] where they were trying to get the carry laws
[43:27.780 --> 43:29.420] changed in Texas.
[43:29.420 --> 43:30.780] And you had hundreds of people
[43:30.780 --> 43:32.540] with rifles slung over their shoulders
[43:32.540 --> 43:33.980] and police left everybody alone.
[43:33.980 --> 43:35.980] It's a great deterrent to violence.
[43:35.980 --> 43:37.020] Yeah.
[43:37.020 --> 43:38.380] Well, this is it.
[43:38.380 --> 43:43.380] I mean, it was fascinating to see the absolute panic
[43:43.740 --> 43:46.220] by the federal agents as soon as someone says,
[43:46.220 --> 43:47.700] gun, gun, gun.
[43:47.700 --> 43:49.660] Oh, we gotta shoot him 10 times.
[43:49.660 --> 43:50.500] Yeah.
[43:50.500 --> 43:53.220] I mean, that was an absolute disgrace.
[43:53.220 --> 43:54.340] Yeah, that's right.
[43:54.340 --> 43:56.100] They were beating the hell out of this guy
[43:56.100 --> 44:00.260] who they'd knocked to the ground unjustifiably
[44:00.260 --> 44:02.060] and then they panicked and killed him.
[44:02.220 --> 44:07.220] And it's like, how in the hell anybody can uphold
[44:07.300 --> 44:09.780] that kind of behavior or see it as a model
[44:09.780 --> 44:12.020] or say, yeah, but he was a bad guy
[44:12.020 --> 44:15.220] because he voted for Tim Walz, you know, whatever.
[44:15.220 --> 44:16.140] I don't care.
[44:16.140 --> 44:16.980] That's right.
[44:16.980 --> 44:19.060] And I don't care about what happened
[44:19.060 --> 44:21.980] in that video from the BBC that was released on Wednesday,
[44:21.980 --> 44:23.460] went viral on Wednesday.
[44:23.460 --> 44:26.460] I really, that's not relevant to this particular case.
[44:26.460 --> 44:28.460] First of all, I said, look, you can see the gun is stuck
[44:28.460 --> 44:31.340] in the back of his waistband there in his back.
[44:31.380 --> 44:33.420] It's like, yeah, and he didn't pull it out, right?
[44:33.420 --> 44:34.260] So what's the deal?
[44:34.260 --> 44:35.100] This is the point.
[44:35.100 --> 44:36.740] They didn't kill him either, you know?
[44:36.740 --> 44:39.580] So if they could deal with that, then?
[44:39.580 --> 44:42.940] Yeah, it's totally appalling to see Trump talking
[44:42.940 --> 44:47.940] as if anybody with a gun should be presumed guilty,
[44:48.820 --> 44:51.740] especially if they've got a second magazine.
[44:51.740 --> 44:55.020] And I'm not gonna, how many bullets do the cops carry,
[44:55.020 --> 44:55.860] you know?
[44:55.860 --> 44:57.260] Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[44:57.260 --> 45:00.740] Yeah, well, I was at the Bundy Ranch standoff
[45:00.740 --> 45:01.580] there on the ground.
[45:01.580 --> 45:03.180] Oh, that was a great one.
[45:03.180 --> 45:04.020] Yeah, it was.
[45:04.020 --> 45:06.740] It was a big win.
[45:06.740 --> 45:08.260] Because what was good about that,
[45:08.260 --> 45:09.980] it wasn't just a protest.
[45:09.980 --> 45:11.780] They had a specific thing that they wanted.
[45:11.780 --> 45:13.780] They said, we want the cows back, you know?
[45:13.780 --> 45:15.100] So that you stole from us.
[45:15.100 --> 45:17.660] You want the cows back, okay.
[45:17.660 --> 45:19.620] And so it was very interesting.
[45:19.620 --> 45:21.580] But one of the things that came up in the aftermath of that,
[45:21.580 --> 45:23.620] when they came after several people
[45:23.620 --> 45:25.460] and sent some of them to jail,
[45:25.460 --> 45:30.060] they had a picture of a guy who was up above
[45:30.060 --> 45:33.860] on the road, trying to present him as a sniper.
[45:33.860 --> 45:37.580] And he was down, this is one of the protestors' side,
[45:37.580 --> 45:40.900] and he was down behind this concrete barrier there,
[45:40.900 --> 45:42.580] you know, road barrier.
[45:42.580 --> 45:44.980] And so was a woman behind him.
[45:44.980 --> 45:47.140] And so in the court case, I said,
[45:47.140 --> 45:49.580] so why is the defense attorney,
[45:49.580 --> 45:51.860] they were trying to make this guy out to be the aggressor
[45:51.860 --> 45:53.940] and the only threat that was there,
[45:53.940 --> 45:55.500] and the defense attorney says,
[45:55.500 --> 45:57.900] so why were you bending down and said,
[45:57.900 --> 45:59.660] sorry, you can't ask that question, you know?
[45:59.660 --> 46:01.580] Obviously, he's hiding behind the concrete barrier
[46:01.580 --> 46:04.740] because they were threatening to shoot us, right?
[46:04.740 --> 46:06.820] And they said, you can't ask that question.
[46:07.820 --> 46:12.740] Well, and that's a case I wrote about for USA Today.
[46:12.740 --> 46:16.540] And it's fascinating, a crux of that case,
[46:16.540 --> 46:19.180] and part of the reason there were armed people there
[46:19.180 --> 46:22.420] was the Bundys feared the FBI put snipers
[46:22.420 --> 46:24.020] around their house to kill them.
[46:24.020 --> 46:24.860] Yes, oh, they did.
[46:24.860 --> 46:26.180] Just like happened at Ruby Ridge.
[46:26.180 --> 46:27.340] Yeah, they did.
[46:27.340 --> 46:28.540] There was actually some of the guys there
[46:28.540 --> 46:32.140] cleaned out a sniper's nest one night there.
[46:32.140 --> 46:33.380] And so- Oh, that's interesting.
[46:33.380 --> 46:34.500] Yeah, yeah. Okay.
[46:34.500 --> 46:35.940] I was there. I wasn't aware of that,
[46:35.940 --> 46:38.580] but I know there was a federal judge,
[46:38.580 --> 46:42.260] her first name was Gloria, Hispanic lady.
[46:43.100 --> 46:48.100] But so the feds, I think in the retrial
[46:48.340 --> 46:51.900] of maybe the Bundys themselves,
[46:51.900 --> 46:53.940] the feds finally admitted that yes,
[46:54.900 --> 46:58.060] they did have snipers around the land
[46:58.060 --> 46:59.780] or the home of the Bundys.
[46:59.780 --> 47:01.860] And so there was a real threat,
[47:01.860 --> 47:06.100] whereas what the Obama people had done
[47:06.100 --> 47:07.300] was try to portray them,
[47:07.300 --> 47:10.660] and then the Trump people as well in the first term,
[47:10.660 --> 47:13.980] is to portray those protesters as just kind of
[47:13.980 --> 47:17.020] complete liars, untrustworthy troublemakers,
[47:17.020 --> 47:19.100] because they were saying there were FBI snipers
[47:19.100 --> 47:20.260] around their house.
[47:20.260 --> 47:22.100] And of course, that's nonsense.
[47:22.140 --> 47:24.740] But when it finally came out,
[47:24.740 --> 47:26.700] the federal judge was so furious,
[47:26.700 --> 47:29.340] I think that she just threw the entire case out of court.
[47:29.340 --> 47:30.180] That's right.
[47:30.180 --> 47:31.060] They would have hung all of them.
[47:31.060 --> 47:32.900] I mean, if there had been,
[47:32.900 --> 47:36.420] there was a BLM agent who became a whistleblower.
[47:36.420 --> 47:37.260] Oh, he was great.
[47:37.260 --> 47:38.100] He was great.
[47:38.100 --> 47:38.940] Yes, a Mormon guy.
[47:38.940 --> 47:40.460] And if it hadn't been for him,
[47:40.460 --> 47:42.860] that judge would have railroaded,
[47:42.860 --> 47:45.020] they did already send several people to prison
[47:45.020 --> 47:47.300] for long prison sentences.
[47:47.300 --> 47:49.380] And I didn't follow up on that
[47:49.380 --> 47:51.180] to see if they got a pardon with it or not.
[47:51.180 --> 47:54.540] But basically with the whistleblower's information,
[47:54.540 --> 47:56.140] she realized that they'd been lying to her
[47:56.140 --> 47:57.060] and that got her angry.
[47:57.060 --> 48:00.780] And so she acquitted them with prejudice or whatever,
[48:00.780 --> 48:02.820] so they couldn't come after them again.
[48:02.820 --> 48:04.660] But she had been really rough
[48:04.660 --> 48:08.140] in terms of shutting down obvious questions like that.
[48:08.140 --> 48:09.900] Why is this person hiding,
[48:09.900 --> 48:12.980] and crouched down behind a concrete barrier like that?
[48:12.980 --> 48:14.300] And other people who didn't have guns
[48:14.300 --> 48:15.260] were doing the same thing.
[48:15.260 --> 48:16.860] And it was simply the answer is,
[48:16.860 --> 48:18.100] because I was there,
[48:18.100 --> 48:18.940] heard them yelling,
[48:18.980 --> 48:22.900] get back, disperse or we're gonna shoot.
[48:22.900 --> 48:25.100] And they had their guns pointed at us.
[48:25.100 --> 48:25.940] Wow.
[48:25.940 --> 48:27.060] Yeah. Wow.
[48:27.060 --> 48:30.540] Well, it's good that didn't make you lose faith
[48:30.540 --> 48:31.380] in the system.
[48:31.380 --> 48:35.940] I didn't have any faith in the system to start with.
[48:35.940 --> 48:38.740] So yeah, I didn't lose any more faith in the system.
[48:40.260 --> 48:42.900] No, I don't have any faith in the system at all.
[48:45.100 --> 48:45.940] That was great.
[48:45.940 --> 48:47.860] Well, tell us what you're up to.
[48:47.900 --> 48:50.180] And I see a book there in the back,
[48:50.180 --> 48:53.500] Last Rights, is that a recent publication that you have?
[48:53.500 --> 48:56.300] That's the most recent book I've got, Last Rights.
[48:57.420 --> 49:00.660] It's an update of all the different government crimes
[49:00.660 --> 49:01.500] and abuses.
[49:01.500 --> 49:03.300] I did Lost Rights over 30 years ago,
[49:03.300 --> 49:06.700] and Last Rights is how things have gotten a lot worse
[49:06.700 --> 49:10.580] since 1994 when the Lost Rights came out.
[49:10.580 --> 49:11.940] We're scraping the bottom of the barrel now
[49:11.940 --> 49:13.300] at this point, aren't we?
[49:13.300 --> 49:17.020] It's, well, there's a lot of good examples to write about,
[49:17.180 --> 49:19.020] but I don't know how much good it does.
[49:19.900 --> 49:22.500] So I've got the books,
[49:22.500 --> 49:25.460] I've got a right for various think tanks,
[49:25.460 --> 49:28.940] Mises, Libertarian Institute of Future Freedom Foundation.
[49:30.260 --> 49:33.380] I do stuff for New York Post,
[49:33.380 --> 49:35.260] I do stuff for some magazines,
[49:35.260 --> 49:38.100] I've done some stuff recently for Reason.
[49:38.100 --> 49:39.940] So, you know, here and there,
[49:39.940 --> 49:43.660] just trying to hustle and keep positive cash flow.
[49:43.660 --> 49:45.660] And again, when you look at somebody who,
[49:45.940 --> 49:50.460] I've never seen more open contempt for the First Amendment
[49:50.460 --> 49:51.620] than Donald Trump.
[49:53.100 --> 49:56.020] I think he's surpassed Richard Nixon on this.
[49:57.020 --> 49:59.100] The $10 billion lawsuit that he's got
[49:59.100 --> 50:01.540] against the Wall Street Journal that you've written for.
[50:01.540 --> 50:06.540] Oh, oh, oh, yeah, I mean, Trump and his lawsuits
[50:06.540 --> 50:08.540] is like $10 billion because you said
[50:08.540 --> 50:09.940] I sent a birthday card.
[50:09.940 --> 50:11.220] Yeah, and then they show it.
[50:11.220 --> 50:13.660] Here's the fricking card, okay?
[50:13.660 --> 50:16.660] Well, yeah, but I'm still suing you.
[50:16.660 --> 50:20.780] It's like, I mean, there's, this is called Slapsuits.
[50:20.780 --> 50:25.780] What's the strategic lawsuit against public participation,
[50:28.020 --> 50:30.060] I think is how the acronym goes.
[50:30.060 --> 50:31.980] But Trump has done that so much.
[50:31.980 --> 50:32.820] Oh, yeah.
[50:33.700 --> 50:37.780] And as some, I mean, okay, I mean,
[50:37.780 --> 50:39.660] one of the things that's most astounding
[50:39.660 --> 50:42.460] is that I think Trump was suing 60 Minutes
[50:42.460 --> 50:46.020] because of how they edited an interview with Kamala Harris.
[50:46.020 --> 50:47.660] I know, I know.
[50:47.660 --> 50:51.380] And you had the White House press secretary
[50:51.380 --> 50:53.820] threatening a massive lawsuit if,
[50:53.820 --> 50:58.340] was it CBS did any editing of Trump's interview
[50:58.340 --> 51:01.020] or with them recently, it's kind of like,
[51:01.020 --> 51:04.580] so editing is now a crime or what?
[51:04.580 --> 51:06.300] Yeah, don't do any editing, yeah.
[51:06.300 --> 51:08.340] Everybody has to do editing.
[51:08.340 --> 51:09.540] I mean, the,
[51:10.500 --> 51:13.500] you've got a time slot that you've got to fit this into, so.
[51:13.500 --> 51:16.900] Yeah, I mean, if Trump was Sparter,
[51:16.900 --> 51:20.700] he would realize he needs an editor as much as anybody.
[51:20.700 --> 51:23.940] Because good Lord, going on for two hours,
[51:23.940 --> 51:27.060] it's like he's inspired by Fidel Castro.
[51:29.060 --> 51:30.460] That's absolutely right, yeah.
[51:30.460 --> 51:34.220] So you got your ticket yet for the Melania premiere
[51:34.220 --> 51:35.860] that's going to be today, so.
[51:35.900 --> 51:37.740] Oh.
[51:37.740 --> 51:39.900] If you buy a ticket, you can have a private screening
[51:39.900 --> 51:42.540] because you'll be the only person in the theater.
[51:42.540 --> 51:45.220] Well, this is going to be interesting.
[51:45.220 --> 51:47.020] I mean, I hope that there's not a war
[51:47.020 --> 51:49.260] to distract how the movie does badly.
[51:51.460 --> 51:52.940] Well, it's kind of interesting, you know,
[51:52.940 --> 51:54.660] we're talking about the lawsuits about,
[51:54.660 --> 51:57.900] don't talk about me and Jeffrey Epstein, things like that,
[51:57.900 --> 51:59.300] because they threatened a lot of people,
[51:59.300 --> 52:02.420] Melania did, with lawsuits as well as Donald Trump.
[52:02.420 --> 52:04.460] And I think it's going to be kind of interesting
[52:04.460 --> 52:06.180] what happens with Michael Wolff,
[52:06.180 --> 52:08.900] because they had threats of lawsuits
[52:08.900 --> 52:12.780] for people who were repeating what Michael Wolff had said,
[52:12.780 --> 52:15.900] essentially about Jeffrey Epstein.
[52:15.900 --> 52:17.820] And I thought, well, why don't they sue him?
[52:17.820 --> 52:20.300] He's the one who is the source of this information.
[52:20.300 --> 52:23.260] So they threatened him with that, and he said,
[52:23.260 --> 52:25.300] okay, that's it, I'm going to sue you.
[52:25.300 --> 52:26.580] So he's kind of kicked that off.
[52:26.580 --> 52:28.820] It'll be interesting to see how that develops.
[52:28.820 --> 52:30.860] I think we'll get more information out of that
[52:30.860 --> 52:33.220] than we will out of any of the Epstein documents
[52:33.220 --> 52:35.740] that are sitting on Pam Bondi's desk purportedly.
[52:36.620 --> 52:40.340] Well, it's so brazen that the Trump folks
[52:40.340 --> 52:43.220] have got total contempt for disclosure,
[52:43.220 --> 52:45.060] contempt for federal law,
[52:45.060 --> 52:47.460] contempt for their president's own promises,
[52:47.460 --> 52:49.660] and the top law enforcement officials promising.
[52:49.660 --> 52:54.260] And it's like, okay, it's almost as if they have decided
[52:54.260 --> 52:58.060] that they don't need any credibility with most Americans
[52:58.060 --> 53:00.660] and almost all the media,
[53:00.660 --> 53:03.460] because they're so powerful, or they're so wonderful,
[53:03.460 --> 53:04.860] or that they can get away with anything.
[53:04.860 --> 53:08.860] So that's Nixon-like in a way, as you said earlier.
[53:08.860 --> 53:11.300] Yeah, it is, absolutely.
[53:11.300 --> 53:14.060] Well, you kind of got to start with Roger Stone,
[53:14.060 --> 53:15.860] who's got a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
[53:15.860 --> 53:18.740] And that's one of the things I thought was amazing.
[53:18.740 --> 53:20.540] I worked there at Infowars for a while,
[53:20.540 --> 53:23.460] and Roger's got that tattoo of Richard Nixon.
[53:23.460 --> 53:24.860] I was like, how does that square
[53:24.860 --> 53:27.580] with the idea of being libertarian?
[53:27.580 --> 53:29.700] I never could figure that one out, so.
[53:29.700 --> 53:34.700] Well, yeah, I mean, I will not ask you any questions
[53:35.820 --> 53:38.620] about a former employer in his position on the shooting.
[53:38.620 --> 53:40.700] Oh, yeah, exactly, Alex Jones.
[53:40.700 --> 53:41.780] It's been disgraceful.
[53:41.780 --> 53:42.660] I tweeted about that.
[53:42.660 --> 53:45.420] I got a lot of people angry at me because of what I said.
[53:45.420 --> 53:47.540] I said, I can't believe I ever worked for this guy.
[53:47.540 --> 53:50.380] But he completely flipped on the police state.
[53:50.380 --> 53:52.500] I mean, he did documentary after documentary
[53:52.500 --> 53:53.740] about the police state. Yeah, Bridget Planet.
[53:53.740 --> 53:57.900] Now he is all cheering it, as well as Foreign Waters.
[53:57.900 --> 54:00.500] I mean, he's just, you know, money talks, I guess.
[54:00.500 --> 54:03.860] And we can kind of assume who's paying him, you know.
[54:03.860 --> 54:06.060] Wow. It truly is amazing.
[54:06.060 --> 54:09.940] Well, it might pay off his next libel lawsuit losing.
[54:09.940 --> 54:11.740] Yeah, that's right, that's right.
[54:11.740 --> 54:14.540] Well, Jim is great talking to you as always.
[54:14.540 --> 54:16.580] And again, the book is Last Rites.
[54:16.580 --> 54:17.660] That's your most recent one.
[54:17.660 --> 54:20.420] And people can get that anywhere books are sold, I'm sure.
[54:20.420 --> 54:23.780] And they can find your website,
[54:23.780 --> 54:25.900] which will have, I guess, links to any of the articles
[54:26.100 --> 54:28.460] since you write for so many different outlets.
[54:28.460 --> 54:30.580] They can go to jimbovar.com
[54:30.580 --> 54:34.620] and find your op-ed pieces there in your articles.
[54:34.620 --> 54:37.460] That's the best place for them to find you, right?
[54:37.460 --> 54:39.460] Yeah. Hey, thanks so much for having me on.
[54:39.460 --> 54:40.900] Thanks for your kind words.
[54:40.900 --> 54:43.020] And thanks for keeping up the fight.
[54:43.020 --> 54:43.860] Well, thank you.
[54:43.860 --> 54:45.860] And thank you for all the work and the research
[54:45.860 --> 54:46.940] that you have turned up.
[54:46.940 --> 54:49.460] You've done some very valuable research with that.
[54:49.460 --> 54:50.300] Thank you, Jim.
[54:50.300 --> 54:52.420] Appreciate it. Have a good day.
[54:52.420 --> 54:54.260] Well, that's it for today's broadcast.
[54:54.260 --> 54:55.660] This is my grandson here.
[54:56.500 --> 54:58.180] And we're gonna all try to stay warm.
[54:58.180 --> 55:01.380] He's got a special penguin suit here.
[55:01.380 --> 55:03.900] I wanna thank everybody who has supported us this month.
[55:03.900 --> 55:05.180] We're at about 75%.
[55:05.180 --> 55:08.260] But we're gonna go by this afternoon, Friday,
[55:08.260 --> 55:11.220] and check the PO box again.
[55:11.220 --> 55:13.020] And we will update the gas gauge
[55:13.020 --> 55:14.940] to let you know who we wound up.
[55:14.940 --> 55:16.740] But, hi, Karen.
[55:16.740 --> 55:17.580] I see you.
[55:17.580 --> 55:20.180] But thank you so much for joining us.
[55:20.180 --> 55:21.380] Have a great weekend.
[55:21.380 --> 55:23.820] And again, be careful with all the ice.
[55:23.820 --> 55:24.660] Goodbye.
[55:26.060 --> 55:27.060] The Common Man.
[55:34.460 --> 55:35.300] The Common Man.
[55:38.540 --> 55:41.580] They created Common Core to dumb down our children.
[55:41.580 --> 55:44.700] They created Common Pass to track and control us.
[55:44.700 --> 55:47.620] Their commons project to make sure the commoners
[55:47.620 --> 55:51.260] own nothing and the communist future.
[55:52.260 --> 55:54.420] They see the common man as simple,
[55:54.420 --> 55:56.100] unsophisticated, ordinary.
[55:56.980 --> 55:59.460] But each of us has worth and dignity
[55:59.460 --> 56:01.580] created in the image of God.
[56:03.580 --> 56:05.580] That is what we have in common.
[56:05.580 --> 56:08.140] That is what they want to take away.
[56:08.140 --> 56:10.700] Their most powerful weapons are isolation,
[56:10.700 --> 56:13.220] deception, intimidation.
[56:13.220 --> 56:15.660] They desire to know everything about us
[56:15.660 --> 56:18.740] while they hide everything from us.
[56:19.020 --> 56:20.740] It's time to turn that around
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