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[01:07.280 --> 01:08.280]  All right, welcome back.
[01:08.280 --> 01:09.720]  And joining us now is Tony Ardavan.
[01:09.720 --> 01:14.080]  I apologize for losing track of the time here.
[01:14.080 --> 01:19.440]  And we haven't lost track of Tony, but it might appear like that to the audience, because
[01:19.440 --> 01:20.920]  it's been a while since Tony's been on.
[01:20.920 --> 01:25.280]  He took some time off for the Christmas holidays and things like that to try to get caught
[01:25.280 --> 01:26.280]  up.
[01:26.280 --> 01:28.960]  But it's been a great time, of course, in the metals market.
[01:28.960 --> 01:31.520]  Things have been moving incredibly quickly.
[01:31.520 --> 01:35.680]  And I don't know how you do it, Tony, how you take the time to come on at all.
[01:35.680 --> 01:37.360]  But it's great to have you back.
[01:37.360 --> 01:41.440]  And we're really anxious to talk to you with all the things that have been happening.
[01:41.440 --> 01:44.400]  We're now up over $4,600.
[01:44.400 --> 01:45.400]  Gold has gone high.
[01:45.400 --> 01:48.560]  We had well over 80 for silver.
[01:48.560 --> 01:50.240]  I don't know what the exact price is of silver.
[01:50.240 --> 01:53.800]  I don't follow this stuff on a day-to-day basis, but you do.
[01:53.800 --> 01:55.960]  And it's really crazy times, isn't it?
[01:56.440 --> 02:02.000]  This last week, we just had both of them get a shot in the arm again from Trump, because
[02:02.000 --> 02:05.160]  he wants to be the dictator of the dollar.
[02:05.160 --> 02:07.720]  He wants to be the one who's going to set this.
[02:07.720 --> 02:13.360]  And you have to look at this, and I can understand why the markets and why Wall Street investors
[02:13.360 --> 02:15.000]  and anything would be scared of this.
[02:15.000 --> 02:16.880]  Just take a look at what he did with tariffs.
[02:16.880 --> 02:19.240]  It doesn't matter what you think about tariffs.
[02:19.240 --> 02:22.360]  It doesn't matter what you think about interest rates.
[02:22.360 --> 02:25.480]  Trump is going to be setting, if he's going to be the one setting interest rates, they're
[02:25.480 --> 02:28.120]  going to be varying based on what he had for breakfast this morning.
[02:28.120 --> 02:29.400]  It's going to be crazy, right?
[02:31.040 --> 02:37.480]  Well, the uncertainty is certainly the underlying driver of these prices that you can go with
[02:37.480 --> 02:42.000]  the traditional market forces, David, as I was saying off air, I think.
[02:42.920 --> 02:48.720]  And I started to notice this in the last quarter of 2025 and towards December, I just said
[02:48.720 --> 02:52.600]  I'm taking the rest of the month off of my shows and appearances.
[02:52.640 --> 02:59.320]  I got to focus on my business because so many people were selling silver because it was
[02:59.320 --> 03:01.240]  reaching new all time highs in every week.
[03:01.240 --> 03:04.080]  And, you know, something else was happening, new price drive.
[03:04.880 --> 03:10.200]  And so I've seen this accumulate over the last 30, 45 days.
[03:10.200 --> 03:15.080]  And I'm just convinced now that we're in some sort of fourth dimensional warfare between
[03:15.080 --> 03:21.200]  governments. I think silver is in a key playing role in the currency wars that are going on
[03:21.200 --> 03:28.560]  right now. And I remember when Russia put silver as a strategic reserve asset, that
[03:28.560 --> 03:30.520]  story really stuck out with me.
[03:30.520 --> 03:32.320]  And I talked about it on your show.
[03:32.320 --> 03:33.720]  I talked about my show many times.
[03:33.720 --> 03:36.920]  I thought this should get a lot more coverage than it's getting.
[03:36.920 --> 03:39.880]  I don't think you that people really understood what that meant.
[03:40.400 --> 03:45.040]  That was the first time that a major government, especially a nuclear power, is saying we're
[03:45.040 --> 03:48.880]  signaling that this is a monetary asset for us again.
[03:48.880 --> 03:54.480]  And silver used to have that that same standing with, especially in countries like China in
[03:54.480 --> 03:57.880]  the early 20th century and for centuries before that.
[03:58.080 --> 04:02.240]  And as you pointed out many times, you know, the very word that is used for the Indian
[04:02.240 --> 04:04.440]  currency comes from silver.
[04:04.880 --> 04:07.160]  Yeah. And that's right.
[04:07.160 --> 04:09.600]  And I think wasn't that the case with the dollar as well?
[04:10.600 --> 04:13.960]  There was another currency that was that way as well as a word for silver.
[04:13.960 --> 04:20.080]  The dollar, it was based off a German silver coin with a similar name.
[04:20.320 --> 04:23.000]  T-H-A-L-E-R, right?
[04:23.000 --> 04:23.840]  Yeah, dollar, yeah.
[04:24.320 --> 04:25.720]  So it went from dollar to dollar.
[04:27.640 --> 04:31.400]  So, yeah, really, I mean, you know, silver because of the lower value was really kind of
[04:31.400 --> 04:33.880]  the every man's currency that they were passing around.
[04:34.200 --> 04:39.160]  The gold was there as a store of wealth, of sovereign wealth and that type of thing, which is
[04:39.160 --> 04:40.600]  what we're seeing with the central banks.
[04:40.960 --> 04:46.280]  But we've also seen a massive amount of individual purchasing, you know, the shortage that
[04:46.280 --> 04:50.360]  we talked about before what happened in India, you know, every year they have as part of
[04:50.360 --> 04:54.640]  their religious observations, they will accumulate wealth or whatever.
[04:54.640 --> 04:57.760]  Typically they would get gold, but one guy said, hey, you need to get silver this year.
[04:57.760 --> 05:02.440]  So everybody was buying silver, created a big shortage in terms of distribution.
[05:02.720 --> 05:05.920]  And there's something else happening with silver that I thought was kind of interesting.
[05:06.560 --> 05:13.480]  And that was sent to me by, listen, the guy put out three videos yesterday and there
[05:13.480 --> 05:15.200]  were a lot of assertions that were made in it.
[05:15.240 --> 05:21.360]  And it wasn't possible for me to verify what he was saying in terms of commodity trades
[05:21.800 --> 05:24.320]  and amounts. He said, this is not anything that's concealed.
[05:24.320 --> 05:25.400]  This is not a theory.
[05:25.760 --> 05:28.560]  These are actual trades that have been made by J.P.
[05:28.560 --> 05:33.480]  Morgan. And he said, if you look at this, he said, you total it up on these various
[05:33.480 --> 05:37.720]  exchanges that they were short 4.2 billion ounces of silver.
[05:38.240 --> 05:42.120]  And so what he was saying was, this is about to go vertical.
[05:42.360 --> 05:45.000]  And I can't verify if that's true.
[05:45.000 --> 05:48.080]  I sent it to you. And I know there was a lot of information there.
[05:48.080 --> 05:52.400]  And he was referring to a lot of things that is very hard for us to get access to.
[05:53.040 --> 05:55.040]  But, you know, what do you think about that?
[05:55.040 --> 05:58.520]  I mean, as you said, it's kind of four dimensional warfare that's going on now.
[05:59.400 --> 06:03.000]  Well, that's a that's something that we've talked about for years.
[06:03.000 --> 06:04.160]  The role that J.P.
[06:04.160 --> 06:09.560]  Morgan has played in silver is has a lot of history.
[06:09.560 --> 06:13.520]  And there's some shadowy things that have gone on there and some great some things that
[06:13.520 --> 06:14.960]  are suspect and criminal.
[06:14.960 --> 06:21.080]  I mean, they've been convicted of of shorting the silver market of fraud, really.
[06:21.080 --> 06:25.760]  I mean, if you if you want to put it in that way and they had paid a steep fine for it.
[06:25.760 --> 06:28.920]  And I don't I want to say it was more than once.
[06:29.280 --> 06:33.360]  And if you go if you go into their history, they're the largest.
[06:34.360 --> 06:40.080]  Of holder of physical silver, supposedly in the world, private holder other than governments.
[06:40.560 --> 06:42.640]  And that's been that way for a very long time.
[06:42.640 --> 06:46.240]  You got to remember, you go back to the 70s and you had the the Hunt family and they
[06:46.240 --> 06:50.200]  cornered the silver market. And I coined the term deep stated.
[06:50.240 --> 06:55.720]  I thought that they they were just basically, you know, taken out, taken out to the
[06:55.720 --> 07:01.640]  woodshed and punished for exposing weakness of the dollar in the late 1970s, early 80s.
[07:01.640 --> 07:03.480]  And nobody touched silver again.
[07:03.480 --> 07:08.120]  There was a time when Warren Buffett supposedly was, you know, into some physical silver.
[07:08.120 --> 07:10.240]  But, you know, he has that pet rock theory.
[07:10.240 --> 07:11.160]  He doesn't do anything.
[07:11.160 --> 07:13.920]  He didn't. I think he held some for a while and then dumped it.
[07:13.920 --> 07:19.720]  So nobody through the 80s and 90s and 2000s has picked up the mantle of silver.
[07:19.720 --> 07:24.080]  But J.P. Morgan was one of those entities that started accumulating.
[07:24.080 --> 07:28.640]  And I imagine that they have a lot of analysts are looking at this as where does the fiat
[07:28.640 --> 07:34.040]  dollar go? What is silver's uses for all all the factors that would drive it up?
[07:34.040 --> 07:39.840]  And I think they've been and again, they were convicted of suppressing the silver
[07:39.840 --> 07:41.960]  price while they were buying.
[07:41.960 --> 07:45.800]  So it's like and that doesn't register with a lot of people.
[07:45.840 --> 07:49.680]  A lot of people think of stock fraud as a pump and dump where they're just going to
[07:49.680 --> 07:52.480]  inflate the price, drive people in it and then sell off.
[07:52.480 --> 07:53.920]  That's not what they did.
[07:53.920 --> 07:55.960]  This has been a long term play.
[07:55.960 --> 08:00.000]  And I'd love to see if I didn't have enough time to verify some of the things you sent
[08:00.000 --> 08:04.480]  me yesterday. But it it does make sense that I didn't get that to you till really late.
[08:04.480 --> 08:06.280]  And there was a lot there.
[08:06.280 --> 08:10.120]  Guy goes, it's about a half hour video and he's got two or three of them that he put
[08:10.120 --> 08:13.240]  up. But yeah, it is it is a complicated situation.
[08:13.240 --> 08:16.360]  Of course, there's always been this tension between gold and silver and go back to
[08:16.360 --> 08:21.360]  when William Jennings Bryant and his cross of gold speech and that type of thing.
[08:21.360 --> 08:25.960]  But it's yeah, it's we live in very strange times here.
[08:25.960 --> 08:30.400]  And of course, we're talking about how Trump portrays this stuff.
[08:30.400 --> 08:36.080]  He just told the Detroit Economic Club that inflation is defeated.
[08:36.080 --> 08:42.240]  Nobody believes that. But him, he is such a bold faced liar that he will say that
[08:42.520 --> 08:44.240]  probably go into stores.
[08:44.240 --> 08:48.440]  They can get that that banner that George W. Bush has had the mission accomplished.
[08:48.440 --> 08:55.160]  We can get that back over the white just just right in inflation accomplished.
[08:56.160 --> 08:58.880]  Yeah. And we had evidence of that.
[08:59.240 --> 09:03.320]  Everybody was scared to death of what he was going to do when he started coming after
[09:03.320 --> 09:08.360]  Jerome Powell. And that was one of the reasons I said when we're talking about this
[09:08.360 --> 09:13.520]  thing in the fall and you would see JP Morgan, all these different large banks,
[09:13.520 --> 09:15.960]  Goldman Sachs, and they come up with a Bank of America.
[09:15.960 --> 09:19.560]  They've got their analysts to say, well, we think gold is going to be here at this
[09:19.560 --> 09:23.080]  point in the first quarter or the second quarter of the first half or this.
[09:23.360 --> 09:25.000]  We see that kind of stuff all the time from them.
[09:25.360 --> 09:28.160]  And they constantly kept revising it up.
[09:28.160 --> 09:29.800]  And it's like, well, we just passed out already.
[09:29.800 --> 09:31.840]  You know, look at this stuff in the fall.
[09:32.000 --> 09:38.320]  And I said, it's really going to really step up because Jerome Powell is going to
[09:38.320 --> 09:40.360]  be ending his term.
[09:40.720 --> 09:43.680]  But, you know, Trump doesn't even want to wait for that.
[09:43.680 --> 09:48.760]  He is so eager to play games with interest rates and the quantitative easing.
[09:48.760 --> 09:54.240]  I mean, he is chomping at the bit and so much so that he's going to take the risk.
[09:55.000 --> 09:58.080]  What risk? I mean, his supporters are going to support him no matter what he does.
[09:58.520 --> 10:03.880]  But so much so that he wants to come after with criminal charges, come after Jerome
[10:03.880 --> 10:05.760]  Powell and get rid of him like he did Lisa Cook.
[10:06.160 --> 10:08.160]  Isn't that interesting? I think that's a big tell.
[10:08.160 --> 10:12.600]  As to what his economic policies are going to be right out the gate, he's going to do
[10:12.600 --> 10:16.440]  everything he can to push every button to have easy money.
[10:16.440 --> 10:18.360]  And that's going to make inflation roar.
[10:18.360 --> 10:21.360]  He's going to pour a lot of gasoline on the fire.
[10:22.760 --> 10:23.880]  He's an agent of chaos.
[10:24.000 --> 10:24.720]  Yeah, he is.
[10:25.000 --> 10:30.720]  The Federal Reserve is a criminal entity, just not really maybe for the building of
[10:30.720 --> 10:37.080]  an extra wing. I think it's for the entire scope of what they've done to our currency,
[10:37.200 --> 10:38.160]  to our world.
[10:38.160 --> 10:42.760]  I mean, I mean, the very reality and the fabric of America has been ripped apart by
[10:42.760 --> 10:45.080]  the central bank. Don't mention that, you know.
[10:45.560 --> 10:46.760]  It is very telling.
[10:46.760 --> 10:49.520]  And, you know, certainly he has a lot that he can say.
[10:49.920 --> 10:54.440]  How can you justify two and a half billion dollars not even to build?
[10:54.520 --> 10:57.520]  I mean, this is not foundation costs or grading costs.
[10:58.120 --> 10:59.440]  This is just decorations.
[10:59.440 --> 11:03.440]  Right. They're going to remodel it with decorate two and a half billion dollars of
[11:03.440 --> 11:06.480]  decorations for these existing buildings.
[11:06.480 --> 11:11.000]  That's outrageous. But I said, so he's going to audit that, but he's not going to
[11:11.000 --> 11:14.280]  audit the Fed itself. He's not going to audit Fort Knox's gold.
[11:15.240 --> 11:19.800]  Let's focus on this other thing over here that really doesn't matter, except as an
[11:19.800 --> 11:25.960]  indication of the corruption and the just the raw power that the Federal Reserve has.
[11:27.320 --> 11:28.560]  It's absolutely astounding.
[11:28.560 --> 11:32.640]  I mean, and people are following this like this is a good thing.
[11:32.680 --> 11:35.200]  And I think it's just chaos for the sake of chaos.
[11:35.880 --> 11:42.480]  The whole thing that's pushing all of this, you know, the drive and prices is the
[11:42.480 --> 11:46.840]  movement out of like safe haven traditional markets where people played and, you know,
[11:46.840 --> 11:48.400]  there's long term paper markets.
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[12:49.280 --> 12:50.880]  This is this is fear.
[12:50.880 --> 12:51.200]  Yeah.
[12:51.200 --> 12:53.040]  And again, it's governments that are involved.
[12:53.840 --> 12:57.840]  People might think I enjoy where we are in the silver price.
[12:57.840 --> 13:00.400]  I think it should have taken a little bit longer.
[13:00.400 --> 13:06.880]  These massive hikes that we've seen that are really unprecedented since the 1970s.
[13:06.880 --> 13:10.160]  And this won't I don't believe this will end like the 1970s, David.
[13:10.160 --> 13:15.920]  I don't think that, you know, silver went from fifty two dollars to two in 1980.
[13:15.920 --> 13:17.280]  We're not that's not going to happen.
[13:18.720 --> 13:19.680]  It's not going to happen.
[13:19.680 --> 13:20.560]  Nothing like that.
[13:20.560 --> 13:24.080]  There might be some pullback and there probably will be both in gold and silver.
[13:24.080 --> 13:25.760]  And there's profit taking that could go on.
[13:25.760 --> 13:32.080]  But I think we're pushing new boundaries and price discovery every single day.
[13:32.080 --> 13:37.440]  And this is a reflection of the weakness of the dollar, the weakness of the fiat system,
[13:38.000 --> 13:44.640]  the massive systemic malignancy of worldwide debt, the global debt that is really,
[13:44.640 --> 13:49.760]  I mean, it's bankruptcy on paper for pretty much the entire world if you look at debt to GDP.
[13:50.400 --> 13:53.200]  And we've been talking about that for a long time and it's only accelerating.
[13:53.200 --> 14:02.880]  But there's an underlying, I think, story going on with silver because of the governments that
[14:02.880 --> 14:07.280]  I think are starting to realize that these strategic assets and especially silver,
[14:07.280 --> 14:12.880]  gold, things like that, they're reaching for the physical bullion and all the paper markets.
[14:12.880 --> 14:14.320]  Those days are gone.
[14:14.320 --> 14:15.040]  And thank God.
[14:15.040 --> 14:21.280]  I mean, I remember February of 21, David, they did the Wall Street bets and they did
[14:21.600 --> 14:25.200]  the Reddit people and they did buy silver.
[14:25.200 --> 14:31.040]  And people were sold out of physical silver all around the country.
[14:31.040 --> 14:34.400]  And they were trying to get the price to move by buying out the physical silver.
[14:34.400 --> 14:37.280]  And people went and bought physical silver out of shops.
[14:37.280 --> 14:39.520]  And my shop is that way and we sold out.
[14:40.400 --> 14:42.000]  And the next day the price went down.
[14:42.960 --> 14:46.960]  And that's because they did because they sold off these paper markets that they
[14:46.960 --> 14:48.400]  used to be able to control the price.
[14:48.400 --> 14:55.120]  They sold off 1.5 times the annual supply in one day and just hit sell, sell, sell.
[14:55.120 --> 14:56.480]  And it dumped that price down.
[14:56.480 --> 14:58.320]  So the spot actually went down.
[14:58.320 --> 15:01.680]  But if you went in to go buy silver the next day, you couldn't get any.
[15:02.640 --> 15:04.800]  And I thought this is broken.
[15:04.800 --> 15:05.600]  This can't last.
[15:05.600 --> 15:08.400]  This is a complete exposure of what that market was.
[15:09.040 --> 15:10.320]  Well, we're not there anymore.
[15:10.880 --> 15:12.800]  And you can't go back.
[15:13.520 --> 15:18.080]  You go to the beginning of the year when we talked about the Black Swan event,
[15:18.080 --> 15:23.680]  really with unintended consequences was just the threat of tariffs
[15:23.680 --> 15:26.960]  and not giving clarification on whether gold or silver
[15:27.680 --> 15:31.520]  or commodities would be tariffed if they entered into the country.
[15:32.400 --> 15:36.800]  And that alone started clearing out vaults and contracts were called.
[15:37.600 --> 15:39.520]  It's a cascading event.
[15:39.520 --> 15:41.200]  It needed to happen.
[15:41.280 --> 15:43.760]  But that was the unintended consequence.
[15:43.760 --> 15:47.920]  Without that, we don't have forty six hundred dollar gold on our way to five thousand.
[15:47.920 --> 15:49.120]  We don't have that.
[15:49.120 --> 15:53.600]  If you remember last year, we hit an all time high over 30 plus times.
[15:53.600 --> 15:57.440]  I think almost every time I come on the air with you, there'll be a new all time high.
[15:58.160 --> 16:01.040]  So it was really unprecedented.
[16:01.040 --> 16:04.560]  It's uncharted waters and nothing really in history
[16:05.440 --> 16:07.440]  lines up to what we're watching.
[16:07.440 --> 16:07.920]  Exactly.
[16:08.720 --> 16:10.400]  I don't think it even rhymes.
[16:11.200 --> 16:14.000]  Well, yeah, it's a very different time.
[16:14.000 --> 16:16.240]  If you go back and you look at the 1980s,
[16:17.840 --> 16:21.040]  what was happening to that in terms of gold and silver,
[16:21.600 --> 16:25.200]  that was the shock that was sent through the system because of the energy,
[16:25.200 --> 16:29.200]  because of OPEC and the oil shortage and embargo and things like that.
[16:29.200 --> 16:30.640]  That set off a wave of inflation.
[16:31.360 --> 16:33.040]  And we saw that in the interest rates.
[16:33.040 --> 16:37.200]  And so just in this last week, kind of to underscore that,
[16:37.840 --> 16:43.600]  the fact that Trump is talking about the confiscatory interest rates on credit cards.
[16:43.600 --> 16:47.840]  Well, that's there because they got rid of the caps on usury.
[16:48.480 --> 16:49.600]  It wasn't a federal cap.
[16:49.600 --> 16:52.560]  As I point out this week, it was a state law.
[16:52.560 --> 16:55.600]  And this is a tradition that had gone back to the 1500s
[16:57.680 --> 17:02.480]  in English and American tradition that you would not charge more than six or eight percent.
[17:02.480 --> 17:03.120]  It'd be illegal.
[17:03.120 --> 17:06.960]  That'd be considered to be usury, loan sharking, that type of thing.
[17:06.960 --> 17:09.040]  But because we had such rapid inflation,
[17:10.320 --> 17:12.160]  first the Supreme Court and then the Congress.
[17:12.160 --> 17:16.160]  And the Supreme Court in 1978, then the Congress in 1980,
[17:16.160 --> 17:20.880]  did things to essentially get rid of the state usury laws.
[17:21.520 --> 17:26.560]  And so now Trump wants to do just a one-year moratorium
[17:26.560 --> 17:29.840]  on these ridiculous rates that they're able to charge people.
[17:29.840 --> 17:30.880]  It's the most amazing thing.
[17:30.880 --> 17:34.080]  But it really does show the character of the banking system, Tony,
[17:34.080 --> 17:35.600]  when you see how they come back and they say,
[17:36.480 --> 17:39.360]  if you cut the interest rates that were allowed to charge poor people
[17:39.360 --> 17:42.400]  who can't pay off their balance, that would hurt the poor people.
[17:43.120 --> 17:44.480]  That would restrict their credit.
[17:44.480 --> 17:47.120]  It's like, how does that hurt the poor people
[17:47.120 --> 17:52.720]  if they're not allowed to go into debt to you for 20 to 30 percent a year?
[17:54.160 --> 17:55.760]  Oh, and of course it would hurt us as well.
[17:56.320 --> 17:58.880]  But yeah, it would hurt you, but it would not hurt the poor people.
[17:58.880 --> 18:01.520]  That's almost like saying, sorry, you're not going to be able
[18:01.520 --> 18:05.520]  to drink your paycheck or pour it into the casino slot machine.
[18:05.520 --> 18:06.880]  You know, we're going to prohibit that.
[18:06.880 --> 18:12.080]  But it truly is exploitive and has been there for a long time.
[18:12.080 --> 18:16.000]  And so what I thought was interesting was that Trump's got,
[18:16.000 --> 18:21.440]  first of all, Scott Besant was confronted at one of these economic clubs
[18:22.480 --> 18:25.280]  about that and said, you're starting to sound like Elizabeth Warren.
[18:25.920 --> 18:28.320]  And then Trump called Elizabeth Warren.
[18:28.400 --> 18:34.080]  So on economic issues, Trump is Elizabeth Warren.
[18:34.080 --> 18:37.280]  On issues of war and peace, we've got Lindsey Graham.
[18:37.280 --> 18:40.400]  That's kind of where his advisors are, right?
[18:41.200 --> 18:44.240]  We're supposed to believe that he's the peace president and he's a Republican,
[18:44.240 --> 18:47.040]  and yet he's looking at Elizabeth Warren and Lindsey Graham.
[18:47.040 --> 18:48.240]  They are his influences.
[18:48.240 --> 18:52.240]  But when you talk about paper silver, paper gold,
[18:52.240 --> 18:55.440]  we're talking about stuff on the Shanghai Stock Gold Exchange,
[18:55.440 --> 18:59.440]  which is SLV for silver and GLD for gold.
[18:59.440 --> 19:02.640]  This has been the way that a lot of people who are typically in the stock market would
[19:02.640 --> 19:05.200]  just move things over into silver or gold.
[19:05.200 --> 19:11.200]  But I noticed what you talked about was something that was far more broken than what I saw.
[19:11.200 --> 19:17.440]  I just saw, I guess back in 2018 or 19, I saw that when gold was moving,
[19:18.400 --> 19:22.320]  the paper gold was going in a different direction or staying still.
[19:22.320 --> 19:24.560]  You know, it wasn't tied to the spot market.
[19:24.560 --> 19:25.920]  I thought, why is that?
[19:25.920 --> 19:29.120]  And I started looking into it, and then I realized I wasn't really getting
[19:29.120 --> 19:33.440]  gold when I bought paper gold, when I bought GLD or whatever.
[19:33.440 --> 19:34.480]  And that's really the issue.
[19:34.480 --> 19:38.640]  And I think it's something that we need to be concerned about,
[19:39.200 --> 19:46.480]  as you see Tether going in and saying they're going to tokenize gold into their stable coins.
[19:47.760 --> 19:49.840]  It's not clear how that's going to work out.
[19:49.840 --> 19:53.200]  I mean, who audits that to see if they've really got the gold there?
[19:53.200 --> 19:56.480]  That's the issue with the Shanghai Gold Exchange and Silver Exchange.
[19:56.480 --> 19:58.320]  Do they really have the gold and silver?
[19:58.320 --> 20:01.840]  Or are they saying that they've got it and then trading paper contracts for it?
[20:02.880 --> 20:05.840]  It may not be tokenized because it's not on the blockchain,
[20:05.840 --> 20:11.440]  but it is still securitized just like the phony mortgages in 2008, right?
[20:12.960 --> 20:13.440]  That's right.
[20:13.440 --> 20:16.960]  And the beautiful thing that happened in 1974,
[20:16.960 --> 20:21.200]  we were, because of Gerald Ford taking over after Nixon resigned,
[20:22.000 --> 20:24.160]  we got the ability to own gold again.
[20:24.160 --> 20:28.720]  It was legal after FDR from 1933 to 1974.
[20:28.720 --> 20:31.200]  It was FDR that made it illegal for you to own gold.
[20:32.400 --> 20:36.880]  I remember listening to Robert Kiyosaki who's coming back from Vietnam as a Marine,
[20:36.880 --> 20:42.160]  and he'd smuggled in a Krugerrand that he bought just after we went off the gold standard.
[20:42.720 --> 20:46.640]  But you mentioned something earlier that I think,
[20:46.640 --> 20:50.240]  and this is why I brought that up, that we can own gold
[20:50.240 --> 20:53.920]  and they may be making a play on that eventually.
[20:53.920 --> 20:55.360]  We have to be vigilant on that.
[20:55.360 --> 20:58.480]  I mean, I think you mentioned Tether and some of these stable coins
[20:58.480 --> 20:59.680]  and how do they back this up?
[20:59.680 --> 21:02.480]  And people ask me about gold standards and all the rest,
[21:02.480 --> 21:03.840]  but we already really have one.
[21:04.480 --> 21:05.600]  And that's because we're outside.
[21:05.600 --> 21:10.240]  When you and I have a gold or silver coin or an ounce of bullion or a bar,
[21:10.240 --> 21:12.880]  and it's recognizable, we're outside of the system.
[21:12.880 --> 21:14.080]  We're our own bank.
[21:14.080 --> 21:15.280]  Same thing with Bitcoin.
[21:15.840 --> 21:18.160]  Millions of Americans are unbankable.
[21:18.160 --> 21:21.040]  And you have these predatory institutions that you mentioned,
[21:21.040 --> 21:23.280]  and they're all fruit of the poisonous tree.
[21:23.280 --> 21:27.360]  We got this financial system that we have post-1971.
[21:27.360 --> 21:29.600]  When all bets are off, when you have a fake currency,
[21:29.600 --> 21:34.880]  it tends to create these type of entities that prey on the lower economic strata.
[21:34.880 --> 21:36.560]  You just can't get out of that cycle.
[21:37.920 --> 21:39.360]  It hasn't been that long ago.
[21:39.360 --> 21:40.960]  I had to use some of those things.
[21:40.960 --> 21:45.440]  When I was between ventures and stuff, I had to get small loans,
[21:45.440 --> 21:47.040]  weekly loans, stuff like that.
[21:47.040 --> 21:48.640]  And it hasn't been that long ago.
[21:51.600 --> 21:55.360]  The reality I live in today is a lot different than it was 10 years ago.
[21:56.960 --> 21:58.160]  So I had to use some of those things,
[21:58.160 --> 21:59.760]  and they're awful and they're hard to get out of.
[22:00.800 --> 22:02.800]  So they keep those people in a cycle.
[22:02.800 --> 22:03.360]  It is a trap.
[22:03.360 --> 22:06.880]  It's just the same thing that Trump says, a one-year moratorium on this.
[22:06.880 --> 22:08.880]  Well, you see that kind of stuff all the time.
[22:09.760 --> 22:11.920]  Move your credit card balance over to everything.
[22:11.920 --> 22:13.600]  You won't pay any interest for a year or whatever.
[22:13.600 --> 22:16.320]  Then it shoots up higher than where you are right now.
[22:17.040 --> 22:20.640]  And so that kind of stuff, what Trump is proposing
[22:20.640 --> 22:24.320]  is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
[22:24.320 --> 22:28.240]  And it's not something that's going to work out for the benefit of consumers,
[22:28.240 --> 22:33.120]  just like his 50-year home mortgage is going to work out for the benefit of consumers.
[22:33.120 --> 22:35.520]  That would be a horrible thing to get involved in.
[22:37.520 --> 22:38.240]  Price controls.
[22:39.440 --> 22:41.040]  We know that price controls don't work.
[22:41.040 --> 22:43.920]  This is the 70s all over again, but just worse.
[22:43.920 --> 22:48.480]  I mean, just on every scale, the corruption, the amount of bureaucracy,
[22:48.480 --> 22:51.680]  everything in between is amplified.
[22:54.800 --> 23:00.320]  A true prosperity would cure a lot of these ills, and a real free market would cure a lot.
[23:00.320 --> 23:01.680]  But this is crony capitalism.
[23:01.680 --> 23:03.520]  This is what happens when all these things,
[23:03.520 --> 23:08.080]  these entities that are tied to the central bank and everybody waiting for unbated breath,
[23:08.080 --> 23:10.480]  and what the Fed's going to do with interest rates,
[23:10.480 --> 23:14.400]  instead of just worrying about economic outcomes and building infrastructure,
[23:14.400 --> 23:16.960]  economic infrastructure, all the stuff that should be going on.
[23:18.320 --> 23:21.920]  That's why the new $100 bill went out on Silver Eagle.
[23:21.920 --> 23:25.040]  My friend Charlie Robinson sent me an email yesterday.
[23:25.040 --> 23:26.160]  I thought that's about right.
[23:26.160 --> 23:26.720]  That's good.
[23:26.720 --> 23:27.280]  I like that.
[23:30.480 --> 23:32.880]  Everything that Trump is doing is a gimmick.
[23:34.800 --> 23:36.240]  Affordability is the big issue.
[23:37.040 --> 23:40.880]  That is the elephant in the room as far as these elections are going.
[23:40.880 --> 23:45.040]  And 92% of people who have jobs, we're not talking about people who are unemployed,
[23:45.040 --> 23:49.360]  92% of people who have jobs said that they're struggling, according to a recent poll.
[23:49.360 --> 23:52.400]  So when you look at affordability, and Trump comes in,
[23:52.400 --> 23:57.520]  he wants to play some financial games to help you to get a house, he says.
[23:57.520 --> 24:02.320]  But if inflation is eating into people and taxes and
[24:03.120 --> 24:08.000]  all these different predatory things that we've got in terms of mandated insurance and this and that,
[24:08.000 --> 24:09.360]  all of that is there.
[24:09.360 --> 24:13.520]  And all the government regulations that are raising the price of things and
[24:13.520 --> 24:18.400]  killing industry and killing manufacturing, we look at all those regulations, if those are there,
[24:19.360 --> 24:22.960]  and the society is fundamentally sick and getting poorer,
[24:23.600 --> 24:26.880]  there isn't any kind of financial game that you're going to play that's going to help anybody.
[24:26.880 --> 24:31.600]  I mean, it's just something that kind of a sugar high that he's hoping people won't realize
[24:31.600 --> 24:33.120]  until after they voted for it.
[24:33.760 --> 24:36.320]  I saw this article, Tony, I thought this was interesting.
[24:36.320 --> 24:42.560]  Egyptian army holds billions in secret cash as the country misses a debt deadline.
[24:42.560 --> 24:46.720]  And so, you know, they've got all this money in the Egyptian army and the Egyptian government says,
[24:46.720 --> 24:49.600]  wait a minute, we got to make a debt payment to the IMF.
[24:49.600 --> 24:51.520]  And they said, well, we're not telling you where the money is.
[24:52.800 --> 24:56.960]  You know, all the money that Trump is funneling over to the Pentagon,
[24:56.960 --> 25:03.120]  and he loves to brag about his tax increase as if, you know, people fill in the blank and they
[25:03.120 --> 25:06.960]  think, well, he's going to use this tariff revenue to get rid of the income tax.
[25:06.960 --> 25:08.000]  No, that's not going to happen.
[25:08.000 --> 25:09.520]  He's going to use it to pay down the debt.
[25:09.520 --> 25:11.120]  No, that's not going to happen.
[25:11.120 --> 25:13.280]  He says, I'll give it back to you as a check.
[25:13.280 --> 25:14.480]  That's not going to happen either.
[25:15.200 --> 25:19.600]  He's talking about, let's increase the new record defense budget.
[25:19.600 --> 25:21.680]  We just went over a trillion dollars for the first time.
[25:21.680 --> 25:23.360]  Let's make it one and a half trillion.
[25:23.360 --> 25:23.600]  Yeah.
[25:23.600 --> 25:25.440]  So we are flush with cash now.
[25:26.320 --> 25:26.960]  It's amazing.
[25:26.960 --> 25:31.520]  But when you watch him, you can start to see the lines of how this guy
[25:31.520 --> 25:33.520]  bankrupted six casinos, can't you?
[25:35.200 --> 25:38.160]  Well, it has the hallmark of everything that is short-term.
[25:38.160 --> 25:38.480]  Yeah.
[25:38.480 --> 25:39.920]  Everything is short.
[25:39.920 --> 25:43.760]  This isn't long-term planning, again, not building financial infrastructure,
[25:43.760 --> 25:46.320]  not incentivizing the free market.
[25:46.320 --> 25:47.600]  We're not doing any of that.
[25:47.600 --> 25:49.120]  This is crony capitalism.
[25:49.120 --> 25:51.760]  And you see the breakdown of institutions.
[25:51.840 --> 25:56.000]  You just mentioned the Egyptian army and the hoarding of cash.
[25:57.520 --> 26:03.440]  By the way, keeping it from the IMF, which was born out of Bretton Woods in 1944.
[26:03.440 --> 26:07.040]  This was the old economic world order that is coming to an end.
[26:07.040 --> 26:10.560]  There's the new institutions are being born, new factions being born.
[26:10.560 --> 26:11.840]  That's a key indicator.
[26:12.480 --> 26:13.440]  It's Bretzky.
[26:13.440 --> 26:15.760]  I don't know how they let me on this podcast, but while I'm here,
[26:15.760 --> 26:19.360]  I might as well tell you the only place to play blackjack, roulette,
[26:19.360 --> 26:22.800]  and live craps in Texas is spinquest.com, baby.
[26:22.800 --> 26:26.400]  That's S-P-I-N-Q-U-E-S-T dot com.
[26:26.400 --> 26:30.400]  New users get a $30 coin package for only $10.
[26:30.400 --> 26:35.680]  I mean, that's a hell of a deal for all you 10 gallon hatwares down there in Texas.
[26:49.360 --> 27:19.120]  Especially since we, you know, we went off the petro dollar, I mean, it wasn't an official thing.
[27:19.120 --> 27:20.640]  We just lost it, right?
[27:20.640 --> 27:24.720]  In 2024, that agreement pretty much lapsed and people have been asking me,
[27:25.200 --> 27:27.920]  is Venezuela about repropping up the petro dollar?
[27:27.920 --> 27:30.240]  I'm like, no, I don't think that it is.
[27:30.240 --> 27:32.560]  We're going in a completely different direction,
[27:32.560 --> 27:34.320]  and maybe they don't even know where they're going.
[27:34.320 --> 27:37.520]  But it's the, you know, the digital currency, certainly on the rise,
[27:37.520 --> 27:39.840]  the off ramps from the stable coins and all that.
[27:39.840 --> 27:43.760]  We can, we could, we'll be talking about that in the months and years to come.
[27:44.480 --> 27:48.880]  No, that's institutional breakdown is what you're watching with the Egyptian issue.
[27:49.200 --> 27:51.440]  And I think that's going to start happening more and more.
[27:52.240 --> 27:55.520]  We're, you know, the hoarding of cash, the hoarding of commodities,
[27:56.560 --> 27:59.280]  because the bracing for impact, what comes next?
[27:59.280 --> 28:02.480]  We don't have trust and the trust is diminishing.
[28:02.480 --> 28:08.480]  And we, trusting us as far as, you know, the being the world's reserve currency in this,
[28:08.480 --> 28:12.720]  you know, the stable country that we were perceived to be is,
[28:13.920 --> 28:15.280]  it's completely off the table.
[28:15.760 --> 28:18.640]  Everything is coming unraveled because we're here at the end of this fourth turning.
[28:18.640 --> 28:20.400]  And she saw a clip.
[28:20.400 --> 28:21.760]  I can't remember the woman's name.
[28:21.760 --> 28:24.560]  We've seen her on this Ukraine thing several times.
[28:24.560 --> 28:28.160]  She's notable because she's one of the youngest people in terms of leadership.
[28:28.160 --> 28:32.400]  I mean, we have this gerontocracy now, you know, ruled by really old people.
[28:32.400 --> 28:34.160]  She's in like her thirties, I think.
[28:34.160 --> 28:39.280]  And she came out and said she's been the spokesperson for the EU
[28:39.280 --> 28:41.360]  in terms of Ukraine and things like that.
[28:41.360 --> 28:44.560]  She came out, she said, well, I think when we look at what's going on,
[28:44.560 --> 28:45.760]  we just need to have a drink.
[28:48.720 --> 28:50.480]  This is her remedy.
[28:50.480 --> 28:50.960]  So bad.
[28:50.960 --> 28:54.640]  I think the only way we can cope with this is just to get drunk and drop out of reality.
[28:55.200 --> 28:57.280]  And I think that's a harbinger of what's coming.
[28:57.280 --> 29:02.080]  Don't you think that's that about sums it up when they when they've reached,
[29:02.080 --> 29:05.280]  they've run out of, you know, run out of tools,
[29:05.280 --> 29:07.440]  whatever's in their tool bag they've run out of.
[29:07.440 --> 29:11.040]  And, you know, I think you'll see that for a lot more.
[29:11.040 --> 29:12.240]  We're just people just shrug.
[29:12.880 --> 29:16.160]  That's what we don't talk about the elephant in the room.
[29:16.160 --> 29:18.400]  We don't talk about the debt anymore.
[29:18.400 --> 29:19.200]  Nobody really talk.
[29:19.200 --> 29:21.280]  You get like one kind of Thomas Massey.
[29:22.560 --> 29:25.040]  We'll talk about it, but you don't get this is not even
[29:25.760 --> 29:28.000]  talked about by the so-called conservative movement.
[29:28.000 --> 29:30.000]  I think that you covered that well this week.
[29:30.000 --> 29:31.680]  Conservatism is dead.
[29:31.680 --> 29:33.680]  It is modern conservatism.
[29:33.680 --> 29:36.000]  This isn't this isn't Russell Kirk.
[29:36.000 --> 29:37.760]  This isn't Pat Buchanan.
[29:37.760 --> 29:39.120]  This isn't any of those.
[29:39.120 --> 29:41.520]  There's no intellectual heft behind any of this.
[29:41.520 --> 29:46.160]  This is group think cultish behavior and parroting,
[29:46.160 --> 29:50.080]  you know, headlines and things that are void of any sort of thought.
[29:50.080 --> 29:53.360]  And it's really sad to watch because that's the camp that I came out of.
[29:53.360 --> 29:58.800]  You know, I mean, I'm more of a traditional Edmund Burke or something type of.
[29:58.800 --> 30:02.000]  Yeah, no, it's not any principles are just trying to conserve the status quo.
[30:02.000 --> 30:07.280]  The status quo is given to us by the liberals who seek to destroy us economically.
[30:07.280 --> 30:09.680]  And in terms of liberty and the rest of this stuff.
[30:09.680 --> 30:14.400]  But you've talked so much about the massive debt that we have
[30:14.400 --> 30:15.760]  that all these different countries have.
[30:15.760 --> 30:17.360]  I mean, it's just a sea of debt.
[30:18.000 --> 30:20.240]  And so it's kind of interesting.
[30:20.240 --> 30:23.920]  Van Eck, and this is an article off of Kitco.
[30:23.920 --> 30:28.320]  Van Eck analysts looked at this and said, well, you know, let's take a look.
[30:28.320 --> 30:31.360]  You know, what if we were to go back to gold as a standard?
[30:31.360 --> 30:33.120]  What would be the price of gold?
[30:33.120 --> 30:37.040]  So if gold were to back M zero, that is the base money,
[30:37.760 --> 30:41.760]  it would need to trade at thirty nine thousand dollars per ounce.
[30:41.760 --> 30:45.120]  If gold were to back M2, which is broad money.
[30:45.120 --> 30:47.120]  And in terms of that, we're talking about, you know,
[30:48.080 --> 30:53.440]  M2 is things like including savings deposits, money market funds and things like that.
[30:53.440 --> 30:58.240]  M zero is really just kind of cash that is issued by the government.
[30:58.240 --> 31:02.640]  So if it were to go to broad money M2, it would need to trade at one hundred eighty
[31:02.640 --> 31:04.240]  four thousand dollars per ounce.
[31:05.120 --> 31:11.840]  The price of gold in order to cover the outstanding debt that these people have put together,
[31:11.840 --> 31:16.160]  the money liabilities in a scenario where the only thing you got left is gold.
[31:16.160 --> 31:18.560]  And of course, the central banks have been accumulating gold
[31:18.560 --> 31:20.800]  as if it was going to be the only thing that was left.
[31:20.800 --> 31:25.920]  It's going to be what they have in terms of making a case for their legitimacy
[31:25.920 --> 31:28.560]  or making a case for their new financial system.
[31:28.560 --> 31:29.520]  They're going to need to have gold.
[31:29.520 --> 31:31.600]  That's why they're all racing to get it.
[31:31.600 --> 31:37.200]  And this massive debt that we have, just a sovereign debt in all these different countries,
[31:37.200 --> 31:40.720]  not even including the consumer debt that is there.
[31:42.000 --> 31:42.880]  It's truly amazing.
[31:44.320 --> 31:45.520]  It really reminds me.
[31:45.520 --> 31:49.760]  And I know people have done a lot of these in the analysis on what would it look like?
[31:49.760 --> 31:50.960]  We go back to a gold standard.
[31:52.320 --> 31:56.400]  When I first went on the air and I was on conservative talk radio in Dallas,
[31:57.040 --> 32:02.480]  there was a host there that argued that we couldn't go back to a gold standard.
[32:02.480 --> 32:03.600]  There's not enough gold.
[32:04.320 --> 32:06.160]  And I thought, well, no, no, no.
[32:06.160 --> 32:07.360]  I'm like, you got it backwards.
[32:08.320 --> 32:09.440]  Of course there's enough gold.
[32:10.800 --> 32:12.720]  But they were saying, we have trillions of dollars.
[32:12.720 --> 32:15.040]  You couldn't make that into gold.
[32:15.040 --> 32:19.200]  And I thought, well, I guess that's modern conservative think.
[32:20.960 --> 32:22.640]  Infinite prints and other things.
[32:22.720 --> 32:28.880]  No, you'd have to be, if you have a limited supply of money, which is the way that you're
[32:28.880 --> 32:34.160]  supposed to have it with sound money, you have a limited supply, which makes it valuable.
[32:34.160 --> 32:39.600]  You have to be fiscally responsible, which means you have to have some measure of sanity.
[32:39.600 --> 32:44.000]  You can't just do anything you want and build anything you want and bomb anything you want.
[32:44.000 --> 32:45.040]  You have to have.
[32:45.040 --> 32:50.240]  So, at the root of everything that's falling apart for us is fake money.
[32:50.880 --> 32:54.160]  Because you can just paper over everything until you can't.
[32:54.160 --> 32:57.360]  And I think that's why we're reaching end game where the institutions are
[32:57.920 --> 33:00.240]  coming apart and trust is completely diminished.
[33:00.240 --> 33:04.720]  The amount of corruption that we see is unprecedented.
[33:04.720 --> 33:09.360]  All this stuff that is systemic in everything we do, but it's worldwide, folks.
[33:09.360 --> 33:10.160]  It's global.
[33:10.160 --> 33:11.920]  It's not just here in the US.
[33:11.920 --> 33:15.520]  All these central banks, it's a sad reality watch.
[33:15.600 --> 33:20.240]  And for them to, I mean, people will float this idea about gold standard.
[33:20.240 --> 33:21.680]  Well, we already have one.
[33:21.680 --> 33:26.880]  It's ourselves and these governments are, you don't want the government involved
[33:27.520 --> 33:31.840]  with your gold, in my opinion, because look at what happened in 1933.
[33:31.840 --> 33:32.340]  That's right.
[33:33.200 --> 33:34.480]  I like the free market.
[33:34.480 --> 33:35.600]  Let the free market decide.
[33:35.600 --> 33:37.040]  You can have your fiat currencies.
[33:37.040 --> 33:42.640]  I mean, I would love it if we had a consensus in this country about fiscal responsibility
[33:42.640 --> 33:45.360]  and the evils of central banking and all the rest of that.
[33:45.360 --> 33:46.960]  But we're not anywhere near there.
[33:46.960 --> 33:50.720]  And if they just take that and then they make it into a gold standard, it's not good for us.
[33:50.720 --> 33:54.400]  Yeah, your gold might go up and you're told to sell it or whatever it is.
[33:54.400 --> 33:57.760]  I just don't, I don't subscribe to that.
[33:57.760 --> 33:58.480]  Yeah, that's right.
[33:58.480 --> 33:59.280]  To that theory.
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[35:02.880 --> 35:05.760]  Hatchcar61 said, excellent that Tony's back.
[35:05.760 --> 35:09.600]  Can you please ask him why Wolfpack packages are taking longer to be delivered?
[35:11.920 --> 35:13.680]  Well, that's something on it.
[35:13.760 --> 35:18.480]  Well, my crew, and by the way, I have just great people.
[35:18.480 --> 35:21.040]  And I look around sometimes like, how did all these people show up?
[35:22.080 --> 35:26.080]  I have wonderful people and we ship everything out of Missouri.
[35:26.080 --> 35:31.600]  It has been a really efficient last 30 days.
[35:31.600 --> 35:33.360]  I know my crew's doing a great job.
[35:33.360 --> 35:39.120]  I think the mail is something that if you're going USPS, some packages do, or UPS.
[35:40.400 --> 35:41.600]  That's an interesting question.
[35:41.600 --> 35:42.800]  You can always mail into the crew.
[35:42.800 --> 35:45.440]  I want to check your tracking number.
[35:45.440 --> 35:48.320]  Most of the time, we're in real time.
[35:48.320 --> 35:53.360]  Like if your card gets charged, like on a Monday, most of the time, like on a Wednesday,
[35:53.360 --> 35:54.800]  you've already got a tracking number.
[35:55.680 --> 35:56.560]  So I don't know.
[35:56.560 --> 35:56.960]  I'd have to look at that.
[35:56.960 --> 35:59.120]  Well, I know things are changing in terms of shipping.
[35:59.120 --> 36:04.160]  We've used a service called Sendal and they just kicked us off.
[36:04.160 --> 36:05.520]  Karen is saying, what is going on?
[36:05.520 --> 36:06.240]  Did they go out of business?
[36:06.240 --> 36:07.520]  No, they didn't go out of business.
[36:08.160 --> 36:11.120]  And she's asking them questions and they won't respond to her.
[36:11.120 --> 36:15.280]  And it's like, I don't know, we've been debanked in the past.
[36:15.280 --> 36:16.480]  We now have been deshipped.
[36:16.480 --> 36:17.840]  I don't know what's going on with it.
[36:17.840 --> 36:21.360]  But we can still take stuff down to the post office and put it through.
[36:21.360 --> 36:23.280]  But there's some crazy things going on.
[36:23.280 --> 36:27.200]  And Amazon has just said they're not going to use the postal system anymore.
[36:27.200 --> 36:30.720]  So that's going to be a big hit for the postal system, just like it was
[36:30.720 --> 36:34.080]  for UPS when they didn't have that business.
[36:34.080 --> 36:38.160]  And so there's a lot of things that are happening right now on the shipping side of it as well.
[36:38.720 --> 36:39.440]  It really is.
[36:40.240 --> 36:41.840]  But I think it's all things, David.
[36:42.720 --> 36:46.160]  So many companies that I used to rely on for service and other things,
[36:46.160 --> 36:49.360]  I just don't get that same competency.
[36:50.720 --> 36:54.720]  And I ask other entrepreneurs and other people and they say, no, this is real.
[36:56.400 --> 36:57.760]  You're not going insane.
[36:57.760 --> 36:59.280]  It's just not the same.
[36:59.280 --> 37:02.880]  And, you know, even UPS, we have issues.
[37:04.080 --> 37:06.800]  It's funny because the girls who run my
[37:07.760 --> 37:12.160]  Branson shop, who do all the packing, they're used to run a UPS store.
[37:12.160 --> 37:16.640]  And I asked her, I said, so when we put in a claim with UPS, have we ever gotten the
[37:16.640 --> 37:17.280]  package back?
[37:17.280 --> 37:20.480]  Because when we lose a package for Wolfpack, I just replace it.
[37:20.480 --> 37:21.760]  So I just eat it.
[37:21.760 --> 37:23.040]  Like, I don't ever get it back.
[37:24.000 --> 37:24.960]  And so it's funny.
[37:24.960 --> 37:27.040]  I'm like, have we ever gotten one back on a claim?
[37:28.160 --> 37:28.720]  She said, no.
[37:28.720 --> 37:30.640]  I'm like, so we just put it in just for the record.
[37:32.320 --> 37:33.520]  We never get that back.
[37:33.600 --> 37:37.440]  And used to they would, there would be a lot more of an investigation process.
[37:37.440 --> 37:40.480]  And now I just think that's, that's everywhere.
[37:40.480 --> 37:45.040]  So at least wise Wolf, we've still got, you can get a whole people call all the time.
[37:45.040 --> 37:47.680]  And I answered the phone and why wouldn't I?
[37:47.680 --> 37:50.240]  I mean, it's kind of like what you're talking about.
[37:50.240 --> 37:51.280]  We've seen this everywhere.
[37:51.280 --> 37:53.600]  It's a Cory Doctorow, the science fiction writer.
[37:53.600 --> 37:56.960]  It's kind of a rude term, but he calls it and shitification.
[37:56.960 --> 37:58.960]  That's really what's happening to everything.
[37:58.960 --> 38:02.960]  It's not just a software stuff and not just things online, but it's just everything.
[38:03.760 --> 38:07.680]  Things have gotten so complicated that nothing is working anymore.
[38:07.680 --> 38:12.080]  Like it seems like AP rumble seat says, I'd like to, I would trust Tony,
[38:12.080 --> 38:15.600]  but can you talk about flexibility to sell if you might need to?
[38:16.240 --> 38:18.160]  Is that at all viable?
[38:18.160 --> 38:20.800]  I don't know much about metal investments.
[38:20.800 --> 38:25.120]  He says, I mean, we're, we're buying.
[38:25.120 --> 38:27.040]  I don't think this is a great time to sell.
[38:27.680 --> 38:31.200]  I mean, honestly, because you're not, you need to wait for things to stabilize.
[38:32.080 --> 38:35.520]  Because of the whip sawing, that's gone back and forth.
[38:35.520 --> 38:41.440]  My buying rates, you know, I'm at 85% of spot on anything over an ounce of silver.
[38:41.440 --> 38:43.680]  And people that, why would you be that way?
[38:43.680 --> 38:45.760]  It's because of the, there's no end buyers.
[38:47.120 --> 38:50.400]  And David, I won't name the institutions.
[38:50.400 --> 38:56.080]  I'm three weeks from getting paid for a very, very large orders that have been with wholesalers.
[38:56.080 --> 38:57.440]  Three weeks.
[38:57.440 --> 38:58.720]  That means that I had to take it out.
[38:58.720 --> 39:00.000]  People sold me stuff.
[39:00.000 --> 39:01.520]  I sold it to the trading floor.
[39:01.520 --> 39:02.640]  Trading floor hasn't paid me.
[39:03.280 --> 39:07.760]  And that's because they're backed up and, you know, this bottleneck everywhere.
[39:07.760 --> 39:12.880]  So I've had to make tough decisions on, you know, what I'm actually percentages I'm buying for.
[39:12.880 --> 39:16.400]  But now if you're a Wolfpack member of your David Knight listener, just call me.
[39:16.400 --> 39:20.560]  We can do something a little bit different, but the majority of times for like physical
[39:20.560 --> 39:24.000]  walk-in shops and by the way, it hasn't slowed much down.
[39:24.640 --> 39:27.840]  I mean, I just, I just may able to, I have a little bit more flexibility.
[39:27.840 --> 39:33.200]  I have to go sell stuff to the refiners or whatever, but you know, we don't have in this
[39:33.200 --> 39:38.720]  market and what's funny is do you see rising prices, but limited retail buyers.
[39:39.520 --> 39:42.400]  And the reason this is because institutions are buying folks.
[39:42.400 --> 39:42.720]  Yeah.
[39:42.720 --> 39:44.000]  Institutions.
[39:44.000 --> 39:44.560]  That's right.
[39:44.560 --> 39:46.480]  And that's not, it's not, and there's an article.
[39:46.480 --> 39:47.600]  We had that last year.
[39:47.600 --> 39:50.560]  I remember that, that video, we talked about it at that point in time.
[39:50.560 --> 39:53.920]  There was a, a silver show, you know, like a golden silver show.
[39:54.000 --> 39:58.320]  I have gun shows and things and, and this guy goes around and he talks to all the different
[39:58.320 --> 40:04.720]  dealers and I said, yeah, you know, silver, everybody wants to sell silver, but you know,
[40:04.720 --> 40:08.560]  the institutional buyers are getting everything and the price is going up and they're just,
[40:08.560 --> 40:13.520]  you know, the, the people off the street are coming in and they're not buying silver,
[40:13.520 --> 40:15.600]  but it's, it's all institutional in terms of buying.
[40:15.600 --> 40:16.560]  It's institutional.
[40:16.560 --> 40:17.120]  Yeah.
[40:17.120 --> 40:19.680]  Maybe they know something and maybe, well, the other thing,
[40:19.680 --> 40:25.120]  you know, and I think it's institutional, but more importantly, more than market forces.
[40:25.120 --> 40:26.320]  I think it's governmental.
[40:26.320 --> 40:26.960]  Yeah.
[40:26.960 --> 40:27.760]  Yeah.
[40:27.760 --> 40:30.800]  Well, and it's the chaos and volatility that we see everywhere.
[40:30.800 --> 40:34.160]  And, you know, it's not just the terrorists that have created that kind of an issue.
[40:34.960 --> 40:38.160]  It is something that's happening through every type of business.
[40:38.160 --> 40:41.120]  Wally Walrus says gold got Gaddafi killed.
[40:42.080 --> 40:43.360]  Yeah, it did.
[40:43.360 --> 40:44.160]  That's absolutely right.
[40:44.160 --> 40:48.960]  We got the emails from Hillary Clinton talking about that and, you know, how they can't have
[40:48.960 --> 40:55.280]  him set up another standard in competition to the kind of fiat system that they had in Europe.
[40:55.280 --> 40:56.320]  The banks don't want that.
[40:56.320 --> 40:58.000]  So yeah, that was peak fiat.
[40:58.000 --> 41:01.920]  You know, that was peak fiat was with, with Gaddafi and what happened.
[41:01.920 --> 41:07.280]  He wanted to do a African back gold back currency there, you know?
[41:07.280 --> 41:11.440]  And the interesting is the Hunt family used to own the oil rights in Libya.
[41:11.440 --> 41:15.040]  And then there was that, you know, coup d'etat and the revolution.
[41:15.040 --> 41:15.520]  He got it.
[41:16.000 --> 41:18.640]  Gaddafi, you know, never, never graduated.
[41:18.640 --> 41:19.440]  I mean, a Colonel.
[41:20.240 --> 41:22.640]  The Hunts were right there at the epicenter of a lot of things, weren't they?
[41:22.640 --> 41:24.640]  They were the epicenter of that too.
[41:24.640 --> 41:25.600]  We have a speak fiat.
[41:25.600 --> 41:30.880]  If you go back to 2009, interesting metric, you know, after the great financial crisis,
[41:32.800 --> 41:35.920]  central bank buying of gold was almost at zero.
[41:36.880 --> 41:38.720]  And they, they would just relied on the dollar.
[41:38.720 --> 41:40.320]  I mean, market holdings were dollars.
[41:41.280 --> 41:44.640]  The world transacted in dollars and that's the way it was until that.
[41:44.640 --> 41:49.440]  And that was a watershed moment and central bank started buying gold and now everything
[41:50.000 --> 41:53.440]  is just a race, not only for gold, but I think, you know, minerals,
[41:55.040 --> 41:58.160]  you know, silver, copper, all these other things that are going on,
[41:58.160 --> 42:03.760]  things that make the, that actually society runs off of and away from the fiat system.
[42:03.760 --> 42:04.880]  They know what's going on.
[42:04.880 --> 42:06.560]  And that's the central banks are there.
[42:07.360 --> 42:10.720]  The institutions are signaling to you folks what the future is.
[42:10.720 --> 42:11.760]  Yeah, that's right.
[42:11.760 --> 42:12.720]  Absolutely.
[42:12.720 --> 42:18.240]  Well, gold in terms of the, you know, things that we have any control over is one of the
[42:18.240 --> 42:25.280]  few things that we can do, I think, to actually try to move against this tide of chaos, you know,
[42:25.280 --> 42:28.480]  is the one thing that has basically retained its value.
[42:29.520 --> 42:35.600]  And again, we look to God for our real provision, but in terms of things that we
[42:35.600 --> 42:39.840]  have control over that we should do something about, that is one of the few things that we
[42:39.840 --> 42:46.000]  can do to kind of guard against and hedge against this kind of chaos and volatility
[42:46.000 --> 42:48.080]  that is deliberate as being put out there.
[42:48.080 --> 42:49.200]  It's not just stupidity.
[42:49.200 --> 42:51.360]  It is deliberate what is being done out there.
[42:52.000 --> 42:53.760]  And so I really do appreciate what you do.
[42:53.760 --> 42:59.280]  Tony worked with you for many years and what you do is you provide a way for people to
[42:59.840 --> 43:03.360]  get into that on a small, regular basis with Wolfpack.
[43:03.360 --> 43:05.120]  That is a really important thing.
[43:05.120 --> 43:09.040]  Of course, you can handle large transactions one way or the other,
[43:09.040 --> 43:13.120]  but the idea that people can save gradually and you make that service available,
[43:13.120 --> 43:17.680]  that is really a valuable service for people to be able to gradually save into that,
[43:17.680 --> 43:20.480]  whatever they can put aside for the rainy day.
[43:20.480 --> 43:22.560]  Because folks, there's a storm on the way.
[43:22.560 --> 43:23.440]  Big storm.
[43:23.440 --> 43:24.720]  They like to talk about that.
[43:25.440 --> 43:28.080]  We've still got some time to dollar cost averages.
[43:29.520 --> 43:34.800]  Somebody emailed me yesterday and said that they'll come back to Wolfpack when prices go down.
[43:34.800 --> 43:36.000]  I thought, I don't know.
[43:36.800 --> 43:39.440]  It reminded me of that meme of the skeleton sitting at the computer.
[43:44.480 --> 43:46.560]  I don't know when prices are going to come down.
[43:48.720 --> 43:53.920]  I don't know how you do your job because I don't know when it's this volatile.
[43:53.920 --> 43:56.480]  How do you understand where things are going?
[43:56.480 --> 43:57.920]  It's got to really be difficult.
[43:59.040 --> 44:00.080]  I got a good team.
[44:00.080 --> 44:04.240]  I have a good team and we did a lot of planning for this.
[44:04.240 --> 44:09.200]  I think it accelerated and went past so I wasn't fully prepared.
[44:09.200 --> 44:12.000]  That's why I had to take December and part of January off.
[44:12.000 --> 44:12.640]  It's just been...
[44:13.440 --> 44:14.400]  Well, that's what we talk about.
[44:16.000 --> 44:20.960]  We talk about hyperinflation and how prices are constantly changing in Germany or Zimbabwe
[44:20.960 --> 44:21.440]  or whatever.
[44:23.520 --> 44:25.440]  It's just total chaos like that.
[44:25.440 --> 44:29.280]  And yet, what you're living with, things are changing so quickly in gold and silver.
[44:29.280 --> 44:32.400]  It's like having to do business in a hyperinflation environment.
[44:32.960 --> 44:33.200]  Yes.
[44:33.200 --> 44:34.240]  That's what you're looking at.
[44:34.240 --> 44:40.640]  I imagine you amplify it over your shops and then you've got the direct sales and you've
[44:40.640 --> 44:46.160]  got Wolfpack and you're just trying to constantly keep up with, can you keep the lights on?
[44:46.720 --> 44:48.960]  Because you have so many price fluctuations.
[44:48.960 --> 44:53.760]  We've been pretty lucky because the deals that I needed walked in when they do.
[44:54.480 --> 44:55.680]  Like, oh, I need the supply.
[44:55.680 --> 44:56.560]  I get the supply.
[44:58.320 --> 44:59.040]  We're okay.
[45:00.000 --> 45:00.480]  That's good.
[45:00.480 --> 45:02.240]  And I'm glad that we're built the way we...
[45:02.240 --> 45:03.760]  I'm glad I'm not over leveraged, David.
[45:03.760 --> 45:09.440]  I'm glad I had that instinct to go do things, hoard things or do things or
[45:10.000 --> 45:11.920]  become a different kind of type of company.
[45:13.200 --> 45:15.840]  I just know my limitations and what we were built to do.
[45:15.840 --> 45:22.640]  And Wisewolf was designed to be more closer to the earth to regular people.
[45:25.360 --> 45:27.600]  We're not going to be this giant conglomerate.
[45:27.600 --> 45:29.840]  I don't want that for my company.
[45:29.840 --> 45:33.280]  I think the size that we are is perfect to serve.
[45:33.280 --> 45:34.320]  We can serve nationally.
[45:34.320 --> 45:38.800]  We can serve locally and keep up with prices.
[45:38.800 --> 45:40.080]  And that's where we are right now.
[45:40.080 --> 45:42.560]  But yeah, it's been an interesting time.
[45:42.560 --> 45:44.080]  I look forward to our talks weekly.
[45:44.080 --> 45:46.160]  I want to make sure that we're doing this weekly again.
[45:46.160 --> 45:47.600]  I think it's good for both of us.
[45:47.600 --> 45:48.240]  So we just kind of...
[45:48.240 --> 45:51.280]  It's been great talking to you.
[45:51.280 --> 45:51.920]  Yeah.
[45:51.920 --> 45:55.360]  It's been a while and tomorrow we're going to have Gerald Slinty.
[45:55.360 --> 45:57.600]  It's been a while since we've talked to Gerald Slinty as well.
[45:57.600 --> 45:58.640]  He's going to be on with us tomorrow.
[45:58.640 --> 45:59.200]  Oh, good.
[45:59.200 --> 46:00.080]  I can't wait for that.
[46:00.080 --> 46:02.800]  We'll get his trends and predictions for 2026.
[46:04.480 --> 46:06.800]  We'll see which war he wants to focus on the most.
[46:06.800 --> 46:09.280]  He's got like a smorgasbord there.
[46:09.280 --> 46:11.120]  Every day is another war for Trump.
[46:11.120 --> 46:12.240]  It's crazy.
[46:12.240 --> 46:14.560]  But thank you so much, Tony, for coming on.
[46:14.560 --> 46:19.280]  And again, you can go to David Nighteye Gold and that will take you to Wisewolf Gold,
[46:19.280 --> 46:19.840]  Tony Hardeman.
[46:19.840 --> 46:21.440]  That'll let him know that you're coming from us.
[46:21.440 --> 46:23.360]  And so thank you, Tony, for what you do.
[46:23.360 --> 46:26.080]  It's been a great year this year.
[46:26.080 --> 46:29.920]  And I know that it's going to be a great year for gold and silver this next year as well.
[46:31.120 --> 46:36.000]  Again, when you look at, like you said, it's not going to be like 1980 because 1980,
[46:36.000 --> 46:41.040]  the price of gold and silver was really a response to the shock of inflation from OPEC.
[46:41.040 --> 46:44.480]  And once that tapered down and they got that under control,
[46:44.480 --> 46:46.080]  then gold and silver went back down.
[46:46.080 --> 46:50.480]  But when we look on the horizon, what we're seeing here with this is completely different.
[46:50.480 --> 46:52.720]  We have so many different trends.
[46:52.720 --> 46:53.840]  And they're not external.
[46:53.840 --> 46:54.560]  They're internal.
[46:55.200 --> 46:58.640]  And you got all of these different things coming together all at once.
[46:58.640 --> 47:00.720]  It really is like a perfect storm.
[47:00.720 --> 47:01.760]  It's like three storms.
[47:02.800 --> 47:03.920]  I guess that was one thing.
[47:03.920 --> 47:04.480]  What was it?
[47:04.480 --> 47:07.440]  The QAnon people, the storm is coming.
[47:07.440 --> 47:08.080]  Well, they're right.
[47:09.120 --> 47:10.720]  Not in the way that they meant it, though.
[47:11.520 --> 47:13.760]  But it is a storm that is coming.
[47:13.760 --> 47:19.120]  And it is a bipartisan storm that's been building up off the coast for a very long time
[47:19.120 --> 47:21.520]  and been building up in Washington for a very long time.
[47:21.520 --> 47:23.200]  So thank you again, Tony.
[47:23.200 --> 47:23.760]  Appreciate it.
[47:23.760 --> 47:24.400]  David Knight.
[47:24.400 --> 47:25.440]  Gold take you to Tony.
[47:25.440 --> 47:26.560]  Thank you, Tony.
[47:26.560 --> 47:28.640]  We're going to take a quick break, folks, and we'll be right back.
[47:39.440 --> 47:40.240]  The common man.
[47:43.520 --> 47:46.560]  They created common core that dumbed down our children.
[47:46.560 --> 47:49.760]  They created common past to track and control us.
[47:49.760 --> 47:56.080]  Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.
[47:57.600 --> 48:01.280]  They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary.
[48:02.240 --> 48:06.720]  But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
[48:08.960 --> 48:10.400]  That is what we have in common.
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[48:13.360 --> 48:17.760]  Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
[48:18.480 --> 48:23.040]  They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us.
[48:24.080 --> 48:27.760]  It's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide.
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