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[01:07.300 --> 01:10.000]  All right, welcome back and joining us now is Wayne Morrow.
[01:10.000 --> 01:17.900]  He is the CEO of the John Birch Society and he's got something I think is very interesting to talk about.
[01:17.900 --> 01:20.900]  And that is Fabian Socialism.
[01:20.900 --> 01:26.500]  You probably heard this term before, but maybe you don't understand what it is or the difference between it
[01:26.500 --> 01:32.500]  and the Marx and Karl Marx's approach and how much more dangerous it is.
[01:32.500 --> 01:37.300]  You know, for me growing up, Fabian was a teen idol.
[01:37.300 --> 01:40.300]  And I saw Fabian Socialism as like, what is that?
[01:40.300 --> 01:43.800]  You know, but actually he was a famous Roman general.
[01:43.800 --> 01:49.700]  And the and I guess Fabian's parents were Italian.
[01:49.700 --> 01:54.500]  And I guess maybe that was the namesake or they might have been socialists.
[01:54.500 --> 02:04.900]  But anyway, it is important to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics that they use to achieve the same totalitarian goals.
[02:04.900 --> 02:08.400]  So joining us now is Wayne Morrow, CEO of the John Birch Society.
[02:08.400 --> 02:09.900]  Thank you for joining us, sir.
[02:09.900 --> 02:11.800]  Thank you, David. Appreciate being here.
[02:11.800 --> 02:20.800]  And yeah, it's Fabian's, much like the Council on Foreign Relations, very little known about people in their respective countries.
[02:20.800 --> 02:23.400]  It's sort of that secretive behind the scenes group.
[02:23.400 --> 02:25.700]  You know, that's part of the plan, you know.
[02:25.700 --> 02:34.600]  And you mentioned you told me just as we were talking here, just before you came on, how you there is also a book that the John Birch Society sells called the Fabian Freeway.
[02:34.600 --> 02:36.800]  Yes, very in-depth book.
[02:36.800 --> 02:41.300]  Yeah, yeah, it's a book we've written past and we republished it.
[02:41.300 --> 02:44.200]  We have our own publishing company called the Western Islands.
[02:44.200 --> 02:52.300]  And the Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis of the Fabians and how it impacted our even our U.S. policies and our foreign policies.
[02:52.300 --> 02:57.600]  It all ties together, but it's a real good book and it's over about 600 pages.
[02:57.600 --> 03:00.300]  So it's not a quick read, but it's in depth.
[03:00.300 --> 03:05.300]  And I think it's for people who are serious students about history and what goes on today.
[03:05.300 --> 03:08.300]  Surely I call it we're the top of the puzzle box.
[03:08.300 --> 03:10.200]  You know, now we understand what goes on.
[03:10.200 --> 03:11.900]  That's right. That's right.
[03:11.900 --> 03:14.400]  But tell us a little bit about us about Fabian socialism.
[03:14.400 --> 03:20.700]  You know, what was it about that general that they liked and how does that tell us about their tactics?
[03:20.700 --> 03:23.200]  And how is it different from Marxism?
[03:23.200 --> 03:24.200]  Well, that's a good question.
[03:24.200 --> 03:28.600]  Well, anyway, the genesis is, as you mentioned, Quintus Fabius Maximus.
[03:28.600 --> 03:32.500]  He was a Roman general, very slow moving.
[03:32.500 --> 03:37.900]  He was very, you know, quiet, but he was slow and unforceful.
[03:37.900 --> 03:47.700]  And much like the Fabians took his name because that's the process they want, you know, their moniker originally was wolf and sheep's clothing.
[03:47.700 --> 03:49.400]  And that didn't work over too well.
[03:49.400 --> 03:51.300]  Look at that one.
[03:51.300 --> 03:54.200]  And they said, now we'll go switch to a turtle.
[03:54.200 --> 03:57.300]  I think the Republicans, Democrats could use that imagery as well.
[03:57.300 --> 04:02.200]  Thanks to a donkey and an elephant, they could have a wolf and a sheep's clothing for both of them.
[04:02.200 --> 04:05.200]  They had to change their moniker because it wasn't going over well.
[04:05.200 --> 04:14.400]  But, you know, if you go back to the genesis of it all, Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner were involved in forming this elite group.
[04:14.500 --> 04:19.600]  George Bernard Shaw was certainly one of the members and the web, Sidney Webb and all.
[04:19.600 --> 04:23.700]  And, you know, they were very open about socialism.
[04:23.700 --> 04:39.200]  And, you know, the dispute they had between Marx and themselves was they wanted to believe in the more of the ethical, slow moving educational route versus violence.
[04:39.200 --> 04:42.300]  And so that was their goal.
[04:42.300 --> 04:46.700]  So, you know, they formed, you know, the London School of Economics.
[04:46.700 --> 04:57.700]  And out of that school, you know, they put in place various key legislators in government and even in institutions around the UK.
[04:57.700 --> 05:07.000]  And they knew that by influencing public policy, it didn't make any difference who was the elected official because they were setting the policy.
[05:07.000 --> 05:09.500]  They do that today, as a matter of fact.
[05:09.500 --> 05:14.500]  And so George Bernard Shaw was he was also very large on eugenics.
[05:14.500 --> 05:20.700]  Matter of fact, I don't have that video clip, but if you could listen to the audio clip, he talks about once every five years.
[05:20.700 --> 05:22.100]  This is this one.
[05:22.100 --> 05:27.300]  We'd have to stand in front of this board to determine if we should be worthy of staying alive or not.
[05:27.300 --> 05:36.100]  He actually said that, you know, so he's going to imagine that just destroyed my appreciation of my fair lady, right?
[05:36.200 --> 05:38.500]  Can you imagine? You can listen to it.
[05:38.500 --> 05:40.700]  Don't believe me. You can look it up. You can listen to the video.
[05:40.700 --> 05:42.900]  I'll do a clip. It's amazing.
[05:42.900 --> 05:52.100]  And, you know, and so every prime minister, every Labour Party member of the UK is part of is a Fabian.
[05:52.100 --> 06:00.200]  And so the Fabian's goal is is always has been, as we call it, socialism with a slow walk to Marxism.
[06:00.200 --> 06:05.800]  And what they want to do is govern every aspect of your life and force globalism.
[06:05.800 --> 06:14.000]  So as you see now today with Keir Starmer, who, by the way, is a Fabian, as well as the mayor of London, you're watching it happen.
[06:14.000 --> 06:15.600]  The country being destroyed.
[06:15.600 --> 06:22.900]  And I have podcasts with folks in London and I tell them this is all to Q.
[06:22.900 --> 06:30.700]  This is exactly what the plan is to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring in usher in world government.
[06:30.700 --> 06:39.100]  Now, when you say yes, when you say they're Fabians, is there still an organization that they belong as an active member,
[06:39.100 --> 06:41.600]  like somebody would belong to the joint John Birch Society?
[06:41.600 --> 06:44.600]  So they actually have the Fabian Society there?
[06:44.600 --> 06:50.000]  Yes. Yeah. Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians, you know, guard carry a member.
[06:50.000 --> 06:53.700]  He's very active with it, by the way, you know, with the World Economic Forum.
[06:53.700 --> 06:57.100]  Interesting. But if you go online, you can look up the Fabian Society.
[06:57.100 --> 06:58.700]  They have organization in Australia.
[06:58.700 --> 07:01.900]  They're young Fabians, you know, but they exist.
[07:01.900 --> 07:03.300]  I mean, they exist today.
[07:03.300 --> 07:09.300]  And when I speak to the British, very few really understand the Fabians.
[07:09.300 --> 07:12.200]  Liz Trust, I met Liz Trust, the past prime minister.
[07:12.200 --> 07:17.800]  I was at a CEO conference and I gave her my card and I said, I'll send you a copy of the Fabian freeway.
[07:17.800 --> 07:21.800]  Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomenon.
[07:21.800 --> 07:25.000]  Because they said you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz.
[07:25.100 --> 07:27.500]  But, you know, I think she knew exactly what they were.
[07:27.500 --> 07:34.100]  But the whole thing was, David, back in Woodrow Wilson's days,
[07:34.100 --> 07:39.000]  when he actually worked with Colonel Mandel House, another globalist,
[07:39.000 --> 07:41.300]  they formed this thing called the Inquiry.
[07:41.300 --> 07:45.100]  And the Inquiry was a group of men, we're British and US,
[07:45.100 --> 07:48.800]  and they disguise how are we going to work together
[07:48.800 --> 07:54.600]  and kind of really conquer the world as far as a political agenda and then eventually total.
[07:54.600 --> 07:59.200]  And so that was the genesis of the Council on Foreign Relations.
[07:59.200 --> 08:02.600]  So the Council on Foreign Relations, which is housed in New York City,
[08:02.600 --> 08:10.200]  they and the Fabians work together as we speak today and setting governance and policy.
[08:10.200 --> 08:10.900]  And they do that.
[08:10.900 --> 08:16.400]  Regardless what the elections look like, they're behind the scenes doing foreign policy.
[08:16.400 --> 08:18.500]  And that's why we always look at each other.
[08:18.500 --> 08:20.500]  Why doesn't everything change?
[08:20.500 --> 08:25.900]  Well, that's because behind the scenes the same folks have been working the agenda.
[08:25.900 --> 08:26.900]  That's what's going on.
[08:26.900 --> 08:31.500]  And we have to bring the light to the UK people, as well as the United States,
[08:31.500 --> 08:37.100]  that this group, these groups are hard at work directing our foreign policy,
[08:37.100 --> 08:38.100]  but our future.
[08:38.100 --> 08:39.400]  It is for world government.
[08:39.400 --> 08:41.400]  It's nothing to do with freedom.
[08:41.400 --> 08:47.300]  And our job at the Bird Society is through education to make people aware of who they are
[08:47.300 --> 08:48.400]  so we know what to do.
[08:48.400 --> 08:49.400]  It's not mystical.
[08:49.400 --> 08:50.700]  It's not magical.
[08:50.700 --> 08:53.400]  It's not a beauty contest when you elect somebody.
[08:53.400 --> 08:56.900]  But we have to know the threats are real and we see it today.
[08:56.900 --> 08:58.100]  Yes.
[08:58.100 --> 09:00.300]  It sounds very much like Antonio Gramsci,
[09:00.300 --> 09:04.000]  the father of the Italian Communist Party's strategy,
[09:04.000 --> 09:06.300]  where he wanted to march through the institutions.
[09:06.300 --> 09:09.400]  How is it different than Gramsci's communism?
[09:09.400 --> 09:15.900]  Because I mentioned Antonio Gramsci because Pete Buttigieg is what I call him.
[09:15.900 --> 09:17.600]  Because he's very proud of that.
[09:17.600 --> 09:21.500]  But, you know, his father has spent his entire career at Notre Dame.
[09:21.500 --> 09:24.400]  That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsci.
[09:24.400 --> 09:31.600]  And he had him go to Harvard where he studied under Sokvan Berkovich,
[09:31.600 --> 09:35.500]  who was also very much a fan of Italian communism.
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[10:38.900 --> 10:46.400]  And so, you know, I learned something about Antonio Gramsci because of booty gay.
[10:46.500 --> 10:50.000]  But I also called him booty marks because that's really where they're trying to take us.
[10:50.000 --> 10:54.000]  But again, it is a slow march through the institutions.
[10:54.000 --> 10:55.600]  And so what is the difference?
[10:55.600 --> 10:59.600]  Is it that one of them was Italian and the other one was predominantly English and American,
[10:59.600 --> 11:01.300]  kind of Anglo?
[11:01.300 --> 11:01.500]  Yeah.
[11:01.500 --> 11:04.900]  Well, Gramsci was involved as an Italian.
[11:04.900 --> 11:06.500]  He's from Sardinia.
[11:06.500 --> 11:09.100]  And he was grew up in that area farm.
[11:09.100 --> 11:13.700]  He watched the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers.
[11:13.700 --> 11:18.900]  He actually has a book called, David, called the Gramsci papers, prison papers.
[11:18.900 --> 11:21.900]  And that's about this thing I have behind me in my library.
[11:21.900 --> 11:24.500]  And it was written on toilet paper, by the way.
[11:24.500 --> 11:32.200]  And he passed it to his sister and it became the Gramsci pay the prison papers.
[11:32.200 --> 11:37.600]  And Gramsci was, you know, a threat to, you know, the Nazis in Germany.
[11:37.600 --> 11:39.700]  And that's why it was called the Frankfurt School.
[11:39.700 --> 11:41.900]  And Hitler tossed him out of the United States.
[11:41.900 --> 11:44.200]  And they ended up in Columbia University.
[11:44.200 --> 11:53.800]  And so the goal then was then to indoctrinate and reduce the morality of young college students
[11:53.800 --> 11:56.300]  and shove down their throats socialism, communism.
[11:56.300 --> 12:03.300]  So now we have the professors from various institutions in the country about,
[12:03.300 --> 12:05.500]  remember that then the 60s about the hippie movement.
[12:05.500 --> 12:09.900]  All that was all coming from the Frankfurt School through Columbia University destroyed.
[12:09.900 --> 12:12.100]  They knew they have. This is what Gramsci said.
[12:12.100 --> 12:17.200]  David, I can't we can't destroy the United States or Western societies.
[12:17.200 --> 12:20.800]  We talked to it economically. That's hard.
[12:20.800 --> 12:25.000]  Yeah, we have to change them morally because if we could do that,
[12:25.000 --> 12:28.500]  we could destroy the morality because that's the glue that holds them together.
[12:28.500 --> 12:30.300]  Then we can destroy them.
[12:30.300 --> 12:35.300]  And that's what that's the whole story with the Frankfurt School, which ended up at Columbia University.
[12:35.300 --> 12:38.900]  If you think about it, where we are back in the 40s to where today
[12:38.900 --> 12:41.700]  you could see the morality of the United States going the other direction.
[12:41.700 --> 12:44.000]  And that's all according to plan.
[12:44.000 --> 12:47.500]  And that's why they got so heavily involved in Hollywood and the entertainment business as well.
[12:47.500 --> 12:50.000]  Absolutely correct. And that's what happened.
[12:50.000 --> 12:55.800]  So they knew that's exactly one of the key points that makes the United States
[12:55.800 --> 13:00.300]  and Western civilization so strong is our moral behavior and our beliefs.
[13:00.300 --> 13:03.700]  So that's what we see today. But that's the difference between the two.
[13:03.700 --> 13:07.500]  And so they're Marxist, but they use that social element.
[13:07.500 --> 13:11.600]  They said Karl Marx wasn't right. He thought economics was the only way.
[13:11.600 --> 13:13.600]  No, we're going to have to do the moral end of it.
[13:13.600 --> 13:15.900]  So that's they morphed it into another strategy.
[13:15.900 --> 13:18.600]  But it's all the same man. Goal is stole slavery.
[13:18.600 --> 13:25.000]  And you can see that very much in what Sakhvan Berkovich focused on there at Harvard.
[13:25.000 --> 13:30.100]  Everything for him was a product of Puritanism.
[13:30.100 --> 13:36.000]  And so we've got to overthrow this whole the Puritan roots of America and we've got to attack it at its foundation.
[13:36.000 --> 13:41.400]  But he was really what he was trying to do was to attack the moral foundation of the country.
[13:41.400 --> 13:43.200]  That's why he focused on that so much.
[13:43.200 --> 13:46.800]  But everything he talked about was in terms of that.
[13:46.800 --> 13:52.100]  You know, well, this is because of the Mayflower and we've got to get rid of that.
[13:52.100 --> 13:56.500]  But it is kind of interesting. And of course, we see other approaches as well.
[13:56.500 --> 14:02.600]  You had people like Bill Ayers.
[14:03.600 --> 14:10.700]  They decided that they would they said, well, we've had class struggles over, you know, for Marxism in Europe.
[14:10.700 --> 14:13.000]  That's not going to work here. It's not working here that well.
[14:13.000 --> 14:14.500]  So let's go to a race struggle.
[14:14.500 --> 14:18.500]  So there's yet another approach that the communists have taken.
[14:18.500 --> 14:23.400]  They've got so many different prongs to get all of them take us to the same hell.
[14:23.400 --> 14:26.900]  Don't they?
[14:26.900 --> 14:28.900]  Yeah, we do the dirty work for them.
[14:28.900 --> 14:32.800]  We have, you know, class struggles, men against women.
[14:32.800 --> 14:34.600]  That's another big one right now.
[14:34.600 --> 14:38.500]  Children against their parents, black versus white or tan.
[14:38.500 --> 14:41.500]  It's all about it's all about conflict and war.
[14:41.500 --> 14:49.700]  That's the that's the that's their goal because they need that to enforce more rules and regulations in the government and less freedom.
[14:49.700 --> 14:51.300]  You guys can't play nice.
[14:51.300 --> 14:53.700]  OK, well, we're going to incite that in there.
[14:53.700 --> 14:57.100]  And, you know, the Marxists knew that one of the goals.
[14:57.200 --> 15:02.700]  And it's written over a period of time, lots of documentation on how that works.
[15:02.700 --> 15:07.800]  But that's the goal. So they're playing to our frailties of humans.
[15:07.800 --> 15:19.100]  You know, rich versus poor, black versus white, tan versus white, Chinese, whatever doesn't make a difference because their end game is world government.
[15:19.100 --> 15:21.100]  And they know that they can't have a lot of us.
[15:21.100 --> 15:23.400]  So we have to we have to exterminate some.
[15:23.400 --> 15:26.500]  So let those guys exterminate themselves.
[15:26.500 --> 15:35.600]  And that's what we see, you know, and we're seeing that now in the UK as we start our conversation about the Fabians as I talk to the folks in the UK.
[15:35.600 --> 15:37.000]  We're watching their country.
[15:37.000 --> 15:40.200]  And I used to live there and work there in Oxfordshire.
[15:40.200 --> 15:41.800]  So I know the country rather well.
[15:41.800 --> 15:48.300]  And I'm watching those folks being destroyed by the invaders on purpose.
[15:48.400 --> 15:58.000]  But they're doing the dirty work, destroying all their history and terror and terror into those folks in Ireland as well as the UK.
[15:58.000 --> 16:00.000]  And they're concerned.
[16:00.000 --> 16:04.400]  But I'm seeing a resurgence of the British citizen rising up.
[16:04.400 --> 16:05.700]  I was about a month ago.
[16:05.700 --> 16:12.500]  You recall in London, they had people marching with the British flag.
[16:12.500 --> 16:14.600]  It wasn't two hundred thousand, David.
[16:14.700 --> 16:19.000]  We had people that were there and they said it was more like three million people were there.
[16:19.000 --> 16:23.700]  You'll see farmer trucks now marching into London with their tractors.
[16:23.700 --> 16:25.400]  They don't want to be slaves.
[16:25.400 --> 16:27.700]  And I've talked to enough Europeans.
[16:27.700 --> 16:30.700]  They don't want to be part of the European EC any longer.
[16:30.700 --> 16:32.400]  They're losing their sovereignty.
[16:32.400 --> 16:34.400]  They love their history, David.
[16:34.400 --> 16:35.500]  And they really respect.
[16:35.500 --> 16:42.800]  And when I travel throughout Europe, when I live there, they really love their history and they love their heritage.
[16:42.800 --> 16:46.800]  It's being destroyed systematically and it does not work.
[16:46.800 --> 16:49.500]  One one thing I wanted to tell you, which is interesting.
[16:49.500 --> 16:54.200]  I found out talking to several of the folks within, you know, past legislators.
[16:54.200 --> 16:59.500]  They tell me they get their news about the United States in two ways.
[16:59.500 --> 17:03.800]  CNN and the New York Times.
[17:03.800 --> 17:04.600]  What does that tell you, David?
[17:04.600 --> 17:06.800]  Yeah, yeah.
[17:06.800 --> 17:08.900]  They need to get some different sources.
[17:08.900 --> 17:10.600]  Yeah, you're going to see CNN.
[17:10.600 --> 17:11.900]  I go, what is that doing in there?
[17:11.900 --> 17:15.400]  You know, I'm in, you know, I'm in Hungary or I'm in Italy.
[17:15.400 --> 17:17.800]  I'm watching CNN.
[17:17.800 --> 17:19.800]  But that's how they look at the United States.
[17:19.800 --> 17:21.800]  I said, well, that's totally upside down.
[17:21.800 --> 17:22.800]  You know, yeah.
[17:22.800 --> 17:27.700]  Well, I had a friend who worked in the Pentagon and, you know, about 20, 30 years ago.
[17:27.700 --> 17:33.800]  And when I talked to him, he said, yeah, CNN is playing on the screen all over the Pentagon, all the different rooms and everything.
[17:33.800 --> 17:35.800]  Oh, yeah.
[17:35.800 --> 17:36.900]  Communist News Network.
[17:36.900 --> 17:37.700]  That's right.
[17:37.700 --> 17:41.500]  It's it's very important that who you listen to.
[17:41.500 --> 17:45.700]  You know, and I've always tried to listen to various sources.
[17:45.700 --> 17:57.900]  And I would go to the I always preferred people who would tell me what they think and why they think it rather than the people who try to be this mushy middle like Time and Newsweek.
[17:57.900 --> 18:05.600]  You know, so I was always looking at The Nation or National Review or something like that, even though I don't support their views.
[18:05.600 --> 18:11.800]  I'd like to see that conflict that was there because a lot of times that would help me to understand where I stood on the issue.
[18:11.800 --> 18:14.300]  So I try to get these people that are opposed to each other.
[18:14.300 --> 18:18.200]  But most people just go for something like Time or Newsweek or CNN.
[18:18.200 --> 18:25.600]  And it's kind of the the mushy middle that's up there by the Mockingbird programs that are out there for people.
[18:25.600 --> 18:28.700]  But that's why it's very important for people to educate themselves.
[18:28.700 --> 18:31.600]  And that's a very important thing that you do at the John Birch Society.
[18:31.600 --> 18:34.800]  Tell us a little bit about the John Birch Society and how it's organized.
[18:35.800 --> 18:36.500]  Yes, thank you.
[18:36.500 --> 18:40.000]  We started in 1958 and our goal is education.
[18:40.000 --> 18:44.700]  You know, education is really critical for us, educating people about American values.
[18:44.700 --> 18:47.000]  Our job is limited government.
[18:47.000 --> 18:48.500]  You know, so people call us far right.
[18:48.500 --> 18:49.600]  That's not true.
[18:49.600 --> 18:53.900]  We're actually constitutional moderates, some form of government, but not total.
[18:53.900 --> 18:57.100]  All the left is all the isms, clearly fascism, right?
[18:57.100 --> 19:00.500]  And our job is to teach American Americanism is not taught anymore.
[19:00.500 --> 19:06.400]  So we have free courses online, the JBS.org about teaching about the Constitution.
[19:06.400 --> 19:10.400]  And we said, how do you like constitutional, my representative, state, local?
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[20:14.100 --> 20:16.000]  So how do you hold them accountable?
[20:16.000 --> 20:18.100]  And it's not taught on purpose.
[20:18.100 --> 20:20.400]  So now it becomes a personality contest.
[20:20.400 --> 20:21.100]  We don't want that.
[20:21.100 --> 20:25.900]  So we teach people Americanism and we give them the history and we show them who's behind the curtain.
[20:25.900 --> 20:30.400]  Like we mentioned the Fabians and the CFR and who's forming foreign policy.
[20:30.400 --> 20:33.000]  And once people know what goes on, that's important.
[20:33.000 --> 20:34.300]  We call it a conspiracy.
[20:34.300 --> 20:36.000]  It's not theory any longer.
[20:36.000 --> 20:37.500]  But the conspiracy says this.
[20:37.500 --> 20:40.400]  The first goal is to deny its existence.
[20:40.400 --> 20:41.600]  Of course.
[20:41.600 --> 20:43.200]  So we said, look, let's expose them.
[20:43.200 --> 20:43.800]  It's not us.
[20:43.800 --> 20:50.200]  That's why I have a thousand books behind me is that over the course of time it proves that they does exist.
[20:50.200 --> 20:53.200]  And they actually come out and talk about it.
[20:53.200 --> 20:55.000]  It's interesting.
[20:55.000 --> 21:03.500]  As we we as we look through time and look through history, I always go and go back to my UK experience where Otis Huxley was a Fabian.
[21:03.500 --> 21:06.300]  I go back to that for a second answer your question.
[21:06.300 --> 21:08.200]  And what happened is he was writing this.
[21:08.200 --> 21:11.800]  This guy was a young author writing all the information about what he heard.
[21:11.800 --> 21:16.400]  He was so excited about it that he decided to write a book.
[21:16.400 --> 21:18.500]  And he said, I can't use my pen name.
[21:18.500 --> 21:19.600]  My name is Eric Blair.
[21:19.600 --> 21:20.800]  I can't use that.
[21:20.800 --> 21:22.100]  I have to use a pen name.
[21:22.100 --> 21:28.000]  So I think my name is George and George Orwell is really the Eric Blair.
[21:28.000 --> 21:30.500]  And he wrote 1984 about the Fabians.
[21:30.500 --> 21:33.400]  And the question becomes, why is it 1984?
[21:33.400 --> 21:38.400]  Well, January 4th of 1884 is the foundational of the Fabians.
[21:38.400 --> 21:41.300]  And they said within 100 years, we have world government.
[21:41.300 --> 21:44.000]  That's why that book's titled 1984.
[21:44.000 --> 21:49.000]  So I heard people say because he wrote it in 1948.
[21:49.000 --> 21:52.700]  But yeah, that's the 100th anniversary.
[21:52.700 --> 21:53.200]  I don't believe it.
[21:53.200 --> 21:57.400]  Because he was indoctrinated by H.G. Wells and Otis Huxley.
[21:57.400 --> 22:02.100]  When he writes about Big Brother and Newspeak, that's all about the Fabians.
[22:02.100 --> 22:07.900]  And now that's in vogue, I'm saying, hey, look, that wasn't done as a science fiction.
[22:07.900 --> 22:10.200]  That was really his telling you.
[22:10.200 --> 22:12.500]  And he couldn't hold himself.
[22:12.500 --> 22:15.000]  He said, I have to really talk about this.
[22:15.000 --> 22:18.400]  That's why I personally believe that's why it's 1984.
[22:18.400 --> 22:19.900]  It's 100 years of existence.
[22:19.900 --> 22:25.200]  And of course, I mentioned the Council on Formulations is a child of the Fabians.
[22:25.200 --> 22:29.800]  And now we have an American version that we have, you know, the European version work in unison.
[22:29.800 --> 22:36.400]  So our job at the Birch Society is educate people what's going on to be personally responsible
[22:36.400 --> 22:42.500]  to elect constitutional moderates and constitution minded representatives, state, local and federal.
[22:42.600 --> 22:49.100]  So we can we can monitor not only our behavior, but go back to a constitutional based law
[22:49.100 --> 22:51.700]  and not ruled by elitists.
[22:51.700 --> 22:54.000]  And that's what we see today.
[22:54.000 --> 22:59.500]  Yeah. And so, you know, and it's important for people to understand how many different ways
[22:59.500 --> 23:02.800]  they come at us in order to set up a totalitarian government.
[23:02.800 --> 23:05.900]  They have so many different tactics and strategies.
[23:05.900 --> 23:10.200]  And of course, one of those, I think that you're talking about all this Huxley and others like that.
[23:10.200 --> 23:13.800]  H.G. Wells and Huxley, the the technocracy that was there.
[23:13.800 --> 23:15.800]  I mean, talk a little bit about technocracy as well.
[23:15.800 --> 23:17.200]  That's really kind of coming to us.
[23:17.200 --> 23:23.200]  People don't really know where to fit that, you know, because it doesn't really fit into the left right paradigm.
[23:23.200 --> 23:25.600]  And yet that seems to be on the ascendancy as well.
[23:25.600 --> 23:27.300]  Talk about a little bit about that.
[23:27.300 --> 23:30.200]  Well, you know, the story about technology, you know,
[23:30.200 --> 23:33.800]  but next to have a fellow used to be a member of the Birch Society was a where is it?
[23:33.800 --> 23:39.000]  The CIA said smile a lot because your picture gets taken about 300 times a day.
[23:39.000 --> 23:41.700]  That's right. More than that now, I guess.
[23:41.700 --> 23:45.100]  Yeah, you go bang grocery store going to get gas.
[23:45.100 --> 23:51.200]  But technocracy is a tool for for monitoring and governance.
[23:51.200 --> 23:56.300]  And that's why you see AI data data centers and know every little thing that you've done.
[23:56.300 --> 23:59.600]  And they they openly said this in the Bank of International Settlements.
[23:59.600 --> 24:07.500]  They want to have this digital currency where they can monitor every any of your expenditures from 100 dollars on up.
[24:07.500 --> 24:09.400]  So they could determine by checking China.
[24:09.400 --> 24:12.800]  If you have a bad social score, then you're not going to buy anything.
[24:12.800 --> 24:19.500]  So if you think about technology is going to be their weapon or tool to keep you in line, that's where I see it happening.
[24:19.500 --> 24:22.000]  And they're doing it through a lot of different angles.
[24:22.000 --> 24:25.000]  It looks kind of cool, but that's really the goal.
[24:25.000 --> 24:29.200]  One of the things I began the program with today was talking about the fact that, you know,
[24:29.200 --> 24:37.100]  I mentioned all the time about how artificial intelligence is really going to be a superpower for any kind of government tyranny
[24:37.100 --> 24:44.200]  to be able to monitor you and everything you're doing as you're just talking about, but also to manipulate opinion as well.
[24:44.200 --> 24:50.400]  And that's why it's very concerning to me to see that this latest executive order from Trump
[24:50.400 --> 24:58.400]  that essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would curb things that are happening with AI companies.
[24:58.400 --> 25:02.900]  Because I think what where that would really happen would be with the data centers.
[25:02.900 --> 25:05.600]  I think it's where the big conflict is going to come.
[25:05.600 --> 25:06.200]  Very true.
[25:06.200 --> 25:08.700]  And, you know, that is the bottleneck for them.
[25:08.700 --> 25:15.500]  And that would be one of the ways that you could limit them to buy a little bit of time to try to get some control of the situation or structure
[25:15.500 --> 25:18.100]  to keep some of these things at bay.
[25:18.100 --> 25:22.600]  But again, to prohibit that at the federal level.
[25:22.600 --> 25:26.300]  And that is in direct conflict with the Tenth Amendment.
[25:26.300 --> 25:29.700]  And of course, the Democrats will tell you that now because they're not in Bauer.
[25:29.700 --> 25:32.800]  But as soon as they get in Bauer, they don't care about the Tenth Amendment either.
[25:32.900 --> 25:43.200]  But it is really a real concern about this concentration of power and the, you know, the destruction of the Tenth Amendment.
[25:43.200 --> 25:52.800]  And of course, the enforcement mechanism that is going to run through is going to be to use financial carrots and sticks for people coming out of the federal government.
[25:52.800 --> 25:55.900]  That's the way they always get around the Tenth Amendment, isn't it?
[25:55.900 --> 25:56.700]  Absolutely correct.
[25:56.700 --> 25:58.400]  Yes, the technocracy.
[25:58.400 --> 26:02.200]  That's exactly what we call technocracy, the techno bureaucrats.
[26:02.200 --> 26:06.500]  That's where they use that technology, as I call it, digital prison.
[26:06.500 --> 26:08.100]  That's basically where you're looking at.
[26:08.100 --> 26:08.400]  Yes.
[26:08.400 --> 26:09.800]  And that's kind of where we're at.
[26:09.800 --> 26:11.600]  And that's what they're setting up, digital prison.
[26:11.600 --> 26:18.700]  So you can't go anywhere to do anything within your 15-minute city, whatever you want to be to monitor where you are.
[26:18.700 --> 26:20.100]  So you lose all your freedoms.
[26:20.100 --> 26:27.100]  They're constantly coming up with different justifications to take us to the same kind of Orwellian hell that they want to set up.
[26:27.100 --> 26:30.200]  And that's why, you know, when you look at the Chinese communists,
[26:30.200 --> 26:34.800]  many times I'd look at them and say, OK, so are they really communist anymore or are they fascist?
[26:34.800 --> 26:38.800]  Because they've kind of merged economics and politics to a great extent there,
[26:38.800 --> 26:41.200]  and it's highly nationalistic and all the rest of these other things.
[26:41.200 --> 26:46.900]  So it's important to understand all these different strains, but then to not get boxed in by any of them,
[26:46.900 --> 26:49.000]  to understand these people mix and match.
[26:49.000 --> 26:52.300]  They'll take whatever they can use, make these different strategies.
[26:52.300 --> 26:56.300]  And, you know, when you look at them, if you were to construct a Venn diagram,
[26:56.400 --> 27:01.700]  it seems like they're all starting to reach convergence instead of one little point of overlap, doesn't it?
[27:01.700 --> 27:02.400]  Yeah, exactly.
[27:02.400 --> 27:04.800]  Well, you know, communism is just a tool.
[27:04.800 --> 27:07.700]  That's all it is, a tool for global governance.
[27:07.700 --> 27:09.400]  It's not the be all end all.
[27:09.400 --> 27:13.700]  Just like any other religious things that we see, it's got nothing to do with it all.
[27:13.700 --> 27:16.500]  Matter of fact, the men who are globalists, they're not communists.
[27:16.500 --> 27:18.000]  That's a tool.
[27:18.000 --> 27:20.200]  They're not fascists, but they use that mentality.
[27:20.200 --> 27:22.500]  But it's all the tool for world government.
[27:22.500 --> 27:24.400]  It's all going to come through the United Nations.
[27:24.400 --> 27:27.000]  And you see the UN.
[27:27.000 --> 27:28.600]  That's the center point of it all.
[27:28.600 --> 27:31.500]  And we have a magazine called The New American.
[27:31.500 --> 27:37.100]  And matter of fact, we're actually launching it in there called The New European.
[27:37.100 --> 27:38.400]  And I can show you this.
[27:38.400 --> 27:39.600]  Oh, good. Yeah.
[27:39.600 --> 27:40.700]  Matt here.
[27:40.700 --> 27:42.900]  David, these little bubble diagrams.
[27:42.900 --> 27:44.300]  I hope you can see this all.
[27:44.300 --> 27:47.400]  These are all the UN offices in the world.
[27:47.400 --> 27:50.800]  They're not just one location in, you know, these river in Brussels.
[27:50.800 --> 27:51.300]  Yeah.
[27:51.300 --> 27:53.300]  What are these people doing all these locations?
[27:53.300 --> 27:54.200]  Well, you're on the menu.
[27:54.200 --> 27:56.500]  That's what's going on.
[27:56.500 --> 27:59.900]  So you can imagine all those, you know, it's all over the United States.
[27:59.900 --> 28:01.500]  So I'd be happy to send this to you.
[28:01.500 --> 28:02.700]  The New American magazine.
[28:02.700 --> 28:06.100]  We have this one called The Global Power Grab.
[28:06.100 --> 28:10.700]  We did this one and it talks and I show this around the Australians
[28:10.700 --> 28:14.600]  and the New Zealand's and UK folks and the lady in France.
[28:14.600 --> 28:16.300]  They were totally amazed.
[28:16.300 --> 28:20.500]  The depth of the United Nations, all these offices all over the world.
[28:20.500 --> 28:20.900]  Yes.
[28:21.000 --> 28:24.900]  And they're busy carving up the world for global governance.
[28:24.900 --> 28:28.100]  So that's that's our part of our job at the birch site.
[28:28.100 --> 28:31.900]  Expose what's happening through education and make it away.
[28:31.900 --> 28:35.100]  It's not too late because it's more of us than them.
[28:35.100 --> 28:38.800]  And they know that our job their job is to keep us off message
[28:38.800 --> 28:42.800]  and looking at sports figures or Hollywood or this or that
[28:42.800 --> 28:46.300]  the same time they're destroying our foundation.
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[29:46.200 --> 29:47.500]  So principles of freedom.
[29:47.500 --> 29:48.200]  Oh, absolutely.
[29:48.200 --> 29:50.200]  Yeah, I've had Alex Newman on many times.
[29:50.200 --> 29:54.300]  I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at the New American
[29:54.300 --> 29:57.700]  and I've had other people as well from the New American.
[29:57.700 --> 29:59.000]  It's great publication.
[29:59.000 --> 30:01.700]  And as you point out with that map and you see all the different areas
[30:01.700 --> 30:06.300]  where they have areas of responsibility and actual physical locations
[30:06.300 --> 30:09.000]  and everything, I think that's a key thing for people to understand
[30:09.000 --> 30:12.600]  is that it's not necessarily going to be as you point out in Brussels
[30:12.600 --> 30:15.100]  when you say, well, there's the seat of government or whatever
[30:15.100 --> 30:16.800]  or the East River in New York.
[30:16.800 --> 30:19.400]  It really is not so much about that.
[30:19.400 --> 30:21.200]  It's about global governance.
[30:21.200 --> 30:25.200]  It's about this network of different organizations that are out there.
[30:25.200 --> 30:29.200]  And that's one of the things that I see about technocracy is really
[30:29.200 --> 30:33.400]  that not just, you know, the electronic network networking that's out there,
[30:33.400 --> 30:37.800]  but actually the political networking that is there and the interlocking
[30:37.800 --> 30:40.200]  of these different financial interests that are out there.
[30:40.200 --> 30:44.700]  So they can all have their own goals and things, but it is all pushing
[30:44.700 --> 30:46.900]  us towards this global governance.
[30:46.900 --> 30:52.300]  And the technology is really giving them power that they've never had before.
[30:52.300 --> 30:54.800]  That's the key thing that's really concerning me.
[30:54.800 --> 31:00.300]  So we saw that with COVID-19 was a good data set beta test for them.
[31:00.300 --> 31:01.800]  I had the whole world under control.
[31:01.800 --> 31:06.200]  I'm sure they were absolutely laughing and amazed how easy it was to make that happen.
[31:06.200 --> 31:10.500]  I know I was absolutely astounded how easy it was for them as well.
[31:10.500 --> 31:13.200]  And again, I think, you know, you look at the stimulus checks
[31:13.200 --> 31:14.500]  and all the rest of this stuff.
[31:14.500 --> 31:17.900]  That was training wheels for universal basic income,
[31:17.900 --> 31:22.200]  which was something that Elon Musk has always been focused on.
[31:22.200 --> 31:25.500]  When you had Andrew Yang come out, said he was going to run for president
[31:25.500 --> 31:27.900]  and that was going to be his issue, the main issue.
[31:27.900 --> 31:29.800]  He branched out and some other things later on.
[31:29.800 --> 31:32.600]  But as soon as he came out and said universal basic income,
[31:32.600 --> 31:36.000]  Elon Musk handed him a million dollars, you know, he wanted him to push that idea.
[31:36.000 --> 31:40.900]  Well, it got pushed really big in 2020.
[31:41.000 --> 31:45.200]  That's all part of the that's all part of the program and universal income to the UN.
[31:45.200 --> 31:47.000]  Of course, it is the whole job.
[31:47.000 --> 31:49.200]  They want you to be industrious.
[31:49.200 --> 31:51.800]  They want you to be collective, not individualists.
[31:51.800 --> 31:53.600]  And we fight collectivism.
[31:53.600 --> 31:55.800]  We believe in individualism, not collectivism.
[31:55.800 --> 31:57.100]  That's all part of the rule.
[31:57.100 --> 32:00.200]  You know, there's a call to herd mentality.
[32:00.200 --> 32:03.900]  And that's exactly what they need to control us.
[32:03.900 --> 32:07.600]  It's all that's the end game is that world government and they will determine
[32:07.700 --> 32:11.500]  As I mentioned, early on, we started the show, George Bernard Shaw,
[32:11.500 --> 32:15.000]  before the eugenics committee, who lives and who dies.
[32:15.000 --> 32:16.900]  And you may not have that choice.
[32:16.900 --> 32:21.400]  If you're a strong crowd Christian or belief, you may not fit into because they're amoral.
[32:21.400 --> 32:22.700]  They don't have any beliefs.
[32:22.700 --> 32:24.000]  The state is their belief.
[32:24.000 --> 32:25.600]  You may not fit into their program.
[32:25.600 --> 32:29.000]  If you can't be indoctrinated correctly, you may be exterminated.
[32:29.000 --> 32:30.800]  That's right. And that's written about that.
[32:30.800 --> 32:34.300]  So it's these guys wait for keeps and it's serious.
[32:34.300 --> 32:40.600]  And our job has been to expose their plan since the late 50s and really what they want to do.
[32:40.600 --> 32:42.400]  And they're very open about it.
[32:42.400 --> 32:48.900]  Now more so than ever because they feel like men, young adults have been so indoctrinated
[32:48.900 --> 32:51.600]  through the universities and school that socialism is good.
[32:51.600 --> 32:54.300]  Like we saw the last mayor race in New York City.
[32:54.300 --> 32:55.500]  And can you imagine?
[32:55.500 --> 32:56.800]  Yeah, yeah.
[32:56.800 --> 32:59.600]  Nothing's free, you know, schools have indoctrinated that.
[32:59.600 --> 33:05.200]  But then we also have the situation where the, you know, the Gen Z people are finding it very,
[33:05.200 --> 33:07.600]  the kids are finding it very difficult to find a job.
[33:07.600 --> 33:10.800]  Even if they go to college, they're finding it difficult to find a job.
[33:10.800 --> 33:15.000]  And that is something I think that really drives this because again,
[33:15.000 --> 33:18.600]  one of the things that socialism has always pushed out there I think is envy.
[33:18.600 --> 33:21.300]  You know, they find these different at its core.
[33:21.300 --> 33:26.900]  I think like Saul Alinsky, you know, dedicated his book Rules for Radicals to Satan.
[33:26.900 --> 33:34.300]  And I think at the core of it, there's all these different satanic appeals to the evil aspects of our nature,
[33:34.300 --> 33:39.300]  you know, whether it's about greed, whether it's about envy, whether it's about hatred, racism,
[33:39.300 --> 33:41.800]  tribalism, all these different things.
[33:41.800 --> 33:48.000]  And they identify these things and seek to exploit them with these different approaches that they take,
[33:48.000 --> 33:53.800]  you know, and so that's why I think is you have to be aware of the tactics and the strategies
[33:53.800 --> 33:55.700]  that are there if we're ever going to be able to defeat them.
[33:55.700 --> 33:58.700]  Otherwise, we're just putting in their hands, aren't we?
[33:58.700 --> 34:00.700]  That's exactly and you're exactly correct.
[34:00.700 --> 34:01.700]  That's exactly what they do.
[34:01.700 --> 34:07.300]  They pit one group against another one philosophy because it's all about conflict.
[34:07.300 --> 34:08.500]  It's all about the conflict.
[34:08.500 --> 34:09.700]  That's critically important.
[34:09.700 --> 34:13.000]  But we have to identify what it is and expose what it is.
[34:13.000 --> 34:14.200]  That's really important.
[34:14.200 --> 34:15.300]  So we know the game.
[34:15.300 --> 34:16.300]  It's a charades.
[34:16.300 --> 34:21.900]  You remember, they remember the the movie where we had with Julie Garland,
[34:22.900 --> 34:25.300]  you know, and all of a sudden, who's the man behind the curtain?
[34:25.300 --> 34:26.800]  Don't pay attention to him.
[34:26.800 --> 34:31.600]  Well, we expose who's behind the curtain, you know, and that's really what it's all about.
[34:31.600 --> 34:32.700]  It's really a plan.
[34:32.700 --> 34:34.800]  It's not done by accident.
[34:34.800 --> 34:37.600]  And we see a lot of Kubuki theater.
[34:37.600 --> 34:41.300]  But the thing is, is that we identify really what it is.
[34:41.300 --> 34:47.400]  And to tell you what, it's very difficult for people to believe it because some of their heroes of the past
[34:47.400 --> 34:48.600]  were not good people.
[34:48.600 --> 34:49.100]  That's right.
[34:49.100 --> 34:50.000]  I'm sorry, folks.
[34:50.000 --> 34:52.100]  Or the heroes of the present.
[34:52.100 --> 34:53.200]  Or the present.
[34:53.200 --> 34:54.700]  I mentioned about George Bernard Shaw.
[34:54.700 --> 34:56.900]  The guy was, you know, thinking about that one.
[34:56.900 --> 34:57.700]  I mean, I can go on.
[34:57.700 --> 34:59.500]  But there's a lot of them.
[34:59.500 --> 35:01.600]  And they were not who they thought they were.
[35:01.600 --> 35:02.900]  I mean, it's.
[35:02.900 --> 35:05.700]  Yeah, he wrote Pygmalion, which was then turned into My Fair Lady.
[35:05.700 --> 35:07.900]  You know, the musical and the play.
[35:07.900 --> 35:09.500]  You know, enjoy the music with that.
[35:09.500 --> 35:11.700]  But yeah, the guy who was there.
[35:11.700 --> 35:17.400]  And even when you look at all these different science fiction novels, they've basically become a blueprint for them.
[35:17.400 --> 35:21.100]  But when you're talking about how they like to set up conflict between different groups,
[35:21.100 --> 35:25.900]  that's why I think we really need to have our guard up about partisan politics,
[35:25.900 --> 35:27.500]  because that is another way they do it.
[35:27.500 --> 35:31.500]  They don't just do it by race or by sex or this or that.
[35:31.500 --> 35:34.700]  They do it also with political factions.
[35:34.700 --> 35:39.700]  And, you know, when people buy into these things and start to excuse the actions of their leaders,
[35:39.700 --> 35:44.300]  what they really need to do is to look at the longer historical view and say,
[35:44.300 --> 35:46.300]  where were the Fabian socialists trying to take us?
[35:46.300 --> 35:48.800]  You know, where were the Gramsci socialists trying to take us?
[35:48.800 --> 35:51.200]  Where were the Marxists trying to take us?
[35:51.200 --> 35:57.000]  And if the actions of the person that's the hero of your party
[35:57.000 --> 36:02.700]  is going to move us in the direction of these socialists and Marxists,
[36:02.700 --> 36:05.900]  they need to pull back and say we're not going to follow that,
[36:05.900 --> 36:08.800]  even though that's part of our tribe here or whatever.
[36:08.800 --> 36:11.000]  I think that's a very important thing, you know.
[36:11.100 --> 36:16.000]  Right, elections change government, but institutions change nations.
[36:16.000 --> 36:16.900]  That's really important.
[36:16.900 --> 36:18.300]  They actually, Fabian has even said that.
[36:18.300 --> 36:22.100]  They also said power shifts from representation to management.
[36:22.100 --> 36:23.600]  And that's where we are.
[36:23.600 --> 36:27.200]  No matter, you know, it's left or right, you know, on the politics scene,
[36:27.200 --> 36:31.900]  the policy being set forward doesn't make a difference who runs back and forth.
[36:31.900 --> 36:37.100]  It's all Kabuki theater for us because they're not setting the policy someone else is.
[36:37.100 --> 36:38.800]  And we identify who they are.
[36:38.800 --> 36:40.800]  That's really critically important.
[36:40.800 --> 36:42.500]  So it's all a big game in front of us.
[36:42.500 --> 36:45.600]  But we have to identify really who they are, what's happening.
[36:45.600 --> 36:49.400]  And that's all part of what we do, educate people and make them aware.
[36:49.400 --> 36:51.800]  There's more of us than them.
[36:51.800 --> 36:54.800]  But our job is to wake people up and sometimes they don't want to,
[36:54.800 --> 36:55.800]  they want to hear about it.
[36:55.800 --> 36:59.400]  You know, our job is to wake people up and tell them really what's going on,
[36:59.400 --> 37:03.200]  much like the story gave to the UK folks about the Fabians.
[37:03.200 --> 37:07.100]  I said, look, they're destroying your country on plan.
[37:07.100 --> 37:08.800]  It's not by accident.
[37:08.800 --> 37:10.800]  And that's why, you know, I question, you know,
[37:10.800 --> 37:13.600]  so do they still have a Fabian society that people belong to?
[37:13.600 --> 37:17.500]  Because typically these things are done in secret, you know, or quietly.
[37:17.500 --> 37:20.900]  So you have secret societies, you know, things like the Masons or whatever.
[37:20.900 --> 37:23.000]  But, you know, people will be members of this.
[37:23.000 --> 37:26.100]  But I don't think, do we have a Fabian society that, you know,
[37:26.100 --> 37:28.300]  politicians that are part of here in the U.S.
[37:28.300 --> 37:31.800]  or is it mainly the CFR that you'll see?
[37:31.800 --> 37:33.900]  Mostly the CFR. Yeah, yeah.
[37:33.900 --> 37:38.700]  It's exactly what it's, you know, it's more what it's a partner of with the Fabians.
[37:39.200 --> 37:42.700]  Back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner and, you know,
[37:42.700 --> 37:44.800]  Woodrow Wilson took command of the House.
[37:44.800 --> 37:47.800]  They had this thing called the Inquiry back in the 1900s or so.
[37:47.800 --> 37:50.500]  And they formed this group and they went to the United States
[37:50.500 --> 37:53.400]  and the Council for Relations was born in 1921.
[37:53.400 --> 37:55.700]  And they're going to set foreign policy up,
[37:55.700 --> 37:57.500]  march through to David Rockefeller.
[37:57.500 --> 37:59.700]  And today you have members of the cabinet,
[37:59.700 --> 38:04.700]  40, 50 percent of the people in presidential cabinets were part of the CFR.
[38:04.700 --> 38:08.100]  You had Clinton, Eisenhower, all those guys were all involved in the CFR.
[38:08.100 --> 38:09.600]  They knew exactly what was going on.
[38:09.600 --> 38:13.300]  So they were tearing the water for the CFR policy group.
[38:13.300 --> 38:15.000]  And that's exactly what goes on.
[38:15.000 --> 38:21.100]  So it was all, it looked good, you know, but reality is one of the stories that goes this way.
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[39:21.800 --> 39:26.000]  You know, every year of several years we have an election,
[39:26.000 --> 39:27.700]  it's like when you're in high school,
[39:27.700 --> 39:29.800]  you know, remember the president of the student council?
[39:29.800 --> 39:32.200]  Remember those back in high school?
[39:32.200 --> 39:33.600]  It's a beauty contest, yeah.
[39:34.000 --> 39:36.700]  Yeah, and by the way, I'm going to have longer lunch hours.
[39:36.700 --> 39:39.000]  We're going to have less homework, right?
[39:39.000 --> 39:40.800]  And all of a sudden they get elected and they're like,
[39:40.800 --> 39:42.100]  who's running the show?
[39:42.100 --> 39:44.400]  The superintendent of the principal high school.
[39:44.400 --> 39:45.500]  It never happened.
[39:45.500 --> 39:47.000]  And that's the story with the CFR.
[39:47.000 --> 39:49.700]  We have a beauty contest, which is a public, you know,
[39:49.700 --> 39:52.600]  either presidential election or congressional.
[39:52.600 --> 39:54.700]  And then who's running a show behind the scenes?
[39:54.700 --> 39:57.000]  It's really, it's really those groups.
[39:57.000 --> 40:01.200]  Those unelected bureaucratic officials are unelected.
[40:01.200 --> 40:02.600]  And we expose what they are.
[40:02.600 --> 40:06.000]  We have that book called The Shadows of Power.
[40:06.000 --> 40:08.600]  Another book that we published years ago,
[40:08.600 --> 40:09.800]  called The Shadows of Power,
[40:09.800 --> 40:13.500]  exposes the Council on Foreign Relations.
[40:13.500 --> 40:16.900]  World War I, World War II, Korean, Vietnam,
[40:16.900 --> 40:20.700]  and how they all morphed into all part of the plan.
[40:20.700 --> 40:22.100]  That's called The Shadows of Power.
[40:22.100 --> 40:25.600]  So now we, so the Fabians is three ways about the Fabians.
[40:25.600 --> 40:29.100]  The Shadows of Power is about the Council on Foreign Relations.
[40:29.100 --> 40:32.200]  And once people look at history, they get pretty angry
[40:32.200 --> 40:34.600]  because they know it's all been a theater for,
[40:34.600 --> 40:36.800]  not for us, but for them.
[40:36.800 --> 40:39.100]  And they play the game to make it look like
[40:39.100 --> 40:40.700]  you're running the show, but you're not.
[40:40.700 --> 40:43.400]  You're just a victim of the globalist plan.
[40:43.400 --> 40:44.100]  I agree.
[40:44.100 --> 40:46.100]  And when I think of the John Burr Society,
[40:46.100 --> 40:49.300]  you guys have done a great job of educating people
[40:49.300 --> 40:51.900]  about the Council on Foreign Relations, the CFR stuff.
[40:51.900 --> 40:55.200]  And yet we still have these people run for office.
[40:55.200 --> 40:58.400]  And I think you'll see them proudly list that
[40:58.400 --> 41:00.400]  as part of their CV, you know,
[41:00.400 --> 41:02.600]  that, yeah, member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
[41:02.600 --> 41:05.000]  And it surprises me.
[41:05.000 --> 41:08.300]  It's like, yeah, I'm part of this satanic group over here.
[41:08.300 --> 41:12.300]  But it's, you know, they see it as a, you know,
[41:12.300 --> 41:17.600]  because it really does have a lot of panache or whatever,
[41:17.600 --> 41:21.000]  or clout in Washington to be a member of that club.
[41:21.000 --> 41:22.600]  And they're proud of it.
[41:22.600 --> 41:24.500]  And we need to call them out on it.
[41:24.500 --> 41:26.500]  We need to understand the history of it.
[41:26.500 --> 41:30.100]  And we need to understand really just how evil the actions
[41:30.100 --> 41:31.900]  have been and how that has really been there.
[41:31.900 --> 41:34.100]  So I guess in the UK, they still have people
[41:34.100 --> 41:36.100]  who are part of the Fabian Society.
[41:36.100 --> 41:38.700]  But here, you'll see it in the CFR.
[41:38.700 --> 41:40.400]  And they'll be doing the same type of thing.
[41:40.400 --> 41:41.800]  Yeah, Bill Clinton was a member.
[41:41.800 --> 41:43.300]  Martin Albrey was a member.
[41:43.300 --> 41:44.700]  Robert Rubin was a member.
[41:44.700 --> 41:48.100]  Ben Cohen, Larry Summers, George W. Bush was,
[41:48.100 --> 41:50.500]  Galen Leah Rice, Colin Power, Robert Gates,
[41:50.500 --> 41:52.500]  Henry Paulson, Barack Obama was president,
[41:52.500 --> 41:54.900]  described a candidate, Timmy Gaither,
[41:54.900 --> 41:57.100]  Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton,
[41:57.200 --> 41:59.300]  Henry McMaster and Mike Pompeo.
[41:59.300 --> 42:02.100]  I don't know why you see what's going on here.
[42:02.100 --> 42:04.400]  So they're there in strategic locations
[42:04.400 --> 42:07.600]  to monitor and steer public policy.
[42:07.600 --> 42:09.500]  That's what it's going on.
[42:09.500 --> 42:12.100]  So when you see this, we hear the song,
[42:12.100 --> 42:13.700]  Garza was Democrat, Republican,
[42:13.700 --> 42:15.900]  you get to the same place all the time.
[42:15.900 --> 42:16.800]  That's right. That's right.
[42:16.800 --> 42:17.700]  That's the key.
[42:17.700 --> 42:19.400]  And I remember when Reagan got elected,
[42:19.400 --> 42:20.240]  people were excited.
[42:20.240 --> 42:21.800]  Oh look, he's not the CFR, you know?
[42:21.800 --> 42:24.300]  And I can't remember the last time we had a president
[42:24.300 --> 42:25.140]  that wasn't CFR.
[42:25.180 --> 42:27.740]  And yet what he did was he put CFR people
[42:27.740 --> 42:30.640]  in all the different positions around him, you know?
[42:30.640 --> 42:31.480]  That's exactly.
[42:31.480 --> 42:33.140]  Well, Trump is not a member of the CFR,
[42:33.140 --> 42:34.940]  I can tell you that, so he's not a member.
[42:34.940 --> 42:35.940]  But he's got people around him
[42:35.940 --> 42:39.340]  to make sure he doesn't get too far off the script,
[42:39.340 --> 42:40.240]  although he does.
[42:40.240 --> 42:41.940]  That's right, that's right.
[42:41.940 --> 42:43.340]  Yeah, I think with Trump, it's really,
[42:43.340 --> 42:45.240]  as much as anything, it's the technocracy
[42:45.240 --> 42:47.940]  because these guys are writing the checks there.
[42:47.940 --> 42:49.740]  I'm very concerned that, you know,
[42:49.740 --> 42:53.140]  we all know now what the CVDC is,
[42:53.240 --> 42:58.240]  and yet I think the same thing can be accomplished
[42:58.240 --> 43:00.940]  with a stablecoin, and they can make a lot of money
[43:00.940 --> 43:03.540]  putting the stablecoin out there at the same time.
[43:03.540 --> 43:05.540]  So it's one way that they can get rich.
[43:05.540 --> 43:06.840]  They can get rich off of that,
[43:06.840 --> 43:08.940]  or they can't get rich off of the CVDC.
[43:08.940 --> 43:11.940]  And since everybody's kind of wise to the game of the CVDC,
[43:11.940 --> 43:13.740]  they don't realize that stablecoin
[43:13.740 --> 43:15.840]  is still gonna have those capabilities
[43:15.840 --> 43:19.040]  to be able to turn off your ability to trade
[43:19.040 --> 43:20.940]  and do other things like that.
[43:20.940 --> 43:22.940]  Tell us a little bit about the John Burr Society.
[43:22.940 --> 43:25.340]  I know you guys have had a lot of fights,
[43:25.340 --> 43:28.340]  and have you been hit with any kind of debanking
[43:28.340 --> 43:29.180]  or stuff like that?
[43:29.180 --> 43:30.340]  Because, I mean, I have,
[43:30.340 --> 43:32.540]  and I've been kicked off of PayPal and Venmo
[43:32.540 --> 43:34.840]  and other formats like that
[43:34.840 --> 43:38.040]  because of things that I was saying in 2020
[43:38.040 --> 43:41.040]  about the lockdown and the pandemic and the vaccine
[43:41.040 --> 43:43.340]  and climate change and all the rest of the stuff.
[43:43.340 --> 43:45.940]  Are you seeing that kind of debanking
[43:45.940 --> 43:48.440]  and deplatforming in various places?
[43:48.440 --> 43:50.440]  Yeah, well, sometimes we say that
[43:50.440 --> 43:53.640]  we get too much of truth,
[43:53.640 --> 43:55.540]  that YouTube will take us down for a while
[43:55.540 --> 43:58.840]  or something like that, and then we'll come back on again.
[43:58.840 --> 44:01.540]  We don't have that issue with banking, per se,
[44:01.540 --> 44:04.740]  but they ignore us because they don't need attention.
[44:04.740 --> 44:07.040]  We get attacked, we start to grow,
[44:07.040 --> 44:09.640]  so they try to pretend we don't exist any longer.
[44:09.640 --> 44:12.040]  Yeah, that's when I first learned of the John Burr Society
[44:12.040 --> 44:14.640]  was when William F. Buckley was on a tear
[44:14.640 --> 44:16.640]  with a natural view to come after you guys.
[44:16.640 --> 44:18.640]  I was like, well, I think I agree with these guys
[44:18.640 --> 44:20.240]  and not with Buckley, so.
[44:21.040 --> 44:23.040]  Yeah, he's a CFR member, by the way.
[44:23.040 --> 44:25.040]  Don't be surprised.
[44:25.040 --> 44:28.040]  Yeah, probably CIA as well.
[44:28.040 --> 44:31.040]  Cullen Bones from Yale, I can go on.
[44:31.040 --> 44:32.040]  He was a good guy, right?
[44:32.040 --> 44:33.040]  Yeah, sure.
[44:33.040 --> 44:35.040]  His organization exists today.
[44:35.040 --> 44:37.040]  Don't listen to those guys over there.
[44:37.040 --> 44:39.040]  Yeah, okay.
[44:39.040 --> 44:40.540]  That's why he was a good guy.
[44:40.540 --> 44:42.040]  That's why MPR had him on.
[44:42.040 --> 44:44.040]  Yeah, right.
[44:44.040 --> 44:46.040]  We wrote a book about that
[44:46.040 --> 44:48.040]  called The Pied Piper of the Establishment.
[44:48.840 --> 44:50.840]  We wrote a book, Jack McMaster, past president.
[44:50.840 --> 44:51.840]  You may have known him.
[44:51.840 --> 44:53.840]  He wrote the book about Buckley,
[44:53.840 --> 44:55.840]  and he was all put together
[44:55.840 --> 44:59.840]  to make sure that he steers the conservative movement
[44:59.840 --> 45:01.840]  their direction of the CFR,
[45:01.840 --> 45:03.840]  in which he was a member of the CFR.
[45:03.840 --> 45:05.840]  So it's like, as I said,
[45:05.840 --> 45:07.840]  it's all controlled.
[45:07.840 --> 45:09.840]  And he was control opposition.
[45:09.840 --> 45:11.840]  He was a very poster child for that, isn't he?
[45:11.840 --> 45:13.840]  Absolutely correct.
[45:13.840 --> 45:15.840]  And people still hold him up as
[45:15.840 --> 45:17.840]  he was some super conservative.
[45:18.640 --> 45:20.640]  Rush Limbaugh really idolized him.
[45:20.640 --> 45:22.640]  It was like,
[45:22.640 --> 45:24.640]  you don't realize who this guy is?
[45:24.640 --> 45:26.640]  That's kind of telling.
[45:26.640 --> 45:28.640]  Anyway, it really is
[45:28.640 --> 45:30.640]  a great organization
[45:30.640 --> 45:32.640]  and I really do appreciate what you guys do.
[45:32.640 --> 45:34.640]  And again,
[45:34.640 --> 45:36.640]  the Quiet Ideology
[45:36.640 --> 45:38.640]  Reshaping Policy
[45:38.640 --> 45:40.640]  from London Parlers to
[45:40.640 --> 45:42.640]  DC Power.
[45:42.640 --> 45:44.640]  Is that a book or is that an article?
[45:44.640 --> 45:46.640]  Because that's how I found out about you.
[45:47.440 --> 45:49.440]  It sounds like the Fabian Freeway.
[45:49.440 --> 45:51.440]  That's what it sounds like.
[45:51.440 --> 45:53.440]  That's the subtitle of Fabian Freeway.
[45:53.440 --> 45:55.440]  The JBS has been around for a long time.
[45:55.440 --> 45:57.440]  We have area chapters.
[45:57.440 --> 45:59.440]  We educate people on the voting record
[45:59.440 --> 46:01.440]  of their representatives.
[46:01.440 --> 46:03.440]  So we try to encourage people to be
[46:03.440 --> 46:05.440]  active participants in the process.
[46:05.440 --> 46:07.440]  How do you change
[46:07.440 --> 46:09.440]  your representative, David,
[46:09.440 --> 46:11.440]  if you don't understand the Constitution?
[46:11.440 --> 46:13.440]  Or at least go visit them and say,
[46:13.440 --> 46:15.440]  why did you vote unconstitutional?
[46:15.440 --> 46:17.440]  We have a scorecard.
[46:17.440 --> 46:19.440]  We print it out every quarter.
[46:19.440 --> 46:21.440]  And it talks about the voting record.
[46:21.440 --> 46:23.440]  Constitutionally, we pick them.
[46:23.440 --> 46:25.440]  Congress, Senate, as well as the House.
[46:25.440 --> 46:27.440]  Where they are.
[46:27.440 --> 46:29.440]  So people know if they're voting in Constitution or not.
[46:29.440 --> 46:31.440]  And it's our personal responsibility
[46:31.440 --> 46:33.440]  as Americans to uphold
[46:33.440 --> 46:35.440]  their representatives
[46:35.440 --> 46:37.440]  work for us.
[46:37.440 --> 46:39.440]  And say, hey, why are you voting this way?
[46:39.440 --> 46:41.440]  Would they have not?
[46:41.440 --> 46:43.440]  Representative called me and said, no one ever
[46:43.440 --> 46:45.440]  really calls me on the phone.
[46:45.440 --> 46:47.440]  And talks about anything.
[46:47.440 --> 46:49.440]  And so we can't,
[46:49.440 --> 46:51.440]  it's not, you know, we can't sit back.
[46:51.440 --> 46:53.440]  And I said, and one day we have a handsome
[46:53.440 --> 46:55.440]  young conservative show up in Congress.
[46:55.440 --> 46:57.440]  It doesn't happen that way.
[46:57.440 --> 46:59.440]  So my biggest goal
[46:59.440 --> 47:01.440]  is to fight complacency
[47:01.440 --> 47:03.440]  in Americans.
[47:03.440 --> 47:05.440]  And life is too good.
[47:05.440 --> 47:07.440]  And even though the economics today is hurting
[47:07.440 --> 47:09.440]  them, now they're listening,
[47:09.440 --> 47:11.440]  but life is too good.
[47:11.440 --> 47:13.440]  You know, we have to get behind
[47:13.440 --> 47:15.440]  and spend a little time
[47:15.440 --> 47:17.440]  protecting our sovereignty and our freedoms.
[47:17.440 --> 47:19.440]  But we have to know
[47:19.440 --> 47:21.440]  who we are first. And that's what we try to teach.
[47:21.440 --> 47:23.440]  Americanist principles.
[47:23.440 --> 47:25.440]  And hold up representatives who work for us
[47:25.440 --> 47:27.440]  to make sure that happens.
[47:27.440 --> 47:29.440]  I agree, yeah. And that's what I liked about the
[47:29.440 --> 47:31.440]  John Burr Society was the focus on
[47:31.440 --> 47:33.440]  local activism as well.
[47:33.440 --> 47:35.440]  And you know, knowing what is happening
[47:35.440 --> 47:37.440]  locally in your state
[47:37.440 --> 47:39.440]  as well. And I've seen what you're talking about
[47:39.440 --> 47:41.440]  in terms of representatives who say, nobody
[47:41.440 --> 47:43.440]  ever calls me. I saw the
[47:43.440 --> 47:45.440]  power of that. And I've talked about this on the program.
[47:45.440 --> 47:47.440]  When I lived in North Carolina, I was involved
[47:47.440 --> 47:49.440]  with homeschooling. And
[47:49.440 --> 47:51.440]  at that point in time, all
[47:51.440 --> 47:53.440]  of North Carolina's government was
[47:53.440 --> 47:55.440]  Democrat. Democrat
[47:55.440 --> 47:57.440]  House and Senate, as well as the governor
[47:57.440 --> 47:59.440]  and all the rest of the stuff. So they decided
[47:59.440 --> 48:01.440]  the teachers unions
[48:01.440 --> 48:03.440]  decided that they were going to shut down homeschooling
[48:03.440 --> 48:05.440]  and it looked like they were going to be able to do it.
[48:05.440 --> 48:07.440]  Because it was all Democrats.
[48:07.440 --> 48:09.440]  And an active
[48:09.440 --> 48:11.440]  minority of homeschoolers
[48:11.440 --> 48:13.440]  which was really small at the time.
[48:13.440 --> 48:15.440]  There wasn't a lot of people homeschooling.
[48:15.440 --> 48:17.440]  There's so many more who are doing it today.
[48:17.440 --> 48:19.440]  But everybody got actively involved
[48:19.440 --> 48:21.440]  and started writing. And it made them look
[48:21.440 --> 48:23.440]  so much bigger than they actually
[48:23.440 --> 48:25.440]  were. And it actually beat down
[48:25.440 --> 48:27.440]  the teachers unions in a
[48:27.440 --> 48:29.440]  Democrat state that were going to try to
[48:29.440 --> 48:31.440]  regulate homeschooling out of
[48:31.440 --> 48:33.440]  existence. And so
[48:33.440 --> 48:35.440]  that was a very important first-hand
[48:35.440 --> 48:37.440]  lesson to learn. But it's difficult to get people
[48:37.440 --> 48:39.440]  to do that. And that's one of the things that the John Birch Society
[48:39.440 --> 48:41.440]  does I think is excellent.
[48:41.440 --> 48:43.440]  Which is to educate
[48:43.440 --> 48:45.440]  each other about what is happening
[48:45.440 --> 48:47.440]  locally within your state. And
[48:47.440 --> 48:49.440]  how you can take action at a local
[48:49.440 --> 48:51.440]  level. I remember my
[48:51.440 --> 48:53.440]  probably my earliest
[48:53.440 --> 48:55.440]  memory of the John Birch Society was to
[48:55.440 --> 48:57.440]  support your local sheriff stuff. Being concerned
[48:57.440 --> 48:59.440]  about the federalization
[48:59.440 --> 49:01.440]  of the police. And
[49:01.440 --> 49:03.440]  that is something that is now really
[49:03.440 --> 49:05.440]  escalating, isn't it?
[49:05.440 --> 49:07.440]  Yeah. We actually have a
[49:07.440 --> 49:09.440]  group that still exists called Support Your Local
[49:09.440 --> 49:11.440]  Police. We want to keep them independent
[49:11.440 --> 49:13.440]  and federalized. We have a group. We have an
[49:13.440 --> 49:15.440]  affiliate not-for-profit
[49:15.440 --> 49:17.440]  called Support Your Local Police.
[49:17.440 --> 49:19.440]  And we also have, you mentioned school.
[49:19.440 --> 49:21.440]  With the homeschool, we've
[49:21.440 --> 49:23.440]  been existing for 15 years called
[49:23.440 --> 49:25.440]  the Freedom Project Academy.
[49:25.440 --> 49:27.440]  It goes from kindergarten to high school.
[49:27.440 --> 49:29.440]  We have live education
[49:29.440 --> 49:31.440]  of course online.
[49:31.440 --> 49:33.440]  Or you can buy a recorded version
[49:33.440 --> 49:35.440]  of it. And that's been around. So
[49:35.440 --> 49:37.440]  we're educating all
[49:37.440 --> 49:39.440]  over the world. Adults
[49:39.440 --> 49:41.440]  are having their children sign up
[49:41.440 --> 49:43.440]  to learn really Americanism.
[49:43.440 --> 49:45.440]  We are not
[49:47.440 --> 49:49.440]  fabricated history. And we're teaching
[49:49.440 --> 49:51.440]  how the kids how to write cursive and
[49:51.440 --> 49:53.440]  do math or read books. How about that for a change?
[49:55.440 --> 49:57.440]  It hasn't happened in public school, I can
[49:57.440 --> 49:59.440]  tell you that. And we spend more time in
[49:59.440 --> 50:01.440]  education than social
[50:01.440 --> 50:03.440]  emotional learning. But the thing is
[50:03.440 --> 50:05.440]  and you mentioned a lot of books
[50:05.440 --> 50:07.440]  about that. But the thing is that
[50:07.440 --> 50:09.440]  we look at education for our children,
[50:09.440 --> 50:11.440]  our adults. Bring it to
[50:11.440 --> 50:13.440]  view really who we are, what we're
[50:13.440 --> 50:15.440]  all about. Because we've been indoctrinated.
[50:15.440 --> 50:17.440]  And we know that brainwashing
[50:17.440 --> 50:19.440]  has existed through all the mass media
[50:19.440 --> 50:21.440]  David. All the mass media
[50:21.440 --> 50:23.440]  you know very well because you're in the media
[50:23.440 --> 50:25.440]  business. That's all controlled by the Council on
[50:25.440 --> 50:27.440]  Foreign Relations. Every one of the New York Times
[50:27.440 --> 50:29.440]  and other networks, including Fox News.
[50:29.440 --> 50:31.440]  It's all controlled media. And they all
[50:31.440 --> 50:33.440]  say the same thing, same deal.
[50:33.440 --> 50:35.440]  So guess what?
[50:35.440 --> 50:37.440]  That's the only thing you hear. That's the only thing you believe.
[50:37.440 --> 50:39.440]  So we said no, time out.
[50:39.440 --> 50:41.440]  Let's talk about reality here.
[50:41.440 --> 50:43.440]  And it's hard for some people to swallow.
[50:43.440 --> 50:45.440]  But once you've been redpilled
[50:45.440 --> 50:47.440]  all of a sudden the world changes.
[50:47.440 --> 50:49.440]  Like now I see what's going
[50:49.440 --> 50:51.440]  on here. So that's our job
[50:51.440 --> 50:53.440]  on the birch's side. We deal with kids with school.
[50:53.440 --> 50:55.440]  You write about the law enforcement.
[50:55.440 --> 50:57.440]  You want to keep them independent. We teach the Constitution.
[50:57.440 --> 50:59.440]  We get people involved.
[50:59.440 --> 51:01.440]  It's about education. Get people
[51:01.440 --> 51:03.440]  activated and involved. That's really
[51:03.440 --> 51:05.440]  important. I absolutely agree. Get activated
[51:05.440 --> 51:07.440]  and involved. And that's how we save our country.
[51:07.440 --> 51:09.440]  As well as the people over in
[51:09.440 --> 51:11.440]  England. They see the problem now
[51:11.440 --> 51:13.440]  because they're watching their
[51:13.440 --> 51:15.440]  country be destroyed. And I mentioned
[51:15.440 --> 51:17.440]  the Fabians when we first came on. Because
[51:17.440 --> 51:19.440]  that's coming to tractions for the United States.
[51:19.440 --> 51:21.440]  What you see in Europe is coming
[51:21.440 --> 51:23.440]  to tractions for here. Oh yeah.
[51:23.440 --> 51:25.440]  Delay just a little bit.
[51:25.440 --> 51:27.440]  It's a warning.
[51:27.440 --> 51:29.440]  Getting back to the
[51:29.440 --> 51:31.440]  federalization of the police. We look
[51:31.440 --> 51:33.440]  at these things and we say
[51:33.440 --> 51:35.440]  even if you like
[51:35.440 --> 51:37.440]  the guy who's doing it, and even if you
[51:37.440 --> 51:39.440]  agree with the stated goal, you have to look
[51:39.440 --> 51:41.440]  at this and say, yeah, but that policy
[51:41.440 --> 51:43.440]  is going to establish a precedent
[51:43.440 --> 51:45.440]  of the federalization of
[51:45.440 --> 51:47.440]  law enforcement. And so I know where
[51:47.440 --> 51:49.440]  that leads. So we pull this back
[51:49.440 --> 51:51.440]  and we say, okay, so let's
[51:51.440 --> 51:53.440]  walk this back and we have
[51:53.440 --> 51:55.440]  to oppose this even if we
[51:55.440 --> 51:57.440]  agree with the stated purpose, that's
[51:57.440 --> 51:59.440]  the wrong way to do it. And it is so
[51:59.440 --> 52:01.440]  important that we not
[52:01.440 --> 52:03.440]  sacrifice the
[52:03.440 --> 52:07.440]  means
[52:07.440 --> 52:09.440]  does not, that the
[52:09.440 --> 52:11.440]  end does not justify the means. That's how these
[52:11.440 --> 52:13.440]  people always get us there. And
[52:13.440 --> 52:15.440]  it's understanding those principles and what
[52:15.440 --> 52:17.440]  America is about. Understanding
[52:17.440 --> 52:19.440]  the Constitution and what that's about. And why
[52:19.440 --> 52:21.440]  those things are there, those
[52:21.440 --> 52:23.440]  important safeguards against
[52:23.440 --> 52:25.440]  tyranny, and understand that if we wipe
[52:25.440 --> 52:27.440]  those things away because it's going
[52:27.440 --> 52:29.440]  to make it more expedient for us
[52:29.440 --> 52:31.440]  to achieve this particular policy
[52:31.440 --> 52:33.440]  goal, we are going
[52:33.440 --> 52:35.440]  to pay the price in the long run, aren't we?
[52:35.440 --> 52:37.440]  Nationalized police force is one
[52:37.440 --> 52:39.440]  of Karl Marx's plans.
[52:39.440 --> 52:41.440]  And so that's why we're trying to avoid
[52:41.440 --> 52:43.440]  keeping them local and independent.
[52:43.440 --> 52:45.440]  Your sheriff is a very important person
[52:45.440 --> 52:47.440]  in your county. Very important
[52:47.440 --> 52:49.440]  person. And I always, I encourage
[52:49.440 --> 52:51.440]  people to know who the sheriff is
[52:51.440 --> 52:53.440]  and talk to them and making sure
[52:53.440 --> 52:55.440]  that you understand, and they understand
[52:55.440 --> 52:57.440]  about America's principles and our rights.
[52:57.440 --> 52:59.440]  And they have, you have to know who
[52:59.440 --> 53:01.440]  the sheriff is so they know who you are.
[53:01.440 --> 53:03.440]  Much like legislators and
[53:03.440 --> 53:05.440]  state legislators. You know, go back to
[53:05.440 --> 53:07.440]  our basics of our country.
[53:07.440 --> 53:09.440]  Our United States were formed as
[53:09.440 --> 53:11.440]  independent states, sovereign
[53:11.440 --> 53:13.440]  states. And over a period
[53:13.440 --> 53:15.440]  of time, David, that we've given, the states
[53:15.440 --> 53:17.440]  have given power from themselves
[53:17.440 --> 53:19.440]  to the federal government. That's not the
[53:19.440 --> 53:21.440]  way it was supposed to operate.
[53:21.440 --> 53:23.440]  The government's supposed to defend us against public
[53:23.440 --> 53:25.440]  and domestic enemies, you know?
[53:25.440 --> 53:27.440]  And that's very limited
[53:27.440 --> 53:29.440]  powers. Look at Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
[53:29.440 --> 53:31.440]  Very limited powers Congress has,
[53:31.440 --> 53:33.440]  right? And government, and so we
[53:33.440 --> 53:35.440]  have actually given more power to the
[53:35.440 --> 53:37.440]  federal government, why it's all upside
[53:37.440 --> 53:39.440]  side and distorted today. So
[53:39.440 --> 53:41.440]  we spend time with our local legislators
[53:41.440 --> 53:43.440]  in each state to make sure they
[53:43.440 --> 53:45.440]  uphold the constitutional responsibility.
[53:45.440 --> 53:47.440]  Each state has a constitution.
[53:47.440 --> 53:49.440]  The word democracy does not
[53:49.440 --> 53:51.440]  exist. It's always a republic.
[53:51.440 --> 53:53.440]  That's another thing we teach people. That word does
[53:53.440 --> 53:55.440]  not appear in our constitution or any state
[53:55.440 --> 53:57.440]  constitution. And people don't even know
[53:57.440 --> 53:59.440]  that. And I said you have to understand
[53:59.440 --> 54:01.440]  states are sovereign.
[54:01.440 --> 54:03.440]  Make sure you make, this is where it begins.
[54:03.440 --> 54:05.440]  So if you look at our history,
[54:05.440 --> 54:07.440]  it was done with that phenomenal
[54:07.440 --> 54:09.440]  idea to keep them sovereign
[54:09.440 --> 54:11.440]  independent states. So
[54:11.440 --> 54:13.440]  those basic things I just said to you, most
[54:13.440 --> 54:15.440]  Americans I talked to do not understand
[54:15.440 --> 54:17.440]  that. They don't understand that at all.
[54:17.440 --> 54:19.440]  That's right. They absolutely do not.
[54:19.440 --> 54:21.440]  And it's so important
[54:21.440 --> 54:23.440]  that we understand
[54:23.440 --> 54:25.440]  the foundation of principles and why these
[54:25.440 --> 54:27.440]  things were set up the way they were. It actually
[54:27.440 --> 54:29.440]  is a good plan, you know, even though
[54:29.440 --> 54:31.440]  the Constitution has been completely
[54:31.440 --> 54:33.440]  violated. It's still a good plan
[54:33.440 --> 54:35.440]  and we should try it someday in our lifetime, I think.
[54:35.440 --> 54:37.440]  It's like
[54:37.440 --> 54:39.440]  the Ten Commandments, not the Ten Suggestions,
[54:39.440 --> 54:41.440]  you know. That's right. That's right.
[54:41.440 --> 54:43.440]  The Constitution, you have to know it before
[54:43.440 --> 54:45.440]  you can uphold it, you know.
[54:45.440 --> 54:47.440]  And everybody, pretty much
[54:47.440 --> 54:49.440]  whether they're local or state or especially
[54:49.440 --> 54:51.440]  federal, they take an oath to the Constitution
[54:51.440 --> 54:53.440]  as a requirement of their
[54:53.440 --> 54:55.440]  authority. And so when they violate that,
[54:55.440 --> 54:57.440]  they no longer have any legitimate
[54:57.440 --> 54:59.440]  authority, but they do have a lot of power.
[54:59.440 --> 55:01.440]  And so we need to understand
[55:01.440 --> 55:03.440]  that we can have power collectively. And that's
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[56:05.440 --> 56:07.440]  Thank you so much for joining us.
[56:07.440 --> 56:09.440]  It's been a fascinating discussion.
[56:09.440 --> 56:11.440]  Mr. Morrow, Wayne Morrow.
[56:11.440 --> 56:13.440]  Thank you, David. I appreciate the opportunity.
[56:13.440 --> 56:15.440]  Thank you. Wayne Morrow, the CEO of
[56:15.440 --> 56:17.440]  the John Birch Society. Always great
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[58:53.360 --> 58:55.360]  Welcome back folks. We had a lot of comments.
[58:55.360 --> 58:57.360]  And, Jersey Boy, Thank you so much for the support.
[58:57.360 --> 58:59.360]  Can you please ask
[58:59.360 --> 59:01.360]  if you's ever heard of William Cooper
[59:01.360 --> 59:03.360]  who wrote, Behold A Pale Horse.
[59:03.360 --> 59:07.960]  know about Jimmy from Brooklyn who JBS interviewed who I'm trying to get on
[59:07.960 --> 59:12.840]  your show okay well yeah I'm sorry I missed that very sorry
[59:12.840 --> 59:17.280]  yes apologies mm-hmm Owen 61 thank you so much for the support he just says
[59:17.280 --> 59:21.560]  thank you well thank you Owen appreciate it yes thank you so much and Jersey Boy
[59:21.560 --> 59:26.000]  again says I remember a few years ago from JBS an email history of and I need
[59:26.000 --> 59:31.240]  to history of Republicans it was started by a communist does he know what it was
[59:31.240 --> 59:37.760]  and what does he think of JFK you know it's interesting a book I really enjoyed
[59:37.760 --> 59:43.000]  was an alternative history book by Harry Turledove he's written a lot of
[59:43.000 --> 59:47.860]  alternative history books and this one was about the Civil War it's called how
[59:47.860 --> 59:54.200]  few remain and in it you know you may know the history that in Tidum as
[59:54.200 --> 01:00:01.280]  bloody as a battle was it nearly was it could have been a victory for the South
[01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:07.280]  except that when the couriers dropped the orders that he was carrying and they
[01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:12.520]  fell into the Union's hands and so in his book guys say hey you dropped those
[01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:15.520]  orders better pick those up can you imagine what would happen if the other
[01:00:15.520 --> 01:00:21.440]  guys got that right and so that causes an early end to the war and pretty much
[01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:29.840]  all the major figures of both north and south survive and the causes early end
[01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:35.660]  of the war and the South to gain its independence and in the in his
[01:00:35.660 --> 01:00:41.520]  alternative history Lincoln is entirely discredited because he lost the war but
[01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:46.360]  then he makes a comeback as this book is picking up a couple of decades on at
[01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:51.160]  that point in time I think he's got Stonewall Jackson as the as the
[01:00:51.160 --> 01:00:55.640]  president of the Confederacy and Lincoln makes a political comeback as head of
[01:00:55.640 --> 01:00:59.560]  the Socialist Party and that's one of the things that made that book so
[01:00:59.560 --> 01:01:04.520]  interesting was he really did understand these people what motivated them and the
[01:01:04.520 --> 01:01:10.400]  the things behind them and so yeah there was an early connection with that and if
[01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.760]  you look at always think about the Pledge of Allegiance that was put in by
[01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:20.200]  the Grand Army the Republic most the veterans especially if they were well
[01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:24.600]  known or successful played an important part in the war they got very big
[01:01:24.600 --> 01:01:28.800]  positions in the subsequent governments that were there and the Grand Army the
[01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:34.600]  Republic which was the organization of Civil War veterans for the north had a
[01:01:34.600 --> 01:01:39.120]  tremendous amount of influence they were the ones who instituted the Pledge of
[01:01:39.120 --> 01:01:44.440]  Allegiance and it initially did not have under God in it until the mid 1950s and
[01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:50.560]  so the emphasis was on one nation indivisible and that you know very harsh
[01:01:50.560 --> 01:01:57.000]  with that and the it was the pledge was done with one arms extended out palm
[01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.120]  down just like the Nazi salute they changed it to hand over your heart
[01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:07.640]  because of the Nazi salute but yeah socialism and a lot of other things were
[01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:12.560]  there and the as well as the concentration of power and really
[01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:17.680]  talking about the destruction of the states as sovereign entities and the
[01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:20.880]  understanding that the states had created the federal government all that
[01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:27.600]  stuff disappeared with Civil War go ahead we have usernames 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
[01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:35.640]  8 9 AI will be kosher and DEI Nibiru 2029 says we have the best government
[01:02:35.640 --> 01:02:40.640]  money can buy and that's a quote from Mark Twain mm-hmm mm-hmm and they spend
[01:02:40.640 --> 01:02:46.840]  more and more every single day has a Novante 1776 ask the guest his take on
[01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:51.080]  war Gaza Trump's anti-semitism czar and the Heritage Foundation's project
[01:02:51.080 --> 01:02:56.280]  apologize I didn't see that yes the conversation was too good
[01:02:56.280 --> 01:03:00.560]  goldsmith says curiously people often claim Marx was focused solely on
[01:03:00.560 --> 01:03:05.160]  economics but his entire worldview was cultural based on envy and hate yeah
[01:03:05.160 --> 01:03:09.720]  conflict yeah like going in dialectic that's why you know we can we have to
[01:03:09.720 --> 01:03:13.200]  look at the different ways that they divide us you know it was very explicit
[01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:18.160]  what Bill Ayers and Bernie and Dorn the weather weathermen wanted to do they
[01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:23.840]  wouldn't have a race war Marx focused the thing about economics was there but
[01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:30.240]  that was really a class struggle right and the economics was a part of that
[01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:35.160]  class struggle and but it's always about dividing us and that's why I said
[01:03:35.160 --> 01:03:39.280]  you know we took very careful about the Republican versus Democrat thing any
[01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:44.200]  kind of division that they can use like that and when we attach ourselves to a
[01:03:44.200 --> 01:03:49.520]  different ethnic group or different political group these different types of
[01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:53.840]  things those attachments draw us away from the principles that can be the
[01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.200]  bulwark against this kind of socialist hell that they want to put us in yeah
[01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:03.720]  and mama see 1996 as I never learned so much as when I was homeschooling my
[01:04:03.720 --> 01:04:09.000]  kids that's right that's right that's excellent and that that was the thing
[01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:12.560]  that really missed about it that was that was where I put all of my effort
[01:04:12.560 --> 01:04:17.680]  before I had the show as a matter of fact that was at one point it was kind
[01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:22.280]  of bothering me because I was filling in for Alex at the very beginning he said
[01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:24.720]  you know there's gonna be millions of people listening to you I said don't
[01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:31.440]  tell me that right now but because I was not very much into public speaking or
[01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:35.400]  anything like that and I said no the way I think of this and that was in his
[01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.360]  original studio which was really small and intimate I said the way I think of
[01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:42.920]  this is I'm talking to the guys over there running the board I could see them
[01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.800]  and I said I'm just thinking like I'm doing homeschooling with my kids so I
[01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.880]  said don't talk to me about millions of people listening to that'll freeze me up
[01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.200]  so that's the way I always looked at it and it was such a wonderful thing
[01:04:55.200 --> 01:05:01.140]  because it gave us an opportunity to go back and look at content that was
[01:05:01.140 --> 01:05:08.400]  compelled on us in the schools and to to view it in a different way and that's
[01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:13.040]  one of the things I've always said about biology and evolution you know when it's
[01:05:13.040 --> 01:05:17.000]  taught to us in the schools it was always dumbed down into skeletons and
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:24.200]  death right for the evolutionists death is the thing the engine of creation for
[01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:29.600]  us it is the giver of life and we didn't look at comparative anatomy of
[01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:35.040]  skeletons we looked at the unique design of each and every animal and that was a
[01:05:35.040 --> 01:05:39.280]  thing that was so fascinating so it really is a blessing and an opportunity
[01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.360]  I hope if you have the opportunity you take that to homeschool your kids have a
[01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.120]  good day thank you take a photo on a phone there is machine learning in the
[01:05:46.120 --> 01:05:50.240]  background highest quality video capture ever in a smartphone in the
[01:05:50.240 --> 01:05:54.520]  metaverse we're going to need AI that is builder on helping people navigate
[01:05:54.520 --> 01:05:59.480]  virtual worlds as well as our physical world with augmented reality augmented
[01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:04.480]  reality is a profound technology includes like your position in 3d space
[01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:10.760]  your your body language facial gestures and we invented new intimate ways to
[01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:16.440]  connect and communicate directly from your wrist everything from virtual
[01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.560]  reality to designing our own data centers describing what's coming even
[01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:24.160]  it's just so different and new I've been in this infrastructure business for
[01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:30.120]  three decades no one has ever seen it now I expect that these trends will
[01:06:30.120 --> 01:06:34.840]  only increase in the future in the last few months we launched voice and vision
[01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:41.080]  capabilities so that chat GPT can now see hear and speak
[01:06:43.160 --> 01:06:48.360]  reports up to 128,000 tokens of context that's 300 pages of a standard book
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