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[01:07.600 --> 01:12.600] Joining us now is Tom Kubanek, and he is the CEO of a company called Secure-It.
[01:12.600 --> 01:19.500] They have been a military contractor in the past, but now it's about 87%, he said, is a consumer market.
[01:19.500 --> 01:22.400] It's a product that you might be interested in if you've got a firearm.
[01:22.400 --> 01:27.700] You want to be able to secure it, have a rapid access, gun safe type of thing.
[01:27.700 --> 01:30.000] But we want to talk about Second Amendment issues.
[01:30.000 --> 01:32.500] It's very timely, I think, with what is happening right now.
[01:32.500 --> 01:36.100] And so we're going to talk about the gun culture, Second Amendment in general.
[01:36.100 --> 01:38.600] And so joining us now is Tom Kubanek.
[01:38.600 --> 01:40.000] Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
[01:40.000 --> 01:42.900] Well, thank you very much for the opportunity.
[01:42.900 --> 01:44.800] I'm looking forward to the conversation.
[01:44.800 --> 01:51.200] Well, it really has been over this last weekend, people have been talking about Second Amendment rights
[01:51.200 --> 01:57.000] and the gun culture from a variety of different angles has really put it front and center with this shooting in Minnesota.
[01:57.500 --> 02:02.700] And so we've seen some surprising statements from people that are Republicans,
[02:02.700 --> 02:06.700] people that are supposed to be allies to the gun issue.
[02:06.700 --> 02:09.300] And it's like, you know, you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
[02:09.300 --> 02:16.200] Things that look like their perspective is that makes you instantly dangerous and a suspect.
[02:16.200 --> 02:19.600] What do you think is really the threat?
[02:19.600 --> 02:25.900] And what direction is it coming to us in terms of the individual liberty and the God-given right of self-defense?
[02:26.000 --> 02:27.700] What's your perspective on that?
[02:27.700 --> 02:32.400] It's really, there's always the forces.
[02:32.400 --> 02:36.400] There are always the forces working to eliminate this right.
[02:36.400 --> 02:42.300] And they will seize on every opportunity to steer and manipulate and do whatever they can.
[02:42.300 --> 02:50.500] But as you said, there's a lot of very much pro-2A people who are now making statements that would call into question,
[02:50.500 --> 02:52.800] like, wait a minute, what is your position?
[02:52.800 --> 02:55.600] And I think a lot of that is driven.
[02:55.600 --> 03:01.200] I mean, A, if they're politically connected, they want to be within a narrow realm of acceptable talking points
[03:01.200 --> 03:03.300] without, you know, alienating their base.
[03:03.300 --> 03:10.300] But it's, the Second Amendment sits, you know, as an icon, as one of our,
[03:10.300 --> 03:15.000] it's a fundamental right of this country, of our citizens.
[03:15.000 --> 03:21.900] And that means it doesn't matter, you know, how bad a situation.
[03:21.900 --> 03:24.100] It doesn't matter politically correct.
[03:24.600 --> 03:30.500] The horrible nature of what unfolded is, I mean, it's a travesty what happened.
[03:30.500 --> 03:37.800] And I don't want, I can't get too detailed into the how's and why's because, you know, we don't know yet.
[03:37.800 --> 03:40.600] They're going to dig into this thing and pull it apart.
[03:40.600 --> 03:47.300] But regardless of what happened, the Second Amendment is still stands for what it is.
[03:47.300 --> 03:50.100] And we have the right to carry.
[03:50.100 --> 03:53.900] We have a right to own and have firearms.
[03:53.900 --> 04:00.700] And that right should have no bearing, no impact on the events that unfolded
[04:00.700 --> 04:06.000] other than there was a gentleman who was exercising a right.
[04:06.000 --> 04:09.400] Yeah, and Angel, we see this, a lot of people talk about the fact that
[04:09.400 --> 04:14.500] in order for the general public at large to understand what is involved here,
[04:14.500 --> 04:17.000] they need to have some contact with guns.
[04:17.000 --> 04:22.500] I don't know your background in terms of your contact with guns and how long that's been around,
[04:22.500 --> 04:24.100] assuming that it's been a very long time.
[04:24.100 --> 04:29.000] But a lot of people have hardened positions because they're not really a part of that culture.
[04:29.000 --> 04:30.200] They don't know anything about guns.
[04:30.200 --> 04:31.500] They haven't used them.
[04:31.500 --> 04:36.300] But we're living in a time where individual liberty is pretty much despised in all different areas.
[04:36.300 --> 04:39.800] I mean, almost everybody has driven a car in this society.
[04:39.800 --> 04:44.600] And yet we see a lot of contempt for the right to be able to travel freely.
[04:44.600 --> 04:51.800] We just had a lot of Republicans voted against the idea that we're going to stop this kill switch that's been mandated.
[04:52.000 --> 04:56.800] So they want to get a lot of Republicans who and pretty much nearly all the Democrats
[04:56.800 --> 05:01.200] who said that the government should be able to shut down your car independent of you.
[05:01.200 --> 05:05.700] We should have some device somehow that's going to be on the car that's going to decide
[05:05.700 --> 05:08.600] whether or not you should be allowed to drive and then shut it down.
[05:08.600 --> 05:13.700] We've seen different things like that proposed for safety in terms of smart guns and stuff like that.
[05:13.700 --> 05:18.100] Well, we're going to have a smart car that's going to decide whether or not you're allowed to use it.
[05:18.200 --> 05:22.800] And so even though people have had a lot of experience driving cars,
[05:22.800 --> 05:27.200] being passengers in cars and know the car culture here in America,
[05:27.200 --> 05:33.200] there's still a real uneasiness about car ownership and operation.
[05:33.200 --> 05:36.900] So, of course, we're going to see that with the gun culture, aren't we?
[05:36.900 --> 05:37.600] Absolutely.
[05:37.600 --> 05:42.000] It's, you know, the car thing is really strange that people are supporting this.
[05:42.100 --> 05:45.600] I'm surprised there's not a bigger outrage because no,
[05:45.600 --> 05:50.500] there is no right to own or drive a car in our Constitution.
[05:50.500 --> 05:56.300] However, the concept of a car didn't exist when everything was drafted
[05:56.300 --> 05:59.400] and we do have a right to move about in our country.
[05:59.400 --> 06:03.100] We do have a right to, you know, we're self-directed.
[06:03.100 --> 06:06.900] We have the freedom to do what we want to do as long as we're not violating
[06:06.900 --> 06:09.300] someone else's constitutional rights.
[06:09.400 --> 06:12.400] So you could simply very easily draw a conclusion that, you know,
[06:12.400 --> 06:17.400] these rights we have, the car is simply a vehicle to exercise our rights.
[06:17.400 --> 06:18.400] It's very accepted.
[06:18.400 --> 06:22.400] It's the standard way in which we Americans move around.
[06:22.400 --> 06:23.000] Yeah.
[06:23.000 --> 06:24.600] The government's going to come in and say,
[06:24.600 --> 06:27.400] oh, wait, we're going to be able to shut off a right.
[06:27.400 --> 06:30.500] We're going to, because you're not, yes, you're stopping a car,
[06:30.500 --> 06:33.900] but you're shutting down someone's ability to move about freely
[06:33.900 --> 06:36.900] and you can't argue that, well, you still have that right.
[06:36.900 --> 06:37.800] You don't need a car.
[06:37.800 --> 06:41.800] Well, in our world, I mean, anybody knows if all of a sudden,
[06:41.800 --> 06:45.800] unless you live in a handful of big cities with public transportation
[06:45.800 --> 06:49.300] that you feel safe riding, the car...
[06:49.300 --> 06:50.900] That's a small case.
[06:50.900 --> 06:53.900] Well, it is, but it's, again, I had a son who lived in New York
[06:53.900 --> 06:57.000] with a school there and he was never going to own a car in New York.
[06:57.000 --> 06:58.400] It makes no sense.
[06:58.400 --> 07:04.100] But I live in a small town and if you don't have a car, that is a,
[07:04.100 --> 07:05.000] that's a punishment.
[07:05.000 --> 07:05.800] That's a sentence.
[07:05.800 --> 07:07.100] That's you are now confined.
[07:07.100 --> 07:08.400] You're not moving around.
[07:08.400 --> 07:08.900] That's right.
[07:08.900 --> 07:14.100] It's just, it's that critical to our ability to move about freely in our country.
[07:14.100 --> 07:14.600] That's right.
[07:14.600 --> 07:18.400] And of course, the drafters of the Constitution understood
[07:18.400 --> 07:22.300] that the Bill of Rights is not giving us rights, that our rights come from God.
[07:22.300 --> 07:24.900] What they were doing was enumerating certain ones
[07:24.900 --> 07:27.600] that they knew that we'd be attacked at first,
[07:27.600 --> 07:29.400] but they made it clear that if we didn't mention it,
[07:29.400 --> 07:31.500] it doesn't mean that we don't have that right.
[07:31.500 --> 07:35.500] We haven't surrendered anything to you and that really is the case
[07:35.600 --> 07:39.400] when we look at their intrusion into our personal papers.
[07:39.400 --> 07:43.100] They don't have to send a, they don't have to send an officer around
[07:43.100 --> 07:46.100] to rummage through our desk anymore.
[07:46.100 --> 07:50.700] They can do it remotely through our devices and they can get into our personal papers
[07:50.700 --> 07:51.900] and all these other things like that.
[07:51.900 --> 07:56.700] So it really is, we're at the point where people don't understand
[07:56.700 --> 08:00.900] why we have these prohibitions against actions by government infringing
[08:00.900 --> 08:04.400] on our individual liberty and they don't value these things
[08:04.400 --> 08:07.200] because they've always had them and they take them for granted.
[08:07.200 --> 08:11.600] And we're on the cusp of losing so many of our liberties, I think.
[08:11.600 --> 08:13.900] And so the Second Amendment is just one of those
[08:13.900 --> 08:17.900] and it's the one that they've been coming after for the longest time, I think.
[08:17.900 --> 08:23.100] I think you're, I mean it is, but the fact that it is,
[08:23.100 --> 08:24.700] I don't know if the word is brilliantly worded,
[08:24.700 --> 08:27.500] but it's so well worded in our Constitution.
[08:27.500 --> 08:30.800] Again, you said this is not a right that is given.
[08:30.800 --> 08:34.000] The right is, it's implied, the right is at birth.
[08:34.000 --> 08:39.700] It simply says the government is not going to infringe on this right.
[08:39.700 --> 08:44.200] So that is very carefully worded in our favor.
[08:45.700 --> 08:47.800] And you just mentioned though what we're seeing happening
[08:47.800 --> 08:49.600] and a lot of people are unaware of it.
[08:49.600 --> 08:51.200] It's everything else.
[08:51.200 --> 08:55.400] It's this chipping away of our individuality
[08:55.400 --> 09:01.900] and working us towards what did the new head of New York City about collectivism,
[09:01.900 --> 09:04.100] this idea that we're not individuals.
[09:04.100 --> 09:06.400] It's a collective and the collective whole will benefit
[09:06.400 --> 09:08.700] if we have, if the government has these powers.
[09:08.700 --> 09:13.400] Well, that's, there's no world where I could ever imagine
[09:13.400 --> 09:19.200] that somehow we benefit because the government has a massive power
[09:19.200 --> 09:21.700] to limit our capabilities.
[09:21.700 --> 09:23.000] I don't care what the capability is.
[09:23.000 --> 09:24.800] It's just, that's not who we are.
[09:24.800 --> 09:27.600] We have, again, they're not our leaders.
[09:27.600 --> 09:30.200] They are simply our representatives.
[09:30.200 --> 09:34.700] And when they start acting like leaders and thinking they're in charge,
[09:34.700 --> 09:37.700] that should be red flags going up all over the place.
[09:37.700 --> 09:39.900] And of course, history shows just the opposite happens,
[09:39.900 --> 09:42.800] you know, when you turn over all powers to the government.
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[10:42.800 --> 10:44.000] So, you know, what do we do?
[10:44.000 --> 10:47.600] What is real security and how, you know, from your perspective
[10:47.600 --> 10:51.400] in terms of what you make available to people,
[10:51.400 --> 10:53.700] in terms of the organizations,
[10:53.700 --> 10:56.100] tell us a little bit about your corporation,
[10:56.100 --> 10:58.000] how you got involved in it.
[10:58.000 --> 11:01.600] Well, Secure-It, we are the global leader in military weapon storage.
[11:01.600 --> 11:03.600] We build armories all over the world.
[11:03.600 --> 11:07.100] And now we are in consumer products with fast access gun safes.
[11:07.100 --> 11:12.800] Our methodology is a little different than in the consumer retail space.
[11:12.800 --> 11:15.700] We're the only company that, you know, we come from a military background.
[11:15.700 --> 11:21.200] We look at firearms and firearm security and safes and things like that
[11:21.200 --> 11:25.900] from the perspective of why does someone own a firearm?
[11:25.900 --> 11:29.800] And that storage has to be conducive with why you own the gun.
[11:29.800 --> 11:35.300] To that end, you know, everything we produce is smaller, modular,
[11:35.300 --> 11:39.800] lightweight, affordable and easy to live with.
[11:39.800 --> 11:46.200] The idea of a great big heavy, you know, metal box full of drywall in your basement
[11:46.200 --> 11:52.000] is just, there's a reason so many guns in America are unsecured.
[11:52.000 --> 11:55.500] I talk to a lot of people and they all have the same statements.
[11:55.500 --> 11:57.200] Oh, yeah, I've got a gun safe in my basement.
[11:57.200 --> 11:59.400] But for personal protection, I keep one next to my bed.
[11:59.400 --> 12:00.900] I keep one here. I keep one there.
[12:00.900 --> 12:05.100] And yes, you have that right.
[12:05.100 --> 12:09.400] But when you look at the data of the number of tragedies accidental,
[12:09.400 --> 12:11.700] the things that happen annually in this country
[12:11.700 --> 12:13.800] that could be prevented very simply
[12:13.800 --> 12:18.100] by simply providing a simple barrier between kids,
[12:18.100 --> 12:21.700] between unwanted people and your firearms.
[12:21.700 --> 12:23.500] It seems like a no-brainer to us.
[12:23.500 --> 12:28.200] And now, you know, we're at a point with fast access gun safes.
[12:28.200 --> 12:34.500] We can easily demonstrate that it's faster to have your gun locked in a fast access safe
[12:34.500 --> 12:38.100] than to have it in a closet, leaning in the corner of a room.
[12:38.100 --> 12:41.900] I can demonstrate that my access in my home, you come into my home,
[12:41.900 --> 12:45.000] you would never know I own firearms.
[12:45.000 --> 12:48.900] Yeah, I'm never more than two and a half seconds away from being armed.
[12:48.900 --> 12:54.600] If I'm at my closet or at one of my locations, I can be less than a second.
[12:54.600 --> 12:57.300] I also, you know, as you own the company, I'm trying to prove a point.
[12:57.300 --> 12:58.900] I practice access.
[12:58.900 --> 13:02.000] I make sure that I'm on top of what I'm doing.
[13:02.000 --> 13:07.300] But, you know, one of our missions is to make sure every gun in America is properly secured
[13:07.300 --> 13:10.000] and proper is defined by out of sight.
[13:10.000 --> 13:13.700] And, you know, if you've got little kids in your home, they don't need to know.
[13:13.700 --> 13:16.900] And once they're old enough to understand, well, then they should go,
[13:16.900 --> 13:20.300] you should teach them, train them, and have them be very proficient with firearms.
[13:20.300 --> 13:24.000] The more proficient people are with firearms, the safer we all are.
[13:24.000 --> 13:26.000] So it's...
[13:26.000 --> 13:26.700] I agree with that.
[13:26.700 --> 13:29.800] Yeah, and we're at the point where one of the reasons I want to talk to you is
[13:29.800 --> 13:32.600] because we're at the point right now in our family.
[13:32.600 --> 13:37.000] We have, my son has got a young toddler who's just starting to walk.
[13:37.000 --> 13:39.800] And so we've got to make sure that we've got everything secure for him.
[13:39.800 --> 13:42.900] And, you know, he's at a very vulnerable age right now.
[13:42.900 --> 13:46.400] Of course, you know, you never know what he's going to do with anything.
[13:46.400 --> 13:50.300] He doesn't have the strength to pull the trigger, but who knows what he would do.
[13:50.300 --> 13:51.700] So we've got to have this stuff secured.
[13:51.700 --> 13:53.200] And that's a key thing.
[13:53.200 --> 13:54.900] That's absolutely a key thing.
[13:54.900 --> 13:55.400] It is.
[13:55.400 --> 14:00.800] And I read and people send to me data all the time and information stories about
[14:00.800 --> 14:02.900] accidental access to firearms.
[14:02.900 --> 14:06.900] And, you know, with young boys, it's a...
[14:06.900 --> 14:07.600] I don't want to sound mean.
[14:07.600 --> 14:09.300] It's more of a boy thing than a girl thing.
[14:09.300 --> 14:10.300] Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[14:10.300 --> 14:13.000] Young boys, train sets and guns.
[14:13.000 --> 14:13.700] That's right.
[14:13.700 --> 14:14.300] We had a friend...
[14:14.300 --> 14:17.500] You give a kid a stick and he immediately points a stick and shoots it.
[14:17.500 --> 14:18.300] That was right.
[14:18.300 --> 14:23.200] We had a friend who, she was very much, did not like the gun culture and everything.
[14:23.200 --> 14:28.100] And she had a young son and she said, I finally realized that it's just an eight.
[14:28.100 --> 14:31.700] She said, I kept guns away from him, didn't give him any toy guns.
[14:31.700 --> 14:35.300] I look out and he's got a stick and he's going pew pew out in the backyard with a stick.
[14:35.300 --> 14:39.600] So, you know, they know and they're just wired for that.
[14:39.600 --> 14:43.800] And so, yeah, we have to make sure we take the proper precautions with all that.
[14:43.800 --> 14:46.300] That's a key part of it, isn't it?
[14:46.300 --> 14:46.800] It is.
[14:46.800 --> 14:52.400] And I get the argument not to have to have a gun unsecured.
[14:52.400 --> 14:55.500] It's an old argument, but it's based on old thinking.
[14:55.500 --> 15:02.200] And when you look at what's available now, there's no reason not to have every
[15:02.200 --> 15:04.500] single firearm properly secured.
[15:04.500 --> 15:08.000] We've developed what we call the principles of decentralized storage.
[15:08.000 --> 15:13.100] And that's really looking at your home the way I would look at a like a reactionary
[15:13.100 --> 15:14.300] force in the Marine Corps.
[15:14.300 --> 15:19.400] You're trying to defend a like a base or a embassy security force.
[15:19.400 --> 15:23.900] How are we going to locate and deploy fire weapons to make this place secure?
[15:23.900 --> 15:27.300] Well, look at your home the same way.
[15:27.300 --> 15:31.700] We published a lot of information on this because the safest most secure locations
[15:31.800 --> 15:37.400] in your home to store and secure firearms are also the best locations to give you
[15:37.400 --> 15:41.800] a tactical advantage in the event of a break in a home invasion or in some way
[15:41.800 --> 15:43.800] that you're being threatened in your home or in your car.
[15:45.500 --> 15:47.000] That's very, very important.
[15:47.000 --> 15:47.200] Yeah.
[15:47.200 --> 15:52.600] So, you know, what do we do to get people to understand the gun culture and what
[15:52.600 --> 15:58.000] kind of messaging do we have to worry about inside of the people who understand
[15:58.000 --> 15:58.900] the importance of guns?
[15:58.900 --> 16:04.600] But in terms of the way that we talk about it, you know, I think intelligent
[16:04.600 --> 16:06.500] conversation is better than rhetoric.
[16:06.900 --> 16:11.500] And there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides of this conversation.
[16:12.000 --> 16:18.700] And it's my hope that on the firearm side on the side of 2a that people think a
[16:18.700 --> 16:23.100] little bit and then speak and speak intelligently, you know, the Constitution
[16:23.100 --> 16:24.400] is our size on our side.
[16:24.400 --> 16:30.200] We don't we don't need to have a loud difficult yelling conversation about
[16:30.200 --> 16:30.900] firearms.
[16:31.200 --> 16:36.800] We simply need to express what the Constitution gives us and what we have
[16:36.800 --> 16:41.700] and what it protects and then just talk about the advantages of firearms
[16:41.700 --> 16:42.500] ownership.
[16:42.800 --> 16:47.500] And I think a big part of that advantage is training is understanding simply
[16:47.500 --> 16:52.600] buying a firearm does not make you more secure taking the time to get training
[16:52.700 --> 16:58.400] taking the time to practice that does and I got real I mean real quick story
[16:58.400 --> 17:01.400] is it's I thought it's such a huge win for the Second Amendment.
[17:02.000 --> 17:04.900] We were worked with a software developer several years ago.
[17:05.300 --> 17:07.800] He was out of California very liberal.
[17:07.800 --> 17:11.800] In fact, he questioned working with us because we were in the firearms
[17:11.800 --> 17:12.300] industry.
[17:12.300 --> 17:13.600] He's very upfront about it.
[17:13.600 --> 17:15.600] He just said guys look, I'm a little uncomfortable.
[17:16.700 --> 17:17.500] I'm going to be honest with you.
[17:17.500 --> 17:19.300] I'm not a supporter of the Second Amendment.
[17:19.300 --> 17:21.500] I'm a little uncomfortable the idea of working for you guys.
[17:21.600 --> 17:25.600] I simply said look I understand our mission is to make sure every gun in
[17:25.600 --> 17:27.500] America is properly secured.
[17:27.500 --> 17:32.000] If I achieve my mission, do you feel safer and he agreed with me so we
[17:32.000 --> 17:35.700] started working together and this was right when the defund police all
[17:35.700 --> 17:42.200] started happening and he was fairly close to some pretty bad events and
[17:42.200 --> 17:47.800] he was nervous about it and he went out and he bought a handgun and I
[17:47.900 --> 17:48.600] He talked about it.
[17:48.600 --> 17:51.700] I said look getting the handguns not going to help you.
[17:52.000 --> 17:54.800] You need to take good training find a good instructor find when you're
[17:54.800 --> 17:58.700] comfortable with work with them on a fairly regular basis for the first
[17:58.700 --> 17:59.600] couple of months.
[17:59.700 --> 18:02.700] You need to make sure if you're going to own a firearm you get to the
[18:02.700 --> 18:06.900] range at least once a month and he said it's a commitment.
[18:06.900 --> 18:10.800] He said okay and was fascinating months later.
[18:10.800 --> 18:11.700] He called me said Tom.
[18:11.700 --> 18:12.600] I got to tell you something.
[18:13.000 --> 18:13.900] I love this.
[18:14.600 --> 18:16.800] I'm not sure he's he's now shooting.
[18:16.800 --> 18:19.400] He was getting into a class and he was joining a club where they were
[18:19.400 --> 18:23.500] doing competition handgun competitions about four months into this.
[18:23.500 --> 18:24.500] He called me said Tom.
[18:24.500 --> 18:28.600] I'm going to buy an AR-15 and I said really he goes I'm just I'm
[18:28.600 --> 18:32.300] watching you know what these guys can do with the rifle.
[18:32.300 --> 18:36.000] It's a it's the safest gun that that I can own in my home, which I
[18:36.000 --> 18:39.700] agree with a properly owned properly trained a person the AR-15.
[18:39.700 --> 18:46.500] There's no safer rifle in America and he is a ultra liberal computer
[18:46.500 --> 18:51.900] programmer guy who now is a Second Amendment supporter and I just
[18:51.900 --> 18:53.100] watched it unfold.
[18:53.100 --> 18:54.300] He felt threatened.
[18:54.600 --> 18:59.500] He felt alone his vision that law enforcement is there to protect me
[18:59.500 --> 19:03.800] fell apart in the defund you know defund police mode and all of a
[19:03.800 --> 19:07.200] sudden he realized the only thing keeping me safe is luck that they
[19:07.200 --> 19:10.500] don't happen to come to the mob in the street doesn't happen to come
[19:10.700 --> 19:15.200] into my home and he viewed it was kind of a wake-up call for him and
[19:15.200 --> 19:18.800] all of a sudden he did the proper steps and I commend him for doing
[19:18.800 --> 19:19.800] it properly.
[19:20.600 --> 19:23.000] He now owns firearms.
[19:23.300 --> 19:27.100] He's in a very good position to defend himself and his neighbors.
[19:27.100 --> 19:29.700] I'm sure his friends and his groups have no idea.
[19:31.700 --> 19:33.500] But it's there.
[19:33.500 --> 19:37.400] And people have to think about that and they have to I've interviewed
[19:37.400 --> 19:41.000] a guy a couple of times from South Africa and he was a missionary and
[19:41.100 --> 19:46.000] he had the concern says I don't think I should own a firearm and I
[19:46.000 --> 19:47.200] don't have any interest.
[19:47.200 --> 19:51.500] I think I could shoot somebody or shoot at somebody and yet there was
[19:51.500 --> 19:56.200] a lot of violence in South Africa at the time and so he said he saw
[19:56.200 --> 20:00.500] people that were innocent being shot and he said I realized then that
[20:00.500 --> 20:04.500] I have an obligation to protect innocent life including my own and
[20:04.500 --> 20:08.300] so he got a gun and he trained on and he only had a five-shot revolver
[20:08.300 --> 20:12.600] and he was attending a very large church over a thousand people and
[20:12.800 --> 20:15.600] he was just visiting it but they said later on during truth and
[20:15.600 --> 20:18.500] reconciliation that they had picked that church because they didn't
[20:18.500 --> 20:19.900] figure anybody would be armed.
[20:20.200 --> 20:23.400] They came in the side door throwing grenades and shooting the place
[20:23.400 --> 20:24.800] up with fully automatic weapons.
[20:25.200 --> 20:28.300] He's way in the back with just the revolver but he thought well,
[20:28.300 --> 20:31.800] I'm going to try so he takes a shot and he thinks I'm not going to
[20:31.800 --> 20:32.500] hit anything with that.
[20:32.500 --> 20:36.000] So he ran out the side and took some shots from there and they ran
[20:36.000 --> 20:39.700] off and they said later on they thought they were being attacked
[20:39.700 --> 20:40.800] from multiple angles.
[20:41.100 --> 20:44.400] He didn't realize it but his first shot actually hit one of these guys
[20:44.400 --> 20:46.400] and so you never know in a situation like that.
[20:46.500 --> 20:51.100] Here's one guy with a revolver five-shot revolver and he was able to
[20:51.100 --> 20:52.100] defend these people.
[20:52.100 --> 20:54.700] Now when they came in throwing grenades and firing automatic weapons
[20:54.700 --> 20:58.600] they immediately killed about 50 people but it could have been everybody
[20:58.600 --> 21:01.600] they were going to kill everyone in that church and he was able to
[21:01.600 --> 21:02.200] fend that off.
[21:02.200 --> 21:04.900] So people have to go through these decisions again.
[21:04.900 --> 21:09.100] He had to think about this is like would I be morally justified to
[21:09.100 --> 21:13.300] do this in defense of innocent life and he got the right decision and
[21:13.300 --> 21:15.200] he learned how to use it as well.
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[22:15.500 --> 22:16.600] Yeah, and he had a result.
[22:16.600 --> 22:20.400] It's I always tell people I talked to a lot of a lot of people on
[22:20.800 --> 22:24.100] on firearms ownership and I said the decision to buy your first
[22:24.100 --> 22:27.300] firearm should be a life-altering decision.
[22:27.800 --> 22:31.600] You're if you're going to own a firearm which you're going to you
[22:31.600 --> 22:36.700] know use actively use or use for home defense for personal defense.
[22:37.600 --> 22:40.100] You're going to change your lifestyle going forward.
[22:40.100 --> 22:42.600] If you're going to carry if your decision is to conceal carry a
[22:42.600 --> 22:47.300] firearm you will be shooting on a regular basis for the rest of your
[22:47.300 --> 22:51.100] life and there's you know, I've I'm very busy executive.
[22:51.100 --> 22:54.900] I travel a lot and you know, I've concealed carry permit.
[22:54.900 --> 22:59.100] I have all the proper everything you need, but there's many times
[22:59.100 --> 22:59.600] in my life.
[22:59.600 --> 23:04.300] I do not carry a firearm because if I'm not actively training for me,
[23:04.300 --> 23:09.700] it's about the decision-making and if I'm if I've got a long stint
[23:09.700 --> 23:14.200] where I have not been training not been shooting I will I'll have
[23:14.200 --> 23:18.700] it in a backpack, but I will not carry on body because I'm not in
[23:18.700 --> 23:22.300] a position to execute that responsibility at that time.
[23:22.300 --> 23:25.900] That's decision I make and some people say I'm nuts, but just that's
[23:25.900 --> 23:30.600] just the way I do it and it also encourages me to make sure I block
[23:30.600 --> 23:36.300] out time to work with instructors to get the reps in to just do
[23:36.300 --> 23:38.100] everything required.
[23:38.100 --> 23:41.400] You know, my background was a musician and we practice and rehearse
[23:41.400 --> 23:42.100] practice and rehearse.
[23:42.100 --> 23:44.800] So when it's showtime doesn't matter if you're nervous.
[23:44.800 --> 23:47.100] It's showtime execute.
[23:47.100 --> 23:47.800] It's the same.
[23:47.800 --> 23:51.300] It's the same thing against the same challenges.
[23:51.300 --> 23:52.600] It's just you've got deadly force.
[23:52.600 --> 23:54.400] You've got to have it right.
[23:54.400 --> 23:55.500] That's a great way to look at it.
[23:55.500 --> 23:58.600] Yeah, my son says after the guy gets one he uses it on the range for
[23:58.600 --> 23:58.900] a while.
[23:58.900 --> 24:02.900] He realizes it isn't the scary uncontrollable monster that he thought it
[24:02.900 --> 24:05.800] was, you know, so you start to get to realize what it really is.
[24:05.800 --> 24:07.400] It's a tool as you point out.
[24:07.400 --> 24:10.700] You need to be experienced in the use of that tool needs to be kind
[24:10.700 --> 24:13.500] of second nature, you know, there's a lot of different attacks that
[24:13.500 --> 24:16.100] are coming at us in a lot of different ways.
[24:16.100 --> 24:19.800] And of course, I don't know if you saw this or not, but the whole 3d
[24:19.800 --> 24:24.100] gun printer thing which they really are upset about there's a new
[24:24.100 --> 24:27.200] law that's being pushed out in Washington and what they're trying
[24:27.200 --> 24:32.300] to do is even though this has been upheld as a kind of a combination
[24:32.300 --> 24:37.400] of the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, the code for printing
[24:37.400 --> 24:41.000] gun parts was held to be protected by the First Amendment by courts.
[24:41.000 --> 24:44.000] It was challenged by Cody Wilson and they won that fight.
[24:44.000 --> 24:49.000] So now the idea of the state government in Washington State is to
[24:49.600 --> 24:50.600] we're going to intimidate this.
[24:50.600 --> 24:55.000] We're going to do it as a partnership with the printer manufacturers.
[24:55.000 --> 24:57.900] So in order for them to be able to sell the printer manufacturer,
[24:57.900 --> 25:02.500] they're going to have to set up a mechanism whereby we can prohibit
[25:02.500 --> 25:04.500] the printing of anything.
[25:04.500 --> 25:08.000] And when the guy started talking about this, this guy is a 3d printer
[25:08.000 --> 25:12.300] guy and he's not really focused necessarily on just printing guns.
[25:12.300 --> 25:14.600] But when he talked about it, everybody thought, oh, you're just talking
[25:14.600 --> 25:16.500] about printing guns and we should shut that down.
[25:16.500 --> 25:18.400] He says, no, this is about everything.
[25:18.400 --> 25:22.600] He says, if you're a farmer and you want to print a 3d part for your
[25:22.600 --> 25:27.300] tractor and John Deere says, no, that belongs to us, they can prohibit
[25:27.300 --> 25:28.400] that as well.
[25:28.400 --> 25:32.400] And so when we look at this, there's this massive interconnection
[25:32.400 --> 25:33.100] of freedoms.
[25:33.100 --> 25:37.600] And once we start to pick and choose and micromanage which freedoms
[25:37.600 --> 25:40.800] are going to be exercised and how they're going to be exercised, we
[25:40.800 --> 25:43.800] all wind up losing everything in the end, don't we?
[25:44.800 --> 25:45.600] I think so.
[25:45.600 --> 25:47.400] It's I find the 3d printing.
[25:47.400 --> 25:49.600] I actually follow quite a bit of that.
[25:49.600 --> 25:51.400] I'm fascinated by the technology.
[25:51.400 --> 25:55.300] I mean, I restore old cars is one of my that's my therapy.
[25:55.300 --> 25:58.500] And I've always talked to people about there's going to come a time
[25:58.500 --> 26:00.000] where you don't buy parts.
[26:00.000 --> 26:03.100] You buy the drawing and you simply print the parts.
[26:03.100 --> 26:05.400] Yeah, and that's that's a long ways down.
[26:05.400 --> 26:08.900] But printers are getting so inexpensive and the technology is getting
[26:08.900 --> 26:10.100] so cheap.
[26:10.100 --> 26:12.100] But it's it is new.
[26:12.100 --> 26:16.100] And when there's so many people, such a high percentage of our population
[26:16.200 --> 26:19.400] that is afraid of change and doesn't matter what the changes you see
[26:19.400 --> 26:22.200] resistance to change yet every morning.
[26:22.200 --> 26:23.400] It's a new day every day.
[26:23.400 --> 26:27.700] This, you know, the second hand is moving and every mode every every
[26:27.700 --> 26:30.500] second goes by things are changing and advancing.
[26:31.400 --> 26:33.100] We should embrace this technology.
[26:33.100 --> 26:36.000] It's there's so much good.
[26:36.000 --> 26:37.600] Yeah, you're talking about car parts.
[26:37.600 --> 26:39.900] You know, Jay Leno has been doing that for a while because he's got
[26:39.900 --> 26:43.300] these very old car cars that he's got and nobody's making any parts
[26:43.300 --> 26:43.900] for them.
[26:43.900 --> 26:47.800] We're going to see that as well for much newer parts because it'll
[26:47.800 --> 26:50.600] either be the situation where there's not enough of them out there
[26:50.600 --> 26:53.000] or maybe the government might even prohibit it because they don't
[26:53.000 --> 26:57.800] want you driving the old cars that aren't completely connected to
[26:57.800 --> 26:58.600] their control.
[26:58.600 --> 27:03.100] So that is also another aspect for people think about it all comes
[27:03.100 --> 27:07.600] to the down to the point where, you know, the they always want to
[27:07.600 --> 27:10.700] know everything that we're doing micromanage everything that we're
[27:10.700 --> 27:15.600] doing and centralized control of everything and that seems to be
[27:15.600 --> 27:18.700] the the current thread of where everything seems to go and that's
[27:18.700 --> 27:21.400] where the stuff has been coming from for the longest time for
[27:21.400 --> 27:24.900] firearms, you know, centralized control firearms from Washington
[27:25.100 --> 27:27.100] and then start shutting them down one by one.
[27:27.800 --> 27:30.800] Yeah, it's I'm surprised some of the things that have happened
[27:30.800 --> 27:31.400] recently.
[27:31.400 --> 27:32.700] I live in New York State.
[27:33.000 --> 27:37.000] We have the safe act where now I have to do a background check a
[27:37.000 --> 27:39.200] state background check to buy ammunition.
[27:39.900 --> 27:44.300] I don't I don't see how I don't see how this is not been thrown
[27:44.300 --> 27:44.700] out yet.
[27:44.700 --> 27:47.000] I'm not sure it's been adjudicated.
[27:47.100 --> 27:48.400] It's a it's a crazy rule.
[27:48.400 --> 27:50.700] I'm limited in terms of magazine size.
[27:50.700 --> 27:53.300] I've I've got my limits into there's a list of guns.
[27:53.300 --> 27:58.900] I simply cannot own in the state and it's an annoyance.
[27:58.900 --> 28:02.600] I mean is for me when I look at home defense the actual firearm
[28:02.600 --> 28:04.100] that I would use to defend myself.
[28:04.100 --> 28:07.200] I can legally own can I own a 30 round magazine?
[28:07.200 --> 28:08.900] I cannot it's a 10 round magazine.
[28:08.900 --> 28:13.300] So that that changes a little bit of the aspect of how you
[28:13.300 --> 28:13.800] use it.
[28:13.800 --> 28:19.600] But is there a limit on how many magazines you can have right
[28:19.600 --> 28:24.100] now they just want to change out to another one, but it's it's
[28:24.600 --> 28:26.800] again, it doesn't matter what the rule is.
[28:26.800 --> 28:29.600] It's that there's a lot of people within our government that
[28:29.600 --> 28:34.400] just they're going to chip away at anything they can do and
[28:34.400 --> 28:38.000] it's just a big pile of dirt of freedom in the middle of this
[28:38.000 --> 28:40.700] room and any bit they can pull into their little bucket and
[28:40.700 --> 28:42.500] eliminate they're going to do it.
[28:42.700 --> 28:45.400] Yeah, and sometimes I've seen people like Tom.
[28:45.400 --> 28:47.100] Why why are you taking on this fight?
[28:47.100 --> 28:48.200] This is really stupid.
[28:48.200 --> 28:52.100] I said the you know, I hate to use the term slippery slope
[28:52.100 --> 28:55.200] that's overused but that applies.
[28:55.600 --> 29:01.100] Yes, sometimes you you fight you fight so hard for grains
[29:01.100 --> 29:04.900] of sand because you're you're stopping something that's going
[29:04.900 --> 29:06.700] to be that could become a tidal wave.
[29:06.800 --> 29:07.300] That's right.
[29:07.300 --> 29:11.800] And a lot of people I mean you see it just across across
[29:11.800 --> 29:12.300] the world.
[29:12.300 --> 29:16.200] A lot of people don't react until it hits them personally at
[29:16.200 --> 29:16.900] that point.
[29:17.500 --> 29:18.500] They've missed their window.
[29:18.600 --> 29:19.100] That's right.
[29:19.300 --> 29:21.700] You know, it's like Hemingway said, you know, the guy who
[29:21.700 --> 29:25.200] went bankrupt is very rich has had that happen said gradually
[29:25.200 --> 29:27.600] then suddenly that's why we have that analogy of a slippery
[29:27.600 --> 29:28.100] slope.
[29:28.500 --> 29:29.900] You know, that's what happens at first.
[29:30.000 --> 29:32.100] It's just a short little thing, but then it really picks up
[29:32.100 --> 29:34.900] speed and it accelerates if you don't stop the trend if you
[29:34.900 --> 29:36.500] don't see the trend that's coming.
[29:36.900 --> 29:39.800] No, you can stop a car rolling downhill if the brakes don't
[29:39.800 --> 29:41.800] work in the cars just starting to move.
[29:42.100 --> 29:44.900] You can stand behind it and stop it once it's going five
[29:44.900 --> 29:45.600] miles an hour.
[29:45.600 --> 29:46.600] You better get out of the way.
[29:48.100 --> 29:51.800] And that's you know, it's it's we've done a good job of
[29:51.800 --> 29:53.100] stopping these freight trains.
[29:53.100 --> 29:57.900] I really but I mean we've I believe society's done a good
[29:57.900 --> 30:01.800] job and I think the defund police was a huge as as much
[30:01.800 --> 30:03.900] as it just shocked me what was happening.
[30:04.900 --> 30:09.000] There were more to a supporters created when those when
[30:09.000 --> 30:12.600] those laws those those I mean laws is those those sentiments
[30:12.600 --> 30:15.000] those things are being pushed forward in cities like
[30:15.000 --> 30:17.800] Minneapolis, which I used to do a lot of business.
[30:17.800 --> 30:19.900] There was a beautiful city beautiful downtown.
[30:19.900 --> 30:23.000] It's never going to recover and there's a lot of people
[30:23.000 --> 30:25.800] that live there that for the first time in their lives woke
[30:25.800 --> 30:30.300] up saying there's nothing preventing chaos from walking
[30:30.400 --> 30:33.600] into my apartment or my condor my home except luck.
[30:34.100 --> 30:36.300] And I hate it.
[30:36.300 --> 30:39.800] I hate to see things like that happen to drive support
[30:39.800 --> 30:43.300] for what I believe in is just the simplest way in the
[30:43.300 --> 30:44.300] best way to live.
[30:44.800 --> 30:49.900] But we're at another point now where you know Trump is
[30:49.900 --> 30:52.200] a lightning rod like him or hey, he is a lightning rod
[30:52.200 --> 30:56.000] personality and there are people that will go against
[30:56.000 --> 30:59.300] the Second Amendment just a small just just because he's
[30:59.300 --> 31:00.100] on that side.
[31:00.100 --> 31:03.000] I think it's very short very narrow focus.
[31:05.300 --> 31:07.700] And he doesn't he's not very comfortable himself with it
[31:07.700 --> 31:09.800] either because he's never had any experience.
[31:10.100 --> 31:12.900] I saw the interview with Scott Besson and that really got
[31:12.900 --> 31:17.300] my got my attention over the weekend where he said to
[31:17.300 --> 31:19.400] Jonathan Carl his sound bite that he came prepared to
[31:19.400 --> 31:22.600] talk about was do you go to a protest with the gun?
[31:22.600 --> 31:24.800] You know, do you do you go to a project kept asking a
[31:24.800 --> 31:27.800] question over and he kind of got Jonathan Carl to back
[31:27.800 --> 31:30.000] down. Well, I haven't really covered protest as a
[31:30.000 --> 31:32.500] reporter and no I haven't carried a gun either.
[31:32.500 --> 31:33.700] And I thought about that.
[31:33.700 --> 31:36.300] I thought I bet Scott Besson hasn't carried one either
[31:36.300 --> 31:40.300] because he's got an army of people to protect him all
[31:40.300 --> 31:41.400] the time that are armed.
[31:42.000 --> 31:44.900] That was before he got into government even he was
[31:44.900 --> 31:47.500] somebody who was very very wealthy with George Soros
[31:47.500 --> 31:50.600] and he's got his own army of bodyguards who are armed
[31:50.600 --> 31:51.300] to protect him.
[31:51.500 --> 31:52.400] He doesn't need that.
[31:52.400 --> 31:55.800] And so you have people who grow up in or live in that
[31:55.800 --> 31:56.800] kind of a scenario.
[31:56.800 --> 32:00.100] They don't see the need for self-defense because they've
[32:00.100 --> 32:04.300] got an army of paid people who do it for them and they
[32:04.300 --> 32:06.800] really can't sympathize with what we're doing, especially
[32:06.800 --> 32:07.800] if they're coming from New York.
[32:07.800 --> 32:09.600] They spent all their life in New York and never touched
[32:09.600 --> 32:10.100] the gun.
[32:10.600 --> 32:13.800] They really don't really understand what's going on
[32:13.800 --> 32:17.100] with it and they never would mean having to show a force
[32:17.100 --> 32:18.600] that guards around you.
[32:19.400 --> 32:21.800] It's not just that you're protected is that you'll never
[32:21.800 --> 32:26.100] even see it because the bad characters I always equate
[32:26.100 --> 32:29.300] them to like bullies in school the bad guys aren't
[32:29.300 --> 32:30.400] looking for a fight.
[32:30.500 --> 32:34.500] They're looking for a pushover and any any bit of
[32:34.500 --> 32:37.500] resistance perceived or otherwise they're going to
[32:37.500 --> 32:38.100] move on.
[32:38.600 --> 32:41.100] They're not you know if they believe for a minute that
[32:41.100 --> 32:42.500] you might have a firearm.
[32:42.600 --> 32:43.900] They're not going to bother you.
[32:44.000 --> 32:45.700] Yeah, they're going to look they're going to look they
[32:45.700 --> 32:47.100] want the easiest target.
[32:47.100 --> 32:49.100] They're looking for you know all these they're looking
[32:49.100 --> 32:51.600] for pushovers and I talked about home defense.
[32:51.600 --> 32:54.600] I said guys all you got to do is make your home look a
[32:54.600 --> 32:57.800] little more secure than the next house down the street
[32:57.800 --> 33:01.300] because the robbers the burglars are going to go for
[33:01.300 --> 33:04.700] the easiest target and that happens in personal safety
[33:04.900 --> 33:07.200] when you're looking at personal threats against you.
[33:08.700 --> 33:12.200] You know just tough just walk walk like you mean it
[33:12.200 --> 33:13.700] when you're walking through an area that you're a
[33:13.700 --> 33:18.400] little concerned to stand up tall bull walk with so
[33:18.400 --> 33:21.300] much purpose like you're ready to just take on the
[33:21.400 --> 33:24.400] world because a bad character is going to look and
[33:24.400 --> 33:28.300] say I don't know who that is but again if you're
[33:28.300 --> 33:30.800] walking with your shoulders down slow your head down
[33:30.800 --> 33:34.100] kind of plotting along you just look I mean you look
[33:34.100 --> 33:35.200] like an easy mark.
[33:35.300 --> 33:35.800] That's right.
[33:36.100 --> 33:39.100] Sometimes that's a difference and you know the
[33:39.100 --> 33:41.100] fire you're the weak you're the weak animal on the
[33:41.100 --> 33:43.200] edge of the herd right there and absolutely the
[33:43.200 --> 33:44.800] predator is going to take you off with that.
[33:46.400 --> 33:48.800] Most people I know that shoot and train and carry
[33:48.800 --> 33:51.600] firearms you can just look at them and you're not
[33:51.600 --> 33:52.300] going to mess with them.
[33:52.500 --> 33:53.500] They're not going to draw them.
[33:53.600 --> 33:55.200] They're never going to be in a situation to draw
[33:55.200 --> 33:57.900] the firearm because the fights not come into them
[33:57.900 --> 33:59.400] the fights go into the weak character.
[33:59.400 --> 34:02.600] So you know the more we can do to get people who
[34:02.600 --> 34:06.800] feel or may feel vulnerable to just pause you
[34:06.800 --> 34:09.900] don't need to go out and buy a firearm just go to a
[34:09.900 --> 34:13.300] training center and take a class they will walk you
[34:13.300 --> 34:14.900] through everything they'll provide you with a
[34:14.900 --> 34:18.200] firearm to try and get good instruction do it
[34:18.200 --> 34:21.800] properly and see how you feel just to see if it's
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[35:23.000 --> 35:25.500] You know, it's it's well tell us a little bit about
[35:25.500 --> 35:26.200] your products.
[35:26.700 --> 35:28.100] You're free to do a commercial here.
[35:28.300 --> 35:31.800] Tell us a little bit about how these things operate
[35:31.800 --> 35:34.100] and and you know what your design objectives are
[35:34.100 --> 35:37.500] for it and now they maybe are I've seen a lot of
[35:37.500 --> 35:37.800] these.
[35:37.800 --> 35:40.500] I don't know if that's your product or not that you
[35:40.500 --> 35:41.800] wouldn't know that's a safe.
[35:41.800 --> 35:43.800] It looks like a bookshelf or something like that.
[35:43.800 --> 35:47.300] Well ours ours do look like safes and what we do we
[35:47.300 --> 35:50.400] take 25 years of building military armories into a
[35:50.400 --> 35:51.800] line of consumer products.
[35:52.100 --> 35:54.600] Our safes are smaller and they're lightweight and
[35:54.600 --> 35:56.700] that's one of the biggest points of difference of
[35:56.700 --> 35:59.700] us gun safes are big heavy boxes because they
[35:59.700 --> 36:03.600] believe when people see heavy they think security
[36:04.100 --> 36:06.000] there's nothing weight has nothing to do with
[36:06.000 --> 36:10.400] security gun safes are breached with a circular saw
[36:10.400 --> 36:11.500] and a carbide blade.
[36:11.500 --> 36:13.900] If you look at any bit of crime data, they simply
[36:13.900 --> 36:14.700] ignore the locks.
[36:14.700 --> 36:16.100] They cut a hole in the side of the safe.
[36:16.400 --> 36:18.400] My safes are some, you know, the same thing can
[36:18.400 --> 36:21.100] happen, but our safes are small modular shallow
[36:21.400 --> 36:23.700] designed to go into closets designed to go into
[36:23.700 --> 36:25.000] discrete locations.
[36:25.500 --> 36:28.800] And then we store firearms per military principles
[36:29.000 --> 36:31.100] where it's straight line access to every firearm.
[36:31.100 --> 36:33.900] You open the door of my safe and you've got straight
[36:33.900 --> 36:35.200] line one arm one gun.
[36:35.200 --> 36:36.400] You're never digging through guns.
[36:36.400 --> 36:38.700] Everything is you can glance at the safe, you know,
[36:38.700 --> 36:39.700] everything's there.
[36:40.100 --> 36:42.900] And we also integrate gun and gear storage.
[36:43.300 --> 36:46.500] You know, it's a very modular scalable system.
[36:46.500 --> 36:48.700] Our gun safes in the military are referred to as
[36:48.700 --> 36:51.200] the Lego rack and the Tetris rack because the
[36:51.200 --> 36:53.800] armors just start at the bottom of each one and
[36:53.800 --> 36:56.000] just build like like Legos.
[36:56.000 --> 36:58.300] They build exactly what they need in every single
[36:58.300 --> 37:01.100] set every single cabinet to solve their problem.
[37:01.100 --> 37:02.900] Our consumer products do the same thing.
[37:03.200 --> 37:06.600] Our most recent breakthrough is what we call
[37:06.600 --> 37:10.200] HSFA locking high stress fast access locking.
[37:10.800 --> 37:13.900] We were hosting a training event just to learn
[37:13.900 --> 37:17.400] more about access to learn more about scenarios
[37:17.400 --> 37:18.300] that unfold.
[37:18.700 --> 37:20.900] And we were doing force on force training in a
[37:20.900 --> 37:21.600] shoot house.
[37:21.600 --> 37:24.200] We were simulating home invasions and office
[37:24.200 --> 37:27.000] break-ins and we determined when you trigger
[37:27.000 --> 37:29.500] someone into fight or flight and these guys were
[37:29.500 --> 37:32.500] all experienced shooters, but we could trigger
[37:32.500 --> 37:34.100] them into that panic mode.
[37:34.400 --> 37:37.600] They could not open a simple gun safe the buttons
[37:37.600 --> 37:39.600] they could because when you go fight or flight you
[37:39.600 --> 37:42.000] lose fine motor skills, you develop tunnel vision
[37:42.300 --> 37:43.900] your cognitive abilities reduced.
[37:44.200 --> 37:46.600] So I got back from that event and a day later I
[37:46.600 --> 37:49.500] had this new lock design drawn up within six
[37:49.500 --> 37:49.800] months.
[37:49.800 --> 37:52.400] It was incorporated across our entire line and
[37:52.400 --> 37:53.500] it's a locking solution.
[37:53.500 --> 37:57.100] It's a very simple very secure, but it's designed
[37:57.100 --> 38:00.000] to give you the fastest possible access when
[38:00.000 --> 38:01.900] you're under a very high stress like if somebody
[38:02.300 --> 38:04.600] home invasion, you've got a second and a half two
[38:04.600 --> 38:05.100] seconds.
[38:05.100 --> 38:06.500] Maybe somebody shooting at you.
[38:06.700 --> 38:07.800] You're in panic mode.
[38:08.300 --> 38:10.500] Our locking solution puts you in a position to
[38:10.700 --> 38:12.500] retrieve your firearm very quickly and defend
[38:12.500 --> 38:13.000] yourself.
[38:13.500 --> 38:15.100] That's the newest thing we've done.
[38:15.600 --> 38:17.200] So how does it open up?
[38:18.200 --> 38:20.800] It's just it's a it's a push or push button locks
[38:21.000 --> 38:23.100] which releases the safe and you simply it's a
[38:23.100 --> 38:23.400] handle.
[38:23.400 --> 38:26.600] You just turn a handle open the door ergonomically
[38:26.700 --> 38:29.600] we position all the guns so that and we have
[38:29.600 --> 38:31.700] videos on how to set up your safes.
[38:31.700 --> 38:33.900] Fastest possible access whether it's a rifle or
[38:33.900 --> 38:36.200] a handgun and it positions a firearm.
[38:36.200 --> 38:37.900] So I retrieve the firearm.
[38:38.100 --> 38:40.600] I retrieve it like for me if it's an air 15 left
[38:40.600 --> 38:43.800] hand on grip it comes up and in a one simple
[38:43.800 --> 38:44.400] motion.
[38:44.400 --> 38:46.800] I'm in a ready position to defend myself with
[38:46.800 --> 38:47.600] handguns.
[38:48.300 --> 38:50.200] The door accessing is a little different.
[38:50.200 --> 38:51.600] We're going to be positioning things.
[38:51.800 --> 38:54.700] So the safe pops open when the firearm comes out
[38:54.700 --> 38:55.200] of the safe.
[38:55.200 --> 38:57.500] You are in a low ready position or high ready
[38:57.500 --> 38:58.900] depending on the location of the safe.
[38:58.900 --> 39:02.400] But it's we're the only company that really
[39:02.400 --> 39:06.000] thinks about the ergonomics and the actual
[39:06.000 --> 39:09.400] flow of what people are doing when they need to
[39:09.400 --> 39:11.000] access a firearm very very quickly.
[39:11.000 --> 39:13.400] So we really and this goes back to our military
[39:13.700 --> 39:15.600] working with the Marine Corps the reaction force
[39:15.600 --> 39:18.500] teams working with special forces the high speed
[39:18.500 --> 39:23.500] teams where everything has to be seconds everything
[39:23.700 --> 39:26.000] and it has to be you know the old slow is smooth
[39:26.000 --> 39:27.000] smooth as fast.
[39:27.000 --> 39:32.600] We follow that idea that the simplest path is
[39:32.600 --> 39:33.500] usually the best.
[39:33.500 --> 39:36.500] The there's there's just it's what we do is very
[39:36.500 --> 39:37.200] simple.
[39:37.500 --> 39:39.600] It's just nobody in firearm storage ever thought
[39:39.600 --> 39:40.000] about it.
[39:40.000 --> 39:41.600] My you know gun saves nothing wrong with gun
[39:41.600 --> 39:42.100] safes.
[39:42.500 --> 39:43.500] They're just all the same.
[39:44.000 --> 39:46.000] It's a big box full of little W's and you pack
[39:46.000 --> 39:47.000] all your guns in there.
[39:47.300 --> 39:50.000] We also do not we do not offer fire ratings on
[39:50.000 --> 39:52.800] our core products fire ratings are nonsense.
[39:52.800 --> 39:55.700] It's it's if you can get it out quickly quickly
[39:55.700 --> 39:57.000] if there's a fire you can get it out.
[39:57.000 --> 39:59.100] So the whole fire rating system the whole fire
[39:59.100 --> 40:00.800] rating system is not honest.
[40:00.800 --> 40:03.100] It's it really I've done I posted a lot on this.
[40:03.700 --> 40:05.600] It is a horribly flawed system.
[40:05.800 --> 40:08.800] No your guns will not survive in a hot fire.
[40:08.800 --> 40:12.700] They won't and even if they look okay you'll
[40:12.700 --> 40:14.900] never know how hot they got your hardened steel
[40:14.900 --> 40:16.800] is not hard and your kneeled barrel may not be
[40:16.800 --> 40:17.300] annealed.
[40:17.500 --> 40:18.800] You're never going to shoot him again.
[40:19.000 --> 40:21.600] We do make one we call it the true safe.
[40:21.600 --> 40:24.100] It's a double walled cement filled safe.
[40:24.600 --> 40:27.400] We make it to prove a point that if you want
[40:27.400 --> 40:31.300] fire safety fire capacity fire rating this is
[40:31.300 --> 40:32.100] what it takes.
[40:32.600 --> 40:33.200] It's a beast.
[40:33.300 --> 40:35.500] It's just under two thousand pounds.
[40:36.300 --> 40:39.000] When you buy it from us we install it we send a
[40:39.000 --> 40:40.300] crew they install it.
[40:40.300 --> 40:42.000] You're never going to move this thing.
[40:42.400 --> 40:43.200] Do people need it.
[40:43.200 --> 40:45.100] No we made it to prove a point.
[40:45.400 --> 40:47.500] We do sell and they're very popular with coin
[40:47.500 --> 40:50.000] collectors we find but we do sell a handful of
[40:50.000 --> 40:50.600] them a month.
[40:50.800 --> 40:53.800] But really we made it just to show the gun
[40:53.800 --> 40:57.000] industry the world this is what a fire rating
[40:57.000 --> 41:01.300] is this is what it takes but you don't need a
[41:01.300 --> 41:03.600] fire rating the risk of your home burning down
[41:03.600 --> 41:08.200] is so rare that you know going through all that
[41:08.200 --> 41:10.900] nonsense and all that weight and all the
[41:10.900 --> 41:13.000] materials they use are all banned from use and
[41:13.000 --> 41:15.500] armor to the drywall the carpeting the adhesives
[41:15.800 --> 41:17.100] is all very corrosive.
[41:17.400 --> 41:19.200] You know the reason the industry sells millions
[41:19.200 --> 41:21.100] of dollars of anti-corrosion products
[41:21.500 --> 41:24.500] because a traditional gun safe is very corrosive.
[41:24.800 --> 41:27.000] You know ours all of our products are civilian
[41:27.000 --> 41:30.300] are all made to the same military standards and
[41:30.300 --> 41:32.100] we don't recommend using any of those products.
[41:32.100 --> 41:34.000] You simply clean your guns properly.
[41:34.400 --> 41:35.300] They're never going to corrode.
[41:35.400 --> 41:39.200] It's and that's kind of our whole position in the
[41:39.200 --> 41:40.000] consumer market.
[41:40.000 --> 41:43.200] We are the I don't say redheaded stepchild but
[41:43.200 --> 41:44.900] we're the guys we're the outlier.
[41:46.000 --> 41:49.200] We're the disruptive force in the industry trying
[41:49.200 --> 41:49.700] to drive.
[41:49.800 --> 41:51.800] We're trying to change an industry that's just
[41:51.800 --> 41:54.900] been doing the same thing for 65 years.
[41:56.800 --> 41:58.200] Your perspective is very different.
[41:58.200 --> 42:00.900] You're looking at this is how do I store this so
[42:00.900 --> 42:03.000] I can get quick access to it instead of you know,
[42:03.000 --> 42:04.200] how do I make this thing?
[42:04.400 --> 42:06.600] It was stand a hurricane and a fire and all the
[42:06.600 --> 42:09.800] rest of this stuff, you know, and now let me ask
[42:09.800 --> 42:12.500] you how do you go from a lot standpoint to being
[42:12.500 --> 42:13.900] able to open it quickly?
[42:14.200 --> 42:16.200] You're talking about pushing a button and getting
[42:16.200 --> 42:16.800] this case.
[42:16.800 --> 42:19.400] So our locks are all we I mean we have biometrics
[42:19.400 --> 42:22.200] within our locks, but we would never ever recommend
[42:22.200 --> 42:23.900] use of a buy like a push button, you know,
[42:23.900 --> 42:25.500] biometric fingerprint readers.
[42:25.800 --> 42:27.900] Those are for convenience only because if your
[42:27.900 --> 42:29.500] hands are wet, it won't open your hands are dirty.
[42:29.500 --> 42:30.700] It won't open if you're wearing gloves.
[42:30.700 --> 42:31.500] It won't open.
[42:31.700 --> 42:35.600] We want everybody to use the keypad again, our
[42:35.600 --> 42:37.700] fast access keypads work very well.
[42:37.700 --> 42:40.800] But when you buy my safe, if you've got an under
[42:40.800 --> 42:43.400] the bed safe for a shotgun every night when you go
[42:43.400 --> 42:45.600] to bed turn the lights off, you're going to reach
[42:45.600 --> 42:49.000] down quietly and smoothly do your combination open
[42:49.000 --> 42:50.500] the safe and close it go to bed.
[42:50.800 --> 42:52.300] You're going to do that every night for the first
[42:52.300 --> 42:54.200] 36 nights and then you're going to do it every
[42:54.200 --> 42:56.300] week and what you're doing is you're building
[42:56.300 --> 42:58.500] muscle memory just like a musician playing an
[42:58.500 --> 42:59.100] instrument.
[42:59.600 --> 43:02.200] And when you do that, once you go 36 days, you've
[43:02.200 --> 43:04.600] now ingrained that you've hardwired that your
[43:04.600 --> 43:07.300] subconscious regardless of your state.
[43:07.600 --> 43:10.200] You're going to open that safe incredibly quickly
[43:10.700 --> 43:11.700] and very smoothly.
[43:11.700 --> 43:14.200] So that's you know, we have a whole curriculum of
[43:14.200 --> 43:15.300] train with your safe.
[43:15.800 --> 43:18.700] People with handguns always they practice or dry
[43:18.700 --> 43:19.600] fire routines.
[43:19.600 --> 43:20.800] They practice their draw.
[43:21.100 --> 43:24.300] If you're actively if you conceal carry if you're
[43:25.200 --> 43:27.800] into this, you know, part of the second amendment
[43:28.100 --> 43:30.200] you should be every morning doing your dry fire
[43:30.200 --> 43:30.700] routines.
[43:30.700 --> 43:34.300] I sit on a on a slack line balancing just for
[43:34.300 --> 43:35.900] added added.
[43:36.500 --> 43:36.900] I don't know.
[43:36.900 --> 43:39.900] Just just a workout thing and I do dry fire drills
[43:40.000 --> 43:42.100] every morning and I've been doing that for years
[43:42.900 --> 43:44.700] because that's it's just getting those reps and
[43:44.700 --> 43:45.600] it's so important.
[43:46.500 --> 43:49.500] Same thing with my locking system is every time
[43:49.500 --> 43:51.200] you go to if you've got a small safe in your
[43:51.200 --> 43:53.200] closet by your front door, which is a great
[43:53.200 --> 43:55.600] location to store firearms every time I pull a
[43:55.600 --> 43:58.200] coat out to just reach in I've been looking I can
[43:58.200 --> 44:00.400] open up that safe or remove a firearm in less than
[44:00.400 --> 44:03.200] a second with my eyes closed because I've done
[44:03.200 --> 44:06.800] it probably two thousand times and that's that's
[44:06.800 --> 44:11.700] kind of how we look at the whole thing is the you
[44:11.700 --> 44:13.900] know, the gun safe industry has a safe as a
[44:13.900 --> 44:16.200] passive piece of equipment that's in your basement
[44:16.500 --> 44:18.600] that you go to after your day is done with
[44:18.600 --> 44:20.500] training or hunting or whatever you're doing.
[44:20.900 --> 44:25.000] We look at firearm storage as integral to the
[44:25.000 --> 44:27.300] process of defending your home the process of
[44:27.300 --> 44:28.400] defending your life.
[44:28.600 --> 44:31.500] So we want that access that using that lock to be
[44:31.500 --> 44:33.100] part of your process.
[44:35.100 --> 44:36.700] It's another holster in other words.
[44:37.800 --> 44:39.400] That's the term we've used a holster for your
[44:39.400 --> 44:42.000] home and and that's how we look at it.
[44:42.000 --> 44:45.200] The other side of our system is gun and gear
[44:45.200 --> 44:47.500] storage the amount of gear and this happened to
[44:47.500 --> 44:49.600] military first, you know, we got involved with the
[44:49.600 --> 44:52.900] military because they were fielding so much high
[44:52.900 --> 44:55.200] value gear their armories just couldn't hold it.
[44:55.500 --> 44:58.500] And part of our our system is that ability to
[44:58.500 --> 45:02.500] store gear behind above around with your firearms
[45:02.500 --> 45:03.800] in a very organized manner.
[45:03.800 --> 45:07.500] So we have a real advantage our systems when you
[45:07.500 --> 45:10.100] open the doors up of a safe that's really really
[45:10.100 --> 45:11.900] decked out and take a picture of it.
[45:12.000 --> 45:15.500] Everybody goes, holy cow, that looks good.
[45:15.600 --> 45:19.800] And that's, you know, our we made ink magazines
[45:19.800 --> 45:22.200] fastest growing companies in America twice in
[45:22.200 --> 45:23.100] three years.
[45:23.400 --> 45:25.700] Never we never spent any money on advertising.
[45:26.200 --> 45:27.500] It was all word of mouth.
[45:27.500 --> 45:29.800] It was just photographs of what people were doing
[45:29.800 --> 45:32.000] with our system and it just went crazy.
[45:33.100 --> 45:36.500] So it's a I think we're winning this idea that
[45:36.500 --> 45:39.800] of you know for what we do storage and security
[45:40.900 --> 45:45.600] are integral to safety and you know home defense
[45:45.900 --> 45:47.700] and that really is the vulnerability that we have.
[45:47.700 --> 45:49.900] You know, we have the people don't use the firearms
[45:50.000 --> 45:53.400] reasonably then that opens us up to the attack on
[45:53.700 --> 45:56.800] firearm ownership absolutely safety standpoint.
[45:56.800 --> 46:00.100] So part of preserving the Second Amendment is
[46:00.100 --> 46:02.900] preserving your life and preserving the safe storage
[46:02.900 --> 46:04.800] of these items as well, isn't it?
[46:05.200 --> 46:05.700] Absolutely.
[46:05.700 --> 46:08.700] If we always say if every firearm in America was
[46:08.700 --> 46:12.400] properly secured, would we be fighting so hard for
[46:12.400 --> 46:13.800] the Second Amendment because you're going to
[46:13.800 --> 46:17.300] eliminate so many what I call them stupid.
[46:17.300 --> 46:19.700] So many the accidental the things you read about
[46:19.700 --> 46:22.300] you just you just you know, you roll your eyes
[46:22.300 --> 46:23.100] you drop your head.
[46:23.100 --> 46:23.800] It's a tragedy.
[46:23.800 --> 46:27.100] But just like my God, it was so easy to prevent
[46:27.100 --> 46:30.200] that it's we live at a time now where there should
[46:30.200 --> 46:34.600] never be a child getting access to a firearm or
[46:35.000 --> 46:37.300] a friend at a party who's drunk or you know,
[46:37.300 --> 46:42.100] there's there's it's real easy now to keep firearms
[46:42.100 --> 46:46.200] secured yet very very available to the to the
[46:46.200 --> 46:47.300] authorized person.
[46:47.600 --> 46:48.000] Yes.
[46:48.200 --> 46:50.600] And of course, you know, we see elements of this
[46:50.600 --> 46:52.400] when it comes to automobiles as well, right?
[46:53.100 --> 46:55.200] And you know when people don't use automobiles
[46:55.200 --> 46:58.700] responsibly then that puts all of us in a position
[46:58.700 --> 47:01.300] of having our rights stripped away with that.
[47:01.600 --> 47:04.300] And of course since so many people don't have
[47:04.300 --> 47:06.400] experience with firearms at all like they do with
[47:06.400 --> 47:09.100] cars whenever they see something like this,
[47:09.100 --> 47:11.400] I think that that is characteristic of everybody
[47:11.400 --> 47:14.000] rather than just one irresponsible person.
[47:14.000 --> 47:17.300] So it's really important for you personally and
[47:17.300 --> 47:19.800] it's important for us collectively to protect
[47:19.800 --> 47:20.800] the Second Amendment.
[47:21.100 --> 47:23.400] But the key thing is for your own use.
[47:23.400 --> 47:25.800] And so I really like the idea that you got that
[47:25.800 --> 47:27.900] it's another holster that's there that you train
[47:27.900 --> 47:30.100] with it to be able to open up very quickly.
[47:30.100 --> 47:31.200] That's a great idea.
[47:31.500 --> 47:33.500] Again, the company is yes, go ahead.
[47:33.500 --> 47:33.900] Sorry.
[47:34.000 --> 47:35.100] It's Secure It Tactical.
[47:35.100 --> 47:37.600] You know, we're working hard to get this message out.
[47:40.000 --> 47:41.100] We're slowly winning it.
[47:41.100 --> 47:42.300] It's just not easy.
[47:42.800 --> 47:44.300] You know, we're trying to change the way people
[47:44.300 --> 47:46.300] think and that takes time.
[47:46.500 --> 47:50.100] It just does and but we're slowly we're slowly
[47:50.100 --> 47:51.000] winning this war.
[47:51.300 --> 47:51.700] Yes.
[47:51.700 --> 47:52.100] Yes.
[47:52.500 --> 47:55.300] And so the company again folks is Secure It.
[47:55.700 --> 47:56.600] What is your website?
[47:56.600 --> 47:57.200] Is it secure?
[47:57.200 --> 47:57.800] It's secure.
[47:57.900 --> 48:01.200] Yes, SecureItGunStorage.com and then Secure It Tactical
[48:01.200 --> 48:02.200] is our military site.
[48:02.200 --> 48:03.600] Please Google the word Secure It.
[48:03.600 --> 48:05.000] We're all over the web.
[48:05.000 --> 48:05.600] That's great.
[48:05.700 --> 48:06.500] Thank you so much.
[48:06.500 --> 48:07.600] Fascinating story.
[48:07.900 --> 48:10.400] And we'll be looking at it ourselves.
[48:10.400 --> 48:10.900] I'm sure.
[48:11.300 --> 48:12.400] So thank you very much Tom.
[48:12.400 --> 48:13.000] I appreciate it.
[48:13.300 --> 48:16.500] Tom Kupnack and Secure It Gun Storage.
[48:16.600 --> 48:17.800] Thank you so much for joining us.
[48:18.100 --> 48:18.300] All right.
[48:18.300 --> 48:18.700] Thank you.
[48:18.800 --> 48:19.300] Thank you.
[48:19.500 --> 48:22.400] And by the way, I should mention that they don't sell
[48:22.400 --> 48:24.300] these in the stores because as you heard, they've got
[48:24.300 --> 48:28.000] a lot of training information on the site and that
[48:28.000 --> 48:30.800] really does show how to use the product, how to
[48:30.800 --> 48:31.700] train with the product.
[48:31.700 --> 48:34.900] So they're very much integrated into an online
[48:34.900 --> 48:35.500] presentation.
[48:35.500 --> 48:37.100] So just check out the website.
[48:37.100 --> 48:40.400] You can find them online if you look for Secure It IT.
[48:50.900 --> 48:51.800] The common man.
[48:55.100 --> 48:57.800] They created common core to dumb down our children.
[48:58.100 --> 49:01.100] They created common paths to track and control us.
[49:01.200 --> 49:04.000] Their commons project to make sure the commoners
[49:04.100 --> 49:07.600] own nothing and the communist future.
[49:09.100 --> 49:12.100] They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated,
[49:12.200 --> 49:16.200] ordinary, but each of us has worth and dignity
[49:16.300 --> 49:18.300] created in the image of God.
[49:20.400 --> 49:21.900] That is what we have in common.
[49:22.400 --> 49:24.100] That is what they want to take away.
[49:24.900 --> 49:28.100] Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception,
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[49:30.000 --> 49:32.600] They desire to know everything about us while
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